NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

Elyse · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:15 am

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Stop following me

Elyse · Post Post #37 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:04 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MarioManiac4

I don't like the explanation for the vote

Elyse · Post Post #84 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:04 am

In post 66, Grib wrote:MarioManiac: your claim of wanting to get out of RVS and then voting the mod doesn't really mesh. And now all you're doing is defending yourself instead of scumhunting.

Yeah combined with "Caps votes are tryhard" followed by "Caps votes are fine for Shiro cause it fits in his character" is pretty bad.

In post 70, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm not lynching Mario with elyse so I'm pretty happy that I'm putting pressure of someone who I'm scum reading currently

Elyse can w8 for now

Why are you scumreading me again? Your initial reason of "I accepted the case on Mario too fast" doesn't make sense since you agree with me and it was on page 2 so there's not a ton of new content to base a vote on.

Grib is a firm townread for me.

Elyse · Post Post #123 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:32 pm

Why are you causing distractions when you could be lynching scum Mario

Elyse · Post Post #126 (isolation #4) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:35 pm

Then don't clutter up the thread for those who do

Elyse · Post Post #127 (isolation #5) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:35 pm

And vote for Mario he's scum

You can at least help contribute to a scum lynch

Elyse · Post Post #137 (isolation #6) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:53 pm

In post 128, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can I strongly resent you if he doesn't flip scum?

Yes

Elyse · Post Post #140 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:09 pm

What should I have questioned or answered

Elyse · Post Post #143 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:20 pm

In post 141, Frozen Angel wrote:anything that might clarify MM from being mafia or not?

it seemed you just want a valid place to put your vote on and leave ...

Give me an example of a question I should have asked.

Do you still think the second part is true considering I am pushing Mario now?
If so, how is my vote not validated?
If not, why are you still scumreading me?

Elyse · Post Post #146 (isolation #9) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:26 pm

The first question makes no sense.
The second question is dumb because that obviously doesn't move us out of RVS.

My vote was the second on the wagon, so you're wrong when you say I voted him when it got more serious. I was part of making it more serious.

I'll lay off now but I think FA is bullshitting.

Elyse · Post Post #221 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:36 am

In post 154, Espeonage wrote:respect =/= like

Elyse shits me, doesn't mean she don't get shit done.

What does "Elyse shits me" mean? Also wanna remind me of any games we played together? I remember your name but can't place a game with it.

In post 158, Espeonage wrote:Finished page four. Mario would be scum for what he did, EXCEPT THIS IS A NORMAL GAME and I am damn sure mario knows this. WHich means it's not subversive it's jovial. Mentality is absent, wagon is bad.

How can you be so sure so early on?

In post 179, Heat wrote:
In post 150, Shinobi wrote:
In post 109, Heat wrote:RC I love the limerick. I can't say I'm a fan of the ending though </3

I'm definitely liking what Grib is putting out right now. Shinobi too.

But I'm voting you.
Can you elaborate on any of this?

I'm on my phone so this won't be too in depth, sorry
The exchange between you and FA, mainly. For you it's just sort of a gut town read. I don't really like FA though. I know other people said that she seems more collected as scum, but I get the feeling that she's really frazzeled and is just sort of making noise rather than actually looking for scum.

P.edit: yeah it looks like she's just making noise

I agree with this, which is why I pressured her on her bogus scumread of me.

In post 180, Frozen Angel wrote:@Dwlee99 I can see more than three games overall. so why are you comparing this game with your three scum games?

@Heat If I'm not looking for scum ... are you looking for scum then? :/ By just sitting there and calling people noisy?

I don't like this response. Instead of responding to his actual point, FA just accuses him of hypocrisy.

In post 193, Davsto wrote:Man, I remember the last time I played a Large Normal.

MarioManiac4 replaced in and had a speedlynch on him, resulting in his death.

He was town.

I'm learning from that lesson. Mario is likely not scum. I've only played one game with scum!Mario, but I definitely don't remember it being like this.

Firebringer has changed his avatar from Toothless and that hurts me.

UNVOTE:

Not sure how I feel about certain players.

MM wagon is likely to contain mostly town with one scum max.

Unsure where to go next.

Again, I don't know how you can decide this so quickly. It seems premature and the sudden resistance to the Mario wagon despite his continued absence makes me more sure of my read.

In post 212, Firebringer wrote:
In post 211, Grib wrote:Keep going.

Elyse or Dwlee99 or both.
Thats what I am thinking.

Why?

In post 214, Grib wrote:At any rate, they both have things I like and dislike about them.

Such as...

In post 218, Firebringer wrote:hmmm maybe davsto is town.

Why?

Elyse · Post Post #223 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:47 am

Also my second question to Espeonage was supposed to be "what does the game being normal have to do anything?" I got it mixed up with another quote.

Elyse · Post Post #410 (isolation #12) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:36 am

In post 260, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Titus

She immediately starts pushing on me whenever she's town.

I'm taking the absence of such as a declaration of her being scum.

In post 261, RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean, she mostly pushes on me when she's scum, I think.

Haven't played with that enough.

But it's become common enough that I'm odded out, plus I just generally find a lot of her affect flat in this game.

Your second post pretty much negates your first...so what are your reasons for scumreading Titus? I want actual reasons, not bullshit like "I expect her to push me!!!"

In post 323, Grib wrote:AJ: please respond to 205 when you get the chance.

In post 208, Dwlee99 wrote:I am going to do VCA when I get back.

Is this still going to happen?

In post 221, Elyse wrote:
In post 214, Grib wrote:At any rate, they both have things I like and dislike about them.

Such as...

You had some posts that came off as buddying, you're telling people to vote for MarioManiac but haven't really given any reasons besides his semi-serious RVS vote and disappearance, and you seem a little self-conscious of how you're perceived. You're pressuring Frozen Angel a lot, maybe vote for her? Why leave her alone if you think she's BS'ing?

I liked that you were an early vote on his wagon and have stuck with it, though. That at least establishes in my mind that you two probably aren't knowingly aligned.

I kinda both liked and didn't like Dwlee's OMGUS. He posts too much fluff. Demands explanations for people feeling weird about him, even though he hasn't explained much of what he's thinking about the game. Feels like he's annoyed at being focused on. But I really liked the parallels he tried to draw between this game and his past scumgames, just feels like a thought process that would come from town. Still, the minimal content is bothering me.

fake edit: oh, a Dwlee vote. Hm.

Well considering Mario didn't have any other content besides his semi-serious RVS vote and disappearance, what should I have done? Made things up?

I didn't vote FA because I liked my Mario vote more. I dislike how you said I should've voted FA, but also that you liked how I stayed on Mario.

In post 349, Davsto wrote:
In post 340, Aj The Epic wrote:Dave is an interesting case

Umm... thanks?

Shiro may or may not be town: while the obvious sheeping seems like something scum would want to avoid, it would have been weirder for her not to have done it, considering that it's exactly what she did under basically the same circumstances in Pun Mafia.

Dwlee seems kinda scummy (the "I basically agree with everything Elyse said" comment bugged me at the time but I didn't say anything), but it just seems too easy. I know it's always a cop-out answer to give, but it is.

RC? Now RC is bugging me. His reason for voting Titus - along the lines of "you haven't said I'm scum and voted me yet you always do" - basically sets it up so that if Titus
does
decide that RC is being scummy as fuck with the awful excuse for a vote (also, RC is being scummy as fuck with the awful excuse for a vote), it'll look bad on Titus when she starts pushing, as RC can just go "oh, so now I find it odd you're not scumreading me, you've started scumreading me? Hmm..." A sort of Morton's Fork. This bugs me.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I like this post a lot. I'm not liking RC at all this game.

In post 353, Zymf wrote:I think Dwlee99 is a better lynch than MarioManiac
VOTE: Dwlee99

In post 372, Titus wrote:Nah he's just changing his mind.

In post 403, Shiro wrote:
In post 372, Titus wrote:Nah he's just changing his mind.

Changing his mind from what? He was never voting Mario to begin with in order to change him mind to go back to dwee

Yeah basically this. I was liking Titus until this post.

In post 388, RadiantCowbells wrote:So Firebringer, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

I think Titus is scum and she won't engage with me. You think I'm scum for trying to force her to engage with me so everyone else can see how scummy she is.

How the fuck do you work that out?

Titus has engaged you plenty. I don't know what more you want.

In post 389, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Pistachi0n
Comes in, bandwagons onto me because I look like an easy target and then practically admits to not even reading the thread because if they did they would know what the VCA was about instead of saying things like "VCA before flips. How?" to make me look bad and like they are actually contributing.
Titus, join me? I have my mom's homemade brownies for ya'!

Decent vote.

I do have a question Dwlee. What reaction do you expect scum to have from your reaction test? I don't see the point of it.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

His ISO is shit. It's fluffposting combined with a vote on Fire he never brings up a gone, followed by a shitty vote on Titus. His "case" is entirely based on how he thinks Titus is supposed to act and he tunnels on her and doesn't comment on anyone or anything else.

Elyse · Post Post #412 (isolation #13) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:46 am

Her posts are short but not evasive. She's been explaining everything asked of her, and I haven't noticed any issues with engaging with anyone. YOU need to engage with more people, however.

Elyse · Post Post #473 (isolation #14) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:10 am

In post 416, Dwlee99 wrote:I dont know, elyse. Grib's "is this going to happen" reads as town to me, though.

Why?

I think dav is town and Titus' push on him is bad. She's not giving specifics about anything. FA is a joke at this point. Not sure if really bad scum or really bad town.

Elyse · Post Post #487 (isolation #15) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:54 am

Wooo

FA is town

Elyse · Post Post #540 (isolation #16) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:23 pm

FA wouldn't get so upset if she were scum cause then she'd be faking her scumhunting. Not too hard to put together.

@Titus
I will consider Dave if you can show me quotes where he's buddying people

Elyse · Post Post #543 (isolation #17) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:51 pm

None of those are buddying

Elyse · Post Post #546 (isolation #18) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:24 pm

In post 544, Grib wrote:Cool, Titus is town, too.

Why

Elyse · Post Post #571 (isolation #19) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:17 pm

VOTE: Heat

Elyse · Post Post #755 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:44 am

VOTE: Titus

#teamdave

His posts make complete sense and hers are ridiculous. I expect more from Titus.

Elyse · Post Post #756 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:45 am

I'll never understand what makes drunk people inclined to go on MS

Elyse · Post Post #759 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:00 pm

I'm not denying that similarity. It's probably similar to hundreds of posts that have no correlation to alignment, like the one from town Dave brought up.

Your case makes no sense. First you said that he was buddying hardcore and showed no evidence of that. Now your whole argument is based on his RVS vote being similar to someone else's in a another game when you were scum and that person was town. Does that not sound ridiculous to you? I'm being serious here. People act in different ways and trying to base a case on that is absurd, especially considering you haven't even looked at over half the players in this game.

@Shiro
Her whole case is ridiculous as Dave has perfectly laid out already.

Elyse · Post Post #766 (isolation #23) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:12 pm

The fact that you sub in is irrelevant.

I mistyped in my post. I mean you were town and the other person was scum. My b.

Elyse · Post Post #767 (isolation #24) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:13 pm

You're also implying that people have ulterior motives behind RVS votes which is almost never true.

Elyse · Post Post #780 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:21 pm

In post 770, Titus wrote:
In post 767, Elyse wrote:You're also implying that people have ulterior motives behind RVS votes which is almost never true.

I always have ulterior motives behind my RVS votes as scum.

Good for you

In post 771, Titus wrote:
In post 766, Elyse wrote:The fact that you sub in is irrelevant.

I mistyped in my post. I mean you were town and the other person was scum. My b.

Yes that scum always RVS me in the same way is a valid tell.

Except they don't considering Dave showed a townie who did the exact same thing.

I wouldn't even be scumreading you this much if you backed off when Dave demolished your entire case but you kept on trucking which means to me that you don't actually care if you're right.

Elyse · Post Post #803 (isolation #26) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:48 pm

In post 781, Shiro wrote:What about the lurkers ?

One scum is bound to be there. I mean come on.

This zimlx guy said that nothing of interest has happened and like we are 32 pages in. What is up with that excuse.

Tbh his last post was basically an excuse not to paticipate day 1. How is that town motivated in the least ?

This post kinda rubs me the wrong way. Idk why but whenever someone is like "hush hush now let's look at someone else" it looks scummy to me. I don't really have any basis for that feeling though since I think town would be more likely to settle a fight between people.

In post 784, Titus wrote:
In post 780, Elyse wrote:
In post 770, Titus wrote:
In post 767, Elyse wrote:You're also implying that people have ulterior motives behind RVS votes which is almost never true.

I always have ulterior motives behind my RVS votes as scum.

Good for you

In post 771, Titus wrote:
In post 766, Elyse wrote:The fact that you sub in is irrelevant.

I mistyped in my post. I mean you were town and the other person was scum. My b.

Yes that scum always RVS me in the same way is a valid tell.

Except they don't considering Dave showed a townie who did the exact same thing.

I wouldn't even be scumreading you this much if you backed off when Dave demolished your entire case but you kept on trucking which means to me that you don't actually care if you're right.

Dave didn't demolish my case. He posted a fire joke which was obviously a joke and frankly reeked of Fire town because of our history. Dave's post implied something that wasn't true and matched scum almost verbatim.

Dave's behavior doesn't match his town game and he admits that.

Rather than engage anyone, he just OMGUSed.

You've seen me tunnel like this before (although it was the SK in Slandaar's case) so reaching the conclusion that I don't care because my suspect challenged me.

;s your reads on everyone else? What do you think of my town reads?

I'm reading Dav, Grib, dwlee, FA, Shiro, Shinobi as town.

You, RC, Heat, possibly pistach/Zymf as scum.

Your town list is fine.

Elyse · Post Post #835 (isolation #27) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:32 am

In post 806, Titus wrote:Yeah that post is off.

1) Doesn't answer my concerns about her jumping to scum because of tunneling (which I am doing).

I thought you dismantled your own point when you said you were SK in the other game...

In post 806, Titus wrote:
2) Calls Shiro town but attacks her in the same post.

Unlike you, my reads are dynamic and I'm constantly reevaluating them. I don't call someone town and put them on a shelf not to be looked at again.

In post 806, Titus wrote:
3) Agrees with the townreads of someone she's scumreading.

Scum do tend to have the best track record at townreading

In post 806, Titus wrote:
4) Doesn't mention FB as town and he's a townread of mine.

Yeah, and? I don't have much of a read on FB. I don't have a problem with your townread on him.

In post 806, Titus wrote:
5) Scumreads all major wagons but Dave.

RC is not a major wagon.

In post 806, Titus wrote:
6) Subtly associates Pistach with Zymf.

Not at all. That's a misrep.

In post 809, Shiro wrote:
In post 807, Frozen Angel wrote:Elyse you suddenly started town reading me ? or I missed something? :/

Nah it started way back if I.recall correctly.

Btw

Christmas annie Avi : D

Yeah I explained that try reading the thread.

Elyse · Post Post #868 (isolation #28) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:30 am

In post 838, Titus wrote:
In post 835, Elyse wrote:
In post 806, Titus wrote:Yeah that post is off.

1) Doesn't answer my concerns about her jumping to scum because of tunneling (which I am doing).

I thought you dismantled your own point when you said you were SK in the other game...

In post 806, Titus wrote:
2) Calls Shiro town but attacks her in the same post.

Unlike you, my reads are dynamic and I'm constantly reevaluating them. I don't call someone town and put them on a shelf not to be looked at again.

In post 806, Titus wrote:
3) Agrees with the townreads of someone she's scumreading.

Scum do tend to have the best track record at townreading

In post 806, Titus wrote:
4) Doesn't mention FB as town and he's a townread of mine.

Yeah, and? I don't have much of a read on FB. I don't have a problem with your townread on him.

In post 806, Titus wrote:
5) Scumreads all major wagons but Dave.

RC is not a major wagon.

In post 806, Titus wrote:
6) Subtly associates Pistach with Zymf.

Not at all. That's a misrep.

In post 809, Shiro wrote:
In post 807, Frozen Angel wrote:Elyse you suddenly started town reading me ? or I missed something? :/

Nah it started way back if I.recall correctly.

Btw

Christmas annie Avi : D

Yeah I explained that try reading the thread.

In post 838, Titus wrote:
1) Reading fail at best, you said you were scu reading me do to my depth of tunnel. I had tunneled on Slandaar who was the SK.

True true. My bad. I haven't played in months and I don't remember much cause I turned MS off in my brain. What game was this?

In post 838, Titus wrote:
2) the way you were treating Shiro is not consistent with a townread on her.

Why not?

In post 838, Titus wrote:
3) Copout. Also wrong since you oughta know I rarely bus as scum, so assuming all my townreads are true should be a problem to you if scumreading me.

I'm not assuming all of your townreads are true and no I don't know that you rarely bus as scum. All I'm saying is that I can understand your townreads.

In post 838, Titus wrote:
4) How can you not have a read at this point on FB?

I find him difficult to read.

In post 838, Titus wrote:
5) Yeah but Pist and Zmph were floated.

What? I proved your point wrong and then you said this.
6) Yeah you did.

This is just flat out wrong. Stop.

Elyse · Post Post #869 (isolation #29) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:31 am

Ughhhhh I messed up the quotes

Elyse · Post Post #887 (isolation #30) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:32 pm

Titus RC buddying lmao

Elyse · Post Post #922 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:17 pm

According to Titus lurking day 1 should get you out of a lynch

Elyse · Post Post #927 (isolation #32) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:34 pm

In post 924, Titus wrote:
In post 922, Elyse wrote:According to Titus lurking day 1 should get you out of a lynch

Another misrep.

Lurkers are compromises lynches if town can't agree on a scumread. They provide little information for later days.

Where was the first one?

Also you used the word policy, not compromise. Those are two very different things. Don't change your words.

Elyse · Post Post #940 (isolation #33) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:48 am

@Titus
I ctrl f'ed "misrep" in your ISO and nowhere did you call me out on one before that. You're lying. And saying that "everything that comes out of my mouth" is a misrep is such a fucking cop out.

String her up already.

Elyse · Post Post #951 (isolation #34) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:54 am

How to form a scumread from Titus PoV:
1) Do they disagree with you?
If the answer is yes, scumread them. If the answer is no, don't.

Elyse · Post Post #994 (isolation #35) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:02 am

In post 971, Shiro wrote:
In post 970, RadiantCowbells wrote:I like Dwlee for town I just think that he's wrong.

You think pistachi0n is town?

I am fairly certain one of pistachi0n/zimpf is scum

Yet I'm the one linking pistachion and zympf...ok Titus.

Seriously though, Titus' last few posts have been bad. Hates lurkers but doesn't want to lynch them, only wants to lynch Dave but now willing to lynch AJ. Thinking there's one scum in pistachion and zympf for...no reason at all.

Elyse · Post Post #996 (isolation #36) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:30 am

Yes I do

Elyse · Post Post #997 (isolation #37) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:30 am

Elyse · Post Post #1031 (isolation #38) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:04 am

VOTE: pistachi0n

This one's for you Dwlee

Elyse · Post Post #1035 (isolation #39) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:30 am

I'm not voting pistachio because I'm townreading dwlee

Elyse · Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:33 pm

In post 1046, Zymf wrote:I'm sorry for being inactive, I shouldn't have joined this game :/
@Frogger: If you have a replacement ready, I don't mind being replaced.

Most of the active players seem to agree that we shouldn't lynch Dwlee. I don't really understand why, but...

In post 806, Titus wrote:6) Subtly associates Pistach with Zymf.
I don't mind lynching pistachion either. So just to get this off my back, I think we should lynch him.
VOTE: Pistachi0n

I don't know what to make of this.

Help

Elyse · Post Post #1061 (isolation #41) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:39 pm

In post 1060, Aj The Epic wrote:Elyse's response to zymf's vote was too tentative.
Not sure what position to take but knowing it isn't right.

Literally the exact position I took on zymf's post lmao

Elyse · Post Post #1063 (isolation #42) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:50 pm

No I didn't.

See how fun it is to say things with no reasoning?

Elyse · Post Post #1065 (isolation #43) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:59 pm

I wouldn't lie to you, RC.

I'm serious. Yes I've been off a lil bit this game as of late but I'm actually not scum.

Elyse · Post Post #1067 (isolation #44) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:06 pm

Elyse · Post Post #1069 (isolation #45) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:18 pm

Elyse · Post Post #1072 (isolation #46) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:47 pm

In post 1070, RadiantCowbells wrote:What's your read on me?

I was scumreading you but upon reflection and some meta from our old games (good times btw) I'm not so sure of that read anymore. Gun to my head, you're town.

Elyse · Post Post #1074 (isolation #47) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:03 pm

Oh lol

Elyse · Post Post #1083 (isolation #48) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:57 pm

Or zymf is scum and pistachio is town

Elyse · Post Post #1090 (isolation #49) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:55 pm

VOTE: Heat

Elyse · Post Post #1091 (isolation #50) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:55 pm

Lining up lynches, etc.

Seriously his ISO is terrible. I'm not moving my vote.

Elyse · Post Post #1094 (isolation #51) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:05 pm

Because I'm desperately trying to save my scumbuddies who are being wagoned right now

Elyse · Post Post #1098 (isolation #52) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:17 pm

In post 1095, Grib wrote:How about a real answer.

I think it's the best lynch for today. He's the scummiest person in the game.

Elyse · Post Post #1101 (isolation #53) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:19 pm

It just happened. His latest post vaulted him to the top of my list.

Elyse · Post Post #1103 (isolation #54) » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:28 pm

Saying people can "wait for tomorrow" is lining up lynches

Elyse · Post Post #1136 (isolation #55) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:09 am

This is a shitshow.

Let's lynch Heat.

Elyse · Post Post #1163 (isolation #56) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:59 pm

Ok Shinobi is town

Elyse · Post Post #1166 (isolation #57) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:10 pm

What is your read on Titus

Elyse · Post Post #1226 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:25 pm

In post 1220, Aj The Epic wrote:Did I do anything different in my last game with you? Your read there was so bad and so tunneled it arguably played the town into the ground.

I don't like this response at all.

You admit to being concerned with defending yourself more than catching scum and try to spin that as something Titus should recognize you as town for. No bueno.

Elyse · Post Post #1239 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:05 pm

In post 1234, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 1226, Elyse wrote:
In post 1220, Aj The Epic wrote:Did I do anything different in my last game with you? Your read there was so bad and so tunneled it arguably played the town into the ground.

I don't like this response at all.

You admit to being concerned with defending yourself more than catching scum and try to spin that as something Titus should recognize you as town for. No bueno.

Where does this come from? I don't see anything like that at all in the post you're questioning.

Context is key

Elyse · Post Post #1283 (isolation #60) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:56 am

Aight my Heat vote isn't going anywhere.

VOTE: AJ

Elyse · Post Post #1306 (isolation #61) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:23 pm

VOTE: pistachi0n

I feel better about this than AJ

Elyse · Post Post #1317 (isolation #62) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:23 pm

In post 1308, Shinobi wrote:
In post 1306, Elyse wrote:VOTE: pistachi0n

I feel better about this than AJ

Any particular reason why?

I've liked AJ's latest posts and haven't liked pistachio's. I also trust dwlee more than titus

Elyse · Post Post #1322 (isolation #63) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:38 pm

I'm confused.

Are you mad people are following you?

Elyse · Post Post #1324 (isolation #64) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:41 pm

Well I'm phone posting so later

Elyse · Post Post #1428 (isolation #65) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:31 pm

I want to lynch you

Elyse · Post Post #1437 (isolation #66) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:32 pm

@Frozen_Angel
Top 4 scum reads go

Elyse · Post Post #1440 (isolation #67) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:59 pm

Okay I have no issues with those

Elyse · Post Post #1499 (isolation #68) » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:09 am

I still think pistach is the better wagon

Elyse · Post Post #1515 (isolation #69) » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:57 am

AJ you think I'm scum with Heat?

Lol

I also think Titus is scum still. She feels so off this game.

Elyse · Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:02 am

In post 1516, Titus wrote:
In post 1515, Elyse wrote:AJ you think I'm scum with Heat?

Lol

I also think Titus is scum still. She feels so off this game.

You would say anything to protect Dave and AJ.

Protect AJ?

Nah. I'm not really townreading him that much and don't care if he gets lynched. I do think Dave is town though.

Elyse · Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:04 am

I don't think you're scum together.

Elyse · Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:06 am

That's just another thing that points to Titus scum.

Obviously I don't think AJ and Titus are scum together. She's just desperate to paint anything as scummy.

Elyse · Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:12 am

In post 1524, Titus wrote:Right well you're fences hitting by not attempting to sort incompatible reads.

If I cannot be scum with AJ, then having both of us as scum means you have a faulty belief somewhere that you aren't caring to sort.

I'm not scumreading AJ anymore.

Elyse · Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:12 am

He's just kinda there

Elyse · Post Post #1570 (isolation #75) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:37 am

VOTE: Titus

Flash wagon ftw!!

Elyse · Post Post #1584 (isolation #76) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:16 am

Titus are you willing to 1v1 me tomorrow?

Elyse · Post Post #1586 (isolation #77) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:24 am

VOTE: pignash

Elyse · Post Post #1634 (isolation #78) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:35 pm

VOTE: AJ

I am 1v1ing Titus tomorrow

Elyse · Post Post #1636 (isolation #79) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:39 pm

Ok but I'm not

Elyse · Post Post #1677 (isolation #80) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:27 am

Intent to hammer.

I'm leaving my house in 45 min and will hammer if MM doesn't claim by then.

1v1ing Titus tomorrow.

Elyse · Post Post #1693 (isolation #81) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:57 am

Nope. Unless you're talking about missing the hammer. Sorry about that lol

VOTE: Titus

Elyse · Post Post #1694 (isolation #82) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:58 am

@dave

Do you think Titus and I are scum together?

Elyse · Post Post #1695 (isolation #83) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:59 am

Also town points to Dave for voting Titus when I'm the easier wagon

Elyse · Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:09 am

In post 1697, Aj The Epic wrote:VOTE: Elyse

This 1v1 shit was set up yesterday off of me falling, flipping town and then allowing her some leverage vs Titus. I don't like being set up like that. More importantly, even if I disagree with Titus I still think Titus is just playing bad, not scum.

No it wasn't it still stands.

I think Titus is scum because for someone who is supposedly super sure of Dave scum and willing to strong arm people into lynching who she wants, she settled for a tertiary lynch option despite being the town leader.

Elyse · Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:54 pm

I'd like someone to give me reasons for Titus-town. All I'm seeing is "she's bad town she's distracting town but she's town" and I don't understand why. Her tone is way off, she settled for a shitty lynch after pushing two people all day, and her "scumhunting" consists of yelling at others to vote for people for reasons only she understands.

@Nero
There's clearly support for my lynch.

P-edit:
Pls let that be real

Elyse · Post Post #1747 (isolation #86) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:39 pm

Yep no one can give me a reason. Titus vote stays.

Elyse · Post Post #1751 (isolation #87) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:06 pm

In post 1750, Titus wrote:
In post 1747, Elyse wrote:Yep no one can give me a reason. Titus vote stays.

You literally ignored Grib's at least. *shrug*

Where

Elyse · Post Post #1759 (isolation #88) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:32 pm

In post 1753, Titus wrote:
In post 1704, Nero Cain wrote:What makes you think Titus is town?

In post 1705, Grib wrote:Experience.

Oh wow sorry I missed that excellent reason. Surely that should change my vote!

Elyse · Post Post #1801 (isolation #89) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:07 am

In post 1778, Shiro wrote:
Vote :Elyse

I still think you did yesterday what I said you did.
You were jumping all over the place vote wise
And it funny how you say Titus was distracting town by shouting lynch this person but I didn't see yiu pushing dwee for the same reason.

Titus wasn't distracting anything anyway. She was pushing who she thought was scum.

@Dav How can you think they can both be scum. Wth?

Dwlee is obvtown so I didn't really care what he was doing. I never said that Titus was distracting. Other people did. I keep asking people why she's town and no one can answer me. Grib said "experience". People say she's distracting, she's wrong, they disagree with her - but she's town, and I can't figure out for the life of me why that is.

In post 1791, Dwlee99 wrote:dave must be lynched~

Why?

Elyse · Post Post #1831 (isolation #90) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:22 am

In post 1815, Titus wrote:VOTE: Elyse

Eventually, the order will listen. Having town work together is more important than my ego.

Lol

Settling for another mislynch when you have "caughtscum" in Dave.

Are you townreading AJ now?

Elyse · Post Post #1839 (isolation #91) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:06 am

When Titus doesn't vote confscum >>

Elyse · Post Post #1845 (isolation #92) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:35 am

@Drixx
My 1v1 has nothing to do with AJ.

Also you're calling me scum for sticking with it but saying I'd look worse if I dropped it soooo lol

@Titus
I don't care that people read me as scum because I'm not. I do want to go 1v1 with you though.

Elyse · Post Post #1847 (isolation #93) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:46 am

Elyse · Post Post #1869 (isolation #94) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:40 pm

Oh my god if I wasn't 1v1ing Titus I would be voting Heat so fast.

That was terrible.

Elyse · Post Post #1876 (isolation #95) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:29 am

Nah it was terrible. The first part is calling me scummy for arguing with Drixx and the second is rolefishing AND obvious.

Elyse · Post Post #1905 (isolation #96) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:42 pm

Titus' 1903 is a perfect example of why she's scum. Drixx's logic made perfect sense and after Espeo called her out twice she changed her response to "well this looks like your scum game to me sooo"

It's total bullshit. She's just throwing random shit out there whenever someone says something that goes against one of her reads.

Elyse · Post Post #1915 (isolation #97) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:53 pm

So you think as scum I would willingly put myself in a 1v1 to mislynch Titus?

Elyse · Post Post #1917 (isolation #98) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:01 pm

That's bullshit.

It makes no sense for me to do that.

Elyse · Post Post #1925 (isolation #99) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:04 pm

In post 1918, Titus wrote:
In post 1917, Elyse wrote:That's bullshit.

It makes no sense for me to do that.

Yes it does.

Suppose for a moment all my town reads are right. Shooting me at night lends me credibility. That just dooms you.

Getting me lynched on the other hand, well Titus was scummy...

Fucking lol. Get over yourself.

VOTE: Drixx

Elyse · Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:05 pm

Ftr I don't know what the scum slip is but I'm trusting Nero until someone tells me lmao.

Elyse · Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:36 am

Nero what is the scumslip

Elyse · Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:39 am

Nvm I see it. Saying that I was setting up a mislynch yesterday

Elyse · Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:39 am

Ehhhh I'd rather lynch Titus I think

Elyse · Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:39 am

VOTE: Titus

Elyse · Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:33 am

@dwlee
I don't really think it's a slip.

Elyse · Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:43 am

Don't bother dwlee

Elyse · Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:40 pm

Titus is scum.

I feel it in my gut. She's going from mislynch to mislynch and it's exceedingly obvious.

Drixx is a possible buddy. Nero is town.

More coming later...

Elyse · Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:41 pm

As far as why I did 1v1 - that's how strongly I feel Titus is scum. I could feel the tides turning against me and knew I'd have to reveal tomorrow. I'd hoped I'd at least be able to take down a scum in the process. Hopefully I still can.

Elyse · Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:50 pm

I didn't throw the game I would have had to reveal today anyway

Elyse · Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:04 am

Fuck off Drixx. Stop acting like you're hot shit. When I get to a computer I'm going to explain my reads. Your condescending attitude isn't necessary. You're just a fucking asshole. I'm sorry your planned mislynch of the day fell through.

Elyse · Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:07 am

Sorry Drixx I got heated in the moment. My bad. It had nothing to do with your way of speaking but more of the "Elyse being dead is more helpful for town" but I'm going to work on that.

I swear tonight I will post a giant list with my thoughts of everyone in the game. I just don't have the time right now.

But my main point that I want people to think about is how static Titus' reads are. This is one of my favorite scumtells. Scum often find legitimate reasons to scumread people and hang onto them because the read is fake and they need someway to justify it. Town on the other hand genuinely do not know the alignments of the people they are reading, so they tend to be more dynamic in their reads and take everything into account. Titus isn't doing this. She's being rigid and unwilling to switch up her reads. She's been saying "Dave Elyse AJ" for basically the entire game and never gives additional reasons. She only reverts back to meta and what happened earlier in the game.

I like to think I can get a good feel for Titus since I've played with her so much and I really think she's scum here. Hopefully I can expound on it more later.

Elyse · Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:37 pm

Davsto - I think he's town. I agree with him a lot of the time and understand his thought process. He's also the largest target of my biggest scumread.
Espeonage - Town. He has that "I don't give a fuck" mentality that's hard to fake from scum.
Nero Cain - Town. He took the unpopular position of scumreading Titus and defending me when he could have easily done the opposite and no one would have suspected him.
Drixx - Scum. Hasn't given thoughts on anyone except me, AJ, and Nero. His read on Nero is silly because he attacks Nero for starting a fight with Titus, which doesn't make him scum.
pignash - Scum. Just have a look at his ISO.
Firebringer - Not sure on Fire, probably town.
Shinobi - Town. His scumreads make sense and his pushes seem sincere. It's easy to "go with the flow" in this game and Shinobi isn't doing that.
Grib - Probably town, but could be scum playing well. Not interested in lynching soon.
Frozen Angel - Town.
Shiro - Unsure. I didn't like her vote and unvote of Drixx. It seemed like she hopped on because she thought it would go to a lynch and then quietly hopped off for no reason.
Aj The Epic - I think he's town just from the way he held up under pressure from yesterday.
Titus - Scum. Trying to strongarm people into mislynches, settles for lynches she doesn't want, static reads (those are scummy I don't care what you say), strange tone
Elyse - Town.
pistachi0n - Scummy. His content is poor and I think one of the wagons yesterday was on scum considering the last minute flashwagon on town Mario. It was probably hi,
Heat - Scum. All of his posts scream scum to me.
Dwlee99 - Town.

I realllly want to lynch Titus today but would settle for someone like Heat, pignash, or pistachi0n.

I know this was kind of half-assed but my motivation for this game is next to nothing. I get in swings though so hopefully it'll come up again soon because I know as IC I should be kicking ass and taking names but I'm really deflated right now. :/

Elyse · Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:17 pm

Is Nero calling Titus scum for starting a fight?

Elyse · Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:42 pm

Idk, ego?

I don't think it has anything to do with alignment and you're trying to force scum motivation when it's probably just two people with big egos who don't get along fighting.

Elyse · Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:05 pm

In post 2054, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 2051, Titus wrote:No. I want Dave.

I scrolled through your iso trying to recall your case on Davsto.

And there isn't one! I searched "dav" and read everything you wrote about him. You called him confscum a lot, but the extent of your "case" is in 1487 where you say "I am scumreading Dave because he is treating me like I know scum have treated me in the past."

Yup

Elyse · Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:00 am

What progression of reads?

Titus has admitted to having static reads.

Elyse · Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:37 am

In post 2222, Dwlee99 wrote:Their AJ read, Elyse?

Everyone's read on AJ changed.

Elyse · Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:45 pm

Still here...will try to catch up tomorrow.

Elyse · Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:48 am

In post 2235, pistachi0n wrote:
In post 2225, Elyse wrote:
In post 2222, Dwlee99 wrote:Their AJ read, Elyse?

Everyone's read on AJ changed.

Why? How did he magically obvtown himself?

I think his actions at the end of Day 1 were very town. I think him not claiming points to him being town because scum always prepare for a fakeclaim and rely on their claims to help them evade a lynch. The only scum motivation is him not getting locked into a claim, but I think that's outweighed by the possibility of him being lynched without claiming.

In post 2238, Titus wrote:@AJ, Heat's last few posts did the same thing yours did. They kicked the solving into high gear. Before he was kinda meh.

@Elyse, I am down for Dave Pistachion or Nero. Work with me?

No thanks.

@Dwlee
I agree with you that Titus is good at scumhunting. And she's been pushing town so far in this game so she's probably scum.

Your townread on Titus is way too strong.

I don't agree with Espeo's thing, but I think he's town for it.

I still think FA is town from when she got offended before.

I still want a Titus lynch. I will settle for pignash, though, and I don't want pistachi0n lynched today. I think he's been town as of late, but I still think one of AJ/pistach is probably scum so I need to reevaluate there.

Elyse · Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:14 am

I said you're good at scumhunting in general, but you haven't in this game. My reads are completely opposite of yours and you were wrong on me.

So I think you're scum. Your case on Dave is shit as I've said time and time again and the fact that you can't come up with anything besides "He treated me like scum have treated me in the past" is a testament to that. That kind of case doesn't appeal to a broader audience and you're content to call Dave scum and then go "oh well" and lynch someone else at the very end. And then that person flips town and you go "see I told you we should've lynched Dave." It's so obvious that you're scum to me and the wagon on you isn't getting off the ground because you've managed to discredit everyone on it so people don't trust it.

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:45 pm

I WANTED TO DIE GOD DAMN IT MY PLAY MUST BE SO SHITTY.

VOTE: Titus

Literally the same shit this is fucking ridiculous. She's scum. Here she is again voting for another wagon at the end, taking no responsibility for it, and continuing her crusade to lynch Dave with absolutely no new information or reasons to lynch him. I'm fucking sick of people like Dwlee blindly defending her when she's obvscum.

If AJ was a scum kill that was stupid.

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:48 pm

Dwlee, I want YOU to outline why Dave is scum

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:52 pm

I want a one sentence summary

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:53 pm

Pig is prob scum too and so is Heat but I really want to get Titus today.

It's insane how she manages to get townread. If you are town and you're townreading Titus, shame on you.

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:57 pm

After a quick glance at his ISO I disagree with that. I invite you to look at pignash and Heat because they fit that description perfectly.

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:58 pm

Also that Heat hammer as awful. Counting before you place a vote is a good idea

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:05 pm

Titus is scummier. But she was protecting Heat and she does that as scum... Just looking at dave's recent posts he's asking questions and trying to sort people.

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:05 pm

She does that as scum with her buddies

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:23 pm

Your wagon and the pig wagon also has resistance.

If you could give me additional reasons for Dave scum I'd consider it BUT YOU CANT.

I also find it highly suspect your invention didn't go through.

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:32 pm

Did you not read my posts where I explained how she continues to hop on mislynches and doesn't take responsibility for them while continuing to push Dave without providing additional reasons for his scumminess? Or where I said that her reads have not changed at all?

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:53 pm

Oh your reads were static in the game you lasted one day in????? GO FIGURE. That's such a terrible example.

Your play is just so off this game. You came into the day and didn't even comment on your "townread" Heat's awful hammer or how your second major scumread from D1 was NK'd and flipped town. You aren't reevaluating with night kills and came into the day with a clear agenda to lynch Dave and do nothing else. Who's scum after him?

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:03 pm

I've explained why you're scum.

But you've yet to give a reason from Dave scum other than "he treated me like scum have treated me in the past" which is complete bullshit.

I'm done arguing with you. If people don't wake up that's on them. I know you're scum do my frustration lies with people who are actually town and eating up your bullshit.

Like as conftown you should be trying to work with me and explain why I'm wrong but all you're doing is discrediting me. The only time you reached out to me was to say "I'm willing to lynch x y and z, let's work together" when I was townreading all three of them. Absolute bullshit.

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:04 pm

I ended every paragraph except the first with bullshit

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:25 pm

I already said I want you, Heat, and pig.

I don't even think Dave is a beacon of towniness but your push on him is way out of proportion with anything he's done and applies to other people even moreso. The Dave fixation just makes no sense.

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:16 pm

In post 2591, Grib wrote:Elyse, for what it's worth, I think scum!Titus would be making more of an attempt to make herself more likable/reasonable to maximize her chances of actually pushing through the mislynches /she/ wants.

The Davsto fixation makes no sense, I agree. But why does it make her scum? What's her agenda? To possibly mislynch town!Davsto, and then what? She has zero cred after that.

Her compromising on lynches for consolidation purposes doesn't mean she's lynching people left and right without taking responsibility.

I think your first sentence answers your second paragraph. Titus is screaming "lynch Dave" knowing it will go nowhere because she isn't backing it up at all. So she just hops on a compromise lynch when the wagon inevitably dissipates/doesn't form in the first place. I could even see Titus bussing Dave for towncred but the way she's built up Dave scum, she can't go back on that now.

Like now people are literally voting Dave because Titus says so. What the fuck? Her reasons are shit as has been explained (and agreed upon) multiple times and Heat is a scumfuck and yet Titus is still getting support. I think she bit off more than she could chew and is just continuing her charade and hoping it works again. Part of me wants to just lynch Dave to make her shut up and get support needed to lynch her if he flips town. But another part of me could see Dave flipping scum and Titus riding scot-free to LyLo.

Also, why hasn't Titus been NK'd yet? Or Drixx? Or Grib?

These questions haunt me, but I don't think a town win is even possible at this point because everyone is so wrapped up in Titus. Even if Titus is town and is right about Dave scum, I don't think we even have a chance.

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:17 pm

And I know it's only day 3 and I'm being pessimistic but this game is just really draining and seems like a slow deatmarch to scum victory.

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:21 pm

:/

VOTE: Dave

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:22 pm

Grib stop fishing FA is town

Elyse · Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:33 pm

I wonder why they killed AJ period. A lot of people, myself included, thought either he or pistachio had to be scum. Pistachios town flip painted him in a bad light. Maybe it was a vig kill.

Elyse · Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:03 am

Fuck me

Elyse · Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:51 pm

In post 2754, Shiro wrote:ftr

Elyse,me,shinobi,frozen(or dwee but most likely frozen),espeonage

^
The true townblok

The rest of you are all scum.

Btw Titus could give a gun. I think we should wait and see if someone gonna claim a vig kill.

I agree with this.

In post 2761, Frozen Angel wrote:Why Elyse our confirmed town is still alive? You ever thinked about that?

Probably because I've been awful this game...this is probably like my worst game ever. I was going to come in here today and push Titus as the other scumteam. Next time I will listen to her.

In post 2778, Frozen Angel wrote:no its because of her tunnel on titus ...

Mhm.

In post 2781, Frozen Angel wrote:We need to settle this me - elyse - shiro are definitely town I like to add drixx as well if noone has problem with that.

VOTE: Nosferato yeah nero can't be town at this point

pedit : pig is definitely scum, I have no doubt ....

I don't think Drixx should be part of the townbloc. If you have no doubt pig is scum, why don't you vote him instead?

In post 2792, Titus wrote:Bahhhhh

@elyse, still love you...

Ty ily too I'm sorry for being terrible and tunneling on you <3

In post 2795, Shinobi wrote:VOTE: heat
Now we have no excuse not to lynch this person.

Preach

In post 2824, Shinobi wrote:I hate how everyone has forgotten Heat's terrible hammer.
The dude is basically confirmed mafia and nobody cares.

Mhm.

VOTE: Heat

@pig
Run through how you thought Dave was found to be scum again. I don't get it.

If this really is multiball, the fact that there haven't been any crosskills is wild.

I think Heat is a lock for scum. Nothing he's done shows motivation to scumhunt. He just asks random, easy filler questions here and there and has no cohesiveness to his play. I think we should start here.

Elyse · Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:51 pm

Amished tell on Nosferatu??

Elyse · Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:22 pm

I asked this before and never got an answer. Did Nero ever push Titus as scum for arguing with him?

I hate Nosferatu's entrance though and would lynch the slot based on that alone.

Elyse · Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:33 am

I continue to want to die in this game and continue not to get my wishes.

If there are two scum teams, they're dumb af for shooting town.

Who should we lynch today? Pig?

Elyse · Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:03 am

Wondering why Shiro hasn't been killed...

Elyse · Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:03 am

How do you know there are two townies left?

Elyse · Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:57 am

Are the different colors in the opening post significant

Elyse · Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:18 pm

In post 2904, Firebringer wrote:Pisskop is Frozen?
Well Frozen was town, therefore Pisskop is town.

I am good at induction.

Can scum pls kill me tonight?

Probably not considering I'm conftown and still won't die.

Elyse · Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:37 pm

No you're not.

I don't want to lynch you today but you're not obvtown

Elyse · Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:39 pm

The last Copenhagen should claim if there's one more.

Elyse · Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:50 pm

It's ok we can lynch pig today

Elyse · Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:51 pm

VOTE: pignash

Elyse · Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:20 pm

I'm open to anything.

I don't even trust my own reads this game. Me wanting to lynch pig probably means he's town.

Elyse · Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:25 pm

VOTE: Nosferatu

The doc already flipped. There wouldn't be a doc and a JOAT with a doc ability.

Elyse · Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:37 am

Oooooh

So I'm guessing there's a serial killer and it's fire...?

Elyse · Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:16 pm

VOTE: pisskop

Elyse · Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:29 pm

Elyse · Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:29 pm

UNVOTE:

Elyse · Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:29 pm

Paranoia

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:48 am

In post 3020, Drixx wrote:Upon further thought, I'm not necessarily sure it's a solo third party. I was assuming that, but assuming I blocked the night kill, Pisskop would make sense as the person for a 2nd groupscum team to choose to carry out the kill, given his claim. Thoughts?

I'm just wondering how Shiro was

also

blocked.

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:49 am

No I don't think you blocked Shiro.

I'm just paranoid of another 3 person team.

But we need to find out how Shiro was blocked before we lynch piss because something isn't adding up.

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:28 am

Let's assume there's a serial killer.

That means that everyone except for the serial killer is town.

The only people roleblocked last night were pisskop and Shiro.

Drixx claimed to roleblocked pisskop, so pisskop couldn't have roleblocked Shiro.

This means pisskop is not the serial killer because a townie who roleblocked Shiro would have owned up to it. If the SK somehow had roleblocking abilities, pisskop wouldn't be able to use them.

This means that Shiro was either a) roleblocked by the serial killer or b) is lying and is part of a second group scum.

I find a to be very unlikely so I'm thinking Shiro is scum.

Someone show me if I'm wrong.

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:58 am

Who do you think it is then

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:55 am

We need to massclaim.

Espeonage - JOAT (1-shot neighborize, 1-shot doc, 1-shot roleblock, 1-shot gunsmith)
Drixx -
pignash - Backup Socialist
Firebringer -
pisskop -
Shiro - Cop
Elyse - Innocent Child

Am I missing anything

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:11 am

Espeonage - JOAT (1-shot neighborize, 1-shot doc, 1-shot roleblock, 1-shot gunsmith)
Drixx -
pignash - Backup Socialist
Firebringer -
pisskop - Even-Night Commuter
Shiro - Cop
Elyse - Innocent Child

Firebringer and Drixx, claim.

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:12 am

What are the socialist abilities again?

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:35 am

How did you get a 1-shot BP, Drixx?

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:54 am

Did FB claim

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:18 am

@Drixx
Who RB'd Shiro then? It wasn't me or you. It wasn't Shiro. It wasn't pignash. It wasn't pisskop because you RB'd him. It wasn't Espeonage because he used his RB already.

So that leaves Firebringer.

Do you think the scum team is pisskop/Firebringer then? Cause that's the only option if we assume everyone is telling the truth about their role, which I seriously doubt.

Elyse · Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:38 pm

Ok so either scum roleblocked Shiro or Shiro is lying.

Also the fact that only Drixx and FB are vanilla is odd. I'm not sure if I buy a town cop and a socialist and a backup socialist and a doc and a JOAT.

Elyse · Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:20 am

In post 3104, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3101, Elyse wrote:Ok so either scum roleblocked Shiro or Shiro is lying.

Also the fact that only Drixx and FB are vanilla is odd. I'm not sure if I buy a town cop and a socialist and a backup socialist and a doc and a JOAT.

How is this odd? I think more people here should be VTs, the number of power roles kind of is telling me its more likely this is a multiball going on.

That's why it's odd

Elyse · Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:05 pm

The more I think about it, the more I think Shiro is scum.

Like what if the scumteam is Shiro/Espeonage/Drixx and Drixx is just trying to frame pisskop with the rb.

Idk I'm probably going to vote Shiro today. I don't have much time for content and will post tomorrow.

Elyse · Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:27 pm

The only issue with that is if the scumteam is Shiro/Drixx/Espeonage, they could have won by killing someone last night.

So that's actually not the case because no one else has claimed something that could explain stopping the kill besides Drixx.

Elyse · Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:12 am

In post 3147, Shiro wrote:Why would I lie about being blocked and not just throw a guilty out on somoene. I know it is weird but it is truly what happened.

This is what keeps throwing me, your insistence of a 3 person scum team.

Elyse · Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:19 am

@Espeo
If piss has to be group scum then I'd rather lynch him today because if the other option is Drixx/Shiro, it's not game over if piss is town.

Elyse · Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:12 am

If it's not game over in any case then I'd rather lynch you today.

The way I see it, it's either pisskop/Espeonage/Firebringer or Drixx/Shiro and I'd rather go with the three man team.

@pig
Why did you decide to give the roleblock to Drixx rather than me?

Elyse · Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:00 am

Lol I'm dumb

Elyse · Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:43 am

So if it's not a three man team, then we're not in LyLo and we can lynch you today and Shiro tomorrow if you flip town. Right?

Elyse · Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:17 pm

pignash, why aren't you voting? What are you thinking?

Elyse · Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:54 pm

We're getting nowhere. :/

Elyse · Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:07 am

VOTE: pisskop

I feel like I could be missing something huge but oh well I think this is the best play for today.

Elyse · Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:03 am

If pisskop is town and the game doesn't end, Shiro is dead tomorrow.

Elyse · Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:38 am

My only question is this:

How did pisskop roleblock Shiro if Drixx roleblocked him.

Elyse · Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:38 am

Elyse · Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:48 am

Ok yeah that makes sense.

I'll probably vote Firebringer today.

Elyse · Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:24 pm

VOTE: Firebringer

let's do this

Elyse · Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:57 pm

Do you think it's likely that a backup for a town role could be scum? (This is a serious question btw)

Elyse · Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:33 pm

You think it's him and not fire? If so, we're not in LyLo so we can lynch Espeo tomorrow.

If that is the team, then we're lynching fire now anyway.

Elyse · Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:58 pm

We're only in LyLo if there are two scum remaining.

Drixx would have hammered immediately and so it's not him, unless you are his buddy.

I don't think it's pignash. If it is gj pignash.

Leaving possible Espeo.

Elyse · Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:13 am

well fuck

WHY AM I STILL ALIVE. I'm gonna reread before I make my decision. If you guys each want to persuade me or something that'd be great...did Espeonage even post yesterday?

Elyse · Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:43 pm

When did you confirm FB as vanilla?

Elyse · Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:29 pm

What did you give him

Elyse · Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:25 am

Sorry I could be being really dense at this point.

So you're saying that you ran out of things to give people, but were still able to confirm that Firebringer was a VT? How did you confirm that?

Also where is Espeonage?

Elyse · Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:30 am

My bad I missed the vanilla cop aspect. Ok I still have to reread then I'll vote once Espeonage pops in.

Elyse · Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:31 am

He hasn't posted in this game for 13 days :/

Elyse · Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:33 am

The last time he was online was Jan 28 at 9:06 PM. Night started on Jan 28 at 2:38 AM.

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Elyse · Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:30 pm

In post 2895, pignash wrote:No, Elyse. We need to find the other 2 town people. Assuming this is multi ball. Which seems like a good possibility.

PK, no one likes me in this game. Not just Fire.

This makes pig look town because he said "two other town people", implying that the scumteams were 3 v 3 and not 3 v 2.

In post 2912, Espeonage wrote:Hi, I have an important night result.

Drixx is town. I am saying he is 100% confirmed.

Y'all gonna ask me to claim and someone had to go kill Shinobi so that's fucking wonderful. I am a JOAT. Neighbourize I used on Shinobi N1. There's a few clues. we both started defending each other out of nowhere because neither of us ended up dead. Shinobi townread me and I didn't get night killed after claiming, thus showing him to also be town. I used my Doctor on Shinobi N2.
I roleblocked Frozen N3
, the commute claim was sitting iffy but after the two kills I figured I was being paranoid. And lastly Gunsmith on Drixx, where I got the result that Drixx has no gun.

So, what does this mean.

I am p certain that the town players left are Myself, Elyse, Drixx, and Shiro. That makes everyone else mafia. I am k to lynch whichever of them we think is most likely to not be Copenhagen.

@Mod If a roleblocker is roleblocked, is their original target still roleblocked?

Espeo also assumes it's 3v3 here.

Would Espeo bring up multiball in such a weird way if he was scum and knew it was multiball???

I just reread Espeo/pig/piss's ISOs together and I still don't know. I was thinking Espeo is scum because pig lynched piss, but his vote was pretty reluctant. Ughhhhhhh I hate this so much.

Elyse · Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:25 am

So that means that if Frozen was really blocked by Espeonage on Night 3, then Frozen (who is pisskop) couldn't have blocked Shiro, meaning Shiro would have gotten a result.

Just gonna mull on that for a lil before I place my vote.

Elyse · Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:19 am

VOTE: Espeonage