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shut upIn post 2584, Firebringer wrote:I would like you to lynch me, you being town in this scenario just baffles me.
VOTE: Fire
gonna leave that there since I still don't like fire-
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i didIn post 2737, Performer wrote:
Wait a sec. KTS how come you mentioned you shot Aris but you never mentioned anything about the other night where 2 scum died?In post 2732, Nero Cain wrote:
Yes, KTS is p much town. He's a claimed 2 shot vig and has killed a mafia, thus he's not mafia. Thought there were 3 kills night 3, so mafia shot, sk dhot and the vig kill?In post 2731, Something_Smart wrote:KTS is conftown, and at the time that Fire said that he WAS voting me.
However my point was that instead of voting KTS (who he believed was scum) he switched his vote to Dom instead.
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because youre a carrot that sucks at this gameIn post 2747, Firebringer wrote:There's so many slots I want to see dead, why wasn't I given a gun?-
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Someone let me know which day is the potential to hit MyLo or LyLo so I can plan accordingly.
Anyway, fuck this WIFOM bullshit. I'm done with this fucking stupid shit where I have to scumread town players and townread scummy players because of how they play. I'm turning this into blatant fucking black and white motherfucking shit. I'm not gonna let myself self destruct because end game, even with our scumreads on scum, we were still too fucking focused on other town to really care.
That means that you, Fire, have to fucking suck the shit up that you don't wanna play this game. I have no problems with you as a player, but I need players who are useful right now. I want to fucking play my hardest right now because while I have literally no fucks to give about losing, I want to play to my best. That way, I don't have to regret my actions when going into LyLo or MyLo. Do shit or replace out. If you wanna stay in the game but only whine about it and shit?
That said, SS and Rach are my heaviest townreads along with Performer. Rach especially after just finishing a game with her and knowing her towngame, so I'm fairly confident in that read. I'm gonna have to look at SS more, but they've fucking played townie. I don't care if I lose to them because they've played good, and they deserve a win. Town, frankly, does not deserve a win, but I don't give a single shit because I'm still gonna play good.
Alrighty, let's take a look at Hebi and her predecessors. Associatives are gonna be hard to find on these motherfuckers, but so far, the way I see it, Ozgin and Frag weren't heavily townreading each other. They were either townreading each other, or scumreading each other, but not pushing either of the reads,. Find associatives where they just come out with the read but don't push it. That's where you find scum.
Also, I'm gonna have to look at who DGB agreed with, and who they fucked with. See what correlations come of it.
Anyone want to do VCA for me? That'd be great.
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92nd post and he claimed, something I absolutely don't see scum doing. Rach has been playing her towngame, this slot is town. Don't care if we lose to them either. Not lynching this.In post 92, Ilikebugs wrote:Im a vanilla townie-
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FUCK.
I'm starting to doubt myself. Ilikebugs claimed VT right off the bat, but at the same time, his reads are utter trash. He townreads Drixx and Snarky which is pretty good, but he also strays with votes on Reubus and Irao which is terrible. He also townreads Fragger which is terrible. Gonna have to look more at Hebi then, but there's a specific post I don't like about Ilikebugs.-
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Ilikebugs did not vote on a single confirmed scum player in this game. He instead voted all proven town members. That makes me think he's scum. He also heavily buddies GuyFawkes and Fragger which is heavily suspicious. He also said that GuyFawkes was town by defending him from people who scumreading him, but he didn't actually say why he thought Guy was town, not just noticeably null.
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HuhIn post 2488, hebichan wrote:
I think both KTS and Kuroi are town after reading their ISOs, they both have honest reads on the game and they seem pretty have been fairly active. I think it's kinda silly they're voting on eachother here, frankly.In post 753, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Which is a...?In post 752, Ilikebugs wrote:he hasn't talked much about the game.
SCUMTELL
DBG on the other hand has been posting barely any content. I'm not gonna be posting a long quote take thing mostp laers do, because that isn't my style. But so far, My reads can be summarized as such.
Town: KTS, Kuroi, Egg
Scum: DGB
That's about what I have that I want to share right now. I want to hear from the other replacement too.
Why would you mention Egg who was killed Night 2? Anyway, all of the people she mentioned were town. All of them. Including her scumreads. No, no reads on actual potential scum at all. Why? That is suspicious as all hell, especially when Hebi was the one to vote Kuroi, knowing it would get them towncred from being able to successfully townread two controversial players and scumread a player who wasn't heavily townread by most and could be a mislynch.
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Fire and Hebi aren't the same alignment. This is a fact from this single post. SvS and TvT is simply not possible.In post 2491, hebichan wrote:I would honestly, I feel like he's whiteknighting Kuroi and it bothers me in his ISO. His snap vote on you seems a bit off too.
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Performer, also one of my top townreads. Interesting, right?
So where's your mention of GuyFawkes or Rach? Your predecessor mentioned them once as a townread for no real explicit reason. Weird.-
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LOL He's willing to vote his two town, voting actually one of his town, and he's setting up all mislynches.In post 2570, hebichan wrote:
Okay, I'm willing to go on a Kuroi vote, if kuroi townflips we lynch KTS, if he scum flips we lynch Firebringer, seems like a reasonable compromise, considering KTS was saying lynching Kuroi would validate him.In post 2560, Something_Smart wrote:Not today. Four isn't enough for a wagon, and it's been hard enough to gain votes on Kuroi. But I would lynch Fire tomorrow, especially if Kuroi flips scum because of the way he defended him.
Do you still think KTS and Kuroi are both town? Because I would heavily disagree with that.
VOTE: Kuroi
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YET YOU WERE WILLING TO LYNCH BOTH, WERE YOU NOT???In post 2632, hebichan wrote:Something Smart asked me if I thought both kuroi and KTS could both be town yesterday. With Kuroi flipping town, what is your opinion on that now SS?
I came in here and my first statement was I though kuroi and KTS were both town. Which seemed to be an unpopular opinion at the time.
KAAG and Hebi are also not the same alignment, so whoever replaced them is town since Hebi is scum. SS is confirmed town at this point in my eyes as they've been the towniest player so far, disregarding Performer.In post 2709, hebichan wrote:
This is a fair point, though. The interaction with me against fire also was a bit odd. Both him and SS seemed to have the same reaction. Honestly KAAG and SS scumming together makes a bunch of sense here.In post 2707, Performer wrote:@Fire Starting from Slandaar's 2697 into the next page with my case. Along with my posts from pgs 104-105 and , 1688 dead-man post and other posts about how ira scumread Frag & KAAG.
KAAG made a poor case against Drixx, Drixx voted KAAG because of it, and KAAG called it a "lame OMGUS" on d4.
VOTE: KAAG
All town, I'm presuming?In post 2779, hebichan wrote:top three town
kts, performer, slandaar
top three scum
SS, Firebringer, KAAG slot
THIS IS A MISLYNCHIn post 2804, hebichan wrote:VOTE: dominator
normally I would jump on fire for that, but I get the sentiment.
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LOL BUT YOU HAVEN'T A SINGLE CORRECT SCUMREAD?In post 2853, hebichan wrote:
As I said multiple times throughout, I don't like ILikeBugs reads in this game.In post 2851, Killthestory wrote:Performer, also one of my top townreads. Interesting, right?
So where's your mention of GuyFawkes or Rach? Your predecessor mentioned them once as a townread for no real explicit reason. Weird.
I don't know why my reads have been so good this game, they just have been. It's been making me frustrated.
Your townreads have been the only thing that's been correct. You know what kind of player does that? A scum player. I would know.-
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Yet each time you pushed your wagon, you inexplicably end up on a wagon that turns into a mislynch. Coincidence man? Also, hell, how the fuck do you know Fire is such scum, yet you haven't actually pushed the slot that hard. "Hey man, it's not like KTS didn't Kuroi," Easiest defense for pushing that mislynch, right?-
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Yeah, cool, play your AtE "I'm done with this game waaaaaaaa." Do I have to go get that image again? That defense is so old for scum and town. I wish people would just actually contribute instead of rolling over and saying, "Let me die!!1." Come on now, don't do that as any alignment pham.
Anyway, if your reads are so good, why don't you push them? Also, why are all of your reads that have been correct only been correct townreads? Isn't that too much of a koinkidink for town to be able to easily read all the town players, but they can't read scum? How is that not the scummiest thing you've ever heard?
You haven't pushed it hard enough l m a o. "Hey man, I'm willing to go on this wagon but I want Fire dead!" is you this entire game.-
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lol, you don't realize that scum coming into the game know who town is and they're clearly obvious town? That's basically your attitude right now.In post 2864, hebichan wrote:
I don't know how you fucking can't do it cause its been obvious for me since I joined who the fuck was town. I have no idea what even constitutes a coincidence here.In post 2863, Killthestory wrote:Yeah, cool, play your AtE "I'm done with this game waaaaaaaa." Do I have to go get that image again? That defense is so old for scum and town. I wish people would just actually contribute instead of rolling over and saying, "Let me die!!1." Come on now, don't do that as any alignment pham.
Anyway, if your reads are so good, why don't you push them? Also, why are all of your reads that have been correct only been correct townreads? Isn't that too much of a koinkidink for town to be able to easily read all the town players, but they can't read scum? How is that not the scummiest thing you've ever heard?
You haven't pushed it hard enough l m a o. "Hey man, I'm willing to go on this wagon but I want Fire dead!" is you this entire game.
I'm fucking new to the site, I thought my reads were bad, I don't know what the right way to push is. It might be scummy, IT MIGHT BE, but fucking give me a break, cause I am not scum, and all I am willing to take right now is a Firebringer lynch.
You didn't push because you thought you were bad? You realize that's worse than actively pushing your reads, right?
Same thingIn post 2865, hebichan wrote:
I'm also not saying let me die, I'm saying if I get close to lynched, I will lynch myself.In post 2863, Killthestory wrote:Yeah, cool, play your AtE "I'm done with this game waaaaaaaa." Do I have to go get that image again? That defense is so old for scum and town. I wish people would just actually contribute instead of rolling over and saying, "Let me die!!1." Come on now, don't do that as any alignment pham.
Anyway, if your reads are so good, why don't you push them? Also, why are all of your reads that have been correct only been correct townreads? Isn't that too much of a koinkidink for town to be able to easily read all the town players, but they can't read scum? How is that not the scummiest thing you've ever heard?
You haven't pushed it hard enough l m a o. "Hey man, I'm willing to go on this wagon but I want Fire dead!" is you this entire game.-
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pushing that fire slot man, I hope you feel happy.In post 687, GuyFawkes wrote:
VOTE: creatureIn post 468, Creature wrote:(watches scum pushing an easy mislynch)
saying scum is pushing a mislynch while you are at L-8 seems is garbage. that and the repeated deflections
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hm againIn post 985, GuyFawkes wrote:VOTE: fraggernaut
he was talking out both ends towards the end of Day 1
actually pretty townieIn post 988, GuyFawkes wrote:In post 803, Fraggernaut wrote:[float=][/float]
You would be okay vigging a PR? Something seems off about this.In post 801, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 776, Fraggernaut wrote:Still think iraonvp is the better lynch today but we can't risk a no lynch.
VOTE: Reubus Swagrid
We can vig him. I didn't like his gratuitous power role hint. He's scum, too.In post 810, Fraggernaut wrote:He meant to vig me from what I take from that , you're still scum iraonvp & probably should buss your partner for the town credit .In post 816, Fraggernaut wrote:Reread what Dripping said, and I get what they mean now. I would definitely be interested to see a vig shot on Iraonvp.
Would be a great shot.
Also no I never claimed PR. Dropping said they got a PR feel from your post, & I thought they were saying they thought you was a PR.
frag is inconsistent with his "misreading" of 801 particulary between 810 and 849In post 849, Fraggernaut wrote:Iraonvp I misread the post. I thought he was calling you a PR then in the same instance saying the vigi should have a shot on you. He wasn't saying that. There should be a vigi shot on you. Simple .
huhIn post 1048, GuyFawkes wrote:yeah frag is scum
whoaIn post 1138, GuyFawkes wrote:so drixx and firebringer are scumbuddies. good to know
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good reads so farIn post 2053, RachMarie wrote:Still reading some points though quickly from D 1
bug dude is clearly a noob, most likely town. Even a newbscum would have hemmed a bit not come right out with VT like that, BTW bug DONT do that again. Only claim if you are about to be lynched, or in the case of a mass claim.
Need more from Slan so far hes not given me much to peg him.
Even in theory you do not suggest NL on D1
That being said, ira is probably town, annoying, but town. I can't see someone voting NL like that with at least a couple peeps yelling we have to have a lynch on D1.
Moving along more later now back to reading up on D 2
still goodIn post 2059, RachMarie wrote:Still early on page 2 but why are we giving Oz dude a pass? Well other than Slan that is, feeling better about Slan going in the town pile now that I see a bit more from him.
i like rach a lot moreIn post 2062, RachMarie wrote:D 2 read up
Sorry you are so sick Oz Hope you feel better soon, still feel your slot is scum though.
what on earth was that crazy claim by snarky? I can see why he got hammered after that.
@Kill doing short catchups as I go along so that its not one huge ass wall,
s t i l l p goodIn post 2064, RachMarie wrote:Slan, Kill, bug, SS are in my town pile,
Frag too based on the claim,
Ira, Oz, in my scum pile,
Still sorting everyone else out for now.
still good shitIn post 2662, RachMarie wrote:Still feel Slan is town
Kill is probably town
DGB is probably town
Been ISOing Frag and Ozgin and trying to figure out who their other scum budz are.
at this point Rach is actually more town and I won't be mad if I lose to them. They can go in my town as fuck pile then-
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try to do something more productive then, like, oh i dont know, anything else?In post 2871, hebichan wrote:
I don't really have anything left.In post 2870, Killthestory wrote:hebi is doing more of that AtE shit and rolling over and dying and screaming their reads are correct and shit.
guyfawkes slot was p town, time to ISO rach
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WAIT A SECONDIn post 1250, Slandaar wrote:That said, I don't particularly like your lynch anymore, everyone should just sheep me and lynch Aristo.-
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be useful to me or I'll end your life.In post 2876, Nero Cain wrote:awesome. Its not like folks not lining my reads have stopped them from flipping scum.
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I really, really like this post.In post 2787, Slandaar wrote:
I was joking about 'must be scum'. I do think the slot has a good chance of scum though based on the reasoning in 2309 (if you actually go and reread the part of the game I am talking about you will see what I mean).In post 2781, RachMarie wrote:not as sold as DGB and slan on the revolving door slot that is now dominator
I also don't see many slots left who have potential to be scum.
4. Killthestory - No
7. Performer - No
9. hebichan - Possible but Nah
11. Firebringer - Really Don't think so
12. RachMarie - Really Don't think so
15. Slandaar -
16. Reverie - Probable
18. DrippingGoofball - Really Don't think so
19. KickAssAndGiggle - Probable
21. Something_Smart - Possible but Don't think so
I like the Dominator wagon.
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I didn't think massclaim was optimal earlier in the day with just KTS claimed but it depends on you, Performer, I don't think it can be bad either so eh.-
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Performer is town.
Nero's pushing inconsistent shit. I don't like it a single bit, and I think he's got a lot of potential to be scum. Plus, Fire's reads have actually been really good this game, and I'm willing to say he can go 3/4.
Also, Hebi, if Kuroi was so obvtown, Fire should be a goldmine for you. Labeled two different scum, and the other two have the potential to be scum.-
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Town
Also votes townIn post 51, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:
How else would you get the game started?Why would you vote in your first post without seeing anything scummy?
VOTE: Killthestory
See? It's fun!
Also another vote on townIn post 118, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:
Feel free to make it KAAG, save the old keyboard.In post 66, Egg wrote:Kickandgiggle, what do you think about jam and the wagon on him?
Someone's gotta get wagoned early, may as well have been him. But Ness is now scumming the place up, so we need a new one.
BZZZZ. Wrong.In post 117, N e s s wrote:Also before I forget this doesn't seem to be serving much of any purpose at the moment.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: N e s s
No scum scumread, all confirmed town at this point in the game.In post 272, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:Town-leans: GR, Killthestory, Egg, SS
Scum-leans: Ness/Reubus (for now)
Slight scum-reads: Jam
Too many nulls, get involved! Kop, Ilikebugs and Snarky in particular.
Leave me aside: what's wrong with GR? He posts what he likes...seems towny to me.In post 271, pisskop wrote: Slight scumread for GR, and KA&G
Still hasn't even scumread scum, much less voted on them.In post 425, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:Still feeling pretty good about GR, Killthestory, Egg, SS for town. Although GR could do with pulling his head out of his ass.
Iraonavp is probably town too. And Slandaar.
Still leaning scum on Ness/Reubus slot and Jam. Starting to feel bad vibes from Creature, why are you ignoring Egg's question?
pisskop and Fraggernaut are both null despite posting plenty: I have no clue how to read either of them. SirCakez looks exactly as he did last time I played with him (Open 623), when I thought he was scum but he was actually town. Jury's out there. Performer sounds straightforward but I disagree with some of his posts (i.e. post 292, 298).
Other slots null due to lack of content.
UNVOTE: Reubus
VOTE: Creature
Feels useful.
Another vote on townIn post 542, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:
I voted Creature for dodging Egg's question, but I kinda liked his response to me, so...In post 533, Reubus Swagrid wrote:I don't even understand what Ness was trying to accomplish.
A few things I would like some clarity on
I don't understand the Jam wagon or the Creature wagon
Robster doesn't seem scummy to me, he doesn't exactly seem to have any scum merit behind his posting
Creature why are you voting Drixx exactly?
UNVOTE: Creature
Ness was nailed on scum as far as I was concerned, and if you're not going to catch up a mere 21 pages (of mainly short posts) properly, then:
VOTE: Reubus
It took a lot of posts JUST FOR YOU TO SCUMREAD ONE SCUM. That's very sad, and you have not voted scum as of yet. Only confirmed town.In post 667, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:
I think you're town iraonavp, but I thought the Ness slot was scum and I don't like the way Reubus has replaced in but done nothing. So what don't you like about that wagon?In post 663, iraonavp wrote:Unfortunately, I do not endorse any of the wagons on Reubus Swagrid, Creature, or I.
Drixx
Since you entered, I see exactly one post that has even an arguable piece of scum-hunting in it (435). Everything else is fluff or defensive. You can add me to the list of people who suspect you. Are you ready to commit to some reads yet?
Fragger
I agree with Egg: a loaded question is nothing to fear if you're town. I can't point to anything specifically you've posted that's scummy but I don't get good vibes from your posts.
Town Leans
Something_Smart, Slandaar, iraonavp, DGB, Performer, Egg, Killthestory, SirCakez
Suspicious
Creature, Jam, ilikebugs, Fragger
Scum Leans
Reubus, Drixx
If you're not listed, I either can't work you out or you've lurked.
Doesn't heavily push Fragger, pushes Ozgin as barely town. This is the type of shit I was looking for, very scummy interactions. Still votes on potential town rather than confirmed, but I find it funny that no confirmed scum have been voted on yet.In post 1016, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:There's likely one scum in {Drixx, Firebringer}. Neither have provided any reason for voting Guy, who is null as null can be apart from the hammer, both fluff posted their way through D1 and both, but Firebringer especially, replaced suspicious slots.
Considering the slow pace of D1...let's get this rolling:
VOTE: Firebringer
Aristophanes replaced a lurker and then contributed nothing but filler also. Need to see a lot more from that slot today.
I understand the misreading by Fraggernaut in his interactions between himself and iraonavp, and see how that could have happened. But Fraggernaut has been overly defensive, especially when talking to Slandaar, who along with Egg and Something_Smart are my strongest town reads. He could be scum.
Boonskies, jam and ilikebugs have contributed little. Could be scum in that trio also. Snarky also could do more but I get a whiff of town there.
Performer, DGB, Killthestory, Ozgin and iraonavp are fence-town for now.
PEdit: yeah, Performer is using the Gambler's Fallacy on Firebringer, but there's enough signs that he could be scum that it's unnecessary to do so.-
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Because I'm probably right on about 90% of my reads, if not 100%, and my read have the potential to progress.In post 2886, Nero Cain wrote:god you are so full of yourself.
Very comfortable with a VOTE: Nero Cain vote since I read only a couple of KAAG's posts and it screamed out scum the entire time. Time to ISO Cain a little and see their reads coming in.-
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Nero, not much to talk about, slightly scumreads Hebi, could be bussing, could just be legitimate scumreading him, could be pushing a mislynch, leaning bussing. However, Fire and Nero are also not of the same alignment. Hebi and Nero have the chance to be the same alignment, fairly high.
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