Mafia 70: Traditional - Game over!

JDodge · Post Post #230 (isolation #0) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:42 pm

Have I ever mentioned that I hate the newbie excuse, especially how it's employed here:

hmrox wrote:I'm not bucking at pressure because I'm just a newbie at this game because I made a stupid mistake in voting...

I cut out the last part for length purposes.

NICE STEALTH BANDWAGON-ENDING, LEMMING!

The way hm and Lemming are pushing on each other, I don't think they could be scum together. I don't think it likely either are scum. I get the complete opposite vibe from zone(f)ace and Simenon. I think they're likely distancing scum.

I've only read through the first 5 pages so far, so that's all I've got for now.

JDodge · Post Post #242 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:49 pm

Get a real bad feeling about Carrotcake and Flare. Don't understand why, just have a bad gut feeling about it.

I think most definitely one of Sim/Niv is lying somewhere.

I am now starting to see a case on Lemming.

I'm getting townish vibes from Ether.

For now, I'm going to

vote: Flare

.

JDodge · Post Post #244 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:03 pm

Unvote, vote: Flare

JDodge · Post Post #338 (isolation #3) » Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:17 am

Do any of you people on the ZONEACE wagon even have half a brain in your cavernous skulls? Seriously.

Flare, Yamahako and TS are much better lynches.

JDodge · Post Post #347 (isolation #4) » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:00 am

Oh the irony

JDodge · Post Post #388 (isolation #5) » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:57 am

Zeppo wrote:Any reasons?

Why do you need reasons?

JDodge · Post Post #391 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:01 am

Sir Tornado wrote:
JDodge wrote:
Zeppo wrote:Any reasons?
Why do you need reasons?
Do you not need reasons?

Here's a song lyric that describes my feelings on the matter rather well.

Depeche Mode wrote:Words like violence / Break the silence
Come crashing in / Into my little world
Painful to me / Pierce right through me
Can't you understand / Oh my little girl

All I ever wanted / All I ever needed
Is here in my arms
Words are very unnecessary / They can only do harm

Vows are spoken / To be broken
Feelings are intense / Words are trivial
Pleasures remain / So does the pain
Words are meaningless / And forgettable

JDodge · Post Post #396 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:51 am

Flare wrote:ALT'S ARE IMMORAL.

Also why was the word reason repeated like nine times.

You're immoral.

JDodge · Post Post #414 (isolation #8) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:43 pm

ZONEACE wrote:
White wrote:Ok, just quick thoughts.

Zoneace, absolutely terrible player.

oh eat me you asshole, this is the FIRST GAME you've ever played with me, so spare me the braod sweeping judgements of my character. Unless you're a god damned betazoid you can kiss my ass. Not to mention you've been here for like 2 months, so excuse me if i think you aren't the best judge whats good and bad.

MoS is acting weird but i've got no read on him.
NO MoS is acting like someone who knows what he's talking about because he actually has some experience with me.

This post is so full of win and correctness that I had to quote it just to highlight its awesomeness

JDodge · Post Post #422 (isolation #9) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:34 pm

Unvote, vote: White

I dun like the "I'M NOT VOTING OR FOSING I'M NOT PRESSURING" ARGUMENT

JDodge · Post Post #468 (isolation #10) » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:13 am

Don't use Bad Idea (either one) to judge anyone's playstyle. Seriously.

JDodge · Post Post #531 (isolation #11) » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:28 pm

WILL YOU PEOPLE STOP ARGUING ALREADY.

THIS IS POINTLESS AND IRRELEVANT TO LYNCHING WHITEY.

JDodge · Post Post #547 (isolation #12) » Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:18 pm

White wrote:Jdodge, can I hear a case against me? Do you have a case against me?

No to the first, yes to the second

JDodge · Post Post #588 (isolation #13) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:55 am

White wrote:
Jdodge
: I'm tired of his lurking and until he presents a case i'm just going to try and ignore his useless vote. I think he can contribute a lot if he wants to but he's not, which bugs me. Not scum hunting is scummy.

Not presenting a case =/= not scum hunting

You

think

I can contribute a lot. You don't

know

, which makes that at most a baseless and needless assumption.

I'm not lurking. I'm choosing not to post unless I feel I have something worth saying. I'm not going to join in FlameFest '07 just to not be perceived as "lurking".

JDodge · Post Post #591 (isolation #14) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:12 am

White wrote:I still feel you're lurking.

Notice, I didn't say you were scummy for not presenting a case. I said you were scummy for not scum hunting. I said i'm tired of you lurking and unitl you present a case i'm going to ignore your useless vote.

But your point is that presenting a case is a part of scumhunting, correct? If so, then my previous point still stands; not presenting a case =/= not scumhunting.

Your attempts to will away my case by saying I don't have one are noted.

JDodge · Post Post #593 (isolation #15) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:18 am

White wrote:A case that isn't utilized or presented as not going to get my lynched. I take it your goal is to get my lynched. Not presenting a case against me is not a successful way to get someone lynched.

You assume too much

White wrote:Presenting cases are part of scum hunting yet, but you should know better than to assume that's all there is to it. The thing is, I don't see you presenting a case for anyone.

And what should that tell you?

JDodge · Post Post #597 (isolation #16) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:53 am

White wrote:^^^Unneccesary.

Jdodge wrote:And what should that tell you?
You don't care about the game?

I see; so you feel that I am lurking intentionally and not giving a case because I don't care about the game, correct?

JDodge · Post Post #633 (isolation #17) » Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:58 am

Yep, there are definitely 5 scum who all decided "Let's lynch Whitey!". You caught us. And we were doing so well, too.

But seriously, do you really think that there are 5 scum pushing for your lynch? And are you really dumb enough to think that no case = scummy?

JDodge · Post Post #664 (isolation #18) » Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:13 am

OOOOOH LET'S ALL POST BIG LONG POSTS PARROTING EACH OTHER, THAT'S HELPFUL

JDodge · Post Post #777 (isolation #19) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:23 am

White needs 7 more votes ATM

JDodge · Post Post #779 (isolation #20) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:07 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why is white scum again?

Why isn't White scum?

JDodge · Post Post #788 (isolation #21) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:54 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:
JDodge wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why is white scum again?
Why isn't White scum?
That's just
argumentum ad ignorantiam
. Nice try, though.

Actually it's more

argumentum ad ignoring your question

, but that's besides the point.

Now allow me to apply a bit of

ipsedixitism

and say "trust me on this one". I will probably be repeating this

ad nauseam

, so I would recommend that you get used to it.

I can quote fancy words in italics too

JDodge · Post Post #791 (isolation #22) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:35 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:
JDodge wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:
JDodge wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why is white scum again?
Why isn't White scum?
That's just
argumentum ad ignorantiam
. Nice try, though.
Actually it's more
argumentum ad ignoring your question
, but that's besides the point.

Now allow me to apply a bit of
ipsedixitism
and say "trust me on this one". I will probably be repeating this
ad nauseam
, so I would recommend that you get used to it.

I can quote fancy words in italics too
Pfft. Doesn't change the fact that your response was a blatant fallacy and that you are avoiding actually giving a case against White.

Ad hominem tu quoque

.

JDodge · Post Post #795 (isolation #23) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:08 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:
JDodge wrote:
Ad hominem tu quoque
.

Ignoratio elenchi to quoque

Gesundheit

JDodge · Post Post #890 (isolation #24) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:32 pm

Unvote vote TS

thats -2

JDodge · Post Post #892 (isolation #25) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:30 pm

Unvote, vote White

Back to business as usual

JDodge · Post Post #983 (isolation #26) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:26 am

Lemming1607 wrote:I'm going to be messaging the mod that we forcibly remove MoS from the game his style of gameplay is completely getting out of hand and there's no reason for him to be getting all pissed off when he should step outside breath some air and realize I was using logic in my arguments.

You can agree or disagree with my arguments but its uncalled for to call someone stupid for it.

So I request everyone else please message the mod in suit and have MoS replaced

Mod

: In accordance with this, please replace Lemming. Thank you.

See, I'm not scared to do so in public as opposed to whining behind people's backs.

JDodge · Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:43 pm

Unvote, vote: Zeppo

JDodge · Post Post #1067 (isolation #28) » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:47 pm

It's PERSON Q

personally i feel the whole person c is scummy thing to be crap

JDodge · Post Post #1069 (isolation #29) » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:48 pm

Simenon wrote:HI JDODGE

<3

HI SIM

JDodge · Post Post #1089 (isolation #30) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:40 am

Sir Tornado wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:
Sir Tornado wrote:
Beastly wrote: Zorg had some heat, dissapeared, re-appeared posted the above and has since dissapeared again. For what it's worth he still looks the scummiest to me.
While I agree this behaviour is scummy, it should be noted that...

Beastly wrote:Sir Tornado wants to apply pressure to the lurkers, now from my understanding this would be an easy case for scum to go after people, picking on the lurkers, something to look for. Especially those after me haha.

Beastly wrote:Tornado it is again in 312 pushing for the lurkers, again I see this as somewhat a mafia ploy, yes it could be seen pro-town but it could also be looking to shift the scum attack in a different direction.
Irrelevant. You're comparing apples to oranges.
It would be actually great if you stopped talking in metaphors.

But this is a crisis. A large crisis. In fact, if you've got a moment, it's a twelve-story crisis with a magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24-hour porterage and an enormous sign on the roof saying 'This Is a Large Crisis.'

Bonus points to whomever gets the reference first.

JDodge · Post Post #1093 (isolation #31) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:34 am

Sir Tornado wrote:
JDodge wrote:
Sir Tornado wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:
Sir Tornado wrote:
Beastly wrote: Zorg had some heat, dissapeared, re-appeared posted the above and has since dissapeared again. For what it's worth he still looks the scummiest to me.
While I agree this behaviour is scummy, it should be noted that...

Beastly wrote:Sir Tornado wants to apply pressure to the lurkers, now from my understanding this would be an easy case for scum to go after people, picking on the lurkers, something to look for. Especially those after me haha.

Beastly wrote:Tornado it is again in 312 pushing for the lurkers, again I see this as somewhat a mafia ploy, yes it could be seen pro-town but it could also be looking to shift the scum attack in a different direction.
Irrelevant. You're comparing apples to oranges.
It would be actually great if you stopped talking in metaphors.
But this is a crisis. A large crisis. In fact, if you've got a moment, it's a twelve-story crisis with a magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24-hour porterage and an enormous sign on the roof saying 'This Is a Large Crisis.'

Bonus points to whomever gets the reference first.
Shut up JDodge. Go back to your lurking.

Look at me I'm a helpful contributor

JDodge · Post Post #1394 (isolation #32) » Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:12 am

Sir Tornado wrote:Setael... You are dead.

BM. Did you miss ZONEACE directing the Doc
last night
? Didn't hear anything on that from you... What MoS said was much less directive than ZONEACE. K-scope tried to direct the vig at the end of day 1 too. No comment on that from you either. And, remind me why directing power roles is bad too.

Ether, what exactly do you find scummy in my post?

JDodge · Post Post #1427 (isolation #33) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:03 am

The MoSwagon is terrible; Bookitty is scum

Vote: Bookitty

That is all

JDodge · Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:36 am

Sir Tornado wrote:JDodge, did you actually have a case against White on day 1 or were you just bluffing?

vote MoS

I had a case. Not relevant enough for me to post

JDodge · Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:41 am

I mean it's not relevant now, Sir T, seeing as White is sort of dead.

JDodge · Post Post #1470 (isolation #36) » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:14 pm

Bookitty wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:AIt's in the town's interest,
regardless of my own alignment
, to not lynch ZONEACE just based upon his playstyle. Why is it bad for the town that I am willing to do something helpful for the town regardless of my own alignment?
So you often act on behalf of the town when you're playing scum? Are your scumbuddies aware of this propensity on your part? Do you occasionally just give the game to town, out of altruism, in these cases?

I agree. This sort of unwavering defense of ZONEFACE - in this case - is cheating by bringing outside influences into the game.

JDodge · Post Post #1473 (isolation #37) » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:17 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:
JDodge wrote:I agree. This sort of unwavering defense of ZONEFACE - in this case - is cheating by bringing outside influences into the game.
Metagaming is not cheating.

it is when you admit that you'll defend him regardless of alignment, which is contradictory to the one that says you should play to win

JDodge · Post Post #1477 (isolation #38) » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:44 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:
JDodge wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:
JDodge wrote:I agree. This sort of unwavering defense of ZONEFACE - in this case - is cheating by bringing outside influences into the game.
Metagaming is not cheating.
it is when you admit that you'll defend him regardless of alignment, which is contradictory to the one that says you should play to win
It's not contradictory in any way, whatsoever.

cheater cheater cheater

JDodge · Post Post #1483 (isolation #39) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:40 pm

Hrmm.

Vote: Flare

Flare needs pressure and is scum, both of which are good reasons for the BM and MoS wagons to cease whilst we actually go after scum.

Yamahako and Bookitty votes are fine, though.

JDodge · Post Post #1493 (isolation #40) » Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:25 pm

Erg0 wrote:Interesting theory.

I think it would be good if those not voting BM told us why that is the case.

I think it would be good if those voting BM and not Flare, Bookitty or Yamahako told us why that is the case

JDodge · Post Post #1513 (isolation #41) » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:44 am

Aimee wrote:
Vote: Battle Mage

(can you show me the post when MoS was rolefishing, by the way)

Zorg was horribly scummy, and this is the best wagon at the moment.

No, not best wagon

Flare or Bookitty or Yamahako = best wagon

Have you even read the game?

JDodge · Post Post #1559 (isolation #42) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:41 am

Unvote, vote: Yamahako

JDodge · Post Post #1603 (isolation #43) » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:41 am

Simenon wrote:I can't be the only one bored with this game.

don't worry, you aren't

JDodge · Post Post #1682 (isolation #44) » Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:13 pm

Vote: Setael

JDodge · Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:48 pm

BM, please read the thread

thanks

JDodge · Post Post #1803 (isolation #46) » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:04 am

Setael-Bookie-MoS is looking more and more like a likely scumgroup

JDodge · Post Post #1815 (isolation #47) » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:51 am

ZONEACE wrote:
Korejora wrote: 11) ZONEACE.... I am of the opinion that he got the doctor killed, which makes me ponder whether it was on purpose or not.

Excuse me??? you wanna run that one past me again? I GOT THE DOCTOR KILLED???

NEEDS MORE QUESTION MARKS

???????????????????????????????????????????????????

JDodge · Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:04 am

Mod:

Please replace ZONEFACE and BM for out-of-game communication. Thanks.

JDodge · Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:51 pm

Bookitty wrote:I can't answer for Simenon

I can think of no reason for you to answer this question unless you're scum.

Unvote, vote: Bookie

that's -1, in case people are too dumb to read the vote count

JDodge · Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:04 pm

WALLS OF TEXT

WALLS OF TEXT

OH HOW I LOATHE WALLS OF TEXT

JDodge · Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:30 pm

Simenon wrote:
Bookitty wrote:
Simenon wrote:
Simenon wrote: You are a smart player- you actually bother to read the game.
swiftly changing my mind.

You already refuted that with your comment about how I was stupid town who claimed when clearly that was a horrible horrible move, except if I was scum and it was obvious I would do it, except you couldn't have foreseen that I would, though you did think I was scum and clearly that would be the good scum move, while the smart town move would be to allow myself to be lynched without comment.

Um, yeah.

I'll live without your approval.
:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::
:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::
:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::
:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::
:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::
:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::
:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::
:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::dodge:dodge::dodge::

i feel so well liked

JDodge · Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:36 pm

hrmmm

unvote, vote: battle mage

JDodge · Post Post #2103 (isolation #53) » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:35 am

Vote: Sir Tornado

There are numerous things in that post worded in such a way that it fits with my memories of Sir T-scum

JDodge · Post Post #2107 (isolation #54) » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:46 am

Sir Tornado wrote:
JDodge wrote:
There are numerous things in that post worded in such a way that it fits with my memories of Sir T-scum
Like?

As far as I recollect, I haven't ever been scum in any game with you playing before this (the only one near enough is Masons and Monks which you modded).

i essentially assume that if i've only played with someone fairly often when they are one alignment every time, that anything outside of what they would normally act like is what they would do as scum or otherwise

JDodge · Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:40 am

Sir Tornado wrote:
JDodge wrote:
i essentially assume that if i've only played with someone fairly often when they are one alignment every time, that anything outside of what they would normally act like is what they would do as scum or otherwise
Ok...

but still, what "memories" of Sir T-scum?

pointless semantics argument go

JDodge · Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:21 am

Ether wrote:I agree with MoS's assessments of ZONEACE and JDodge, except...Colin seems like the most likely traitor to me and his interactions with JDodge make it unlikely that he's his traitor. (There was actually one post in which Colin addressed JDodge with what felt like a breadcrumb, but I still think the rest of his behavior cancels that out. Bookitty/Setael2, you've both actually
been
traitors; can you comment on what to expect?)

Eh?

JDodge · Post Post #2154 (isolation #57) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:40 am

Ether wrote:
Post 2138, JDodge wrote:Eh?
Post 2141, Colin wrote:I would love to know what ether means.
Oh. This.

Bookitty's reference to Colin's joining the TSwagon early is a fair point. Bah.

Post 2128, Tornado wrote:and Zoneace, I've maintained from D1 isn't scum based on meta amongst other things.
What meta?

ZONEACE, who's scum?

What exactly are you insinuating with this?

JDodge · Post Post #2178 (isolation #58) » Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:12 am

Unvote, vote: Setael

I see someone trying to connect themselves to me

JDodge · Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:03 am

Setael wrote:Give me a break. Here's Simenon's post:

JDodge wrote:This isn't true at all.

I think Sir T is town. You and Jdodge are on his wagon.

And in the future, don't ask me for opinions if in the previous comment you assume I'm scum.
Do you see in there what reason he gave for changing his mind about Sir T? The only thing I see that is even a possibility is the statement "You and JDodge are on his wagon".

So by asking if that's what I'm referring to, how am I trying to link myself to you?

That was a mistake, JDodge. It makes no sense for you to accuse me and vote based on that out of the blue, when my post made perfect sense in light of simenon's. I'm guessing all of Sim's suspicion of you is just distancing so when he comes up traitor we won't look at you. Too bad you just blew all his carefully laid plans, eh?

Your idiocy is astounding.

Setael wrote:@Simenon: Where did you give a reason? The only other thing you said is "You and Jdodge are on his wagon." That's why you now think Sir T is town? Does that mean you think I'm scum? If so, do you have a reason? If JDodge and/or me are scum, did you not consider the possibility that one or both of us are bussing Sir T?

Read it and weep.

JDodge · Post Post #2232 (isolation #60) » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:19 pm

No, you're pretty much defending me Bookie.

JDodge · Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:52 am

Because Setael is trying to buddy herself up to people.

JDodge · Post Post #2262 (isolation #62) » Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:11 am

Setael wrote:
kora wrote:
JDodge wrote:Because Setael is trying to buddy herself up to people.
The only support I see for that involves her directly quoting Sir Tornado. I'm not sure how that warrants a vote.
I agree with this. I've been writing JDodge off because he's always lurkery and therefore hard to read, but this accusation that I'm buddying up to people is really hollow. I still think Sir T is scum but JDodge is a good 2nd.

unvote, vote: JDodge

So you admit that you're voting me pretty much solely because I accused you of something?

JDodge · Post Post #2279 (isolation #63) » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:30 am

the spotlight accents my beautiful smile

JDodge · Post Post #2281 (isolation #64) » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:52 pm

Niv wrote:
JDodge wrote:the spotlight accents my beautiful smile
Are you going to claim/defend yourself or should we just lynch you.

Are you going to hide in the shadows in plain sight as you have all game or are you going to state a case to respond to?

Nobody else answer this. I want Niv to for a reason.

JDodge · Post Post #2288 (isolation #65) » Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:00 pm

Niv wrote:
JDodge wrote:
Niv wrote:
JDodge wrote:the spotlight accents my beautiful smile
Are you going to claim/defend yourself or should we just lynch you.
Are you going to hide in the shadows in plain sight as you have all game or are you going to state a case to respond to?

Nobody else answer this. I want Niv to for a reason.
My reason for voting you is as follows:

all you have done all game pretty much is post one liners and then not respond to anything people say. and also you have yet to post any reasoning/logic behind any of your suspicions/votes.

What have I not responded to?

Also, the second part is false - I've justified my Setael vote. Or would you rather I held your hand as I went through to explain the obvious?

Niv wrote:you have done Nothing.

BTW you say i have hid all game, which i have not imo. I am fairly certain no one else would say that. I have tried to post as often as possible here excluding the period where i forgot about the game.

The vast majority of your posts are also one-liners; while they seem to look "contributory", they are lacking in pure

opinion

of other players - something you would do as scum to try and avoid accountability as much as possible.

JDodge · Post Post #2299 (isolation #66) » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:27 pm

tick

tock

tick

tock

JDodge · Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:00 am

Sir Tornado wrote:Ok I am going to claim now. I am the vig.

This may look odd timed, but I think it is necessary I make myself a mafia NK target to make sure none of the masons, whose survival I deem extremely necessary for the town to win, are taken out on N5. And, I am willing to take a straw poll among everyone for the night kill. Also, I think that mafia would have figured this out already by now.

Who should I NK tonight? Right now, I am looking at one of MoS/JDodge/Setael/Elmo.

I would also like to hear your thoughts on White, and why you think mafia would want to kill White on N1. (because I killed Flameaxe)

rest of your targets

now

JDodge · Post Post #2342 (isolation #68) » Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:19 pm

Ether: Why are you answering questions addressed to Sir T?

JDodge · Post Post #2358 (isolation #69) » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:49 pm

Ether wrote:JDodge/ZONEACE/Kore: 'Cause it was obvious. Why did you ask?

Because it was nowhere near as obvious as you think.

Elmo wrote:JDodge, precisely what kinda defence does that constitute?

Shush. Waiting for Niv - I haven't seen enough from Niv to really think anything of him yet, so I want to get as much about Niv into the spotlight as possible.

JDodge · Post Post #2362 (isolation #70) » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:37 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why is JDodge so focused on a mason?

Because we still need info on everyone we can get. Why is Creepo so focused on JDodge?

JDodge · Post Post #2377 (isolation #71) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:32 am

Ether wrote:I think the scum killed White because of his interactions with TS.

MoS and Setael2 are town. Seriously. Don't you dare vig them. (Also, acknowledge my treatment of MoS.) I don't get what you see in JDodge--he only wagonned White when it was safe. But you can totally vig Elmo instead if you want. We can lynch JDodge.

I think Bookitty is just doing whatever she can to discredit me at this point. Am I biased here?

Actually I wagoned White until I realized that nobody else wanted to wagon White - this is what we call "compromise".

JDodge · Post Post #2384 (isolation #72) » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:44 pm

Ether wrote:
Post 2377, JDodge wrote:Actually I wagoned White until I realized that nobody else wanted to wagon White - this is what we call "compromise".
Meaning Tornado's defense of you in 2373 doesn't work.

Not really. How does stopping bandwagoning make it so that I was never really "extreme bandwagoning" or whatever the hell Sir T said?

JDodge · Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:39 pm

The town should be deciding who Sir T vigs. Not Sir T.

If Sir T does not vig who the town tells Sir T to vig, then Sir T should be vigging Sir T.

This is what we call "proper vig play".

JDodge · Post Post #2423 (isolation #74) » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:10 pm

Bookitty wrote:I remember a discussion that went along these lines:

If the town votes on who is vigged, then whatever percent of scum are in the town have that percent of influence on the decision made. If the scum are vocal and persuasive, they can sway the town, and have a greater percentage of influence even than their numbers would already suggest.

If the vig decides who is vigged, then the decision is made by someone who is 100% town and no scum influence corrupts that decision.

Do you agree or disagree with this, JDodge? Why or why not?

Because we can use a vig essentially as a second lynch for the town that day. The problem with letting a vig decide who to vig is that generally a majority in a town will have better judgment than a singular person as evidenced by the fact that he's already killed one mason.

Isn't your "town votes on who is vigged" thing also applicable for lynches? Why aren't you advocating a no-lynch if you're so worried about scum influence?

JDodge · Post Post #2426 (isolation #75) » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:13 pm

Bookitty wrote:It's not applicable to lynches because lynches can't happen on one person's say-so.

But I want to be clear, you're for the town directing the vig's play as a general rule. That's correct, yes?

I am an avid supporter of Pie's vig theory, so yes.

JDodge · Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:46 am

I want Sir T to vig Sir T.

I think Sir T is a SK.

JDodge · Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:17 am

Simenon wrote:
JDodge wrote:I want Sir T to vig Sir T.

I think Sir T is a SK.
If he is an SK, it still is not the proper play to have him vig himself, silly.

i STRONGLY disagree

you're probably one of those people who doesn't think modern art is really art at all!