Mafia 68: Ork - Game over!

[Flameaxe]

ROLE ME BATMAN!

[Flameaxe]

On a day 1? Not particularly...

Will do a readthrough tomorrow probably.

[Flameaxe]

Ok, so I'm gonna start my reread of the whole thread soon, but I figured I would say that after reading a lot of your guys' reasoning behind the massclaim idea, I am leaning towards it more than my original thoughts of no. Does seem a bit risky, but overall it will most likely help.

[Flameaxe]

I claim vanilla townie.

Just to clarify, we ARE still claiming in order, correct?

[Flameaxe]

First off, Flameaxe*. Feel free to refer to me as BBB/BBM (AIM shortened name)

My claim is

Vigilante

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Flame is fine.

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Mass Claim Super Order List

Note: Doctor(Angel) WILL CLAIM TOWNIE

Note: Priest will claim TOWNIE, Investigate the claimed inspector, and reveal Day 2 with results

spectrumvoid

Shanba: Has not Claimed yet.
Guardian:

Vanilla

scotmany12:Claimed

Urzassedatives

Flameaxe/BBM:Claimed
Gorrad: Claimed
Sefer: Claimed
Khelvaster: Claimed
CoolBot: Claimed
IH: Claimed
Mastermind of Sin: Has not Claimed yet.
Kinetic:

Govorner

Pie_is_good: Has not Claimed yet.

Mert

Tarhalindur: Has not Claimed yet.
Yosarian2: Has not Claimed yet.
Haut Boy: Has not Claimed yet.
curiouskarmadog: Has not Claimed yet.

Up to claim: Shanba
Next: scotmany12

[Flameaxe]

Yea...I missed you...sorry. Shanba did claim, my bad.

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I'll do it, expect it in a few minutes.

[Flameaxe]

Well...you can easily confirm yourself by pardoning a lynch (or your other crazy way that you are gonna explain later), nothing for a vanilla to confirm really...

[Flameaxe]

Vig claiming target might not be too bad.

Um...my target last night should seem pretty clear...as the role was revealed on death.

[Flameaxe]

Oh alright. I haven't really given it all that much thought yet.

[Flameaxe]

I agree with Shanba's reasoning here. He knows the innocent, and if we do happen to go after that person, he can just stop us. Other than that, it would be better to keep his targets bottled up.

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I think we need to, just to get Kin confirmed.

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From what I understood, yes.

[Flameaxe]

No offense taken. I don't trust my own judgement.

[Flameaxe]

My thoughts as of now:

• Lyncher claiming would definitely be of help. Whoever you may be, you could help add two people to the list of "Oh noez, please don't vig me". ((Possibility that Zindy was the lyncher maybe?))
  
• I'll do whatever you guys decide to do, whether it be to direct me or let me go on my own. Up to you guys.
  
• @Guardian: Examples/Evidence of your suspicion on Yos2?
  
• I honestly think that having Kinetic 100% confirmed (aka, using his Gov powahs) would definitely help us to narrow down our suspects tomorrow, possibly even making the lynch a bit easier. Honestly, the Gov power doesn't seem absolutely amazing, and we will only REALLY need it for a limited number of outcomes...(A scum quicklynch on someone, etc.)
  
• Self Voting isn't a cool thing to do. It's like drugs, and we all know that "Drugs are bad, mmkay?"
  
• Tar seems to be VERY interested in what happens for lyncher win/lose conditions.
  
• As for confirming MoS as the mason, the only really logical way to do this would be to have him claim target and have target confirm. I believe this can wait for now, so they don't get all killed and such at night.

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My Opinions on YOU, the consumer-err...the town! (This is long overdue, put it off due to the start of teh claims once I replaced in)

Sefer:

I don't have a whole lot to go off of since I replaced in. Supporter of teh Mass claimz early on. Made some really good points explaining the positives of the MC, and how we could handle the outcomes.

Final Analysis:

Not a whole lot to go off of, but what I can go off of, he doesn't seem scummy to me.

Flameaxe:

He's pretty much fantastic.

Pie_Is_Good:

Clearly supported the mass claim right away. (C'mon... its PIE...duh.) Puts pressure/doubts Kinetic. Was pushing for a vig plan. He is part of the vanilla 'posse'

Final Analysis:

No real read quite yet.

MoS:

Pushed the fact that we need to massclaim -today-, any later than that would be risky knowing that we have possibly 2 unconfirmed casualties. I approve of his list making for MC. Went against the idea for scummy people claim first. (No. Bad idea. Bad.) Made the point of some scum supporting MC to seem more pro-town. Convinced me that the massclaim would work. Posted a lot of analysis towards the outcomes of the claim, positive and negative. Claimed mason, no claimed target yet, which is acceptable.

Final Analysis:

Not terribly scummy in my eyes, seems to be one of the more protown players. I'm fine with him not claiming his mason buddy for now, but a confirmation eventually would be awesome.

Scotmany:

Against the claim at first, changed opinions of it early on. (page 4) Points out some of the negatives of the claim, mainly involving the unconfirmed role, whether or not it was pro-town power. Vanilla 'posse'.

Final Analysis:

No huge read on youz. I had no issue with you bringing up the negatives of the claim, someone has to do it.

Coolbot:

Against the claim early on. Changed his opinion, like most others. Pointed out that there isn't a 100% success rate. Vanilla posse. Feels I should just pick my vig target myself.

Final Analysis:

Could go either way, another negative to claim pointer-outter. Leaning more to pro-town though.

Kelv:

"Intentionally Lurking" early on, because he said he is a pro-town power role, and didn't want to draw attention. Here, have some quotes!

So, I was lurking intentionally. The reason for that was that I am a pro-town powerrole and didn't want to draw too much attention to myself.

I claim vanilla townie.

Self explanatory. Not all that many posts through the game except scattered quick posts.

Final Analysis:

No real read due to not a whole lot of posts.

Gorrad:

Against claim early, quick change because he was "going up against the majority". Thought it would end badly, but went with it anyway. His support of the claim grows later on, supporting it all the way! Vanilla posse.

Final Analysis:

Leaning towards scummy mainly because of your very swift, and drastic, change of heart towards the mass claim.

Tarhalindur/Mert:

Nothing to comment about Mert's actions. Tar has been asking a lot of questions regarding the Lyncher role. This has made me wonder. Your almost unprovoked self-vote makes you look scummy to me.

Checking something to make sure that there isn't a fatal flaw in my plan:

Mod: Can town still win if the Lyncher condition is fulfilled?

Plan to be elaborated on further after my questions are answered.

^I don't like this post either.^

Final Analysis:

Obsessed with lyncher related things, scummy to me.

Skruffs/Haut Boy:

Well...Haut Boy contributed a whole lot to this game, I just don't know where to start! [/sarcasm] Anyway, Skruffs>Haut Boy, clearly. Enters during mid-claim, and seemed to think that the negatives outweighed the positives. Pointed out that a lyncher claim would be helpful.

Final Analysis:

Not quite enough info to go off of, so no read.

HIIH:

Probably one of the main people to oppose the mass claim. Opposed it the longest. Claimed the priest, no counters. Very aggressive player, but I do not think that this alone would be a scumtell at all. Pushing the fact that a Gov claim today would be a good choice.

Final Analysis:

Honestly, he doesn't seem ALL that scummy to me. Furthermore, I agree with his reasoning/plan for the Gov (Kinetic).

Yos2:

Supports claim early. Doesn't like Kin's play. Vanilla posse.

Final Analysis:

Could go either way, now that the claim is over more posts will stick out at me to post about.

Guardian:

Master-claimer, so to speak. He brought up the idea very early on, mainly using Haiku! (thanks again for that.) He has been pretty much leading the discussion about the claim. A part of the amazingly wonderful Vanilla Posse. I do not approve of his voting without even having a case.

Final Analysis:

Pushing along the massclaim made him look a bit protown, but his voting more recently doesn't really sit well with me. Possible scum candidate.

Shanba:

SV wasn't able to add too much early, for obvious reasons. Shanba was pro-claim, then had doubts, then came back around to claim. Approved of certain roles claiming townie. Claimed inspector, no counters. Got an innocent, won't claim target.

Final Analysis:

Seems pro-town, and inspector for that matter. As for not claiming target, I agree completely. Bring it up if its really needed.

Kinetic:

One of the first to oppose the mass claim, and one of the first to claim in that mass claim. (Out of turn too, oh well.) Claimed Gov'na. Said he had a plan to confirm without using his ability, but mod confirmed that his confirm plan wouldn't work. Against using his pardon D1.
Advantages to using it: We get another confirmed pro-town role.
Disadvantages to using it: We lose a possible scum lynch.

Final Analysis:

My opinions on you lie with the confirmation of your role.

Last but not least!

CKD:

Gonna keep it simple here. Claimed member of the Vanilla posse.

today vanilla town should hang...people think I am scummy, start with me then (not going to give you a self vote like Tar, though) I know I wont see end game now (since I am vanilla town)...

This post sort of has a townie vibe to me, but I dunno...

Final Analysis:

Could go either way, leaning towards an actual vanilla townie personally.

DONE! Any other questions and comments are accepted.

[Flameaxe]

/agree for some explanation to whats running through you head right now.

[Flameaxe]

I am in agreement with Shanba here. If we start to go for the lynch of the person, THEN a target claim would work. I like his plan of keeping the confirmed innocent targets secret to keep them around as long as possible.

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Why not? Why would having another innocent be bad for the town?

qft.

Seriously, I don't see the negatives of having it out in the open. We mass claimed to get innocents. Why not get more...

He isn't saying that he will NEVER claim it, just hold the information until crucial to claim it.

[Flameaxe]

My thoughts exactly...

[Flameaxe]

The option has been in my mind.

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Boo. /weak.

[Flameaxe]

I would HOPE the doctor wouldn't be that stupid to be drawn by it.

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Pssh, he can try to direct if he really wants, but he needs a damn good case to go along with it to make me agree.

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Unvote

We need vote counts more often, apparently I never did that.

As for the vig thing, it seems like a good idea, but would it be better than keeping the kill more...I guess, random? Stuck in my head might be a way to explain it...

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Vote: Kelv.

I'm liking MoS's reasoning in the above post, to put it simply. It's a near win/win situation.

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Unvote, Vote: Tar.

His play is just plain dumb, and I can't really find any reason why he would be acting so unhelpful to the town right now...

[Flameaxe]

Gah...not the Haikus again...

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I would rather have Lynch/Vig.

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Bah. Tar's playing scummy, although not nearly as bad as Guardian or Kelv. At least it'll end this thrice-accursed 47 page d1 and it's something most of us can agree on.

Unvote, Vote: Tar

*cough*No deadline, no reason to make us stop talking*cough*

[Flameaxe]

My reasoning was more the fact that he simply isn't contributing ANYTHING at all except a self vote. It just isn't helpful at this point.

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SL has requested replacement for being a terrible mod.

If only...

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Mod:VC?

Jathan is dumb and said he will VC at the top of the next page...so don't post after 1199 peoplez.

[Flameaxe]

Filler post. VC please.

[Flameaxe]

I still believe getting both chances at scumz would be more ideal in this situation. We can confirm kinetic anytime.

[Flameaxe]

I trust him -at the moment-. Hopefully he doesn't do something to change that...I like confirmed people almost as much as I like mudkips...

[Flameaxe]

Have you decided on the decision yet?

[Flameaxe]

I have someone in mind, but if you guys wanna make a list, go right ahead.

[Flameaxe]

My thoughts: Kinetic doesn't pardon, we get two revealed roles, instead of one, but he won't be confirmed yet.

Honestly, having two reveals seems like a better option to me.

[Flameaxe]

Ha, I am so win right now. SO FULL OF WIN!

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Shanba - What result did you get tonight?

@Guardian: Maybe revealing at least one of them could help. Because then we would have one (possibly innocent) held from teh scumbagz.

[Flameaxe]

I saw it earlier, and I just recently went back to find it for you MoS...but couldn't find it.

[Flameaxe]

Also want to point out: Either Khelv's crazy WIFOM madness worked, or he is scum. (most likely.)

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Vote: Scot

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I think I know, but I might be wrong.

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Ha. ^5 for rhymes!

[Flameaxe]

I kinda felt the same way about that, honestly.

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Fine by me, I'll let Shanba weigh in as well.

[Flameaxe]

Hey guys. Sorry, I was busy fending off a Life Attack. I'm better now.

I'm a vanilla townie.

Does someone want Pie's head or something?

[Flameaxe]

ShanbaAxe is an awesome force of...awesome.

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I'm down with it.

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Woo.

Team ShanbAxe strikes! Bam!

[Flameaxe]

PS:

Mod: Vc?

[Flameaxe]

Hi.

[Flameaxe]

Vote: Yos2

2 more! Lets go!

(I will be shooting down coolbot tonight, for the record.)

[Flameaxe]

Vote: Yos2

2 more! Lets go!

(I will be shooting down coolbot tonight, for the record.)

good enough for me....

unvote vote Yos

I know I'm awesome and all, but I don't enjoy being stalked. Stop.

[Flameaxe]

Sigh, maybe I'll reread your posts at some point...

[Flameaxe]

I THINK I CAN, SIR.

[Flameaxe]

Ok, so lets make a definite decision on my kill tonight.

So far I've heard possibilities of Coolbot and Skruffs, anyone else have any input on the topic?

[Flameaxe]

I'm pretty sure my target is set, as he isn't confirmed yet.

[Flameaxe]

Vig target is now, and will be, Coolbot.

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HOORAY!

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I learned my way of mafia from pie. No joke.