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I'm interested in hearing the serious part.-
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Let's see. My main man MarioManiac.
He sounds self-conscious about making an actual serious vote on page one. Cites 'all caps' as the reasoning for his semi-serious vote, disregarding the fact that Shrio also made an all caps RVS vote. He fluffs a bit and joke-votes the mod, something I find to be a very, very light scumtell, but in addition to the previous points doesn't really help him.-
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In post 30, MarioManiac4 wrote:LOL at Grib
You're acting like not being 100% serious is a scumtell.
It's not though.
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In post 33, MarioManiac4 wrote:In post 31, Grib wrote:Let's see. My main man MarioManiac.
He sounds self-conscious about making an actual serious vote on page one. Cites 'all caps' as the reasoning for his semi-serious vote, disregarding the fact that Shrio also made an all caps RVS vote. He fluffs a bit and joke-votes the mod, something I find to be a very, very light scumtell, but in addition to the previous points doesn't really help him.
1. I said it was mostly RVS but we can't go in the circle forever. We needed some way to get out.
2. I know Shiro has history with Fire and it goes with Shiro's character.
3. And why is it, exactly?
Pedit: kk
There's nothing inherently scummy about it. It's just something I've seen scum do a lot in RVS, for whatever reason. Probably because it feels like a safe joke vote.
You're eager to get out of RVS on page one. Okay. Now what?-
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In post 49, Shiro wrote:I am not the one to get reads from asking early questions
It's actually to help me get a read on you.
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In post 59, Frozen Angel wrote:@Grib why exactly shiro? we never played together , actually we did (but she replaced in the lylo - so its not counted ... )
pedit : hmmm , I'm happy with Elyse or Mario. we already have 2 votes on Mario , so I like my votes place for now
@Mario : half of your posts where serious . then a mod vote ... whats so flawed?
Because she was just another person who happened to be here and I wanted to try and get a read on.
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In post 64, Shinobi wrote:In post 52, Frozen Angel wrote:well nice ! finally somebody asked
MarioManiac deserve to be pushed. I think he voted for mod just to say "hey! I wasn't sirious back there when I said my vote is half sirious!" or something like that ... which I don't like.
you talk to much (well - I'll try sorting you out later)
Elyse was to fast to accept the case against Mario so I think we need to look an eye on her.
and I just don't like when people start the game with this sentence : "Hello ! I'm town! " - It get me a very bad feeling ...
Notsicence checked and didn't voted.
and I'm desperately waiting to see my L... Rc
I don't like this post either.
Too many suspects for faulty reasons - reeks of scum trying to spread doubt.
Add this one to my current list.
I did a quick skim of her scumgame. My impression is that she's more serious as scum.
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In post 83, Shinobi wrote:In post 80, Grib wrote:You are both probably town.
What do you think of Heat?
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MarioManiac4 (5): Grib, Elyse, FrozenAngel, Aj The Epic, Dwlee99
pistachi0n (2): Heat, Zymf
Titus (1): Davsto
Firebringer (1): Shiro
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1): MarioManiac4
Davsto (1): Titus
Heat (1): Shinobi
There miiight be scum in AJ/Dwlee. Maybe.
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In post 98, Dwlee99 wrote:Yup, 2 minutes between me AJ voting and me wanting to OMGUS, totally me bandwagoning with AJ.
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In post 124, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't scumhunt whatsoever on day 1 of large games.
Lef me arone.
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In post 158, Espeonage wrote:Finished page four. Mario would be scum for what he did, EXCEPT THIS IS A NORMAL GAME and I am damn sure mario knows this. WHich means it's not subversive it's jovial. Mentality is absent, wagon is bad.
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His 'serious' vote was bogus. He didn't care about pushing the game past RVS, and it felt like he just wanted towncred for being the first one to make a serious vote. He defended himself a lot, did no scumhunting, and pretty much vanished after I asked him what he wanted to do now that RVS had ended. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's still sitting on his mod vote.
That doesn't come across as town to me.-
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In post 198, Davsto wrote:In post 194, Grib wrote:'Mario was mislynched once, therefore he probably isn't scum' doesn't work by itself.
I mean it's more "Mario was lynched in a style awfully similar to this and this doesn't remind me of his scumgame" but sure, simplify it so you can make it look bad.
I'm not, that's literally how it comes across.-
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In post 191, Aj The Epic wrote:I have an issue with this. You openly consider me scum and then softball some 'question' at me to show your belief as such. There's literally zero conviction behind your read. Not only that, this question is pretty worthless given that the content so far had MAINLY been RVS and Mario's issues.
Bad question, low motivation in it given his position on me.
I considered the possibility that you're scum because I'm relatively okay with everyone else on the wagon. Out of six people, I'm guessing there's bound to be one scum in there and decided to poke you.
I think it's a fine question, considering there were definitely other things to talk about in those three pages (Shinobi and Fallen Angel were posting a lot).
There's no conviction because I don't have a read on you. I looked at the wagon, thought you could possibly be the one scum on the wagon, and asked you a question. Which you mostly ignored in favor of attacking me, and it's a little perplexing. I'll elaborate on this below.
In post 191, Aj The Epic wrote:Grib can be scum. These questions are an active attempt to sound engaged but in reality nothing more than a half-assed attempt to shift the workload to someone else.
Okay, you're leaning scum on me. That's fine. But you're also voting with me. Right now. Your vote is currently on a wagon I am pushing. Me, someone you probably think could be scum. Do you think my push is scum motivated? If yes, why are you still voting with me? If not, why are you scumpainting me?
w/r/t me 'attempting to shit the workload': are you going to argue that trying to encourage Firebringer to post actual content is a bad thing? Firebringer made a quip at me that I wish he hadn't for OOG reasons, and I responded in turn by asking him to post more content and less fluff. Do you think his posts are satisfactory in scumhunting and helping town win?
Overall, I feel the focus of your post is on attacking me rather than trying to figure me (or anyone else, really) out. Please explain.-
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Quick post for now.
In post 221, Elyse wrote:In post 214, Grib wrote:At any rate, they both have things I like and dislike about them.
Such as...
I'll answer this later.
Hi Titus. Why are your posts so clipped?-
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AJ: please respond to 205 when you get the chance.
In post 208, Dwlee99 wrote:I am going to do VCA when I get back.
Is this still going to happen?
In post 221, Elyse wrote:In post 214, Grib wrote:At any rate, they both have things I like and dislike about them.
Such as...
You had some posts that came off as buddying, you're telling people to vote for MarioManiac but haven't really given any reasons besides his semi-serious RVS vote and disappearance, and you seem a little self-conscious of how you're perceived. You're pressuring Frozen Angel a lot, maybe vote for her? Why leave her alone if you think she's BS'ing?
I liked that you were an early vote on his wagon and have stuck with it, though. That at least establishes in my mind that you two probably aren't knowingly aligned.
I kinda both liked and didn't like Dwlee's OMGUS. He posts too much fluff. Demands explanations for people feeling weird about him, even though he hasn't explained much of what he's thinking about the game. Feels like he's annoyed at being focused on. But I really liked the parallels he tried to draw between this game and his past scumgames, just feels like a thought process that would come from town. Still, the minimal content is bothering me.
fake edit: oh, a Dwlee vote. Hm.-
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@AJ
That's an incredibly lazy buzzword. Do you have anything to back it up?
Besides, wine aside, I'm not in the habit of purposefully crippling my team Day 1 for towncred. I don't have a hard time getting townread on MS regardless of my alignment (save for a couple of scumgames I borked), so it wouldn't be giving me any particular advantage.
Fair enough on Firebringer.-
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In post 330, Titus wrote:@grib, why don't you make me feel warm and fuzzy?
@shiro, your desired flavor? Gingerbread?
You act like you've never played with me on MS before.
In post 331, Shiro wrote:In post 328, Grib wrote:That's an incredibly lazy buzzword.
Day 1 soft bussing is a common practise though isn't it ?
@Titus
Whatever lady Titus wishes to give : O
I pushed the wagon to six votes relatively quickly. That's more than half needed to lynch. I don't consider that soft.-
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Elyse: well, I said I both liked and didn't like some things about you, so. Shrug.
I'm not convinced by your reasons for voting RadiantCowbells. There are worse ISOs in this game, the Firebringer vote was probably a joke, and his vote on Titus makes more sense coming from town, I think.
In post 397, Davsto wrote:In post 393, Grib wrote:I don't like his vote
I hate when people go "I don't like X" but don't, you know, give a reason why. Do you have a reason why?
Because RadiantCowbells is probably town. Her vote on Titus would be weird from a scum perspective -- Titus tunnels, and to invite a Titus tunnel is something I'd expect scum to avoid. And boasting about being undefeated scum also feels like something town would do, because. They don't care about looking bad for bragging about how great they are at being scum (as that could prompt other people to doubt their townread on them in this game).
In post 402, Espeonage wrote:In post 393, Grib wrote:Hm.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Davsto
I don't like his vote, and I want to see how these wagons pan out against each other.
Why did no one join me?
My vote stands.
Because you lack conviction.-
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In post 421, Davsto wrote:In post 419, Grib wrote:Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.
And... town never vote town?
Let's see if that's the case here!
What do you think of my proposed town perspective for his vote on Titus in comparison with your reasoning? Which is more likely?-
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In post 421, Davsto wrote:In post 419, Grib wrote:Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.
And... town never vote town?
-townpoints for only responding to this part, btw.-
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In post 428, Davsto wrote:In post 426, Grib wrote:In post 421, Davsto wrote:In post 419, Grib wrote:Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.
And... town never vote town?
Let's see if that's the case here!
What do you think of my proposed town perspective for his vote on Titus in comparison with your reasoning? Which is more likely?
Cowbells isn't scared of a Titus tunnel on him. He has faced a full-on Titus tunnel before and come out unscathed (and his replacement proceeded to win the game for our scumteam btw).
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In post 435, Davsto wrote:Minus townpoints for only responding to the part that explained why you thought I was scum - the answer to the question I asked btw - rather than the bit explaining why RadiantCowbells is town. Riiiiight.
Responding to the part that explained why I thought RadiantCowbells might be town was relevant, no? I was interested in discussing the mindset behind the vote, not whether or not you yourself were scum.
In post 435, Davsto wrote:RadiantCowbells always brags about their play. It's hardly alignment indicative.
Alright, let's try this: do you already think he's scum, or are you trying to figure him out?-
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In post 456, Davsto wrote:
It wasn't really relevant to me. I'd already explained my vote, and was wondering why you considered my vote to be bad, so I asked. You answered by saying you thought RC was town. While you proceeded to explain why you thought RC was town, again, that was irrelevant to me; it wasn't the question I asked.In post 453, Grib wrote:In post 435, Davsto wrote:Minus townpoints for only responding to the part that explained why you thought I was scum - the answer to the question I asked btw - rather than the bit explaining why RadiantCowbells is town. Riiiiight.
Responding to the part that explained why I thought RadiantCowbells might be town was relevant, no? I was interested in discussing the mindset behind the vote, not whether or not you yourself were scum.
In post 435, Davsto wrote:RadiantCowbells always brags about their play. It's hardly alignment indicative.
Alright, let's try this: do you already think he's scum, or are you trying to figure him out?
I am trying to figure it out but as you can see I often take a rather backseat approach to scumhunting; rather than hugely talking to them about literally everything, I'll tend to watch them but not make a huge deal out of it, since people tend to react differently when they know they're under interrogation than if they think they're just interacting normally. Plus, interaction really isn't my forte, and I find me doubting myself and getting paranoid a lot of the time (the amount of times that I have a first feeling that I follow a bit but then I doubt myself and search elsewhere only to find my first feeling was right is starting to get irritating).
The reason I thought the vote was bad (and that you might be scum) is because I wasn't seeing how you thought his vote on Titus could come from a scum perspective.
It's one thing to face off against Titus; it's another to provoke her into doing so. Was that the case in your example?
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Davsto (4): Titus, Shiro, Grib, Frozen Angel
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