NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Zulfy
Captain Planet is freaking amazing STFU

[Aeronaut]

Omgus?

VOTE: Dwlee99

VOTE: Frozen Angel
No longer RVS, I don't like this post.

VOTE: JarJarDrinks
Because the awful acting.

Spoiler:

<psst>

{what}

<that's Drinks, not Binks>

{oh, um, but it doesn't need to make sense}

VOTE: davesaz

This seems like an unusual opening from you from all one time I've played with you.

Examples?

[Aeronaut]

Cool, Aero is probtown.

Also I remembered wrong about davesaz. Only game I played was open 614 where he caught up several pages into the game, so I haven't seen davesaz RVS

VOTE: Frozen Angel

Crap I forgot to cite my reason for voting cow as OMGUS. You guys figured it out anyway, though.

VOTE: Frozen
Sheeping Aero.

So basically me saying "I don't like this post" was enough for two people to park their vote on this wagon. Fro99er and Dweel need to be looked into next, but I sort of like this wagon for now.

OMGUS can be alignment indicative imo. People let their emotions fly more often if they are mafia because they want to avoid being attacked at all costs. OMGUS is a way to defend against being attacked. Dwlee didn't OMGUS from what I saw, he matched a joke vote with another joke vote.

FA could be scum.

I only find OMGUS to be allignment indicative when there's bullshit attached; example: Player B votes Player A, and then player A turns around and tries to pin some other contrived reason onto them.

That's why I felt and feel as if FA just yelling OMGUS and parking her vote was pretty sus.

Crap I forgot to cite my reason for voting cow as OMGUS. You guys figured it out anyway, though.

VOTE: Frozen
Sheeping Aero.

Has Aero done something that makes him sheep worthy?

He's aero

Truuuuuu


Reading 3 and 4 now

[Aeronaut]

IS it?

Why overreact on something that is not?
How many votes is not serious?
Is there enough solid reasons on your wagon to 'make it a fast wagon and get over with it'?

I never overreacted to something that is not. I didn't even voted him because of OMGUS. It was RVS and I did something to gain intel. (one of my misterious tests!) and some people overreacted to it because they can't see further than their noses!

But Nero in the other hand questioned me about what I did and stated "I feel good about my vote" , well that's not a reason for joining a wagon.

and I said its getting sirious (that means we're out of RVS - lets start a valid conversation)

and I never said there is. I asked for them and he couldn't give me even one.

I feel good about my vote

What are your top three scum reads right now and why?

There was my first unstinct to place out when you posted. You dont need to rvs me, youll be votng me because the liver has a knot anyway

I actually have zero idea what anything in this post means

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

Why is RC scum?

Because her vote on me. She should know better.

Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.

You scumread him for doing a weird RVS vote without ever having seen him do an RVS vote?

Right. But I was right in that I DIDN'T remember him making an opening like that. I just misremembered I hadn't seen him make an opening at all.

Would scum me really be that lazy on post one?

Yea.

Also, starting a sentence with "would I do X as scum?" Makes for pretty good WIFOM.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: Fro99er

I don't like that as soon as I say that I'm suspicious of you and another person, you immediately vote the other person.

[Aeronaut]

Ok, I'll give you my three scum reads.

FA, Frogger, Dwlee.

Your turn!

[Aeronaut]

Yep

[Aeronaut]

Pisskop....What's your take on me so far?

Why so worried about what pisskop thinks of you? You know your allignment. Why not ask about what pisskop thinks of others?

[Aeronaut]

Aero might actually be scum.

He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.

link meta

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS

[Aeronaut]

Why do you think he asked me about himself, aero? I want to know your actual line of logic here.

The question is, why ask about yourself? What does he gain from that information wise?

[Aeronaut]

I don't care that you vote hopped, I simply thought about what I would do as scum, if somebody accused me and someone else of being scum, I'd try to turn it against that other person, as well as distance myself from them.

[Aeronaut]

Why do you think he asked me about himself, aero? I want to know your actual line of logic here.

The question is, why ask about yourself? What does he gain from that information wise?

I gain a ton of information asking what pisskop thinks

No but why does it at all matter what he thinks about you though? Like YOU KNOW YOUR OWN ALIGNMENT so I legitimately don't get that.

[Aeronaut]

UNVOTE:

[Aeronaut]

Yea. You're town.

[Aeronaut]

SOMEONE TELL ME EXACTLY WHY THESE TWO STARTED TOWN READING EACH OTHER?

Because we've played together a few times before, and Fro99er is two very different people when he plays the game. Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.

[Aeronaut]

For now, yes.

I am a bit concerned he realized that push was going nowhere and suddenly decided this push wasn't worth it.

But I townread him at the same time as he dropped it. Our posts were literally crossing cyberspace.

Or maybe ending it there was intentional

[Aeronaut]

Family issues, will be on tonight

[Aeronaut]

However, I reach the last page and suddenly lost my desire to care because Mafia is a bullshit game. What's the point of playing if people can just meta read so hard? Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later) but the fact that the can just "townread" each other like that defeats the purpose for me. I can't get back into the meta of this game because I don't know enough of peoples meta.

Well, for me it depends on the way a meta read is presented. For example, awhile ago, someone said something like "RC knows my scum game, she should know better, this isn't my scum game". THAT, in my opinion, is sort of a bullshit excuse. When I gave my meta read on Fro99er, I sort of explained how I viewed him in both alignments, and then gave examples to two games which exemplified that well.

He's also sort of a special case, just in the fact that I don't feel like he could really "act" like his town meta, because he plays with a lot of emotion, and that sort of thing is really hard to fake without looking like pure bullshit.

He's not ruled out by any means. But as far as I'm concerned right now, he's town and I'm moving on.

ro99er has been acting more and more increasingly textbook scummy until about the breaking point when they town-read each other. A town player getting flustered because he knew another aggressive townie was going to push him, yeah I get that. It's a little bullshit though.

Do you get it, or is it bullshit? Pick one, because you're both casting shade into my argument, as well as sort of saying you're OK with it.

Spoiler: stuff

Omgus?

VOTE: Dwlee99

k

vote:Wickedestjr

daykill:pisskop

what why?

Cool, Aero is probtown.

Also I remembered wrong about davesaz. Only game I played was open 614 where he caught up several pages into the game, so I haven't seen davesaz RVS

VOTE: Frozen Angel

What? How did you mix something like this up? weird shit man

being scum?

insightful :^)

I'm not!

insightful x2

I may or may not be trolling lightly.

im surrounded by such insight 0-0

defensive how?

Facepalm denotes frustration.
Is OMGUS alignment indicative?

defensive how?

Facepalm denotes frustration.
Is OMGUS alignment indicative?

IS it?

kekerino putting a pin in this

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

k

btw, who wants to take bets on how long I last?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkFgj4dA1w[/youtube]

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: Fro99er

I don't like that as soon as I say that I'm suspicious of you and another person, you immediately vote the other person.

ye

You , Nero , You

VOTE: Aero

what are you even trying to achieve?

Thats me trying to prove I know OMGUS is not alignment indicative! ^^^^

what?

Aero might actually be scum.

He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.

link meta

ye

Pisskop....What's your take on me so far?

What kind of question is this?

Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

ooohhhhhhh shots fired

I don't care that you vote hopped, I simply thought about what I would do as scum, if somebody accused me and someone else of being scum, I'd try to turn it against that other person, as well as distance myself from them.

hmm

Why do you think he asked me about himself, aero? I want to know your actual line of logic here.

The question is, why ask about yourself? What does he gain from that information wise?

I gain a ton of information asking what pisskop thinks

i hope you elaborate by the time i catch up

I don't care that you vote hopped, I simply thought about what I would do as scum, if somebody accused me and someone else of being scum, I'd try to turn it against that other person, as well as distance myself from them.

IT HAD NOTHING TO DO W TH YOU ACCUSING ME

JESUS FUCK

I would seriously replace out of this game had I not pre inned because I wanted to play an AP game.

hmm

Yea. You're town.

what?

Aero is probably town, because I don't think he, as someone I consider a MS friend, would make me this angry if he was scum who knew I was town.

what?

okay lovers quarrel?

got lazy with the last page

VOTE: The Cow

[Aeronaut]

^cows last posts was a bunch of nothing. What was your intentions when you posted that?

Commentary on my thoughts while reading the thread to be used at a later date or so other people can get a more "emotional" kinda read on me. Also to bring my own thoughts into the fray, though not directly contributing to the discussion. I intend to bring my own shit to the table when I make a voting post. Whenever that is.

.... What?

Unvote. Vote: Aeronaut

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

Why is RC scum?

Because her vote on me. She should know better.

Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.

You asked Dwlee for his reasoning. So why, when he gives his reasoning, do you discount it because it's personal knowledge rather than attempt to understand the reason itself? I think it's unreasonable that you would complain about the reasoning being un-relatable considering he only gave the reasoning because he was asked for it. Also, what does grossss mean in the context of a mafia game?

grossss means that I thought the post was gross.

I'm discounting it because of what I already said in my post; His only real answer there was that "RC should know better". That's a silly argument, voting someone because you think they should know YOUR scum game.

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS

Not sure why this matters. Even if you were scum, it still remains true that you acknowledged him vote hopping in another game where he was town - yet voted him for similar behavior here.

Voted him to observe the reaction here, not as a real argument. And I don't know if it's true of the rest of you, but if I'm scum in a game, yea, generally most of what I say isn't what I really believe. I guess I didn't really need to point it out.

Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.

Is this grossss?
Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?

Yea, but as I stated above, it'd be hard for him to fake that shit.

Why "most likely the latter" ?

Because two scum wouldn't do that?

However, I reach the last page and suddenly lost my desire to care because Mafia is a bullshit game. What's the point of playing if people can just meta read so hard? Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later) but the fact that the can just "townread" each other like that defeats the purpose for me. I can't get back into the meta of this game because I don't know enough of peoples meta.

What about the possibility that one is scum but knows his meta well enough to fake it, well enough to fool the other?

What about that would never work? Like who reasonably does that? Sure you can bus a partner but who has the gall to try and meta clear someone day 1?

That's not what I'm saying. A is scum but knows his meta well enough to fool town B into thinking he's town.
So I'm saying that Aero and Fro99er aren't necessarily the same alignment from that interaction, like you seemed to think.

Based off the interaction, is that what you think happened? I see two people who seemed to have convinced each other at the same time they were town. If meta were so easily broken, people wouldn't be trying to use it non-stop to convince others. Lets face it, Meta is the easiest way to get a solid read on someone if you honestly know their playstyle.

Hold on, weren't you complaining like two pages ago how much you think meta is bullshit? Yes, yes you were.

and I was reaction testing.

ummm no you were not.

[Aeronaut]

That's only up to like page, nine, imm keep going now.

[Aeronaut]

Page nine and ten, 0/10 would not read again

[Aeronaut]

So this game started out so strong and now it's just this pile of boring bickering.

Page twelve is like a fight about what font size to use or something

Are you seriously going to paint me bolding stuff as being scum? Are you for fucking real?

So why are you bolder my after everyone else did?

And yes I'm serious.

My deciphering of this push is that Dwlee is doing the bolding because he's trying to fit in, as scum would. I get it, but it seems like kind of a stretch on it's own to me.

Also his vote hop.

They know how I am in RVS and they have seen my scum game. Their vote is awful.

Also his vote hop.

What's wrong with vote hopping?

It's opportunistic.

Aero might actually be scum.

He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.

"This is subjective and not in any way a real argument."

What?

Also, why you no answer my question?

I was quoting Aero.

Dwlee' original stance on vote hopping for the record

Again, a stretch.

Such misrep much wow.

And fuck you, fro99er.
You want me to tell you why I bolded something? I

felt

and you

can't

tell me to

stop

bolding.

[Aeronaut]

Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.

Looking at his ISO, this is surprisingly really true. Looking into that after this post

Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.

I

am

somewhat lost. The only person that I suspect right now hasn't posted since I voted for him. Having said that, I asked each question for a reason and just because you don't see that reason doesn't mean I'm scum that's active-lurking...

Stop asking questions pls.

What should I do instead?

Find something to talk about.

Also I'm completely flipping my read on wicked to town.

Why is this? Nothing really changed since you just said he hadn't done anything/

Page 4.

Would scum me really be that lazy on post one?

Is this WIFOM necessary to defend yourself?

Page 5.

I gain a ton of information asking what pisskop thinks

Please can you share this "ton of information".

Page 6.

Aero is probably town, because I don't think he, as someone I consider a MS friend, would make me this angry if he was scum who knew I was town.

Scum theatrics or frustrated townie?
Null for me.

Page 8.

If RC is probably scum, then why are you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Valid point.

Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?

Good question.

vla 2 days

UNVOTE: Zulfy
I'll be back.

It feels like scum trying to be playful and integrate themselves into the game.

Have you seen any further evidence for this?
Could town be "playful" and trying to "integrate themselves into the game"?

This is a really barebones response to like 15 pages of game.

Also, are you inviting Zulfy because he decided to go V/LA? What sense does that make?

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Dwlee99
first player to post is always scum

Spoiler: stuff

Omgus?

VOTE: Dwlee99

k

vote:Wickedestjr

daykill:pisskop

what why?

Cool, Aero is probtown.

Also I remembered wrong about davesaz. Only game I played was open 614 where he caught up several pages into the game, so I haven't seen davesaz RVS

VOTE: Frozen Angel

What? How did you mix something like this up? weird shit man

being scum?

insightful :^)

I'm not!

insightful x2

I may or may not be trolling lightly.

im surrounded by such insight 0-0

defensive how?

Facepalm denotes frustration.
Is OMGUS alignment indicative?

defensive how?

Facepalm denotes frustration.
Is OMGUS alignment indicative?

IS it?

kekerino putting a pin in this

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

k

btw, who wants to take bets on how long I last?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkFgj4dA1w[/youtube]

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: Fro99er

I don't like that as soon as I say that I'm suspicious of you and another person, you immediately vote the other person.

ye

You , Nero , You

VOTE: Aero

what are you even trying to achieve?

Thats me trying to prove I know OMGUS is not alignment indicative! ^^^^

what?

Aero might actually be scum.

He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.

link meta

ye

Pisskop....What's your take on me so far?

What kind of question is this?

Im approaching you like I would mollie. Which is to sit back and let you hang yourself if scum.

ooohhhhhhh shots fired

I don't care that you vote hopped, I simply thought about what I would do as scum, if somebody accused me and someone else of being scum, I'd try to turn it against that other person, as well as distance myself from them.

hmm

Why do you think he asked me about himself, aero? I want to know your actual line of logic here.

The question is, why ask about yourself? What does he gain from that information wise?

I gain a ton of information asking what pisskop thinks

i hope you elaborate by the time i catch up

I don't care that you vote hopped, I simply thought about what I would do as scum, if somebody accused me and someone else of being scum, I'd try to turn it against that other person, as well as distance myself from them.

IT HAD NOTHING TO DO W TH YOU ACCUSING ME

JESUS FUCK

I would seriously replace out of this game had I not pre inned because I wanted to play an AP game.

hmm

Yea. You're town.

what?

Aero is probably town, because I don't think he, as someone I consider a MS friend, would make me this angry if he was scum who knew I was town.

what?

okay lovers quarrel?

got lazy with the last page

^cows last posts was a bunch of nothing. What was your intentions when you posted that?

Commentary on my thoughts while reading the thread to be used at a later date or so other people can get a more "emotional" kinda read on me. Also to bring my own thoughts into the fray, though not directly contributing to the discussion. I intend to bring my own shit to the table when I make a voting post. Whenever that is.

I don't know whats happening and I don't know if I like it.Im too tired for this shit. Why is everyone yelling?

Rereading and shit.

ye dwlee is scummy ttttttttttttttbbbbbbbbbbbbbhhhhhhhhhhh

not sure if floundering vi or scummy-scum

VOTE: FA

All of this yelling makes me tired.

Imma sheep pk here. Looks like he knows what he's doing. I can't sort FA but I kinda want her dead t b h

Chill out dude (ayyyyy). I think you're massively scummy but emotions have a tendency to fuzz up my scumdar if I don't have experience with the subject.

No

Pretty much everything about you pings me scum. From the theatrics and line breaks, to the overemotionalness. These things always ping me scum, but I can't sort it without experience with the player. Can we not spam up the thread so much?

This is TheCows whole ISO, for anyone who hasn't look at it yet. Posts 175 and 426 are the only ones that really even say anything, and even then it's all just kind of echoing what the rest of us are saying.

Fine with my vote.

[Aeronaut]

Correction; Key's catchup was only until page ~8. I still think it's not too great, though.

[Aeronaut]

Right now, I don't really know what to think about FA. In my mine, she could be just as easily flailing scum as frustrated town. I don't want to lynch her yet.

Id feel awful bad if she was town, and until we talk this out Im only going to b second guessing my otherwise pretty honed sense.

This post is giving me the creeps for some reason. Putting it here to remind myself.

That's not my point.

DN's post basically assumed that these meta townreads were unviolable confirmed townies. Why would he as town be mad that 2 people mutually confirmed themselves as townies (aka MASONS.)

This is an interesting theory. I hadn't thought about that. Don't you think it would be just as easy for him to just hate meta, though? Like, I feel like there are a

lot

of people who despise meta reads more than he does.

I'm here, I had a busy night but was trying to read up over my phone. I'll place a vote in a second.

Why is it important that you have a vote down?

Vote: Cow

Whatever, there was already a moment in which I thought cow said something sketch and called him out on it. That's why I was willing to jump on that vote.

Point me to moment specifically, please.

It's just impossible for me to scumhunt here.

This seems like one of these things you're going to keep saying to get out of scumhunting.

Well, not all games end up like this. This particular mixture of players has a web of relationships to varying degrees. Players like apparently wake havent even said boo yet, but are ranked amoung the better players.

I *cough* would like to think I also rank up there, but I have a very playstyly playstyle.

Yea, it's a weird playerlist for sure.

Wake usually comes in around the end of day 1 with some triumphant catchup post or something.

[Aeronaut]

I should work on my communications skills.

Won't matter if you're not saying anything at all.

Spoiler:

[Aeronaut]

This is what i'm feeling right now.

TOWN

Fro99er
pisskop
RadiantCowbells

NULL

Nero Cain
davesaz
JarJarDrinks
Zulfy
Dwlee99
Keyser Söze
Frozen Angel
Wake88

SCUM

TheCow
Wickedestjr
Nosferatu
DeathNote

[Aeronaut]

Uh, how are you scumreading Nosferatu exactly?

Reasons.

I listed them as a scum read too, rc, you didn't comment?

And Aero, why am I right in the middle? ;-;

As I said, order doesn't matter; You're in the null section because I'm still trying to read you.

You guys aren't lynching me, I'll tell you that much.

[Aeronaut]

Uh, how are you scumreading Nosferatu exactly?

Reasons.

Actually, I don't really have a reason. It's mostly a gut thing.

[Aeronaut]

Honestly feeling more like DN is scum after saying that. I feel like if he were really a valuable role like he's implying, he would have waited longer before hinting or revealing that. And, it's not like we're anywhere near deadline.

[Aeronaut]

This is what i'm feeling right now.

TOWN

Fro99er
pisskop
RadiantCowbells

NULL

Nero Cain
davesaz
JarJarDrinks
Zulfy
Dwlee99
Keyser Söze
Frozen Angel
Wake88

SCUM

TheCow
Wickedestjr
Nosferatu
DeathNote

This feels... predictable.
What makes Wickedestjr, Nosferatu and DeathNote scummier than the person you are currently voting?

They aren't in a particular order.

Dwlee, you missed this question;

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Cause I didn't think it was enough to warrant a vote yet and I wanted to see their response.

This is scummy. You didn't think it was enough to warrant a vote but "Sheeping Aero" was enough to vote for Frozen when u did?

Because aero is my secret senpai, plus that qas rvs.

I loled, but this is really a non-answer.

Why Keysor Seze is Scum

I have spent my life as a relatively average American would. I drink soda pop, play video game, believe imperialism is the best -ism, and find foreign cultures weird and detestable. But 2 years ago,, my life changed. I found Mafia, and found I was good at Mafia. I learned how to identify scum based on cues and fitting the evidence to my theory like any good scientist of today. I found that scum post somehow differently in games they are scum in; as opposed to town in. I found out that by saying something enough I could make myself and others believe it. Keysor Seze is scum.
Keysor Seze is scum because he is a lurksack who is not posting content. In the stead of content, he posts 1-liners and chalenges that don't mean anything; and this is because he is scum trying to hide. Keysor Seze is scum trying to avoid anchoring himself to any opinion or player too early.
Keysor Seze is posting much differently than my last game with him; where he foolishly tried to lynch me because he is a total noob. Here, he is ignoring me and not posting at all. He is using christmas to hide behind bcause Keysor Seze is scum.
Keysor Seze is scum because he does scummy things. Keysor Seze tries to be cute or funny, but Keysor Seze is scummy because of that. Keysor Seze is posting catchup posts that aren't engaging other players because Keysor Seze is scum.

From all this, we can safely conclude that Keysor Seze is scum. Especially since

he isn't actually engaging players and hasn't posted much outside of his totally not-town catchup posts!

We must lynch him today, because he is scum. Vote Keysor Seze for Day 01 Lycnh.

I'm still not sure about Key right now. He's honestly someone that's always hard for me to read. I will say though, that his play is significantly different than in Pariah's Mafia, which you likely remember, since you modded it and all. In Pariah, he would come in with these long, detailed posts about people. Kind of reminded me of what Wake used to do (speaking of which, where is he?). I seem to recall Key actually like playing along with the flavour, which was kind of crazy too.

Here, I feel like he either doesn't care much, or is

trying to make it look like

he doesn't care much.

[Aeronaut]

If you'd rather lynch me, just vote me :^)

No, DN claimed a PR for no reason. That makes him a better place to for my vote to be right now.

He either made a huge mistake as town. Which means it's better for us to figure it out ASAP so we can decide how to proceed.

OR

He's scum flailing.

In either case, he's where the votes should be.

The logic for the top one is really bad, here.

Yeah, something seems seriously wrong with regards to Jestr's "scumhunting" this game, and I abhor the way he's throwing everything back on everyone else.

Yea. I feel like he's just kind of commenting on things or asking random questions, not really giving conclusions. I don't think i've played with him in awhile tbh; but I feel like he was so much more of a presence in past games.

keysor. f you arent going to make posts that are paletable.

Reads and reasons. Go.

RT, I can't really even read most of your posts, Key.

Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.

dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow

And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.

Why are we making final wagons of the day? The deadline isn't even in 2015.

I also don't really feel an FA lynch anymore, and haven't really since I stopped voting her.

Im really confused by keysor.

I want DN to respond to his pushers, tbf.

Who is that exactly? Like, I know RC was the first one and I just shrug that off like you're suppose to. It wasn't until Aero posted me as his scumread that I realized these cats are serious.

Can you answer Jester's question about why you don't think you'll be lynched?

[Aeronaut]

Deathnote is bad, because as I've mentioned, him saying "oh, you won't lynch me today" like it was a jedi mind trick and expecting the wagon to disappear is something that I've seen scum do on numerous occasions. Here's the thing; it's not like he was getting over emotional or worried sounding or whatever, he just quietly mentioned it WAY before he really would have needed to as town. Like, I think it was L-5 or something around there, and he wasn't even the biggest wagon. So, IDK, I just don't see a world where town-DN does that so early.

Having said that, I don't really like that as soon as there was pressure put on Cow, he effectively disappears. Not that he was much of a presence to begin with.

[Aeronaut]

Okay, DeathNote is town.

Why are you just declaring this?

I should work on my communications skills.

If you'd rather lynch me, just vote me :^)

TheCow has balls.
Town or scum balls?
I find it amusing he thinks he doesn't need to explain himself.
Is nonchalance town-indicative?
He is inviting votes/pressure/an investigation.
Would scum-TheCow want this?

I feel like it's the opposite. Saying "well vote me, then" doesn't really do anything to him.

I'm assuming based on past experience that TheCow is just a twat regardless of alignment, but I can't confirm for sure.

I'm leaning town on him right now though.

Eh.

There's a real casualness to TheCow's posts where he's inviting people to vote him, and that takes real ability to fake as scum.

I don't think he's likely to be scum here after 607.

It honestly looks like fake casualness to me.

Deathnote is bad, because as I've mentioned, him saying "oh, you won't lynch me today" like it was a jedi mind trick and expecting the wagon to disappear is something that I've seen scum do on numerous occasions. Here's the thing; it's not like he was getting over emotional or worried sounding or whatever, he just quietly mentioned it WAY before he really would have needed to as town. Like, I think it was L-5 or something around there, and he wasn't even the biggest wagon. So, IDK, I just don't see a world where town-DN does that so early.

Having said that, I don't really like that as soon as there was pressure put on Cow, he effectively disappears. Not that he was much of a presence to begin with.

Yeah, I'm bad. Get over it, people do shit all the time that's bad. Was it a scumslip? Fuck no! I just don't have the patience to sit around and let people apply pressure to me so I try to speed things along. Either people hate my statement and vote me out quicker or they realize "oh, he probably is town" and drop it.

Also that last statement is bullshit. Do you know how I play too? No? Then stop saying you can't see what "Town-DN" would do. If you want to generalize it and say "I don't see how a town player can do that" then fine but don't assume to know how I would play.

I'm going to clarify right now, that in my post, me saying you were "bad" doesn't mean I think you're a bad player; I feel like you're probably better than a lot of the people on this site. I meant "bad" as in scummy, but I see where I could have been clearer. I'm saying this because there's nothing I hate more when people just call each other bad at the game instead of trying to tell them how they could improve.

No, I didn't say it's a scum slip; I said it's something scum are likely to do, and the way you did it seems really sketch to me. The thing is, I

don't

think you're bad at the game, and I think you would have held onto that information / stayed quiet about that implication much longer had you been playing for the town.

As for the last statement using the phrase "Town-DN", I am saying that I don't think a town-player would do that. I've never played with you personally, so yea I wouldn't know your town game.

Someone at some point asked me what my regrets are.

None. I have no fucking regrets. Only scum says "shit, I should have done that better."

You want a regret from me? Rejoining a mafia game. Like... even that's unfair though. I have nothing against AP and enjoy him as a person. I just get super frustrated at how different forum mafia is compared to everything else and that we can't play THIS GAME instead of dragging other games into it. People linking past finished games and acting like you are meant to do research on the people you are playing... it just feels dirty and cheap. I know there isn't much way around it sometimes when you play against he same people over and over but I will NOT be rereading someone like Kezer in different games to try and see if he plays the same.

Let's face it, people play differently. You wanna meta my game play from 2009 when I first started? Be my guest, you would see some crazy different play. Shit, you wanna meta me from a year ago? Still way different, promise.

/end rant.

I'm honestly sorry that you feel that way, and honestly, I actually don't tend to trust meta-clearing much myself. Frogger, in my opinion though, is such a special case in my opinion, because I've seen him play quite a few times now and just know his playing well. Same for me goes with players like Silverwolf, TSO, Wake, House, etc. who I'm just used to.

For some reason this game is getting me so salty.

Yea, this game is kind of annoying right now. I feel like I'm in a newbie game, except everyone here should kind of know better.

Am I going crazy about the scum slip..?

I change my mind Dwlee99.
Yes, WIN-WIN.

So are you just trolling now?

[Aeronaut]

You ignored deathnote basically scumclaiming - why?

I didn't ignore DeathNote's "scum claim" post. I was one of the only/first players to ask him about it, actually - so I have no idea why you are accusing

me

of ignoring it.

Actually, relooking at this.... can you point out exactly where you ever inquire about this? I can't find anywhere where that happens.

[Aeronaut]

I'm assuming based on past experience that TheCow is just a twat regardless of alignment, but I can't confirm for sure.

I'm leaning town on him right now though.

I really want to help you guys out with scum hunting but my lethargy levels are off the chart. No need to worry.

"I'm going to just keep saying I don't feel like scum hunting instead of actually scum hunting"

I feel like it's the opposite. Saying "well vote me, then" doesn't really do anything to him.

It honestly looks like fake casualness to me.

Yes, let's lynch him.

But wait... he's now flicking dogshit at people (and laughing about it):

Nero Cain

you're literally less useful than i am please lynch yourself

Nosferatu

jump through a hoop pls

Wickedestjr

Wickedestjr want to do me a favor? please lynch yourself and/or stop being a literal and figurative weed.

@Aeronaut - tell me scum-TheCow's motivation for doing this.

I mean, it doesn't really hurt him as scum, but it doesn't really help him as scum. It's just him being an ass.

Which I don't understand how that would clear him as town.

I love how everyone's just letting Jestr fly by.

I mean, I'm not. I just don't have a lot of solid case on him besides the fact that his posts feel fake as fuck. Which I guess is good enough for some people.

k rc. but seriously wicked is obvtown to me so pls.

What has he done that's obvtown to you?

[Aeronaut]

We'll know if she is scum because

she gets chainsawwy about partners

and talks like she knows her endgoal and plays emtional tag.

This is also here in the back of my mind and her vote IS a chainsaw defense.

Yea, but I think what Pisskop is saying here is that that specifically quality she apparently has of chainsaw defending her partners will help us sort her later on when the people she's defending have flipped.

Or at least that's what I got out of it.

First LAL is a kind of policy lynch. second I never lied about anything and it was obvious that I was putting RVS in page 1.

Lynch all Liers really isn't a policy lynch. The theory behind it is that nobody should be lying as town unless they really know what they're doing.

VOTE: davesaz
pedit: oh he's back

So... were you just going to start voting for lurkers instead of scum reads?

DeathNote, Joined : July 13, 2009. He should know better too.
I'm a noob, and even I realise it was a bad move.
I'll come back to his slot later.

Don't base your opinions of people on their join date. There are some newbies here that play better than some older members.

[Aeronaut]

I love how everyone's just letting Jestr fly by.

I mean, I'm not. I just don't have a lot of solid case on him besides the fact that his posts feel fake as fuck. Which I guess is good enough for some people.

Tell me about it. I mention something like that and typically get lynched for it, others can literally say someone's posts are "fake as fuck" with a vote and others give them a towngod read.

Well the key to that is to recognize that you can't campaign for somebody's lynch with things as vague as "He's Fake!" and "She gives me bad vibes" because that's entirely subjective and isn't really convincing to everyone else. People like solid reasoning.

I mean,

it doesn't really hurt him as scum, but it doesn't really help him as scum

. It's just him being an ass. Which I don't understand how that would clear him as town.

True. He is a null-town-lean for me at the moment.
But like I said he is inviting pressure/a vote/an investigation on his slot.
I do not feel like anyone is able to engage with him so far on D1, as he is putting up a front (which I am giving him a marginal null-town-lean for).
If he does not 'open up' he will face the consequences (while I think scum don't want to line themselves up for the inevitable).

Yea, but isn't 'putting up a front' more like something that scum would do? Townies don't need to hide behind masks.

[Aeronaut]

I am upset because he is saying mislynches are wins. THEN he repeates himself. And yes, dave, I am pissed that my mislynch would be a win but that isnt my case atm.

My take on it is this; Is what he said anti-town? Yea. But honestly, would scum just be going around telling us about his win condition?

Having said that, it

is

possible that it WAS a slip by Key, and then he just went with it and continued on saying it. While I don't know how I really feel about this theory, I do know that I'm going to go with the occam's razor route and say we don't really have enough information about it or him to lynch him based on that one thing right now.

JarJar is still town.

Still not giving reasons because I like watching robot get annoyed

Ok, I get you don't have a lot of time, but I'd really like your insight on this, especially JarJar when you get a chance.

I 100% agree with the town list you posted, but I'm kinda feeling robot is also town (not positive) and pisskop is scum.

Dwlee is town too, I think.

Don't asked me to explain. I won't because there's way to fucking many words here and I don't have time to sit here and wall post with quotes and stuff.

Who's robot? Key?

Imma sheep pk here. Looks like he knows what he's doing. I can't sort FA but I kinda want her dead t b h

Ew

yeah it gets yuckier

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7492491

Yea, but you aren't voting for him.

[Aeronaut]

Right, because I'm voting DN who I'm also scum reading. I fail to see the problem with having multiple scum reads.

Oh that last part was at Jar I guess

True, in that case:

Right, because I'm voting DN who I'm also scum reading. I fail to see the problem with having multiple scum reads.

I was less attacking you for it, more trying to get you to change your vote.

Aero - will do re: JarJar tonight prob.

Just for you <3

yay

[Aeronaut]

G wiz.

This is a lot of pages.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but if you don't think you're going to catch up, replace out.

[Aeronaut]

Holy fuck I want to policy lynch half the game RN.

[Aeronaut]

Spoiler: A bunch of pages, let's hurry this up

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: Fro99er

I don't like that as soon as I say that I'm suspicious of you and another person, you immediately vote the other person.

Aeronaut for benevolent supreme leader

Pisskop....What's your take on me so far?

Why so worried about what pisskop thinks of you? You know your allignment. Why not ask about what pisskop thinks of others?

I'm not worried.

Why are you spinning it as worry?

I'm trying to engage pisskop because all he's done is fluff post.

You are seriously pissing me off. I have no idea why you came in here to throw shit at me

You are mad at a person for doing what they are supposed to be doing, scumhunting.

[Shouting]

You serious?

As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.

Metabuilding is a thing that people do sometimes. +1

Like, FA is probably one of the strongest D1 town reads I've ever had on D1 outside of masonry.

That can't be true +1

So what I like to do when I play this game is quote things I want to respond to as I read up. There was a bit I missed overnight so this was probably going to be a long post.

However, I reach the last page and suddenly lost my desire to care because Mafia is a bullshit game. What's the point of playing if people can just meta read so hard? Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later) but the fact that the can just "townread" each other like that defeats the purpose for me. I can't get back into the meta of this game because I don't know enough of peoples meta.

Fro99er has been acting more and more increasingly textbook scummy until about the breaking point when they town-read each other. A town player getting flustered because he knew another aggressive townie was going to push him, yeah I get that. It's a little bullshit though.


Spoilers below for my "quotes" but don't see a reason to respond to half of those now.
[Was a bitch to find and format]

unvote

I'll just come back later and try to figure out who to vote then.

VOTE: Death Note

This basically reads as "I'm scum and its not fair how people are townreading each other!!!"

Don't forget completely and utterly useless as far as posts go. I'd vote Deathnote right now but I don't know the VC.

In regards to the mutual townreading of Frog and Aero I feel that I don't know enough about each player to form a good opinion on the matter. I'll just take it as face value and see it as two town players who know each other very well town-reading each other.

^cows last posts was a bunch of nothing. What was your intentions when you posted that?

More hypocrisy hot damn +2

I don't know about you guys, but I read this post in the voice of the CinemaSins guy.

I can buy Dwlee being town.

Cause he doesn't make sense as scumbuddies w/ a few of my other scumreads

.

Yea, don't use pre-flip associatives. It's very rarely ever going to be accurate.

Fine Keyser.
UNVOTE: Keyser

I don't have any real reasons for my reads atm, tbh. It's a lot of gut. >.<

I have wicked, rc, pisskop, aero and fro99er as town.
Not really sure about scum.

Why is Wicked at all town to you?
Also, you seriously don't have ANY scum reads? If that's really true, why aren't you trying to push people instead of just saying "Oh, I don't have scum reads!"

Nosferatu is null because I don't have enough to lynch them atm.
Deathnote claimed PR - not pursuing that today.

Just so you know, he didn't

actually

claim anything. He made a fakeish casual "I'm not going to get lynched today", far earlier than a pro-town PR generally should.

Cow and Nero are good examples of this because they're both posting just enough content to seem sort of townie but not enough that I town read them yet.

Like... what content is Cow posting that seems at all townie to you? Also curious; what makes Nero look townie to you?

[Aeronaut]

Can we just agree to lynch Cow or FA or Jestr so I don't have to deal with them any longer?

Yea, sure. I'm actually fine with Jestr or Cow out of those three. Which one of those do you think is most likely scum / will get us the most information depending on flip?

[Aeronaut]

Sorry everyone, I've been in the middle of holiday/family stuff. I have a little time here, though, does somebody want to give me a quick summary of the dave-case?

Would still like to see cow die I think, but admittedly about about 8-9 pages behind at this point.

[Aeronaut]

Sorry everyone, I've been in the middle of holiday/family stuff. I have a little time here, though, does somebody want to give me a quick summary of the dave-case?

Would still like to see cow die I think, but admittedly about about 8-9 pages behind at this point.

EDIT: It's actually only like six pages, so I'll look through now I guess.

P-edit: Why is Wicked town?

[Aeronaut]

Neither of those things make him town.

[Aeronaut]

Unvote. Vote: Aeronaut

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

Why is RC scum?

Because her vote on me. She should know better.

Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.

You asked Dwlee for his reasoning. So why, when he gives his reasoning, do you discount it because it's personal knowledge rather than attempt to understand the reason itself? I think it's unreasonable that you would complain about the reasoning being un-relatable considering he only gave the reasoning because he was asked for it. Also, what does grossss mean in the context of a mafia game?

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS

Not sure why this matters. Even if you were scum, it still remains true that you acknowledged him vote hopping in another game where he was town - yet voted him for similar behavior here.

Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.

Is this grossss?
Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?

Dwlee, you missed this question;

RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?

If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...

Why "most likely the latter" ?

Because two scum wouldn't do that?

Why not?

Guess I'm getting mislynched for the first time. *shrugs*

Why is that scummy pisskop?

Fro99er, why the vote repeats?

Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.

I

am

somewhat lost. The only person that I suspect right now hasn't posted since I voted for him. Having said that, I asked each question for a reason and just because you don't see that reason doesn't mean I'm scum that's active-lurking...

Stop asking questions pls.

What should I do instead?

I like his questions early.

Wow, that was quite a lot to catch up.

The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.
First there may have been some misinterpretation of his stance about vote hopping being scummy.
That got cleared up and he's taking heat for an opinion which goes against the grain a bit.
Having a position which is "wrong' compared to the norm isn't scummy per se, but the reaction certainly looks it.

VOTE: Dwlee99

This feels like opportunistic scum...

Unvote. Vote: davesaz

First one onto dave.

He also has a lot of scumhunting that I'm not quoting.

... Alright but dave hasn't flipped, so using that as a reason is kind of silly.

Neither of what makes who town?

Jester.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Dwlee

[Aeronaut]

That's a good fucking point frogger.

[Aeronaut]

Also, given I'm town reading Keyser, I find this hard to believe ... or should I say it isn't ... JUSTIFIED (dun dun dun)

[Aeronaut]

I mean I don't like Dwlee very much but I can't imagine Daves being town here.

Yea, but the more I look at it, Dwlee is literally just hopping onto biggest wagon most of the time.

Not really sure about scum.

I am so fing confused.

I guess I will vote cow.

VOTE: Cow

VOTE: Dave

I dig

Please can you explain the development of your scum-read of TheCow, and now davesaz? My notes are missing the reasons/motivations for these votes.

[Aeronaut]

Ok, Nos's case is also spot-on.

[Aeronaut]

It doesn't matter to me, as long as one of them is lynched.

[Aeronaut]

I'd prefer Dwlee so I don't have to type vote tags again.

[Aeronaut]

That's literally my reasoning rn

[Aeronaut]

1008, keyser.
Also, at the time of my vote the entire wagon is occupied by town reads of mine. (Now it is all town reads and a null)

Thank you for your honesty. So there is no actual behaviour you scum-read davesaz for?

First one onto dave.

Please note davesaz is not confirmed-scum, thus, the timing/presence of Wickedestjr's vote on davesaz's wagon cannot be used as town-indicative evidence.

1) Dwlee99 admits he is voting davesaz for not actually scum reading him.
2) Dwlee99 admits he is town reading someone who voted for unconfirmed scum.

These are two positions that I believe a townie should not hold.

Building off this...

In the span of one page, Dwlee goes from only being on the Dave wagon because his town reads were there, straight to being

so sure

Dave is scum, that the first person to vote him must be town.

[Aeronaut]

I guess he was there because of Nos's case, too, but the point still basically remains. He at first was making it seem he wasn't super into the lynch, which is really a direct contradiction to him thinking WJ was town because dave was

obviously

scum.

[Aeronaut]

Dont yo guys know how awful last minute wagon-switches are?

We have until like... mid January...

Jesus fuck doiley

Adding this to my "favorite quotes" page.

I'm town reading Dweele ... so hard

Are you drunk?

Why you asking ...

a bit.

LOL

For future reference, I would definitely not recommend drunk posting, even though I've done my fair share of drunk posting

but I'm ok. I know ...

I forgot Aero in my hard town reads.

and Dweele a bit less than you two.

Can you tell me again why the hell Dweele looks at all town to you?

[Aeronaut]

Tis the season to not play mafia, I'll be around but less so. I have been reading and think Fro99er has lead a good charge on Dwel who probably warranted being lynched even before his contradiction. He also hasn't responded to his newfound wagon yet and for someone who has been so active, that just makes me think he is scared scum hiding.

So much this.

[Aeronaut]

Is there a specific reason you want Dave first?

1) I'm far more certain that Daves flips scum here.
2) I'm not townreading Dwlee but I don't necessarily think his contradiction is a contradiction. People change their minds, yo.
3) I don't like the speed at which a massive group of people suddenly hopped to the Dwlee wagon.

1) Ok.
2) Yea, but I think it's more the fact that he used those questions to call WJ scum, and then turned around later and said that his questions meant he was definitely town. And, I believed he only said he had changed his mind on the questions after someone called him out on it. Checking that, though.
3) Well, I mean it was only like me, fro99er and someone else. It's not THAT many people.

The Dwlee resistance is amazing.

I mean... not

really

. He wasn't a real wagon until like literally today; half the people haven't even commented on it.

And don't spin this as Dave resistance. There are three of us who are very clear we would happily switch to Dave (me Jar Aero) if people would just let us get our Dwlee discussion out there.

Yea. I'd like people not to just forget about dwlee tomorrow if we vote Dave today.

Pedit: RC do you thin Jar Aero and I are scum?

We're the ones who hopped over.

Guessing he thinks I'm scum.

I think Aero could very well be scum, the other two of you I am townreading.

I want a Daves lynch, I'm decidedly meh on a Dwlee wagon.

What makes me scum?

Idk. I feel like both wagons have an equal amount of credibility.

I have never known Dwlee to be a useful player.

I get a definite impression that he's a scum led counterwagon to Daves here.

Well if your town reading Frogger, and he's the one that led the wagon, that doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?

[Aeronaut]

1008, keyser.
Also, at the time of my vote the entire wagon is occupied by town reads of mine. (Now it is all town reads and a null)

1008, keyser.
Also, at the time of my vote the entire wagon is occupied by town reads of mine. (Now it is all town reads and a null)

^^^

That's Nosferatu, not Zulfy.

[Aeronaut]

I don't remember ever saying Dave was town.

[Aeronaut]

Or that I wouldn't vote him. I'm fine lynching him tomorrow. I just would rather Dwlee today.

[Aeronaut]

It's something I noticed and not interested in pursuing now Aero.

We should put Dave at L-1 so we can get this game moving.

We all know where it's headed anyway.

If I vote dave now, can we please not forget about dwlee tomorrow?

At least RC is paranoid town.

You shouldn't townread me this early in a game, ever.

You may live to forget it.

I just don't even try to read RC D1, because he usually dies right after that anyway.

[Aeronaut]

Because the amount of times i've seen this happen and got burned because of it is too many to count

[Aeronaut]

If Daves flips scum and you're town you should slap yourself for giving scum an out to try to shift the vote and pin it on you.

Fro99er made the case before I did, you know that right?

[Aeronaut]

If I vote dave now, can we please not forget about dwlee tomorrow?

Please vote Dav

VOTE: Dave-sauce

[Aeronaut]

I like how the p-edit was in the next post

[Aeronaut]

I like playing with RC because he just hates everything. He's basically the Larry David of Mafia

[Aeronaut]

I like how the p-edit was in the next post

It's how I roll.

I see someone posted and I hit submit anyway.

Spoiler:

[Aeronaut]

Yes, it's a fake hammer. Amazing how many people think that's funny.
TBH I don't know if it's really a L-1 either, but screw it.

I'm a

town neighbor

, in a hood with Wake and DeathNote. Wake is anti-neighborhood and essentially told us to piss off. DeathNote asked what he should claim, BP or fakeclaim something else. No idea whether the BP is real or if it was also fake to see what I'd do when he mentioned it.

It's honestly just as likely to be a scum neighbor as a town one.

[Aeronaut]

Do BP neighbors pop up often?

[Aeronaut]

As someone that loves to use neighborhoods in my own games, I'm reluctant to try to pin scum based on who is in the hood.

[Aeronaut]

It more hinges on Dave's alignment, though. Although I'd also like to hear from both of those people before anything else happens.

[Aeronaut]

Of all the BP roles I've seen, SK is far more prevalent than either town or mafia.

LOL

aero makes scum BP a lot

I kind of assumed everyone did

I also love scum neighborizers. I think every single game I've had reviewed involves the reviewers yelling at me for a few pages about how everyone hates neighborhoods and I'm bad for even considering having them.

[Aeronaut]

Usually not, but paraphrasing should be okay.

He said you didnt want anything to do with the hood.

Wake is anti-neighborhood and essentially told us to piss off.

Oh alright then.

So I was like, oh, shit, I'm in one of these damned things again. What the hell AP what'd you do? Why you hate me you fucker?

And then Death was like oh hi guys I'm looking forward to play with you and I'm all like OH I BET YOU ARE. And then with pursed lips and wry smile this cheeky fucker emits from his oral cavity that he suggests one of us ain't Town which takes a LOT of guts right? Right? NO, I BET one of you bastards is Scum, or AP's just fucking with people against because he can and he likes it. Oh how he likes it so.

Oh hell no fuck this shit I said with what could only be described as an effort in agonizing honesty, like an overdue fart you've been biding ever since that glorious 3-bean casserole forever lost the warmth of winter's sun. One of you two is Scum. I'm out. BYE FELICIA. You can say what you wanna say to me out in the open.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAHAGAGAG *choking* BGHAHH

[Aeronaut]

Wake is my favorite kind of asshole

[Aeronaut]

Yaaaaaaaaas

[Aeronaut]

Merry Christmas!

Meant to say that in thread before I was killed

[Aeronaut]

oh my god when was frogger in this game

[Aeronaut]

:/