NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)

[Zulfy]

/confirm

[Zulfy]

VOTE: I Am Innocent

indeed you are

Chance this is scum being cheeky
VOTE: Lobster

[Zulfy]

just went "fuck it" and threw a vote down.

+1

[Zulfy]

Putting pressure on almost50 or ika is pretty useless in my opinion.

We need to put pressure on a player so as to see not only the reactions of the people around the wagon but the player being pressured as well.
Cuz we're going to get the former no matter what so we might as well go for the most info possible with the latter.

And with ika, who seems like he's gonna have a very hollow playstyle, or almost50, who seems to have a strange way of going about playing this thing, I don't think we're gonna get too much outta either when we pressure them.

Pedit: Robster I'm not really seeing why you have a problem with Keyser's post.

[Zulfy]

Then again I wouldn't want an Almost50 in lylo.
Oog
I hope you know what you're doing sir

[Zulfy]

Lobster that was RVS come on now

[Zulfy]

I put Robster but phone changes it to Lobster

[Zulfy]

@Xk, anyone else really Idk I am still looking

[Zulfy]

just went "fuck it" and threw a vote down.

+1

Care to elaborate on that?

\
Scumping. Feel like it could be JJD proactively shutting off any criticism of kyu's trite little comment.

Just a scumping JJD.

VOTE: I Am Innocent

indeed you are

Chance this is scum being cheeky
VOTE: Lobster

Explain this one to me.

Just RVS, it would be humorous if Robster was scum and said that I am innocent is innocent, as scum would know that.

Page 1-5 catchup.
Not much to go on for me.

[Zulfy]

Why are you theory talking and soft defending two people already?

This was the best contribution I could come up with at that stage of the game.

Putting pressure on almost50 or ika is pretty useless in my opinion.

We need to put pressure on a player so as to see not only the reactions of the people around the wagon but the player being pressured as well.
Cuz we're going to get the former no matter what so we might as well go for the most info possible with the latter.

And with ika, who seems like he's gonna have a very hollow playstyle, or almost50, who seems to have a strange way of going about playing this thing, I don't think we're gonna get too much outta either when we pressure them.

Pedit: Robster I'm not really seeing why you have a problem with Keyser's post.

If you think pressuring Almost50 or ika will be less revealing than someone else, then who do you suggest we pressure?

Already answered by Keyser, somebody more active/less strange.
It would have been at this point that I would have voted you, just for the reaction, but I'm too late for that now.

Anti-town on the surface. I think the chances of him being scum are slimmer than what I previously had in mind. Why would a third party scum do that? Could he be a PR role and lying about being VT in order to lead scum away from trying to kill him? Is he trying to identify scum that might latch onto him?

I took a step back because I could see newb-town Almost50 messing his VT roleclaim up like this. It would be a very bold move as a scum-gambit (from an inexperienced player) - as it brings immediate focus/attention to his slot. Experienced scum do not actively create WIFOM on their slot to this degree this early.

It's my view that needlessly creating WIFOM is ALWAYS scummy, but this is almost50, and he's really weirding me out so Idk

Responses to me voting for ika

Spoiler:

Back to this.

VOTE: ika

ok im off to work.

ika's not at home...

Putting pressure on almost50 or ika is pretty useless in my opinion.

We need to put pressure on a player so as to see not only the reactions of the people around the wagon but the player being pressured as well.
Cuz we're going to get the former no matter what so we might as well go for the most info possible with the latter.

And with ika, who seems like he's gonna have a very hollow playstyle, or almost50, who seems to have a strange way of going about playing this thing, I don't think we're gonna get too much outta either when we pressure them.

Pedit: Robster I'm not really seeing why you have a problem with Keyser's post.

"she obviously believes that pressuring ika could give us good insight"

Yes, pressure on all slots is productive. As I said, this game is built on interactions. I just found it amusing that SilverWolf placed her vote on a player who just signed off to work (it's pressure, not not real pressure).

I was interested in hearing her notes on ika's scum meta. I.e does scum-ika react a certain way to naked votes on his slot while he is at work

Happy with my vote where it is.

The idea that ika requires pressure to be sorted is nonsensical. His alignment becomes glaringly obvious as the game goes on regardless.

I love all these responses to me voting for ika. I've also already explained why I'm doing it and what I think of his meta. There's def scum in here defending him if he's town and if he's scum, likely a scumbuddy in here.

ika-reads?

Keyser-reads?

[/quote]

This seems like some species of omgus, you may be right about things but it's better to try to convince others of that instead of dismissing them as possible scum

[Zulfy]

These tags man

[Zulfy]

@zulf

scumping = scum ping?

Nope, not at all, I don't know where you get that idea/s Yea, that's it

if so then can u clarify? I gave you a scum ping by my analysis of Xkfs "fuck it" vote?

Yep. Seemed to me like he went out of his way to show that he didn't caaaare and your reaction to that seemed strange.

[Zulfy]

Oh RC is in here hiya

[Zulfy]

@Xk, anyone else really Idk I am still looking

Also, why would you try to talk us out of pressuring ika and Almost50, when you yourself don't have any preference other than those two? Surely, it's better to be pressuring someone (what we were already doing), than to be pressuring no one (what you seem to want us to do).

I'm a fan of "things could be better" over "things could be worse"

@JarJar: So you won't let go even after I role claimed. This makes you either scum or a very misguided town who will not be too beneficial to town on the long run.

UNVOTE: BlackStar

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

You're continued beating of the already very much dead horse is preventing the town from scumhunting elsewhere. There's NOTHING to be found here when I have stated, repeated and further reasserted my will to be the lynch of the day some 7-10 days later on. If you're going to spend a whole week inspecting my case and mine alone then I'm not sure my initial read on you was spot on (I'm getting well used to including scum in my initial town reads, so this doesn't at all surprise me).

In fact; at this point I'm willing to accept 15 other votes on me w/o considering it being scummy. Yours, and YOURS ALONE is the one vote I'd consider to be a STRONG SCUM TELL if you do cast it on me.

+1
Still gotta read the page after this but this seems like scum trying to act more like a newbie than they actually are.

[Zulfy]

"what is your opinion on everyone else that is both on and off your wagon?" is such a garbage question this early into the game.

I really don't agree giving that yo have already formed opinions of atleast 2 (or 3 if you count IAI) players.

Right. I formed opinions on TWO or THREE players. He's asking for my opinion on EVERYONE ELSE. How could I po1ssibly have an opinion on that many people?

Like I can understand asking about others ON the wagon. But on and OFF the wagon?

I agree with you. I think its weird that people are already asking what you think of everyone.

I had only asked since you did have some ideas flowing. Sure it was far to early to have reads on everyone, but you stated some about people who were on and off your wagon. Not everyone sure, but some.

+1

Responses to me voting for ika

Spoiler:

Back to this.

VOTE: ika

ok im off to work.

ika's not at home...

Putting pressure on almost50 or ika is pretty useless in my opinion.

We need to put pressure on a player so as to see not only the reactions of the people around the wagon but the player being pressured as well.
Cuz we're going to get the former no matter what so we might as well go for the most info possible with the latter.

And with ika, who seems like he's gonna have a very hollow playstyle, or almost50, who seems to have a strange way of going about playing this thing, I don't think we're gonna get too much outta either when we pressure them.

Pedit: Robster I'm not really seeing why you have a problem with Keyser's post.

"she obviously believes that pressuring ika could give us good insight"

Yes, pressure on all slots is productive. As I said, this game is built on interactions. I just found it amusing that SilverWolf placed her vote on a player who just signed off to work (it's pressure, not not real pressure).

I was interested in hearing her notes on ika's scum meta. I.e does scum-ika react a certain way to naked votes on his slot while he is at work

Happy with my vote where it is.

The idea that ika requires pressure to be sorted is nonsensical. His alignment becomes glaringly obvious as the game goes on regardless.

I love all these responses to me voting for ika. I've also already explained why I'm doing it and what I think of his meta. There's def scum in here defending him if he's town and if he's scum, likely a scumbuddy in here.

ika-reads?

Keyser-reads?

So basically what you're saying is that, regardless of ika's alignment, you believe one of {Keyser, Zulfy, Ricastle} is scum?

Yes

For the record, I think you're probably right.

Please explain what part of his argument has convinced you

[Zulfy]

v/la for, let's say two days

Really wanna play but not feeling too good right now. Give me some time

[Zulfy]

Yea idk what that was

[Zulfy]

UNVOTE:

[Zulfy]

Mod I am really sorry but I gotta be replaced out

[Zulfy]

Request rescinded

[Zulfy]

ISO'd RC.
RC votes Ricastle for saying that RC is a bad town player (See me, I'm not very impressed by Ricastle's skill myself)
RC votes Ricastle (presumably) for the stuff Ricastle says on page 19, as he had his vote parked on the laughing anime gif person before that. I see that stuff as classic Ricastle but can see how RC would do that, he is RC.

No pings on RC.

[Zulfy]

I fear this is bad play by town-ika. If scum-ika has fakeclaimed, he has no long-term strategy, as the real seer would inevitably counter-claim/flip.

In other words, bad play by scum-ika. +1

[Zulfy]

Keyser being da best as always but

My only concern was his reachy interpretation of BlackStar's post as a scum-slip (post 96).

+1, I'm not seeing how this is much of a concern. I feel like you put this in here just because you felt you had an obligation to criticize JarJarDrinks in some way.

Spoiler: Memo to find out where this went

@Xkfyu - please explain why "one of {Keyser, Zulfy, Ricastle}" is "probably" scum. Why are you ruling out the possibility of town challenging town, or town challenging scum?

[Zulfy]

Didn't like blacks #73 much. Could be shadowing scum.

+1, reaching

I think he's prob scum trying to out the real seer.

This feels like town WIFOM

Wait just a second there was never a need to counterclaim ika +1.
By the way now you're giving the ika slot some space? What are you doing here Nero?

Stop fighting over trivial shit and work together so that we can figure out who is scum

^scum

Explain this

you didn't ask me to explain, you asked me some nonsensical "how do I know" bullshit.

You are better than this that's not town +1

there's going to be a chorus of people that say "its empty stop trying to lynch it!"

Am I mistaken in thinking that this is your approach to the ika slot?

[Zulfy]

Rough week all, just found out my dad might have prostate cancer. So yeah my head really ain't into this right now.

I'll be thinking of you, Innocent.
No pings on this one. In fact I think I'm not gonna spend too much time paying attention to Innocent for now.

[Zulfy]

That's it for today I think. This game looks like it's gonna be interesting. I am actually excited again.

[Zulfy]

Or they are the same person/know each other offline.

The wolf avatars make me suspect that.

[Zulfy]

Masquerade/Phantom Cobalt

Null, but I gotta go down the list, you know?

[Zulfy]

Spoiler:

Reads for now:

Town {RC, Almost}
Townlean {ika, xkfyu}
Null {Zulfy, Keyser, I Am Innocent, Bebop, Blackstar, Albert, BlueRose, PC, JarJar}
Scumlean {Nero Cain, Golden Robster, Ricastle}

Yeah I don't get at all why people think ika is scum.

Bebop, to touch on what you said about almost, I think this game feels different for him than the newbie game we played with him in, and I read him as town for now. I haven't seen a town game of his but this doesn't feel like a scum game.

^Everything of substance for SnarkySnowman.

Snarky could be doing better +2 for the lurking

[Zulfy]

fuxk you

Ohhhhh

[Zulfy]

Wait there's no o. Nevermind

[Zulfy]

Rhubarb Pie reminds me of myself.

Townmyself.

[Zulfy]

@JarJar: Actually; it IS alignment indicative (albeit a weak tell) especially in my case. If I was scum and knew there to be one of my associates in an inactive spot I would've -at least- waited a bit longer before I pointed it out. But your explanation makes perfect sense too.

Bad Bad post.


First off, telling us that his post IS alignment indicative. You don't get to give yourself townpoints dude.

Second, How in the world can it actually be alignment indicative when we have no idea if the inactives are scum? You seem to KNOW that you should be getting townpoints for recommending a policy lynch on scum.

Third, you say that if you were scum, you would have waited a bit longer. But why? If you were scum, wouldn't it make sense to do it earlier to "warn" ur buddy that he needs to start posting more? What does waiting gain you?

This really isn't working out for me.
See I thought I'd just go down a list ISOing everybody but it's very fatigue-inducing and demotivating.

So I'll instead focus on the first thing that comes to my mind, which is Nero Cain's fake claim. (According to himself)

[Zulfy]

+q, ignore the quote on the above post

[Zulfy]

See this is why I'm not sure about Almost. Like every post of his screams scum to me. But several of my scumreads don't jive w/ Almost as a scumbuddy.

JJ, why is bussing not a sufficient explanation?

[Zulfy]

No No No. His play is good. It's how scumhunting is done. If you are town then YOUR play is what's bad. Like unbelievably bad. Your whole "ignore me but feel free to vote me" spiel can only come from scum or absolutely terrible town.

Well, to each their own, brother. I'm not playing this game to anybody's standards but my own. As long as I'm not breaking THE RULES, then I'll do what I feel is in the best interest of the town regardless of whether they see it my way.

I'm here for you, Ostrich.

[Zulfy]

What lies have I told?

That you were seer +1

[Zulfy]

hypothetically assuming SS is scum it doesn't change the fact that his reads are trustworthy.

Scum need good reads in order to be townread.
Scum are in the best position to give good reads at day start.

[Zulfy]

Is seer just regular Cop?

[Zulfy]

Good morning

[Zulfy]

Could someone do me a gigantic favor and fill me in on the big stuff?

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Ricastle

[Zulfy]

Sorry I have been having trouble focusing.

Give me some time, just need a little time

[Zulfy]

Zulfy

In post 628, Zulfy wrote:
Explain this

If Black is scum he'd know mine and Ika's alignment. If Ika is town there is scum motivation in diffusing a TvT fight.

Of course, it would depend on what scum would try to achieve, but I would say that, more often than not, there would be more scum motivation in not diffusing a Town vs Town fight.

Would you care to respond to this?

I agree with x and disagree with you.

[Zulfy]

+1 on x, inactivity is not much to go off

[Zulfy]

Same thing, dont feint

[Zulfy]

I havent responded cuz I havent been active.

[Zulfy]

Nero's dagger is blunt

[Zulfy]

Firebringer is this going to last for the whole game?

[Zulfy]

Make your answer as condescending as you can, please

[Zulfy]

Copypasting cuz I'm a lazier slob than Firebringer.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7605893
We can't lynch almost50, he's hilarious


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7611343
No one had flipped at the time? This post makes zero sense to me.


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7610535
Self-fulfilling pressure. It's interesting to look at now.
Someone voted for Ric and he didn't react so someone votes for Ric and he didn't react so someone votes for Ric.
Shit wagon. Never sheeping RC ever again.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7605327
ha

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7609635
Ric Firebringer Blackstar and I (grrr, says x) all on the same page here.
Voting Ric for voting you is shit tho +1

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7608031
zero. ZERO reason to softclaim

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7607994
How could you like RC after the loweswt-effort ricastle tunnel ever? +1

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7606284
Pisskop seems like he's anything but aggressive right now. Am I misunderstanding +1

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7605751
+666

Blackstar looks opportunistic with me, omgus yeayea but +1


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7613687

You serious? Make your case, if I'm such a strong scumread

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7613659
What are you even talking about?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7613618
How could you know this?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7605488
Pretty useless post here Rob +1

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7598859
"You can't possibly expect that response to fly, can you?"
Why does it matter? Are you scumreading him for it?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7599277
I disagree, x can keep doing what he's doing. (grrr, x)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7601678
No excuse. The objective is to identify scummy +1


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7601703
Nero, you didn't reply to this.

Hypocrisy +1
Jarjar not following up on it +1

[Zulfy]

Until I get my way.

I'll help you out. What would you like?

[Zulfy]

Sorry I already used up my blind sheeping excuse.

[Zulfy]

^+1 for lazy entrance.

[Zulfy]

Those are my stances. I am light on my feet.

[Zulfy]

How's this: almost50 is not getting lynched.

[Zulfy]

I forgot you were ika slot.
You should probs mentioned that next time.

Deja vu ooooooo

[Zulfy]

VOTE: BlueRose

[Zulfy]

Hes conftown. gdi you guys cant be this dense.

Just because hes conftown doesent mean hes right.

What even is this

[Zulfy]

+1 on RapidCanyon, not paying attention to his own votes

[Zulfy]

What a snooze fest.

Antiguo town proposals masquerading as impatience/player apathy.

Plus one.

[Zulfy]

What a snooze fest.

Anti town proposals masquerading as impatience/player apathy.

Plus one.

[Zulfy]

How new is Snarky?

Seems to me like he should know better.

Plus.


One.

[Zulfy]

Are you trying to break the record for # of stupid posts per game?

Tryna discredit me without putting up an actual argument.

TBF I don't have a TR on Zulfy.

What is your read on him?

nullish-scum, mostly scum.

Explain.

[Zulfy]

Besides, he shares my desire to shut Nero up.

Hey me too, but keep an eye out.

[Zulfy]

Explain

56 you thought someone throwing down a rvs vote was scummy
146 dident even explain why you gave +1
and if you think someone is scummy, lynch them and pressure them, dont just say "+1" and move on.

56 you read wrong, I didnt like how JJD decided that that was townie

My playstyle is how it is, you not liking it does not make me scum.

Who are you prepared to lynch?

[Zulfy]

so according to your playstyle, you can take a post, call it scummy, and not explain why?

Where do I need to explain?

[Zulfy]

viewtopic.php?p=7613618#p7613618
How could you know this?

'cause I am actually reading the the game.

Right, that was the question. How do you know? Where did you find that out?

viewtopic.php?p=7601678#p7601678
No excuse. The objective is to identify scummy +1

???? ok? Like I think Piss is scum and Piss is asking me why I am not asking him his reads and any reads from a scumslot are WIFOM and you are saying that I'm not trying to identify scummy behavior? Like WTF? How does THAT have anything to do with the current conversation? I'd lynch you just for saying the most mind boggling dumb things I've ever seen but I could pretty easily see scum motivation in it as well.

[Zulfy]

^im saying youre using "oh it's WIFOM so why bother" as a lame excuse and I dont like it.

Not understanding my point? Ask for clarification, tryna discredit me the way you are is at best lazy as hell

[Zulfy]

No

[Zulfy]

Nero u r ignoring me

[Zulfy]

I think Zulfy trying to play us against one another is scum motivated.

That has never happened

[Zulfy]

Those are my stances. I am light on my feet.

[Zulfy]

I'm just still distrustful about this whole "seer" business.

+1, looking like something scum would think scum would never say

[Zulfy]

No town reads on no one.

RapidCanyon has discredited himself

[Zulfy]

Thats just how it is Nero, no town reads. Everyone null or scumlean.

What deal?

[Zulfy]

Thats just how it is Nero, no town reads. Everyone null or scumlean.

What deal?

so you think nobody is town?

+1

Next post will be scoreboard.*

*(No guarantee)

[Zulfy]

Was this not a town read on IAI?

No scumpings ist nicht eine townlean

[Zulfy]

Prodded. Today Sunday February 7 is crazy. Monday Zulfy will rise again

[Zulfy]

VOTE: BlackStar

[Zulfy]

Then vote nero what r u doin

[Zulfy]

Then vote nero what r u doin

Still waiting on that scoreboard thing

Can't deal with it

[Zulfy]

Mod please replacements me out

[Zulfy]

I couldn't have handled this.