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VOTE: Frozen Angel
No longer RVS, I don't like this post.
In post 17, Fro99er wrote:
VOTE: davesaz
This seems like an unusual opening from you from all one time I've played with you.
Examples?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 26, Fro99er wrote:Cool, Aero is probtown.
Also I remembered wrong about davesaz. Only game I played was open 614 where he caught up several pages into the game, so I haven't seen davesaz RVS
VOTE: Frozen Angel
In post 29, Dwlee99 wrote:Crap I forgot to cite my reason for voting cow as OMGUS. You guys figured it out anyway, though.
VOTE: Frozen
Sheeping Aero.
So basically me saying "I don't like this post" was enough for two people to park their vote on this wagon. Fro99er and Dweel need to be looked into next, but I sort of like this wagon for now.
In post 38, DeathNote wrote:
OMGUS can be alignment indicative imo. People let their emotions fly more often if they are mafia because they want to avoid being attacked at all costs. OMGUS is a way to defend against being attacked. Dwlee didn't OMGUS from what I saw, he matched a joke vote with another joke vote.
FA could be scum.
I only find OMGUS to be allignment indicative when there's bullshit attached; example: Player B votes Player A, and then player A turns around and tries to pin some other contrived reason onto them.
That's why I felt and feel as if FA just yelling OMGUS and parking her vote was pretty sus.
In post 45, pisskop wrote:In post 33, davesaz wrote:In post 29, Dwlee99 wrote:Crap I forgot to cite my reason for voting cow as OMGUS. You guys figured it out anyway, though.
VOTE: Frozen
Sheeping Aero.
Has Aero done something that makes him sheep worthy?
He's aero
Truuuuuu
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In post 78, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 75, Keyser Söze wrote:
Why overreact on something that is not?
How many votes is not serious?
Is there enough solid reasons on your wagon to 'make it a fast wagon and get over with it'?
I never overreacted to something that is not. I didn't even voted him because of OMGUS. It was RVS and I did something to gain intel. (one of my misterious tests!) and some people overreacted to it because they can't see further than their noses!
But Nero in the other hand questioned me about what I did and stated "I feel good about my vote" , well that's not a reason for joining a wagon.
and I said its getting sirious (that means we're out of RVS - lets start a valid conversation)
and I never said there is. I asked for them and he couldn't give me even one.
I feel good about my vote
What are your top three scum reads right now and why?
In post 87, pisskop wrote:There was my first unstinct to place out when you posted. You dont need to rvs me, youll be votng me because the liver has a knot anyway
I actually have zero idea what anything in this post means
In post 88, Dwlee99 wrote:RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?
Why is RC scum?
In post 90, Dwlee99 wrote:Because her vote on me. She should know better.
Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.
In post 91, Fro99er wrote:In post 82, RadiantCowbells wrote:You scumread him for doing a weird RVS vote without ever having seen him do an RVS vote?
Right. But I was right in that I DIDN'T remember him making an opening like that. I just misremembered I hadn't seen him make an opening at all.
Would scum me really be that lazy on post one?
Yea.
Also, starting a sentence with "would I do X as scum?" Makes for pretty good WIFOM.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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VOTE: Fro99er
I don't like that as soon as I say that I'm suspicious of you and another person, you immediately vote the other person.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 113, Fro99er wrote:Pisskop....What's your take on me so far?
Why so worried about what pisskop thinks of you? You know your allignment. Why not ask about what pisskop thinks of others?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 116, Fro99er wrote:In post 112, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 111, Fro99er wrote:Aero might actually be scum.
He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.
link meta
Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512
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In post 121, pisskop wrote:Why do you think he asked me about himself, aero? I want to know your actual line of logic here.
The question is, why ask about yourself? What does he gain from that information wise?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 128, Fro99er wrote:In post 124, Aeronaut wrote:In post 121, pisskop wrote:Why do you think he asked me about himself, aero? I want to know your actual line of logic here.
The question is, why ask about yourself? What does he gain from that information wise?
I gain a ton of information asking what pisskop thinks
No but why does it at all matter what he thinks about you though? Like YOU KNOW YOUR OWN ALIGNMENT so I legitimately don't get that.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 139, Frozen Angel wrote:SOMEONE TELL ME EXACTLY WHY THESE TWO STARTED TOWN READING EACH OTHER?
Because we've played together a few times before, and Fro99er is two very different people when he plays the game. Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 143, Fro99er wrote:For now, yes.
I am a bit concerned he realized that push was going nowhere and suddenly decided this push wasn't worth it.
But I townread him at the same time as he dropped it. Our posts were literally crossing cyberspace.
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In post 151, DeathNote wrote:However, I reach the last page and suddenly lost my desire to care because Mafia is a bullshit game. What's the point of playing if people can just meta read so hard? Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later) but the fact that the can just "townread" each other like that defeats the purpose for me. I can't get back into the meta of this game because I don't know enough of peoples meta.
Well, for me it depends on the way a meta read is presented. For example, awhile ago, someone said something like "RC knows my scum game, she should know better, this isn't my scum game". THAT, in my opinion, is sort of a bullshit excuse. When I gave my meta read on Fro99er, I sort of explained how I viewed him in both alignments, and then gave examples to two games which exemplified that well.
He's also sort of a special case, just in the fact that I don't feel like he could really "act" like his town meta, because he plays with a lot of emotion, and that sort of thing is really hard to fake without looking like pure bullshit.
He's not ruled out by any means. But as far as I'm concerned right now, he's town and I'm moving on.
ro99er has been acting more and more increasingly textbook scummy until about the breaking point when they town-read each other. A town player getting flustered because he knew another aggressive townie was going to push him, yeah I get that. It's a little bullshit though.
Do you get it, or is it bullshit? Pick one, because you're both casting shade into my argument, as well as sort of saying you're OK with it.
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In post 175, TheCow wrote:In post 173, DeathNote wrote:^cows last posts was a bunch of nothing. What was your intentions when you posted that?
Commentary on my thoughts while reading the thread to be used at a later date or so other people can get a more "emotional" kinda read on me. Also to bring my own thoughts into the fray, though not directly contributing to the discussion. I intend to bring my own shit to the table when I make a voting post. Whenever that is.
.... What?
In post 178, Wickedestjr wrote:Unvote. Vote: Aeronaut
You asked Dwlee for his reasoning. So why, when he gives his reasoning, do you discount it because it's personal knowledge rather than attempt to understand the reason itself? I think it's unreasonable that you would complain about the reasoning being un-relatable considering he only gave the reasoning because he was asked for it. Also, what does grossss mean in the context of a mafia game?In post 98, Aeronaut wrote:In post 88, Dwlee99 wrote:RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?
Why is RC scum?
In post 90, Dwlee99 wrote:Because her vote on me. She should know better.
Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.
grossss means that I thought the post was gross.
I'm discounting it because of what I already said in my post; His only real answer there was that "RC should know better". That's a silly argument, voting someone because you think they should know YOUR scum game.
Not sure why this matters. Even if you were scum, it still remains true that you acknowledged him vote hopping in another game where he was town - yet voted him for similar behavior here.In post 123, Aeronaut wrote:In post 116, Fro99er wrote:Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512
I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS
Voted him to observe the reaction here, not as a real argument. And I don't know if it's true of the rest of you, but if I'm scum in a game, yea, generally most of what I say isn't what I really believe. I guess I didn't really need to point it out.
Is this grossss?In post 145, Aeronaut wrote:Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.
Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?
Yea, but as I stated above, it'd be hard for him to fake that shit.
In post 193, DeathNote wrote:Why "most likely the latter" ?
Because two scum wouldn't do that?
In post 187, davesaz wrote:In post 172, DeathNote wrote:In post 162, davesaz wrote:In post 151, DeathNote wrote:However, I reach the last page and suddenly lost my desire to care because Mafia is a bullshit game. What's the point of playing if people can just meta read so hard? Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later) but the fact that the can just "townread" each other like that defeats the purpose for me. I can't get back into the meta of this game because I don't know enough of peoples meta.
What about the possibility that one is scum but knows his meta well enough to fake it, well enough to fool the other?
What about that would never work? Like who reasonably does that? Sure you can bus a partner but who has the gall to try and meta clear someone day 1?
That's not what I'm saying. A is scum but knows his meta well enough to fool town B into thinking he's town.
So I'm saying that Aero and Fro99er aren't necessarily the same alignment from that interaction, like you seemed to think.
Based off the interaction, is that what you think happened? I see two people who seemed to have convinced each other at the same time they were town. If meta were so easily broken, people wouldn't be trying to use it non-stop to convince others. Lets face it, Meta is the easiest way to get a solid read on someone if you honestly know their playstyle.
Hold on, weren't you complaining like two pages ago how much you think meta is bullshit? Yes, yes you were.
In post 198, Frozen Angel wrote:and I was reaction testing.
ummm no you were not.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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So this game started out so strong and now it's just this pile of boring bickering.
Page twelve is like a fight about what font size to use or something
In post 280, Fro99er wrote:In post 278, Dwlee99 wrote:Are you seriously going to paint me bolding stuff as being scum? Are you for fucking real?
So why are you bolder my after everyone else did?
And yes I'm serious.
My deciphering of this push is that Dwlee is doing the bolding because he's trying to fit in, as scum would. I get it, but it seems like kind of a stretch on it's own to me.
In post 281, Fro99er wrote:In post 94, Dwlee99 wrote:Also his vote hop.
They know how I am in RVS and they have seen my scum game. Their vote is awful.
In post 150, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 97, Fro99er wrote:In post 94, Dwlee99 wrote:Also his vote hop.
What's wrong with vote hopping?
It's opportunistic.
In post 144, Fro99er wrote:In post 114, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 111, Fro99er wrote:Aero might actually be scum.
He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.
"This is subjective and not in any way a real argument."
What?
Also, why you no answer my question?
I was quoting Aero.
Dwlee' original stance on vote hopping for the record
Again, a stretch.
In post 283, Dwlee99 wrote:
Such misrep much wow.
And fuck you, fro99er.
You want me to tell you why I bolded something? Ifeltand youcan'ttell me tostopbolding.
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In post 302, Dwlee99 wrote:Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.
Looking at his ISO, this is surprisingly really true. Looking into that after this post
In post 312, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 310, Wickedestjr wrote:
IIn post 302, Dwlee99 wrote:Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.amsomewhat lost. The only person that I suspect right now hasn't posted since I voted for him. Having said that, I asked each question for a reason and just because you don't see that reason doesn't mean I'm scum that's active-lurking...
What should I do instead?Dwlee99 wrote:Stop asking questions pls.
Find something to talk about.
Also I'm completely flipping my read on wicked to town.
Why is this? Nothing really changed since you just said he hadn't done anything/
In post 331, Keyser Söze wrote:Page 4.
In post 91, Fro99er wrote:Would scum me really be that lazy on post one?
Is this WIFOM necessary to defend yourself?
Page 5.
In post 128, Fro99er wrote:I gain a ton of information asking what pisskop thinks
Please can you share this "ton of information".
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In post 134, Fro99er wrote:Aero is probably town, because I don't think he, as someone I consider a MS friend, would make me this angry if he was scum who knew I was town.
Scum theatrics or frustrated townie?
Null for me.
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In post 177, Wickedestjr wrote:If RC is probably scum, then why are you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...
Valid point.
In post 178, Wickedestjr wrote:Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?
Good question.
UNVOTE: Zulfy
I'll be back.
In post 190, Nero Cain wrote:It feels like scum trying to be playful and integrate themselves into the game.
Have you seen any further evidence for this?
Could town be "playful" and trying to "integrate themselves into the game"?
This is a really barebones response to like 15 pages of game.
Also, are you inviting Zulfy because he decided to go V/LA? What sense does that make?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 175, TheCow wrote:In post 173, DeathNote wrote:^cows last posts was a bunch of nothing. What was your intentions when you posted that?
Commentary on my thoughts while reading the thread to be used at a later date or so other people can get a more "emotional" kinda read on me. Also to bring my own thoughts into the fray, though not directly contributing to the discussion. I intend to bring my own shit to the table when I make a voting post. Whenever that is.
In post 322, TheCow wrote:I don't know whats happening and I don't know if I like it.Im too tired for this shit. Why is everyone yelling?
Rereading and shit.
In post 325, TheCow wrote:ye dwlee is scummy ttttttttttttttbbbbbbbbbbbbbhhhhhhhhhhh
not sure if floundering vi or scummy-scum
In post 416, TheCow wrote:Imma sheep pk here. Looks like he knows what he's doing. I can't sort FA but I kinda want her dead t b h
In post 420, TheCow wrote:Chill out dude (ayyyyy). I think you're massively scummy but emotions have a tendency to fuzz up my scumdar if I don't have experience with the subject.
In post 423, TheCow wrote:No
In post 426, TheCow wrote:Pretty much everything about you pings me scum. From the theatrics and line breaks, to the overemotionalness. These things always ping me scum, but I can't sort it without experience with the player. Can we not spam up the thread so much?
This is TheCows whole ISO, for anyone who hasn't look at it yet. Posts 175 and 426 are the only ones that really even say anything, and even then it's all just kind of echoing what the rest of us are saying.
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Right now, I don't really know what to think about FA. In my mine, she could be just as easily flailing scum as frustrated town. I don't want to lynch her yet.
In post 433, pisskop wrote:Id feel awful bad if she was town, and until we talk this out Im only going to b second guessing my otherwise pretty honed sense.
This post is giving me the creeps for some reason. Putting it here to remind myself.
In post 448, RadiantCowbells wrote:That's not my point.
DN's post basically assumed that these meta townreads were unviolable confirmed townies. Why would he as town be mad that 2 people mutually confirmed themselves as townies (aka MASONS.)
This is an interesting theory. I hadn't thought about that. Don't you think it would be just as easy for him to just hate meta, though? Like, I feel like there are alotof people who despise meta reads more than he does.
In post 479, DeathNote wrote:I'm here, I had a busy night but was trying to read up over my phone. I'll place a vote in a second.
Why is it important that you have a vote down?
In post 493, DeathNote wrote:Whatever, there was already a moment in which I thought cow said something sketch and called him out on it. That's why I was willing to jump on that vote.
Point me to moment specifically, please.
This seems like one of these things you're going to keep saying to get out of scumhunting.
In post 498, pisskop wrote:Well, not all games end up like this. This particular mixture of players has a web of relationships to varying degrees. Players like apparently wake havent even said boo yet, but are ranked amoung the better players.
I *cough* would like to think I also rank up there, but I have a very playstyly playstyle.
Yea, it's a weird playerlist for sure.
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In post 518, Nosferatu wrote:In post 517, TheCow wrote:I should work on my communications skills.
Won't matter if you're not saying anything at all.
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In post 528, RadiantCowbells wrote:Uh, how are you scumreading Nosferatu exactly?
Reasons.
In post 529, Dwlee99 wrote:I listed them as a scum read too, rc, you didn't comment?
And Aero, why am I right in the middle? ;-;
As I said, order doesn't matter; You're in the null section because I'm still trying to read you.
In post 532, DeathNote wrote:You guys aren't lynching me, I'll tell you that much.
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In post 537, Aeronaut wrote:In post 528, RadiantCowbells wrote:Uh, how are you scumreading Nosferatu exactly?
Reasons.
Actually, I don't really have a reason. It's mostly a gut thing.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 547, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 527, Aeronaut wrote:This is what i'm feeling right now.
TOWN
Fro99er
pisskop
RadiantCowbells
NULL
Nero Cain
davesaz
JarJarDrinks
Zulfy
Dwlee99
Keyser Söze
Frozen Angel
Wake88
SCUM
TheCow
Wickedestjr
Nosferatu
DeathNote
This feels... predictable.
What makes Wickedestjr, Nosferatu and DeathNote scummier than the person you are currently voting?
They aren't in a particular order.
In post 579, JarJarDrinks wrote:In post 191, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 189, Wickedestjr wrote:Dwlee, you missed this question;
If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...In post 88, Dwlee99 wrote:RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?
Cause I didn't think it was enough to warrant a vote yet and I wanted to see their response.
This is scummy. You didn't think it was enough to warrant a vote but "Sheeping Aero" was enough to vote for Frozen when u did?
In post 580, Dwlee99 wrote:Because aero is my secret senpai, plus that qas rvs.
I loled, but this is really a non-answer.
In post 572, pisskop wrote:Why Keysor Seze is Scum
I have spent my life as a relatively average American would. I drink soda pop, play video game, believe imperialism is the best -ism, and find foreign cultures weird and detestable. But 2 years ago,, my life changed. I found Mafia, and found I was good at Mafia. I learned how to identify scum based on cues and fitting the evidence to my theory like any good scientist of today. I found that scum post somehow differently in games they are scum in; as opposed to town in. I found out that by saying something enough I could make myself and others believe it. Keysor Seze is scum.
Keysor Seze is scum because he is a lurksack who is not posting content. In the stead of content, he posts 1-liners and chalenges that don't mean anything; and this is because he is scum trying to hide. Keysor Seze is scum trying to avoid anchoring himself to any opinion or player too early.
Keysor Seze is posting much differently than my last game with him; where he foolishly tried to lynch me because he is a total noob. Here, he is ignoring me and not posting at all. He is using christmas to hide behind bcause Keysor Seze is scum.
Keysor Seze is scum because he does scummy things. Keysor Seze tries to be cute or funny, but Keysor Seze is scummy because of that. Keysor Seze is posting catchup posts that aren't engaging other players because Keysor Seze is scum.
From all this, we can safely conclude that Keysor Seze is scum. Especially sincehe isn't actually engaging players and hasn't posted much outside of his totally not-town catchup posts!We must lynch him today, because he is scum. Vote Keysor Seze for Day 01 Lycnh.
I'm still not sure about Key right now. He's honestly someone that's always hard for me to read. I will say though, that his play is significantly different than in Pariah's Mafia, which you likely remember, since you modded it and all. In Pariah, he would come in with these long, detailed posts about people. Kind of reminded me of what Wake used to do (speaking of which, where is he?). I seem to recall Key actually like playing along with the flavour, which was kind of crazy too.
Here, I feel like he either doesn't care much, or istrying to make it look likehe doesn't care much.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 609, JarJarDrinks wrote:In post 607, TheCow wrote:If you'd rather lynch me, just vote me :^)
No, DN claimed a PR for no reason. That makes him a better place to for my vote to be right now.
He either made a huge mistake as town. Which means it's better for us to figure it out ASAP so we can decide how to proceed.
OR
He's scum flailing.
In either case, he's where the votes should be.
The logic for the top one is really bad, here.
In post 624, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeah, something seems seriously wrong with regards to Jestr's "scumhunting" this game, and I abhor the way he's throwing everything back on everyone else.
Yea. I feel like he's just kind of commenting on things or asking random questions, not really giving conclusions. I don't think i've played with him in awhile tbh; but I feel like he was so much more of a presence in past games.
In post 630, pisskop wrote:keysor. f you arent going to make posts that are paletable.
Reads and reasons. Go.
RT, I can't really even read most of your posts, Key.
In post 632, pisskop wrote:Lets get our final wagons of the day in order.
dwlee
wicked
FA
The Cow
And possibly others. But honestly Id support a FA lynch the most rn.
Why are we making final wagons of the day? The deadline isn't even in 2015.
I also don't really feel an FA lynch anymore, and haven't really since I stopped voting her.
In post 639, DeathNote wrote:
Who is that exactly? Like, I know RC was the first one and I just shrug that off like you're suppose to. It wasn't until Aero posted me as his scumread that I realized these cats are serious.
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Deathnote is bad, because as I've mentioned, him saying "oh, you won't lynch me today" like it was a jedi mind trick and expecting the wagon to disappear is something that I've seen scum do on numerous occasions. Here's the thing; it's not like he was getting over emotional or worried sounding or whatever, he just quietly mentioned it WAY before he really would have needed to as town. Like, I think it was L-5 or something around there, and he wasn't even the biggest wagon. So, IDK, I just don't see a world where town-DN does that so early.
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In post 663, Wickedestjr wrote:Okay, DeathNote is town.
Why are you just declaring this?
In post 672, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 517, TheCow wrote:I should work on my communications skills.In post 607, TheCow wrote:If you'd rather lynch me, just vote me :^)
TheCow has balls.
Town or scum balls?
I find it amusing he thinks he doesn't need to explain himself.
Is nonchalance town-indicative?
He is inviting votes/pressure/an investigation.
Would scum-TheCow want this?
I feel like it's the opposite. Saying "well vote me, then" doesn't really do anything to him.
In post 673, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm assuming based on past experience that TheCow is just a twat regardless of alignment, but I can't confirm for sure.
I'm leaning town on him right now though.
Eh.
In post 675, RadiantCowbells wrote:There's a real casualness to TheCow's posts where he's inviting people to vote him, and that takes real ability to fake as scum.
I don't think he's likely to be scum here after 607.
It honestly looks like fake casualness to me.
In post 688, DeathNote wrote:
In post 680, Aeronaut wrote:Deathnote is bad, because as I've mentioned, him saying "oh, you won't lynch me today" like it was a jedi mind trick and expecting the wagon to disappear is something that I've seen scum do on numerous occasions. Here's the thing; it's not like he was getting over emotional or worried sounding or whatever, he just quietly mentioned it WAY before he really would have needed to as town. Like, I think it was L-5 or something around there, and he wasn't even the biggest wagon. So, IDK, I just don't see a world where town-DN does that so early.
Having said that, I don't really like that as soon as there was pressure put on Cow, he effectively disappears. Not that he was much of a presence to begin with.
Yeah, I'm bad. Get over it, people do shit all the time that's bad. Was it a scumslip? Fuck no! I just don't have the patience to sit around and let people apply pressure to me so I try to speed things along. Either people hate my statement and vote me out quicker or they realize "oh, he probably is town" and drop it.
Also that last statement is bullshit. Do you know how I play too? No? Then stop saying you can't see what "Town-DN" would do. If you want to generalize it and say "I don't see how a town player can do that" then fine but don't assume to know how I would play.
I'm going to clarify right now, that in my post, me saying you were "bad" doesn't mean I think you're a bad player; I feel like you're probably better than a lot of the people on this site. I meant "bad" as in scummy, but I see where I could have been clearer. I'm saying this because there's nothing I hate more when people just call each other bad at the game instead of trying to tell them how they could improve.
No, I didn't say it's a scum slip; I said it's something scum are likely to do, and the way you did it seems really sketch to me. The thing is, Idon'tthink you're bad at the game, and I think you would have held onto that information / stayed quiet about that implication much longer had you been playing for the town.
As for the last statement using the phrase "Town-DN", I am saying that I don't think a town-player would do that. I've never played with you personally, so yea I wouldn't know your town game.
In post 689, DeathNote wrote:Someone at some point asked me what my regrets are.
None. I have no fucking regrets. Only scum says "shit, I should have done that better."
You want a regret from me? Rejoining a mafia game. Like... even that's unfair though. I have nothing against AP and enjoy him as a person. I just get super frustrated at how different forum mafia is compared to everything else and that we can't play THIS GAME instead of dragging other games into it. People linking past finished games and acting like you are meant to do research on the people you are playing... it just feels dirty and cheap. I know there isn't much way around it sometimes when you play against he same people over and over but I will NOT be rereading someone like Kezer in different games to try and see if he plays the same.
Let's face it, people play differently. You wanna meta my game play from 2009 when I first started? Be my guest, you would see some crazy different play. Shit, you wanna meta me from a year ago? Still way different, promise.
/end rant.
I'm honestly sorry that you feel that way, and honestly, I actually don't tend to trust meta-clearing much myself. Frogger, in my opinion though, is such a special case in my opinion, because I've seen him play quite a few times now and just know his playing well. Same for me goes with players like Silverwolf, TSO, Wake, House, etc. who I'm just used to.
In post 694, RadiantCowbells wrote:For some reason this game is getting me so salty.
Yea, this game is kind of annoying right now. I feel like I'm in a newbie game, except everyone here should kind of know better.
In post 696, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 691, Dwlee99 wrote:Am I going crazy about the scum slip..?
I change my mind Dwlee99.
Yes, WIN-WIN.
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In post 511, Wickedestjr wrote:
I didn't ignore DeathNote's "scum claim" post. I was one of the only/first players to ask him about it, actually - so I have no idea why you are accusingIn post 488, RadiantCowbells wrote:You ignored deathnote basically scumclaiming - why?meof ignoring it.
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In post 721, TheCow wrote:In post 673, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm assuming based on past experience that TheCow is just a twat regardless of alignment, but I can't confirm for sure.
I'm leaning town on him right now though.
I really want to help you guys out with scum hunting but my lethargy levels are off the chart. No need to worry.
"I'm going to just keep saying I don't feel like scum hunting instead of actually scum hunting"
In post 726, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 702, Aeronaut wrote:I feel like it's the opposite. Saying "well vote me, then" doesn't really do anything to him.In post 702, Aeronaut wrote:It honestly looks like fake casualness to me.
Yes, let's lynch him.
But wait... he's now flicking dogshit at people (and laughing about it):
Nero Cain
In post 722, TheCow wrote:you're literally less useful than i am please lynch yourself
Nosferatu
In post 722, TheCow wrote:jump through a hoop pls
Wickedestjr
In post 722, TheCow wrote:Wickedestjr want to do me a favor? please lynch yourself and/or stop being a literal and figurative weed.
@Aeronaut - tell me scum-TheCow's motivation for doing this.
I mean, it doesn't really hurt him as scum, but it doesn't really help him as scum. It's just him being an ass.
Which I don't understand how that would clear him as town.
In post 725, RadiantCowbells wrote:I love how everyone's just letting Jestr fly by.
I mean, I'm not. I just don't have a lot of solid case on him besides the fact that his posts feel fake as fuck. Which I guess is good enough for some people.
In post 735, Dwlee99 wrote:k rc. but seriously wicked is obvtown to me so pls.
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In post 752, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 41, pisskop wrote:We'll know if she is scum becauseshe gets chainsawwy about partnersand talks like she knows her endgoal and plays emtional tag.
This is also here in the back of my mind and her vote IS a chainsaw defense.
Yea, but I think what Pisskop is saying here is that that specifically quality she apparently has of chainsaw defending her partners will help us sort her later on when the people she's defending have flipped.
Or at least that's what I got out of it.
In post 754, Frozen Angel wrote:First LAL is a kind of policy lynch. second I never lied about anything and it was obvious that I was putting RVS in page 1.
Lynch all Liers really isn't a policy lynch. The theory behind it is that nobody should be lying as town unless they really know what they're doing.
So... were you just going to start voting for lurkers instead of scum reads?
In post 783, Keyser Söze wrote:
DeathNote, Joined : July 13, 2009. He should know better too.
I'm a noob, and even I realise it was a bad move.
I'll come back to his slot later.
Don't base your opinions of people on their join date. There are some newbies here that play better than some older members.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 796, davesaz wrote:In post 794, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 725, RadiantCowbells wrote:I love how everyone's just letting Jestr fly by.
I mean, I'm not. I just don't have a lot of solid case on him besides the fact that his posts feel fake as fuck. Which I guess is good enough for some people.
Tell me about it. I mention something like that and typically get lynched for it, others can literally say someone's posts are "fake as fuck" with a vote and others give them a towngod read.
Well the key to that is to recognize that you can't campaign for somebody's lynch with things as vague as "He's Fake!" and "She gives me bad vibes" because that's entirely subjective and isn't really convincing to everyone else. People like solid reasoning.
In post 797, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 794, Aeronaut wrote:I mean,it doesn't really hurt him as scum, but it doesn't really help him as scum. It's just him being an ass. Which I don't understand how that would clear him as town.
True. He is a null-town-lean for me at the moment.
But like I said he is inviting pressure/a vote/an investigation on his slot.
I do not feel like anyone is able to engage with him so far on D1, as he is putting up a front (which I am giving him a marginal null-town-lean for).
If he does not 'open up' he will face the consequences (while I think scum don't want to line themselves up for the inevitable).
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In post 811, Dwlee99 wrote:I am upset because he is saying mislynches are wins. THEN he repeates himself. And yes, dave, I am pissed that my mislynch would be a win but that isnt my case atm.
My take on it is this; Is what he said anti-town? Yea. But honestly, would scum just be going around telling us about his win condition?
Having said that, itispossible that it WAS a slip by Key, and then he just went with it and continued on saying it. While I don't know how I really feel about this theory, I do know that I'm going to go with the occam's razor route and say we don't really have enough information about it or him to lynch him based on that one thing right now.
In post 816, Fro99er wrote:JarJar is still town.
Still not giving reasons because I like watching robot get annoyed
Ok, I get you don't have a lot of time, but I'd really like your insight on this, especially JarJar when you get a chance.
In post 820, Fro99er wrote:I 100% agree with the town list you posted, but I'm kinda feeling robot is also town (not positive) and pisskop is scum.
Dwlee is town too, I think.
Don't asked me to explain. I won't because there's way to fucking many words here and I don't have time to sit here and wall post with quotes and stuff.
Who's robot? Key?
In post 827, JarJarDrinks wrote:In post 825, Fro99er wrote:In post 416, TheCow wrote:Imma sheep pk here. Looks like he knows what he's doing. I can't sort FA but I kinda want her dead t b h
Ew
yeah it gets yuckier
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7492491
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In post 835, Fro99er wrote:Right, because I'm voting DN who I'm also scum reading. I fail to see the problem with having multiple scum reads.
In post 837, JarJarDrinks wrote:In post 836, Fro99er wrote:Oh that last part was at Jar I guess
True, in that case:
Right, because I'm voting DN who I'm also scum reading. I fail to see the problem with having multiple scum reads.
I was less attacking you for it, more trying to get you to change your vote.
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In post 844, RadiantCowbells wrote:Holy fuck I want to policy lynch half the game RN.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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I don't know about you guys, but I read this post in the voice of the CinemaSins guy.
In post 826, JarJarDrinks wrote:I can buy Dwlee being town.Cause he doesn't make sense as scumbuddies w/ a few of my other scumreads.
Yea, don't use pre-flip associatives. It's very rarely ever going to be accurate.
In post 873, Dwlee99 wrote:Fine Keyser.
UNVOTE: Keyser
I don't have any real reasons for my reads atm, tbh. It's a lot of gut. >.<
I have wicked, rc, pisskop, aero and fro99er as town.
Not really sure about scum.
Why is Wicked at all town to you?
Also, you seriously don't have ANY scum reads? If that's really true, why aren't you trying to push people instead of just saying "Oh, I don't have scum reads!"
In post 877, Dwlee99 wrote:Nosferatu is null because I don't have enough to lynch them atm.
Deathnote claimed PR - not pursuing that today.
Just so you know, he didn'tactuallyclaim anything. He made a fakeish casual "I'm not going to get lynched today", far earlier than a pro-town PR generally should.
Cow and Nero are good examples of this because they're both posting just enough content to seem sort of townie but not enough that I town read them yet.
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In post 875, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can we just agree to lynch Cow or FA or Jestr so I don't have to deal with them any longer?
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In post 1032, Aeronaut wrote:Sorry everyone, I've been in the middle of holiday/family stuff. I have a little time here, though, does somebody want to give me a quick summary of the dave-case?
Would still like to see cow die I think, but admittedly about about 8-9 pages behind at this point.
EDIT: It's actually only like six pages, so I'll look through now I guess.
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In post 1039, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 178, Wickedestjr wrote:Unvote. Vote: Aeronaut
You asked Dwlee for his reasoning. So why, when he gives his reasoning, do you discount it because it's personal knowledge rather than attempt to understand the reason itself? I think it's unreasonable that you would complain about the reasoning being un-relatable considering he only gave the reasoning because he was asked for it. Also, what does grossss mean in the context of a mafia game?In post 98, Aeronaut wrote:In post 88, Dwlee99 wrote:RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?
Why is RC scum?
In post 90, Dwlee99 wrote:Because her vote on me. She should know better.
Grossss
You can't expect any of us to relate to your personal knowlage of RC or his personal knowledge of you. This is subjective and not in any way a real argument.
Not sure why this matters. Even if you were scum, it still remains true that you acknowledged him vote hopping in another game where he was town - yet voted him for similar behavior here.In post 123, Aeronaut wrote:In post 116, Fro99er wrote:Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512
I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS
Is this grossss?In post 145, Aeronaut wrote:Generally when town he gets into a townVtown and really flustered early on. Check Refraction Mafia if you want to see a good example of this, I almost had to replace him multiple times. As scum, he's really calm and quiet and non confrontational; check Delicious Mafia 2 if you want a good example of that.
Do you think Fro99er is aware of this tell?
In post 189, Wickedestjr wrote:Dwlee, you missed this question;
If you thought RC was probably scum, then why were you not voting him? Instead, you are sheeping Aero's page 1 "I don't like this post" vote for Frozen Angel, which he removed a few pages later...In post 88, Dwlee99 wrote:RC is probably scum, actually. I am p sure of it.
And D5 when town decides to lynch you and you flip scum, rc?
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Why is that scummy pisskop?In post 265, pisskop wrote:In post 260, Dwlee99 wrote:Guess I'm getting mislynched for the first time. *shrugs*
In post 288, Wickedestjr wrote:Fro99er, why the vote repeats?
In post 310, Wickedestjr wrote:
IIn post 302, Dwlee99 wrote:Wickedestjr is the santa hat guy, I had to check their name. They seem to be active lurking with their last few posts or they're just lost.amsomewhat lost. The only person that I suspect right now hasn't posted since I voted for him. Having said that, I asked each question for a reason and just because you don't see that reason doesn't mean I'm scum that's active-lurking...
What should I do instead?Dwlee99 wrote:Stop asking questions pls.
I like his questions early.
In post 522, Wickedestjr wrote:
This feels like opportunistic scum...In post 326, davesaz wrote:Wow, that was quite a lot to catch up.
The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.
First there may have been some misinterpretation of his stance about vote hopping being scummy.
That got cleared up and he's taking heat for an opinion which goes against the grain a bit.
Having a position which is "wrong' compared to the norm isn't scummy per se, but the reaction certainly looks it.
VOTE: Dwlee99
Unvote. Vote: davesaz
First one onto dave.
He also has a lot of scumhunting that I'm not quoting.
... Alright but dave hasn't flipped, so using that as a reason is kind of silly.
In post 1040, Fro99er wrote:Neither of what makes who town?
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In post 1069, Fro99er wrote:
Also, given I'm town reading Keyser, I find this hard to believe ... or should I say it isn't ... JUSTIFIED (dun dun dun)
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- Jack of All Trades
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- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Boston, MA
In post 1071, RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean I don't like Dwlee very much but I can't imagine Daves being town here.
Yea, but the more I look at it, Dwlee is literally just hopping onto biggest wagon most of the time.
In post 1026, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 873, Dwlee99 wrote:Not really sure about scum.
In post 918, Dwlee99 wrote:I am so fing confused.
Please can you explain the development of your scum-read of TheCow, and now davesaz? My notes are missing the reasons/motivations for these votes.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
- Jack of All Trades
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- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Boston, MA
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7236
- Joined: September 8, 2013
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Boston, MA
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7236
- Joined: September 8, 2013
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Boston, MA
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7236
- Joined: September 8, 2013
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Boston, MA
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7236
- Joined: September 8, 2013
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Boston, MA
In post 1098, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 1054, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 1030, Dwlee99 wrote:1008, keyser.
Also, at the time of my vote the entire wagon is occupied by town reads of mine. (Now it is all town reads and a null)
Thank you for your honesty. So there is no actual behaviour you scum-read davesaz for?
In post 1039, Dwlee99 wrote:First one onto dave.
Please note davesaz is not confirmed-scum, thus, the timing/presence of Wickedestjr's vote on davesaz's wagon cannot be used as town-indicative evidence.
1) Dwlee99 admits he is voting davesaz for not actually scum reading him.
2) Dwlee99 admits he is town reading someone who voted for unconfirmed scum.
These are two positions that I believe a townie should not hold.
Building off this...
In the span of one page, Dwlee goes from only being on the Dave wagon because his town reads were there, straight to beingso sureDave is scum, that the first person to vote him must be town.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7236
- Joined: September 8, 2013
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Boston, MA
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Aeronaut He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7236
- Joined: September 8, 2013
- Pronoun: He/Him
- Location: Boston, MA
In post 1100, pisskop wrote:Dont yo guys know how awful last minute wagon-switches are?
We have until like... mid January...
Adding this to my "favorite quotes" page.