Mafia 63: Wolves - Game over!

[theopor_COD]

Hello everyone. Haven't read any of this yet, so when I have I'll produce something, give me a day or so.

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I read this thread but failed to take notes as such I need to re-read.

The deaths seem bad news to me - lack of any Wolves dieing isn't good. I'm not sure whether a sorcerer is a good or bad, sounds bad but in a game with Wolves dunno. What's a Fletcher - mind he looks to have been eaten.

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BM thing is I expect the scum to be Wolves and be revealed as such not Sorcerers or Milliners and the like. Fircoal may have been an independent but I don't think he'd be part of that breed of baying animals and being as I think we're just up against Wolves I think it's possible we're four down already with Blackberry biting the dust aswell.

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Well as I say he may be an Independent of some sort but without any knowledge who knows. It's not really worth dwelling on.

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Okay.

vote Talitha

Scummiest so far on reading posts in isolation.

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Frightfully quick? I've not really got a hard core case against Tally, seems there was a substantial amount of posts lost in the crash, we've managed to lynch an inactive and she was actively pushing the lurker lynch. Nothing majorly scummy but we may aswell start discussion somewhere or otherwise we'll get nowhere.

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Unvote

My vote on Tally was just to get discussion moving which it did . . .

Fielding Melish any content yet?

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BattleMage:

believe he is excellent as pro-town.

You do know BM's got himself another new sig now

Anyways I think we should appply some more pressure to the Mage.

Vote Battle Mage

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Here's a little taste of BM so far - not by all means helpful, dontcha think Miztef?

Im leaning towards Fircoal being town

Fircoal must be either scum, or unco-operative town. Probably should be lynched either way

good point. his unwillingness to contribute to the game smells a bit odd. Must be scum

Vote: Fircoal

the fact that you have made absolutely no attempt to help catch scum in this game is peculiar. Even YOU are usually more pro-active than this. The only reason i can think of for you being so downright lazy, is that you dont really care who gets lynched, as long as it isnt your scumbuddies.
You look like scum to me.

I wouldnt say hes exactly scummy, but he needs to get his arse into gear.

i dont think lynching lurkers is a good idea.

im also pretty sure that Sorcerer is a scum role. if it was protown, it might have been Magician, or Wizard.
Sorceror has connotations of evil dontcha think?
BM

yes, i think a

Vote: Talitha

would be a good start. the post identified by Jordan does look scummy.

Yeh BM is much scummier than Talitha after comparing the two.

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it might be time for a claim soon. Hint Hint.

BM no sensible townie wants to claim at any time, take it your attempting to humour us all.

Melish where has this guy got to with his re-read.

Skruffs who is 324 directed at?

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Miztef - I have no real idea on BM. Like I didn't on Talitha before, just raising a few arguments gets a few more people involved etc. Fircoal could be town, serial what not - I don't think he's scum however as I think the fact this is "Wolves" would mean they are the scum, he wasn't a Wolf hence I don't think he was part of the group.

I agree with Pooky as regards your earlier FOS, does seem overly odd. Jordan aswell is another concerning me, Skruffs makes a good point about him. It would be nice to hear some more people's thoughts.

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Why is 320 a mishap? I don't have to give reasons for a vote, last I knew. And Skruffs should know that . . . If I want to place a vote to apply pressure without much background so be it, I'm still not sure if Skruffs in 324 was referring to me anyway.

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Why is 320 a mishap? I don't have to give reasons for a vote, last I knew. And Skruffs should know that . . . If I want to place a vote to apply pressure without much background so be it, I'm still not sure if Skruffs in 324 was referring to me anyway.

Miztef/Skruffs care to answer here?

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Good point.

unvote, vote Jordan

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Melish hasn't posted anywhere for 11 days or so. He probably needs replacing.

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More noobs!! We've already got Skruffs and BM.

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I was joking. noob.

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Seriously we should lynch Jordan.

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Well if that's the case, why are you voting BM?

363.

And anyway, why should I be lynched?

Why not, seriously I don't really find anything overly scummy, just still in a throw votes about, test reaction phase.

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Theo's attacks are a bit harsh to me, which I could see as really scummy, or really pro-town. I think I'll go with my gut and say it's scummy though.

Unvote Vote: Theopor_COD

Weak Gut, You'd be wrong . . .

BM I don't always set out to be helpful as scum or town, pays to mix it up.

Do like that two suspicious characters have both hopped onto a wagon though.

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Well maybe we could kick a few of the lurkers out of the cobwebs then, seems like there's only 5 or 6 of us playing.

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Lynch yourself, where did I say you'd be wanting to lynch yourself? Both you and Miztef are suspicious characters to me, why wouldn't you be?

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I'm not into convincing anyone to do anything at the minute, I'm still prodding and poking, looking for reactions, people defending each other etc.

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I'm looking for the people who react badly. Why The Goat?

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Nice of you to answer the question directed at Jordan.

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Jordan, Theo is totally the play for today.

All I can say is I'm glad the bull headed and blinkered BM is playing this game. Care to elaborate and maybe post a decent well thought out reason, as to why.

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"Vote-hopping a lot" - let me see Talitha, BM and Jordan.

It's not like I've turned into a frog on speed.

What I will do however is

unvote

and have a nice sedate re-read.

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I think what the town needs is some prods on the inactives. I appreciate Pheobus has had a few problems already with replacements and the like, but we can't really let 40% of the players idle away so badly.

Ancalagon last post 31 May
Fielding Melish last post 1 June - prob needs replacing
DoS last post 5 June

~n9v~ last post 11 June
Jingolaw last post 11 June

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I'm keen to contribute thats a fallacy. I'm not being overly helpful, agreed, because I'm trying out a few tactics to catch someone out. However is anyone at this stage being overly helpful?

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unvote, vote DragonsofSummer

Post, lurker scum.

Not sure what to make of Jingolaw's post re-lurking and only posting when there's something to discuss. Maybe if you were more proactive in prompting discussion we'd have more useful information and the like.

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On double checking he hasn't posted anywhere for a week, so that's a good point. I'm just wary that there only seems to be six/seven of us posting and I want to promote activity from the inactives.

unvote

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lol Theo, stop voting people for inactivity, when a good PROD would suffice. it undermines the value of your vote when you DO use it on someone you think is scummy.

I'd already suggested a prod on several of the inactives prior to the vote. Still DoS has posted in Theme Park so we will see if he posts here or not, won't we.

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vote niempie

And before you ask this has nothing to do with her lack of posts recently. It's entirely day one related mainly.

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I'd rather we burnt someone to a crisp than any butchering.

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Good posting ^^

Mind Fielding Melish is now Shanba, I'll let you off that.

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BM talks sense what the heck.

Skruffs and Jordan need to get a room and calm down. Mind I wouldn't say Tally has done anything outrageous to appear so much more townie than anyone else.

Niempie needs more votes.

I don't understand DoS's latest post.

Miztef needs to read the thread.

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Evidence . . . what is this MI5.

Go down to the bottom of the page display all posts by Niempie.

Read them all and figure out
a) where she's being pro-town
b) where she genuinely seems to be scum hunting
c) where she expresses a vaguely valid opinion of her own

I just see a load of here posts, will re-read, comment on an old argument, no real personal opinions and not much evidence of a re-read. I think the scummers are in a pretty strong situation in this game hence we need to be a little more proactive in catching em.

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Jordan, keep up, Melish has been replaced by Shanba.

We should just lynch Niempie.

N9V is always useless whatever game he's in . . . he'll get a prod, say hello and then lurk again.

Jingolaw has already said he'd only join in when something warrants it . . . he's probably scum.

Ancalagon - well yeh Pooky can shoot him down in the night.

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No I don't think Pooky is scum. I couldn't think of anything else to write.

Niempie is. Jingolaw maybe is. I'm undecided on the others.

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I don't really fair that you are pushing Skruffs so hard on this either guys.

Meh I guess it's the missing words "think it's".

Seperately I don't have much of a problem with ppl attacking Skruffs or attacking Jordan, funny how ppl are siding up to one or the other, at this present moment both could be scum, both could be town, one could be scum - one town etc.

Skruffs hasn't posted since you did so whether we've moved on is a moot point.

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I am still here, but didn't have much to say. The thing between Skruffs and Jordan seems to continue on and on. And I didn't have much to say about that anymore.

This week was a bit busy for me, more than that I had hoped. But I am still here.

Pls lynch her. kthx.

~n9v~ didn't let me down. Back to the comedy club.

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Niempie still alive! What gives.

n9v should if he's telling the truth have two results. Being that we've had two nights. Fact that he only blurted out one innocent is very odd.

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I'm fine with that, it's just that our dear old ~n9v~, I don't think realised we had two nights which makes me thinks his claim is full of bull. Whether he's scum or not who knows more so an idiot.

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Well either way let's hope his replacement explains things. I see no reason for the second investigation at present if of course ~n9v~ is telling the truth. Obviously if he has two different results i.e one guilty one innocent then we ought to hear it.

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Because say n9v has a guilty from his first investigation, Pooky he has as town then - One of em's scum obviously or ~n9v~ is just being a cad.

Either way without the cop contributing to the discussion we still don't know if he was being serious.

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Deadline 2: 1700 GMT, Monday the 9th of July

This deadline serious?

First I've seen of one.

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My bad I missed the previous post with deadline listed.

Erm well about a day to decide on someone.

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Yeh guys can we please lynch someone. Preferably Niempie.

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It's not just this week it's the whole game 3 months or so from what I can tell.

Do give me one decent reason why we shouldn't lynch you? Or at least impart some of your own opinions on the game, attack someone be suspicious of people etc etc. Until then yep your my number one suspect

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A sibling eh?

Really want to hear from n9v and being as we've not nailed a werewolf yet, we're in dire need of a good break.

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I tend to agree with Jordan.

To be honest I don't believe n9v

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I think today would be a good day for a no lynch

You are joking right?

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This game needs no following it needs some forthright opinions . . .

Too many of us seem to be burying our heads in the sand.

Pooky pls elaborate on your vote for Dragons, thx. Reasons and the like.

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Ergh . . .

I don't really feel like I've got anywhere near a good grasp on this game.

n9v's investigations seem weak - especially investigating BM the night he gets offed.

Of the others meh dunno. Something needs to happen to spark the game into life or sway it from the Jordan/Skruffs continuing battle - which currently doesn't excite me.

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Let's play follow the bear . . . nothing much else seems like a worthwhile avenue.

vote DOS

- maybe then he'll post his opinions as he suggested at top of page.

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Hi guys I'm back.

Flavour is required.

I'll have a more substantial re-read as I've missed a fair bit.

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Tally care to elaborate on your suspicions and the reasons for that list, or is it just a batch of names? Like it looks like . . .

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I don't care to elaborate much at this stage, especially because some players such as yourself have not put forward their own suspicions yet. I will say that your desire to follow rather than find scum yourself is one of the best reasons that you are a wolf in this game.

That's bullshit . . .

Care to point out where exactly I've been following instead of putting forward opinions of my own. When you've done that I'll go and analyse everyone else. Admittedly I've done jack all this day so far but I'm not the only one in that camp.

I'm not going to start speculating on scum as such until I've re-read which I've still not done so when I've done that I'll respond to that.

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Talitha have you read any of my posts during day 2?

Agreed I was wrong on Niempie but I certainly did not hop on the bandwagon, they was a pretty decent argument for me thinking she was scum . . I was wrong. It happens!

So far you've plucked five names from the hat

Jingolaw
theo
Jordan
Pooky
Ancalagon

One of whom Ancalagon hasn't posted for an eternity and another Pooky has an innocent against him. Why are the likes of Dragons, Skruffs, Miztef, Shanba clear in your mind. What have they done which has been so obviously pro-town? And finally if your so convinced I'm a wolf why the heck are you not voting me?

Just screams of looking to throw shit at a group of people and hope it sticks on someone.

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Fine, but you can see why I find your argument full of holes without any detailed explanation of reasons why ppl are scummy, why they're more townish. I'd agree I've been pretty non-committal with this game on the whole but I think the same could be said for everyone bar Skruffs and Jordan who seem to be continuing on with their own little argument, including yourself bar the last week or so. It's been going on a good five months and I don't think anyone has a good enough grasp of what's going on, probably a good reason why claims may help.

Seperately you say, Jingolaw, your convinced is scum, why exactly? Aside from being pretty unhelpful, which a group of others have been too, why are you so convinced.

Moving on if we're moving towards claims, I'd rather we just got on with it, everyone claim role and no one comment until all claims are finished. I'm not overly fussed with the order as bitching over who goes first will only delay the process. I do however feel we need everyone to chime in.

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~N9V~ - claimed cop

Ancalagon - last post so long ago I forget, n9v claims innocent

Dragons of Summer replaces Scarecrow - not been much help, did however post some time ago his suspicions, had me down as town, now wants me to claim first wtf

Jingolaw - again pretty unhelpful, Tally seems convinced he's scum, yet to respond

JordanA24 replaces bird1111 - has at least been involved, i'm still not sure which side of the Jordan/Skruffs argument I sit on

Miztef replaces Coron - Pretty unhelpful whilst here, now inactive

Pooky - n9v has an innocent on

theopor_COD replaces spectrumvoid - Obv town.

Talitha - Is at least spicing things up slightly, mind I'm not convinced she's a good egg by any means

Skruffs replaces The Goat - Ditto Jordan

Shanba - Not much evidence of townieness yet, seems to be fence sitting.



Okay I'd prefer if we're claiming we all claim, not just three, and no one comments until its done. I'd rather the wolves don't dictate somehow the three who need to claim, I haven't got a problem claiming, but if I'm doing it then everyone else is or we just claim flavour and not role.

I think as a matter of course we need some prods and replacements of Ancalagon and Miztef.

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Your dead right I totally missed that page, got myself pre-occupied with Tally. I will respond to it in due course.

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You are saying that because I voted for niempie I'm being hypocritical in voing for Theo...

By the way I understand your confusion. I did not make it very clear as to what reasons specifically that I am voting Theo. So here they are. I don't feel he is contributing, and I don't feel he is really helping the town. His push on Niempie was just part of my analysis, and the fact that I voted Niempie, is extremely different than pushing for a niempie lynch.

Ok a couple of responses DoS.

One I was away for two weeks including the period during your posts. It's noticeable that you posted your second batch of opinions after I voted you, so I get a slight of vibe of OMGUS from it. I cannot contribute whilst I'm away. I feel partly responsible for lynching Niempie yep . . . I did push for her lynch, mainly because I thought she was scummy you said likewise, would I not be more of a hindrance to the town if I sat back and happily let the day slide to a no-lynch? I think not. The other issues I have with your attack I think have been dealt with Jordan and Jingolaw who pretty much made sense. As for content I gotta say your a fine one to talk and why only ask me for opinions on everyone, why not ask every other player?

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DoS I voted you pretty much because I wanted the game to move forward, you posted your opinions, fact that I don't particularly agree with them means I'm pretty suspicious of you. I feel you've been pretty tame to be fair, many of your suspects are wishy-washy. I was on your town-list then led a lynch on a townie and am now scum suspect number one, just seems slightly odd, meh.

As for the claiming, I've indicated I'd prefer everyone to claim if we're doing mass-claims. Not just three people, I'd actually prefer ppl other than Tally to chime in on this and yeh would prefer we got some inactives replaced.

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There is no problem with people posting their top three if they give reasons.

I still say we should mass-claim - as for order I'm not fussed, I can go first and then select someone and we move on and so on. I want flavour aswell however and I think we need everyone active before we do it, agree?

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Hi. Is anything going to happen here?

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Happy Birthday Tally.

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Ok let's get back on with things. Are we still okay with a massclaim?

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Skruffs - Do you not believe n9v's claim/results?

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And you have innocents on who again?

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DoS you may aswell go as your about.

The you can choose whoever next.

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I'm the Village Idiot.

How apt

Only jesting DoS.

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Hrm. I don't get why DoS was protesting against his wagon so much if he knew he'd win anyway. Also, he's very dangerous to leave alive in endgame if he is as claimed, because he could side with the scum and win. I think we're almost forced to lynch him, but I'm not totally sure.

Excellent point.

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unvote

No one gets lynched until everyone claims.

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EBWOP - No one should comment on the claims so far either. Skruffs pls claim.

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I'm a baker, townie - admittedly that seems awfully stupid after Shanba's claim, but there you go.

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I shamelessly agree.

vote Dragons of Scummer

I also am more than happy with Cicero attempting to kill Skruffs the supposed Gong Farmer, I'm not liking Plump's claim much either.

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I totally

Vote Miztef

Let's butcher him. .

It is as Shanba pointed out quite obvious

DoS wagon - maybe so but he's garnered plenty of suspicion pre-claims and his claim is basically full of crap. I'd be more than happy lynching him, Skruffs or BobbyPlump.

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Evasive ^^

Very likely scum.

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If that's the case it makes me feel miles better about lynching Niempie.

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Ok that makes sense, Bobby - nice little attempted trap.

That also means the end of day one could be worth re-reading. Does everyone think the Wizard was scum? p.s I'm pretty confident DoS is a wolf.

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I can happily go along with it - after n9v pops up.

Forgot to mention when I claimed I also left a breadcrumb, it's the post just after Shanba's butchering breadcrumb, I think we can wrap this up guys and girls.

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You mean you investigated the person Cicero said he was killing?

And similar happened with BM. Goddam ~n9v~.

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Hmm . . . we need to hear from Quag.

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I think we should lynch Plump.

vote BobbyPlump

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Cos your scum silly.

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Hmm yeh I conclude you were . .

unvote, vote Quagmire

Something somewhere regards Miztef and DoS struck me as very scummy when I re-read, I'll try and dig it out.

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Yeh I think Jingolaw was far more pro-town than Miztef on a re-read of pages 20-25.

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Why can't we lynch Quag?

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Seperately he may not be bluffing about being able to swap people and could be able to swap himself with someone else ala a bus driver role. I'd rather we lynch him.

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I think Pooky would be damn stupid to do such. Wolves were in such a strong position before the mass-claims and yesterday's lynch.

I still want to hear from Quag.

unvote

- in the meantime.

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Mod can you prod Quag please, thx.

Done. -Flay

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You know I did want to hear from Quag "sigh".

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Sweet - props to Pooky. Scum fell apart completely.

Niempie was scum then?

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Ha class.