NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

pignash · Post Post #437 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:37 am

Jesus, sorry. I completely forgot I inned for this. I'll read through and post something by tonight.

pignash · Post Post #454 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:26 am

Thoughts so far:

RC v Titus: RC seems to be the one driving this and I don't really love his posts so far this game. But I've never played a large before so I am willing to believe it would be hard to maintain his normal playstyle (that I have seen in other games) over the course of a whole game.

Titus v Davsto: I would say either Dav is scum or neither are. Liked what I've seen from Titus so far actually. Dav is harder for me to read, will try to go through ISOs later on the main players to try and get a sense of tone/playstyle

Dwlee: Hey buddy, thanks for the win earlier today

Also I think you might be scum this game. I like what Mario is putting down about your play so far.

VOTE: Dwlee

pignash · Post Post #685 (isolation #2) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:15 pm

Alright

UNVOTE:

Titus, I've never played with Dave. What would he be doing different as town?

pignash · Post Post #709 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:06 am

Not super fond of the Heat wagon, maybe it's just because he asked where I was. Why would he care if I was being quiet when town was plenty active at that point other than to try and sort me? Seems too proactive to be scum.

pignash · Post Post #711 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:19 am

No? Explained why I didn't think he was scummy.

pignash · Post Post #714 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:24 am

Proactive -acting in anticipation of future problems, needs, or changes.

Just in regards to asking where I was. That one action was proactive. That doesn't mean he gets a pass for the rest of the game from me, just why I'm not scumreading him currently.

pignash · Post Post #987 (isolation #6) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:57 am

Hi friends. Still here. Been sick this weekend, will catch up soon.

pignash · Post Post #1159 (isolation #7) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:45 pm

Large games are weird. I feel like I don't have anything to really add yet. I would like a Heat or Zymf lynch more than anything else I think.

pignash · Post Post #1161 (isolation #8) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:56 pm

Oh it's so fun to post and then immediately get called scum...

It's almost like it's the reason I have said little to nothing the whole game because I feel like opening my mouth means being scumread. It's discouraging really. Every third person is throwing out naked scum reads so it's not like I'm alone in this.

pignash · Post Post #1165 (isolation #9) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:08 pm

Because it's happened in several of my games. Seems like a lot of players can get away with talking off the cuff and they don't get turned on immediately but I'm still new and people don't know my personality so I post something underwhelming and it means I'm scummy. Annoying mostly.

I said who I thought was suspicous. Zymf is my main scum read currently because of their terrible vote of Pistachion.

Dwlee is town, but annoying and I don't really thing pistachion is scum.

Titus seems to have calmed down a little, I don't know if that means she thinks the tunnel on dave bought her enough town cred to coast for a bit or if it means she was pushing so hard to get the game going in earnest.

RC seems town.

These are my strongest reads ATM.

pignash · Post Post #1169 (isolation #10) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:25 pm

In post 1166, Elyse wrote:What is your read on Titus

Is this directed at me? Gun to my head? Town.

pignash · Post Post #1427 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:35 pm

I'm here and reading. Just don't have a lot to say and don't really like either wagon, and there's not much point trying to change directions at this point.

pignash · Post Post #1429 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:34 pm

That's cool.

pignash · Post Post #1468 (isolation #13) » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:23 am

In post 1430, Grib wrote:What changed your read on Heat?

Post 795, mostly.

In post 1430, Grib wrote:You are being scumread because you aren't doing anything to help town win.

I'm bad at Day 1s with no night phase. It's the biggest adjustment from where I've played before. I don't know everyone's personality very well so my meta reading is bad (and I don't put as much stock into that kind of stuff anyway) and I find it hard to pick out scummy behavior before flips generally.

In post 1430, Grib wrote:Posts like these are pointless. Why be deliberately unhelpful? Someone calls you scum or says they want to lynch you, you ask them why and determine if they're scum going for an easy mislynch or misguided town.

So 3 words is deliberately unhelpful? I feel like that's exaggerating. So you're saying either OMGUS or say that they're wrong but not scum? That doesn't seem super helpful to me.

In post 1430, Grib wrote:Posts like these are great. Try to get some scumreads and be helpful, or you will be lynched probably in the near future.

My scum reads haven't really changed and the wagons aren't going to be derailed at this point. Heat seems opportunistic and Nero has posted more than Zymf but I agree that they accused me of doing something scummy and then did the same thing.

pignash · Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:52 pm

In post 1536, Heat wrote:
In post 1468, pignash wrote:
In post 1430, Grib wrote:What changed your read on Heat?

Post 795, mostly.

In post 1468, pignash wrote:
Heat seems opportunistic

so like wanna explain a bit more on this because im very curious as to why that changed your read

I didn't say that in 1468 but that is why my read changed. Seemed to jump on the pistachio wagon with an excuse immediately why you wouldn't be here to defend it.

pignash · Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:54 pm

In post 1537, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1533, Nero Cain wrote:lets play a fun game

lets name things that are bigger than Titus' ego.

the universe

An ant.

Seriously, though, can we stop bickering over this crap and lynch pig?

Dwlee99 wrote:But pig is scum.

Where is this coming from? And just because you repeat yourself doesn't make it true.

pignash · Post Post #1544 (isolation #16) » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:06 pm

I am town reading both slots.

AJ has defended himself without throwing scum reads out willy nilly trying to deflect.

Pistachion hasn't done anything to really clear himself but I just have an issue with a wagon forming mostly because one player yells loud enough, and over and over.

pignash · Post Post #1552 (isolation #17) » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:19 pm

In post 763, Dwlee99 wrote:Let's lynch pistachio.

In post 793, Dwlee99 wrote:Just vote Stachion with me RC.

In post 843, Dwlee99 wrote:So you'll lynch stachi with us, titus?

In post 848, Dwlee99 wrote:yea let's lynch stachio.

In post 857, Dwlee99 wrote:You should vote pistachio, titus.

In post 903, Dwlee99 wrote:Stop getting distracted, we're lynching stachi0n.

In post 909, Dwlee99 wrote:That's not slipping. >.<

Ughhhhh I just want to lynch stachi0nnnnnnn

In post 914, Dwlee99 wrote:LYNCH THE NUT!!

In post 1055, Dwlee99 wrote:The stach is scum. No doubt. The question is zymf.

In post 1077, Dwlee99 wrote:Lets lynch the nut.

In post 1130, Dwlee99 wrote:Yea lets lynch the nut ^-^

"Active" scumhunting.

pignash · Post Post #1563 (isolation #18) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:01 am

Just...no.

pignash · Post Post #1669 (isolation #19) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:50 am

This I can get behind. My read on him has changed so...

VOTE: mario

pignash · Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:01 pm

It wasn't a slot I was town reading. Did the scum chat say I was a good mislynch target today? Pretty much no one gave reasoning for Mario, it was a flash lynch.

Wouldn't it be easier for scum to lay off the wagon and hope for a no lynch? I think you're more likely to find scum not voting or staying on the previous wagons than on the Mario wagon.

Pedit: hahahahaha

pignash · Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:11 pm

No, are you purposely misreading me? I was townreading the other two wagons. I was not townreading him. Flip gave town more information. I stand by my vote.

pignash · Post Post #1732 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:39 pm

In post 1712, Shinobi wrote:
In post 1711, pignash wrote:No, are you purposely misreading me? I was townreading the other two wagons. I was not townreading him. Flip gave town more information. I stand by my vote.

Aside from the fact that these aren't actual reasons, this isn't even what you said in the first place.
You said, AND I QUOTE:

In post 1669, pignash wrote:This I can get behind. My read on him has changed so...

VOTE: mario

You said your read changed - this implies a townread or, at the very least, a reason not to lynch him which was never stated or explained.
Not only did you not explain how you came to that conclusion in the first place, you ALSO said that it changed which implies that you had reason to scumread, which you've already contradicted by saying you simply "nothing'd" the slot.

My read originally was that it was a wagon to get us out of RVS that didn't really hold any merit but when he didn't come out at deadline and hoped for the day to end like Titus articulated better than I could, I thought he could be scum.

pignash · Post Post #1788 (isolation #23) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:17 am

Dwlee, do you still think I'm scum?

pignash · Post Post #1790 (isolation #24) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:44 am

I have a fairly solid town read on Titus as well. I think that Titus v Elyse is a little bit of a false dichotomy. Not certain 1 for sure is scum.

pignash · Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:40 pm

@mod V/LA through Sunday. Busy holiday weekend, sorry guys.

pignash · Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:35 pm

I'm back guys.

Elyse, I'm pretty sure Titus is town. Is there anyone else that is scummy to you?

pignash · Post Post #2057 (isolation #27) » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:08 pm

In post 2053, Espeonage wrote:
In post 2050, Dwlee99 wrote:Wanna just lynch pistachi0n, titus and elyse?

Hello, one of those things is confirmed town.

Believe he is asking these two if they want to lynch pistachion

pignash · Post Post #2105 (isolation #28) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:29 pm

In post 1732, pignash wrote:
In post 1712, Shinobi wrote:
In post 1711, pignash wrote:No, are you purposely misreading me? I was townreading the other two wagons. I was not townreading him. Flip gave town more information. I stand by my vote.

Aside from the fact that these aren't actual reasons, this isn't even what you said in the first place.
You said, AND I QUOTE:

In post 1669, pignash wrote:This I can get behind. My read on him has changed so...

VOTE: mario

You said your read changed - this implies a townread or, at the very least, a reason not to lynch him which was never stated or explained.
Not only did you not explain how you came to that conclusion in the first place, you ALSO said that it changed which implies that you had reason to scumread, which you've already contradicted by saying you simply "nothing'd" the slot.

My read originally was that it was a wagon to get us out of RVS that didn't really hold any merit but when he didn't come out at deadline and hoped for the day to end like Titus articulated better than I could, I thought he could be scum.

While we're quoting ourselves without adding anything substantive...

pignash · Post Post #2182 (isolation #29) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:06 am

Stop it. You're not lynching me today.

Let's lynch Dave so we can someTimes somewhere useful. Get to her backup plan.

pignash · Post Post #2185 (isolation #30) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:44 am

Because I'm not scum.

Town.

pignash · Post Post #2191 (isolation #31) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:20 am

Characterizing me as whining isn't really what I'm doing. I'm expressing frustration that I'm an easy mislynch. I am fairly sure story's is town and she thinks Dave is scum so I am willing to go with that. I was ISOing Heat yesterday cuz something seemed off but nothing jumped off the page as "I'm scummy!"

pignash · Post Post #2193 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:35 am

I'm engaged. I've read the whole thread. And ISOed several people. I lean town on you and dwlee but it's not set in stone. Shinobi has been going for me since yesterday so I don't think he's being opportunistic.

Nero is Zymf and I was scum reading that slot. He's done a good job since but I think that slot is still suspicious.

Shiro I don't have a good handle on.

pignash · Post Post #2197 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:17 am

People on my wagon

pignash · Post Post #2200 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:18 am

Story=Titus which is why I'm not following Elyse.

pignash · Post Post #2202 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:22 am

People are on my wagon to punish not talking enough. I think that's good in theory but I just don't have a lot of good scum reads yet.

pignash · Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:57 pm

Hey Dwlee, I'm good with voting pistachio now.

pignash · Post Post #2251 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:29 pm

In post 2245, pistachi0n wrote:I played a game with scum Titus, she got in a very heated 1v1. She's not acting like that now, or at least not to that degree, but there was a little hint of it with Nero.

Non committal, but still throwing shade. Seems scummy to me.

pignash · Post Post #2253 (isolation #38) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:01 pm

Unrelated?

VOTE: pistachi0n

pignash · Post Post #2257 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:52 pm

In post 2254, pistachi0n wrote:Unrelated to what?

I said you were noncommittal about Titus and then you started talking about AJ.

pignash · Post Post #2270 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:46 pm

Let's do him first please.

pignash · Post Post #2285 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:06 pm

In post 2277, Titus wrote:
In post 2276, Shinobi wrote:
In post 2267, Grib wrote:Also, remember the large-ish wagon on Mario earlier in the game?

MarioManiac4 (6):
Grib
,
Elyse
,
Frozen Angel
, Aj The Epic,
Dwlee99
,
RadiantCowbells

From my POV, that's three townfirms, one strong townread, a townlean, and an unknown.

Kinda want that unknown dead.

VOTE: Aj The Epic

fake edit: can you elaborate? Is it all the fluff, or something else?

I don't like this post.

Why not?

Because my wagon is going to dissipate and he'll need to hop somewhere else. My townread on Shinobi is getting chipped away.

pignash · Post Post #2407 (isolation #42) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:52 am

Hi everyone, should have said I was V/LA yesterday but it seems like pretty much everyone was. Are we going to get this Pistachion wagon going full force?

pignash · Post Post #2412 (isolation #43) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:06 am

I don't get it either.

pignash · Post Post #2415 (isolation #44) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:11 am

So are you drawing any conclusions from that? Because I don't see anything particularly useful.

pignash · Post Post #2728 (isolation #45) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:05 am

Mass claim time? Who all got abilities from Titus and what could they do? This is multi ball yes?

pignash · Post Post #2751 (isolation #46) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:36 am

Frozen what did you claim again?

pignash · Post Post #2759 (isolation #47) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:44 am

Not scum Shiro.

If you claimed that right before an odd night why didn't you get killed? I understand getting Titus if you think she is a pr (which she was) but the Grib kill makes no sense as a vig shot. So one faction shot him instead of you.

FOS: Frozen

pignash · Post Post #2764 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:52 am

Wait what FA?

Commuters can't get shot on the nights they commute. So if you are an even night commuter, why not shoot you on an odd night (3) to get rid of a semi-confirmed town? If it's multi ball, too many townies is bad for them.

pignash · Post Post #2768 (isolation #49) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:55 am

Titus consistently backed me up as town. You reading the thread FA? Problem is it's a vanilla cop, not a town cop. Drixx could be vanilla scum/werewolf.

pignash · Post Post #2770 (isolation #50) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:58 am

They don't kill Elyse so that can kill you FA, since you're unavailable till night 5. Why they don't do that is what doesn't make sense. And them not killing Elyse seems like you setting up being able to point out they were hunting the cop-ish role.

pignash · Post Post #2780 (isolation #51) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:07 am

Hrrrmmm trying to figure out night kills if this is multi ball. Will take a look at it now.

FA I really don't buy your actions right now but you could be not scum. Just confused why grib got shot instead of you or Elyse.

pignash · Post Post #2784 (isolation #52) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:22 am

I'm not scum. Shiro, how did you get your cop result on Dave? Titus didn't have a rolecop to hand out.

pignash · Post Post #2788 (isolation #53) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:43 am

I am reading. So that means there is probably an amnesiac. I thought shiro got confirmed vanilla because Titus gave him a role cop 1 shot. But that means we still don't know who killed aj.

pignash · Post Post #2790 (isolation #54) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:50 am

Stop face palming. I thought the aj kill was the only one we knew for sure was a Dave's faction kill. Was hoping to gain insight there.

pignash · Post Post #2798 (isolation #55) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:18 am

We don't know that now. I thought shiro would have watched Dave kill him and that's how we know.

pignash · Post Post #2802 (isolation #56) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:21 am

What?

pignash · Post Post #2804 (isolation #57) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:24 am

pignash · Post Post #2806 (isolation #58) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:27 am

Not changing my story. Sorry mis spoke with role cop. Meant not vanilla cop. The watcher is what he would have gotten from Titus if that's what happened.

pignash · Post Post #2808 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:32 am

WE DON'T!

I THOUGHT THATS WHY HE KNEW DAVE WAS SCUM, BUT THAT ISNT WHAT HAPPENED

pignash · Post Post #2811 (isolation #60) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:15 am

Nosferatu is Nero. People think that slot is scummy

pignash · Post Post #2813 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:25 am

I'm not sold on it personally, I did think zymf was scummy but it's been two game days and two players since then.

pignash · Post Post #2815 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:51 am

Nero's entrance was good. I need to reread some of the last couple days.

pignash · Post Post #2890 (isolation #63) » Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:07 am

Pisskop, you are frozen right?

pignash · Post Post #2895 (isolation #64) » Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:50 am

No, Elyse. We need to find the other 2 town people. Assuming this is multi ball. Which seems like a good possibility.

PK, no one likes me in this game. Not just Fire.

pignash · Post Post #2898 (isolation #65) » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:26 am

Don't know. Guessing that if it's 2 scum teams, there's 1 of 1 and 1 of 3, so there are 4 townies. I am one, you are one. Who are the other 2? If we trust Frozen's claim, PK is one. Not sure on the other.

pignash · Post Post #2921 (isolation #66) » Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:59 pm

Nope. Should I claim?

pignash · Post Post #2926 (isolation #67) » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:50 am

Is socialist/joat/cop/doctor too much town power for a large?

pignash · Post Post #2946 (isolation #68) » Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:48 am

But I believe that town bloc doesn't include me and I'm town. There's a reason Titus gave me a pass without much from me.

pignash · Post Post #2971 (isolation #69) » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:31 pm

In post 2182, pignash wrote:Stop it. You're not lynching me today.

Let's lynch Dave so we can someTimes somewhere useful. Get to her
backup
plan.

@pisskop
Bolded backup this time. I am the backup socialist. Drixx got his present from me.

So it is Nos or Espe?

pignash · Post Post #2983 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:00 am

Fb, do you think shiro and espe are pulling a gambit here to vote out nos?

pignash · Post Post #2986 (isolation #71) » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:23 am

That's my answer. She immediately started townreading me after that. It's a crumb. If you don't buy it, sure but it's true.

pignash · Post Post #2997 (isolation #72) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:54 pm

Yeah not me shiro

pignash · Post Post #3102 (isolation #73) » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:02 pm

I definitely got vanilla on drixx. Don't know if he is SK or not. Don't think it's a second faction when we had 2 votes on two players.

Shiro is best kill today I think.

pignash · Post Post #3109 (isolation #74) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:40 am

I confirmed it PK

pignash · Post Post #3171 (isolation #75) » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:45 am

Because you're not vanilla.

pignash · Post Post #3187 (isolation #76) » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:23 am

Watching pk and shiro and deciding Elyse.

pignash · Post Post #3192 (isolation #77) » Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:46 am

Drixx, what were you sent before? Who did you use it on? I sent you the RB because you made reference to receiving something from Titus earlier in the game. What happened with that?

pignash · Post Post #3199 (isolation #78) » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:04 am

Dammit. I don't know what to do. Closed setups are so murky and I definitely don't have setup spec in my arsenal yet. Both seem likely anti-town but I believed fa's claim and I don't buy shiros

Should I hammer Shiro or give intent so we can get a last reads list?

pignash · Post Post #3201 (isolation #79) » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:41 am

Hrrmmm. My problem is o think lynching PK might not be safe. Could be an Espe Shiro x second scum team. Am I crazy?

pignash · Post Post #3202 (isolation #80) » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:45 am

No that team hammers pk anyway. Damnit fine.

VOTE: pisskop

I screw us?

pignash · Post Post #3205 (isolation #81) » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:38 am

pignash · Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:35 am

No I thought you were vanilla. I just forgot what you'd gotten.

pignash · Post Post #3236 (isolation #83) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:00 pm

I'm out of things to hand out drixx. Firebringer is vanilla but that could be goon or VT.

pignash · Post Post #3238 (isolation #84) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:26 pm

I'm fine with this. Do we buy espe at this point?

pignash · Post Post #3240 (isolation #85) » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:55 pm

But FB first either way? Because that's where I lean as well.

pignash · Post Post #3247 (isolation #86) » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:23 am

Fb, if there are two scum, why haven't they hammered you yet?

pignash · Post Post #3249 (isolation #87) » Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:55 am

It's been long enough. We're either not in LYLO or you're scum or both.

VOTE: firebringer

pignash · Post Post #3263 (isolation #88) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:25 am

Well this is easy.

VOTE: espeonage

pignash · Post Post #3265 (isolation #89) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:32 am

I was the backup town socialist. I gave out things and confirmed drixx and firebringer as vanilla, espe is not vanilla. He has abilities and must not be town aligned.

pignash · Post Post #3267 (isolation #90) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:50 pm

In post 3236, pignash wrote:I'm out of things to hand out drixx. Firebringer is vanilla but that could be goon or VT.

Here before he flipped.

pignash · Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:15 am

I only had the role blocker left when I took over from Titus. I gave that to drixx the first night. I can just check now.

pignash · Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:16 am

In post 3236, pignash wrote:I'm out of things to hand out drixx. Firebringer is vanilla but that could be goon or VT.

pignash · Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:28 am

I confirmed he was vanilla. I'm still a vanilla cop even though I don't have anything else to hand out. He's quit trying. We've won.

pignash · Post Post #3279 (isolation #94) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:52 pm

OK this should be simple Elyse. Let's win this thing please.

pignash · Post Post #3310 (isolation #95) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:37 pm

Yay! Did you catch my crumb Titus? I saw yours so I knew you were town.

pignash · Post Post #3318 (isolation #96) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:21 pm

I wasn't thrilled about lynching you FB, but there didn't seem to be a downside when there was no quick hammer.

pignash · Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:25 am

My scum read of FA was my first accurate one as town. I almost went against it and let PK live but I'm glad I decided otherwise.