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See, if Dourgrimdidhave prior knowledge of Herbert's absence...chances are that he's in a group (either mafia OR mason) with Herbert, right? And why ohwhywould he want to start a bandwagon on a player with whom he's affiliated?Especiallyone who's not going to be around to defend himself? Answer: he wouldn't...so chances are better that he didn't have prior knowledge of HW's absence & your FOS is even sillier than I first thought (as I was thinking it could have been due to you not realizing the order of the posts).Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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Oh, I don't know. Maybe we should encourage him to be more forthcoming?Internet Stranger wrote:BananaBob wont talk, so now what?
This is rather jumping the gun as only one other person so far had commented on his reply and it madePopsicleStix wrote:Well since everyone isn't going to think that BananaBob is scum and they aren't voting for him...methink he has something to hide. He's pretty much confirmed that the newspaper story is accurate enough by not bothering to correct it -- but he told us nothing we didn't already know. I mean, really... "what do you usually do when you lurk"?? I can think of anumberof things and not all of them are pro-town.
If he's good -- well, that sucks but he's out now and he'll probably be a target so he should at least let us know what he knows...at the very least, it might help us interpret any future newspaper stories. If he isscum, he's attempted a pretty simple dodge, but I don't think we should just let him be.
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All of Internet Stranger's posts so far have been rather nutty. No votes -- no accusations -- just kind of accepting whatever's said last...for IS, that's overly genial. Where's the Paragon of Mafia Hunters that I knew and loved?
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OK - this isYoko Kurama wrote: the reason for killing he basically revealed his role big no no and when I say I'll kill you if you do something wrong I will kill you[/i].PopsicleStix-(Fool)is dead!!!*
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I don't understand the "skipping scums' turns" thing, Fish.
Gnome's suggestion made sense to me...usually the worst that happens during a day is the loss of one pro-town role and the best is the loss of one scum role -- the worst has already happened. Why chance compounding the loss?
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Your chances of what, exactly, are slim? Seeing things? Seeing things accurately? Seeing something that would make staying up all night worthwhile?
In my opinion, the best night to have tried out your ability, if you're telling the truth, was night one. You're new enough that you probably wouldn't have been a target of role blockers/scum and I'm rather surprised that you chose to stay home just so you can vote today --especiallywhen you don't seem all that keen to actually place one. One more thing keeping me from getting completely on board with your story is that, in my experience, newer players are usually pretty eager to try out any ability they've been given. That you'd rather snooze than sightsee just doesn't ring true.
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Both knife attacks should be attributed to the hands of the psychos.
Night 1, we had a bullet to the head, a shot to death and a knife attack. Logically, the knife attack had to be perpetrated by Nanook (he was shot to death, so that's not his kill style; and gunshot to the head showed up again tonight, so that's probably not him either). Since another psychopath (Quailman) was caught in the act of stabbing, it stands to reason that the psychopaths are/were either a group or an original and back-up.
Since Yoko never called either Nanook or Quailman serial killers, I find it quite interesting that SinisterOverlord would tag them as such and say that we can expect only one kill nightly from here on out. He is either 1) a sunny optimist, 2) eager to jump to dangerous conclusions, 3) holding no faith in the abilities of our doctors/blockers, or 4) deliberately trying to make this place seem not so dangerous.
I'm betting on the fourth.
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My votes have been logical, JDTAY. Yesterdayyoudidn't make sense early on (which you've admitted)...and then I caught dragonmaster in a very unbelievable story (and the his death scene proves the fact that I was thinking clearly and he was stupidly lying and is responsible for his own death). And if the fact that my votes have had sound reasoning behind them isn't enough to convince you, how about the fact that BananaBob hasclearedme? Or does that not matter either? You need to start thinking and stop retaliating, JDTAY. Because I'm going to assume that someone checked you, I'm not going to revote you today unless a cop says we should.
I'm not sure how on earth you came to the conclusion that "everyone did assume" that we have two SKs dead when only five people had posted before you...but it's NOT logical, as you claim, as it's rather impossible. Since you apparently didn't follow it before, I'll try to explain more clearly why I'm currently voting for SinisterOverloard...
--Quailman, a psycho, attacked with a knife.
--Nanook, a psycho, either attacked with a knife or with a bullet to the head.Both "bullet to the head" and "knife" showed up again last night, so if Nanook was just a SK, he'd have been the "shot to death" killer -- but as hehimselfwas shot to death, he's not, which implies that he used a knife...just like Quail...which, in turn, implies they may have been together.
--Nowherehas Yoko called either psychopath a "serial killer." For SinisterOverlord to suggest that we can rest a bit easier because we've gotten rid of two separate killers with this kind of evidence against it is dangerous and/or sloppy.Mytheory of either a psycho group or psycho with back-up is the more plausible one.
I think that, at best, we may have taken care of the knifers. I think we still have the bullet-to-the-head & shot-to-death killers to contend with. Perhaps I'll change my vote from SO, I don't know yet. Touting a wrong theory doesn'tguaranteescumminess....but when it's a theory that could hurt the town by causing us to drop our guard, it's a decent place to start.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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Really, I think that everyone should be looking at everything in this game. If we ignoreJDTAY wrote:Really, I don't think anyone would've noticed the continuity of night killing styles unless they were looking for it. BananaBob did say he only got "gangster/not gangster" results. Tell me MeMe, are you the third killing party?anyevidence, we're just playing idiotically. So, you think it's suspicious to look for clues and to use reason to figure out what's crap and what isn't? Um...yeah. Ask around. I'm smart & I'm thorough. And about BB's results: you're right.
You're correct that he could have been jumping to a conclusion there when he translated his result as "innocent" -- dm'll have to tell us one way or the other...perhaps "gangster" is Yoko's generic "guilty" in this game.Banana Bob wrote:I investigated MeMe last night and got non-ganster (ie innocent)
You tellme, JDTAY -- do you really think that my actions have been dangerous? Do you really think I'm a third-killing party? Will a "no I'm not" convince you I'm not? There is nothing real for which I can be faulted. As the thread bears out, my two votes yesterday were well-reasoned ones --youeven ended up voting for dragonmaster yesterday so I don't know what your beef is.
It's obvious to me that your "I don't care" attitude has everything to do with frustration -- and nothing at all to do with reason. Sorry if I've pissed/am pissing/will in future piss you off, but you need to look at the facts, not at who's making you mad.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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Well, as I was reading along I was planning to unvote you because you seemed reasonable -- neither overly defensive nor feeling the need to stick by the statement put forth in your earlier post -- butthenI came to your last paragraph which completely negates everything that came before.
You've read the role page, so you know that "serial killer" is the tag given to independent killers (i.e, those not in a group)...you also said in your earlier post that we can probably only expect one kill per night from now on, further showing that you did indeed consider them to be working individually. So, what's up with trying to pretend -- in the last sentence above -- that you implied "nothing further"?
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BananaBob - please clear up the question on whether you can "only" detect gangsters/non-gangsters or if your results are for generic innocence/guilt.
Personally,Iwant to hear from massive & Herbert West -- they've had only one post each so far this game. Wereallyneed to slow down the bandwagon -- JDTAY's picked up five quick votes (if my count's correct), only three from a lynch.
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BB - if your role PM specified gangster/non-gangster as your results, then I think it's quite clear that you're not a full cop. I mean, if you'd checked Nanook or Quailman you would have probably received "non-gangster" as a result because they weren't gangsters, they were psychopaths. I think probably the "bullet to the head" killer(s) would be the gangster(s). So, whoever you checked last night & myself should not be fully cleared except of one type of killing.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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NO MORE VOTES ON JDTAY NOW. He's just one away.
Let's have a little poll. Who thinks that if a cop has an innocent result on JD it's worth coming forward to clear him? Or should a cop in this position just let him be lynched because it's not a good enough trade-off to save JD and become exposed him/herself?
My opinion on this is that if JD can't be bothered to try to save himself, I don't think a cop in this position should have to do itforhim. But please, let's not end the day before talking about this first.
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And that'ssansteehee. By now you should have some leads or opinions so that you can stop your whining about how everyone else is playing. Your posts seem to be variations on the same "well, how can I be awesome if MeMe won't shut up and no one else willspeakup?" Sounds like an excuse not to add contentyourself, to me.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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JD - has it escaped your attention that I'm one of the few who actually is trying to stop the lynch on you? And that no one is voting me except you? And that several have come down on your head for how stupid your points against me have been? Has it also escaped your attention that I'm at least 33% less likely than someone not cleared by BB to be scum? And that you could be asking a power role to claim because your pride has been hurt?
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Oh, and if this is true then it means that the psychos must have been able to switch weapons...it's the only way it works.
Nanook knifed Cubs Night 1
Quail shot to death Nanook Night 1
? put a bullet in Cadmium's head Night 1
Quail knifed Otaku Night 2
? put a bullet in Quail's head Night 2
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It always hurts the town when we assume less threat than there is and, from the in-thread evidence, the logical conclusion was that there were still two killing groups left (2 dead bad guys...both with same name...both killing with a knife...). Remember -- your role gave youJDTAY wrote:I still don't see how you could go after SinisterOverlord. He couldn't possibly be misleading us, because his assumption doesn't benefit or hurt anyone.extra informationwhich I didn't have. To jump to a "only one killer/group left" assumption without that information is illogical. Forget what you've been told because of your role and consider my earlier post about why SO's conclusion didn't seem right. Be fair about this, JDTAY.
How? By being more careful? It's always better not to assume we have wiggle-room and lynches to "give" but to try every day to nail scum.JDTAY wrote: Your assumptions, on the other hand, have the potential to hurt the town.
And as long as you're still voting me, you have no room to point your finger at me and call my conclusions wrong. You should have known, according to your claim, that your vote on me made no sense. If there areonlygangsters left...and I'm not one of them....well...could someone else explain this to JD? He doesn't trust me.
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JDTAY has claimed an information role. In light of his claim, his suspicion of my vote for SO makes some sense (since he knew that SO's conclusion was on target and I was attacking him for it).Jolle wrote:
Why is that?Meme wrote:And I view with suspicion anyone who logs on today, reads this thread, and doesn't unvote JDTAY immediately.Remember...It's not a lie if you believe it. -- G. Costanza-
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No way. There wasFuldu wrote:Deadline lynch, I would presume. I don't see where Yoko specifically said half of half for deadline lynch, but it's pretty standard procedure.nodeadline in place. Someone forced day to end -- I expect it had something to do with the "Red Bull" Yoko put in the end of day scene.
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Fishbulb...although it's true that IS may not actually have the ability to kill, Yoko's opening scene (the miracle line) makes it sound as though BBshouldhave died. Also,ISseems to think that he kills...
...so, if he actuallyInternetStranger wrote:Basically if a cop or a doctor were to investigate me at night, I would go crazy and kill them.doesn'tkill, that won't help me trust him -- it would just be a secret role mechanic.
I've got a couple of things to say about this. We don't actually *know* what he does. We simply know what he *says* he does.Fishbulb wrote:Obviously, it is kinda dangerous to leave someone admittedly violent in our midsts, but now we know what he does, and maybe we can work around him.
And as for being admittedly violent...well, seems as though the "admittedly" wasn't part of IS's plan -- he kept it under wraps for two full days. He also said in his claim that heknewhe was going to be investigated.
Basically, if he's telling the truth -- his actions can be read as, "Even though I was pretty sure I'd be killing a cop, I didn't bother to warn anyone." What townie would consider a live paranoid schizophrenic who shoots cops and doctors (but not mafia??) as more valuable than aInternetStranger wrote:I was afraid of this actually. I KNEW that I would be investigated. But telling everyone, "hey dumbasses, dont investigate me please" was just going to throw every spider sense in this game off the scale and draw even more attention my way.cop? I mean, I know he's narcissistic, but that's waaaaayyyy over the top. Even if IS thought a warning would result in a bandwagon on him, he had no right to keep his role (if true) under wraps. It should have been the cop's (and town's) decision whether or not to risk valuable roles on him.
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And another thing -- in your claim post you didn't say "I was under a gag order," you said that saying anything would draw too much attention your way. Which is it?
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Now you're floating the theory that maybeyoudidn't shoot him but the mafia did? Even though you've said that your role would shoot an investigator checking you? And how can a schizo be 100% sure he's not an SK? You know that schizophrenic = delusional, right?
And one more reason I can't believe you -- as BB pointed out, you say that your goal is to get well. Seems to me that your particular claimed ailment would be best treated by a psychiatrist...but JDTAY had morphed into a regular doc because all his potential patients were dead...
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