NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame
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In post 66, Grib wrote:MarioManiac: your claim of wanting to get out of RVS and then voting the mod doesn't really mesh. And now all you're doing is defending yourself instead of scumhunting.
Yeah combined with "Caps votes are tryhard" followed by "Caps votes are fine for Shiro cause it fits in his character" is pretty bad.
In post 70, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm not lynching Mario with elyse so I'm pretty happy that I'm putting pressure of someone who I'm scum reading currently
Elyse can w8 for now
Why are you scumreading me again? Your initial reason of "I accepted the case on Mario too fast" doesn't make sense since you agree with me and it was on page 2 so there's not a ton of new content to base a vote on.
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In post 141, Frozen Angel wrote:anything that might clarify MM from being mafia or not?
it seemed you just want a valid place to put your vote on and leave ...
Give me an example of a question I should have asked.
Do you still think the second part is true considering I am pushing Mario now?
If so, how is my vote not validated?
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The first question makes no sense.
The second question is dumb because that obviously doesn't move us out of RVS.
My vote was the second on the wagon, so you're wrong when you say I voted him when it got more serious. I was part of making it more serious.
I'll lay off now but I think FA is bullshitting.-
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What does "Elyse shits me" mean? Also wanna remind me of any games we played together? I remember your name but can't place a game with it.
In post 158, Espeonage wrote:Finished page four. Mario would be scum for what he did, EXCEPT THIS IS A NORMAL GAME and I am damn sure mario knows this. WHich means it's not subversive it's jovial. Mentality is absent, wagon is bad.
How can you be so sure so early on?
In post 179, Heat wrote:In post 150, Shinobi wrote:In post 109, Heat wrote:RC I love the limerick. I can't say I'm a fan of the ending though </3
I'm definitely liking what Grib is putting out right now. Shinobi too.
But I'm voting you.
Can you elaborate on any of this?
I'm on my phone so this won't be too in depth, sorry
The exchange between you and FA, mainly. For you it's just sort of a gut town read. I don't really like FA though. I know other people said that she seems more collected as scum, but I get the feeling that she's really frazzeled and is just sort of making noise rather than actually looking for scum.
P.edit: yeah it looks like she's just making noise
I agree with this, which is why I pressured her on her bogus scumread of me.
In post 180, Frozen Angel wrote:@Dwlee99 I can see more than three games overall. so why are you comparing this game with your three scum games?
@Heat If I'm not looking for scum ... are you looking for scum then? :/ By just sitting there and calling people noisy?
I don't like this response. Instead of responding to his actual point, FA just accuses him of hypocrisy.
In post 193, Davsto wrote:Man, I remember the last time I played a Large Normal.
MarioManiac4 replaced in and had a speedlynch on him, resulting in his death.
He was town.
I'm learning from that lesson. Mario is likely not scum. I've only played one game with scum!Mario, but I definitely don't remember it being like this.
Firebringer has changed his avatar from Toothless and that hurts me.
UNVOTE:
Not sure how I feel about certain players.
MM wagon is likely to contain mostly town with one scum max.
Unsure where to go next.
Again, I don't know how you can decide this so quickly. It seems premature and the sudden resistance to the Mario wagon despite his continued absence makes me more sure of my read.
In post 212, Firebringer wrote:In post 211, Grib wrote:Keep going.
Elyse or Dwlee99 or both.
Thats what I am thinking.
Why?
In post 214, Grib wrote:At any rate, they both have things I like and dislike about them.
Such as...
In post 218, Firebringer wrote:hmmm maybe davsto is town.
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In post 260, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Titus
She immediately starts pushing on me whenever she's town.
I'm taking the absence of such as a declaration of her being scum.
In post 261, RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean, she mostly pushes on me when she's scum, I think.
Haven't played with that enough.
But it's become common enough that I'm odded out, plus I just generally find a lot of her affect flat in this game.
Your second post pretty much negates your first...so what are your reasons for scumreading Titus? I want actual reasons, not bullshit like "I expect her to push me!!!"
In post 323, Grib wrote:AJ: please respond to 205 when you get the chance.
In post 208, Dwlee99 wrote:I am going to do VCA when I get back.
Is this still going to happen?
In post 221, Elyse wrote:In post 214, Grib wrote:At any rate, they both have things I like and dislike about them.
Such as...
You had some posts that came off as buddying, you're telling people to vote for MarioManiac but haven't really given any reasons besides his semi-serious RVS vote and disappearance, and you seem a little self-conscious of how you're perceived. You're pressuring Frozen Angel a lot, maybe vote for her? Why leave her alone if you think she's BS'ing?
I liked that you were an early vote on his wagon and have stuck with it, though. That at least establishes in my mind that you two probably aren't knowingly aligned.
I kinda both liked and didn't like Dwlee's OMGUS. He posts too much fluff. Demands explanations for people feeling weird about him, even though he hasn't explained much of what he's thinking about the game. Feels like he's annoyed at being focused on. But I really liked the parallels he tried to draw between this game and his past scumgames, just feels like a thought process that would come from town. Still, the minimal content is bothering me.
fake edit: oh, a Dwlee vote. Hm.
Well considering Mario didn't have any other content besides his semi-serious RVS vote and disappearance, what should I have done? Made things up?
I didn't vote FA because I liked my Mario vote more. I dislike how you said I should've voted FA, but also that you liked how I stayed on Mario.
In post 349, Davsto wrote:In post 340, Aj The Epic wrote:Dave is an interesting case
Umm... thanks?
Shiro may or may not be town: while the obvious sheeping seems like something scum would want to avoid, it would have been weirder for her not to have done it, considering that it's exactly what she did under basically the same circumstances in Pun Mafia.
Dwlee seems kinda scummy (the "I basically agree with everything Elyse said" comment bugged me at the time but I didn't say anything), but it just seems too easy. I know it's always a cop-out answer to give, but it is.
RC? Now RC is bugging me. His reason for voting Titus - along the lines of "you haven't said I'm scum and voted me yet you always do" - basically sets it up so that if Titusdoesdecide that RC is being scummy as fuck with the awful excuse for a vote (also, RC is being scummy as fuck with the awful excuse for a vote), it'll look bad on Titus when she starts pushing, as RC can just go "oh, so now I find it odd you're not scumreading me, you've started scumreading me? Hmm..." A sort of Morton's Fork. This bugs me.
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
I like this post a lot. I'm not liking RC at all this game.
In post 372, Titus wrote:Nah he's just changing his mind.
In post 403, Shiro wrote:In post 372, Titus wrote:Nah he's just changing his mind.
Changing his mind from what? He was never voting Mario to begin with in order to change him mind to go back to dwee
Yeah basically this. I was liking Titus until this post.
In post 388, RadiantCowbells wrote:So Firebringer, what the fuck am I supposed to do?
I think Titus is scum and she won't engage with me. You think I'm scum for trying to force her to engage with me so everyone else can see how scummy she is.
How the fuck do you work that out?
Titus has engaged you plenty. I don't know what more you want.
In post 389, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Pistachi0n
Comes in, bandwagons onto me because I look like an easy target and then practically admits to not even reading the thread because if they did they would know what the VCA was about instead of saying things like "VCA before flips. How?" to make me look bad and like they are actually contributing.
Titus, join me? I have my mom's homemade brownies for ya'!
Decent vote.
I do have a question Dwlee. What reaction do you expect scum to have from your reaction test? I don't see the point of it.
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
His ISO is shit. It's fluffposting combined with a vote on Fire he never brings up a gone, followed by a shitty vote on Titus. His "case" is entirely based on how he thinks Titus is supposed to act and he tunnels on her and doesn't comment on anyone or anything else.-
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In post 416, Dwlee99 wrote:I dont know, elyse. Grib's "is this going to happen" reads as town to me, though.
Why?
I think dav is town and Titus' push on him is bad. She's not giving specifics about anything. FA is a joke at this point. Not sure if really bad scum or really bad town.-
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I'm not denying that similarity. It's probably similar to hundreds of posts that have no correlation to alignment, like the one from town Dave brought up.
Your case makes no sense. First you said that he was buddying hardcore and showed no evidence of that. Now your whole argument is based on his RVS vote being similar to someone else's in a another game when you were scum and that person was town. Does that not sound ridiculous to you? I'm being serious here. People act in different ways and trying to base a case on that is absurd, especially considering you haven't even looked at over half the players in this game.
@Shiro
Her whole case is ridiculous as Dave has perfectly laid out already.-
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In post 770, Titus wrote:In post 767, Elyse wrote:You're also implying that people have ulterior motives behind RVS votes which is almost never true.
I always have ulterior motives behind my RVS votes as scum.
Good for you
In post 771, Titus wrote:In post 766, Elyse wrote:The fact that you sub in is irrelevant.
I mistyped in my post. I mean you were town and the other person was scum. My b.
Yes that scum always RVS me in the same way is a valid tell.
Except they don't considering Dave showed a townie who did the exact same thing.
I wouldn't even be scumreading you this much if you backed off when Dave demolished your entire case but you kept on trucking which means to me that you don't actually care if you're right.-
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In post 781, Shiro wrote:What about the lurkers ?
One scum is bound to be there. I mean come on.
This zimlx guy said that nothing of interest has happened and like we are 32 pages in. What is up with that excuse.
Tbh his last post was basically an excuse not to paticipate day 1. How is that town motivated in the least ?
This post kinda rubs me the wrong way. Idk why but whenever someone is like "hush hush now let's look at someone else" it looks scummy to me. I don't really have any basis for that feeling though since I think town would be more likely to settle a fight between people.
In post 784, Titus wrote:In post 780, Elyse wrote:In post 770, Titus wrote:In post 767, Elyse wrote:You're also implying that people have ulterior motives behind RVS votes which is almost never true.
I always have ulterior motives behind my RVS votes as scum.
Good for you
In post 771, Titus wrote:In post 766, Elyse wrote:The fact that you sub in is irrelevant.
I mistyped in my post. I mean you were town and the other person was scum. My b.
Yes that scum always RVS me in the same way is a valid tell.
Except they don't considering Dave showed a townie who did the exact same thing.
I wouldn't even be scumreading you this much if you backed off when Dave demolished your entire case but you kept on trucking which means to me that you don't actually care if you're right.
Dave didn't demolish my case. He posted a fire joke which was obviously a joke and frankly reeked of Fire town because of our history. Dave's post implied something that wasn't true and matched scum almost verbatim.
Dave's behavior doesn't match his town game and he admits that.
Rather than engage anyone, he just OMGUSed.
You've seen me tunnel like this before (although it was the SK in Slandaar's case) so reaching the conclusion that I don't care because my suspect challenged me.
;s your reads on everyone else? What do you think of my town reads?
I'm reading Dav, Grib, dwlee, FA, Shiro, Shinobi as town.
You, RC, Heat, possibly pistach/Zymf as scum.
Your town list is fine.-
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In post 806, Titus wrote:Yeah that post is off.
1) Doesn't answer my concerns about her jumping to scum because of tunneling (which I am doing).
I thought you dismantled your own point when you said you were SK in the other game...
Unlike you, my reads are dynamic and I'm constantly reevaluating them. I don't call someone town and put them on a shelf not to be looked at again.
Scum do tend to have the best track record at townreading
Yeah, and? I don't have much of a read on FB. I don't have a problem with your townread on him.
RC is not a major wagon.
Not at all. That's a misrep.
In post 809, Shiro wrote:In post 807, Frozen Angel wrote:Elyse you suddenly started town reading me ? or I missed something? :/
Nah it started way back if I.recall correctly.
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Yeah I explained that try reading the thread.-
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In post 838, Titus wrote:In post 835, Elyse wrote:In post 806, Titus wrote:Yeah that post is off.
1) Doesn't answer my concerns about her jumping to scum because of tunneling (which I am doing).
I thought you dismantled your own point when you said you were SK in the other game...
Unlike you, my reads are dynamic and I'm constantly reevaluating them. I don't call someone town and put them on a shelf not to be looked at again.
Scum do tend to have the best track record at townreading
Yeah, and? I don't have much of a read on FB. I don't have a problem with your townread on him.
RC is not a major wagon.
Not at all. That's a misrep.
In post 809, Shiro wrote:In post 807, Frozen Angel wrote:Elyse you suddenly started town reading me ? or I missed something? :/
Nah it started way back if I.recall correctly.
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Yeah I explained that try reading the thread.
In post 838, Titus wrote:
1) Reading fail at best, you said you were scu reading me do to my depth of tunnel. I had tunneled on Slandaar who was the SK.
True true. My bad. I haven't played in months and I don't remember much cause I turned MS off in my brain. What game was this?
In post 838, Titus wrote:
2) the way you were treating Shiro is not consistent with a townread on her.
Why not?
In post 838, Titus wrote:
3) Copout. Also wrong since you oughta know I rarely bus as scum, so assuming all my townreads are true should be a problem to you if scumreading me.
I'm not assuming all of your townreads are true and no I don't know that you rarely bus as scum. All I'm saying is that I can understand your townreads.
I find him difficult to read.
What? I proved your point wrong and then you said this.
6) Yeah you did.
This is just flat out wrong. Stop.-
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In post 924, Titus wrote:In post 922, Elyse wrote:According to Titus lurking day 1 should get you out of a lynch
Another misrep.
Lurkers are compromises lynches if town can't agree on a scumread. They provide little information for later days.
Where was the first one?
Also you used the word policy, not compromise. Those are two very different things. Don't change your words.-
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In post 971, Shiro wrote:In post 970, RadiantCowbells wrote:I like Dwlee for town I just think that he's wrong.
You think pistachi0n is town?
I am fairly certain one of pistachi0n/zimpf is scum
Yet I'm the one linking pistachion and zympf...ok Titus.
Seriously though, Titus' last few posts have been bad. Hates lurkers but doesn't want to lynch them, only wants to lynch Dave but now willing to lynch AJ. Thinking there's one scum in pistachion and zympf for...no reason at all.-
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In post 1046, Zymf wrote:I'm sorry for being inactive, I shouldn't have joined this game :/
@Frogger: If you have a replacement ready, I don't mind being replaced.
Most of the active players seem to agree that we shouldn't lynch Dwlee. I don't really understand why, but...
I don't mind lynching pistachion either. So just to get this off my back, I think we should lynch him.In post 806, Titus wrote:6) Subtly associates Pistach with Zymf.
VOTE: Pistachi0n
I don't know what to make of this.
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In post 1060, Aj The Epic wrote:Elyse's response to zymf's vote was too tentative.Not sure what position to take but knowing it isn't right.
Literally the exact position I took on zymf's post lmao-
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In post 1070, RadiantCowbells wrote:What's your read on me?
I was scumreading you but upon reflection and some meta from our old games (good times btw) I'm not so sure of that read anymore. Gun to my head, you're town.-
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In post 1095, Grib wrote:How about a real answer.
I think it's the best lynch for today. He's the scummiest person in the game.-
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In post 1220, Aj The Epic wrote:Did I do anything different in my last game with you? Your read there was so bad and so tunneled it arguably played the town into the ground.
I don't like this response at all.
You admit to being concerned with defending yourself more than catching scum and try to spin that as something Titus should recognize you as town for. No bueno.-
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