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Zindaras wrote:Sir Tornado wrote:Vote: Numenorean7
We are beyond the random voting phase.somestrangeflea wrote:Vote: FeRnAnDoContribute. There is a lot to discuss.No...Like what? Darko has made a bit of a cock up, and you had a heavy post that just happened to sneak its way in between mine. That's it-
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darko wrote: One. I'm not refusing to vote. I'm stating that I never voted xyzzy in the first place, therefore showing how non-committed to my so-called "plan" I am. Honestly, if I truly wanted xyzzy gone, I would've voted him in my first vote, no?
Possible mass misinterpretation perhaps, but I'm not sure...darko wrote:By the way, I'm still not voting anyone.
Because that's what everyone's supposed to do at the start of the game. We have no real information, so we random vote to attempt to get some. You're refusal to random vote does make you look scummy.darko wrote:Two. Why should I random vote right away? What purpose would it serve me? Why am I supposed to do it? You say I will look town if I do it, but what if I refuse to random vote, will you lynch me?
...because we think you're scum. That is the point of the game...darko wrote:Three. Don't you think I was calling attention to myself with all my posts? You guys are calling me mafia already for little obvious suggestions because it's easy to do so, but fail to look at how quickly everyone is voting for me. In fact, anyone who has even bothered to defend me or even state that they're putting me aside for the moment (except one person) is even turning against me and voting me.
No, we have preconcieved notions about whatdarko wrote:You guys here have such preconceived notions of what a newbie should and shouldn't do. I'm frankly pissed because no one bothered to tell me how I should act in my first game here. Oh shall, I give you some smilies while I'm at it to show how annoyed I am? I'm supposed to do that right?everyoneshould and shouldn't do. You're playing with us, deal with it. And no, your emoticons at this point in the conversation make you look silly.
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The game got serious at post 49 IMO, with a vote from Sarcastro for Darko. YB then followed suit. NN make a joking vote for Xyzzy, which Sarcastro took seriously. Guardian managed to pull a Scumbuddy accusation between Adel and NabNab (and I'm really not sure how he did that...). NabNab explained himself to Sarcastro, and attempted to defend himself against Guardian. Darko randomly threw in that he wasn't voting, before being accused of being NewbScum by NabNab. FeRnAnDo and JordanA24 joined the wagon. Myself and Sir Tornado random voted, before some numbers from Zind and Jordan. I then voted Darko after actually reading the thread, before we went back to numbers. Darko's defense was terrible IMO. Zind defends Darko anyway, then you arrived.ryan wrote:
Was called out for not contributing and goes right after the easy bandwagon ( Darko) how about a little content on some of the other happenings?somestrangeflea wrote:Unvote
I apologise for claiming that Darko's post was a "bit of a cock-up". It was an epic cock-up...
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Darko - For the reasons specified in a number of my other posts.
Guardian - For magicking up a ScumBuddy claim out of nowhere.
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QFTSir Tornado wrote:
How do you mean by Sarc being too tense? Well, I would have behaved more or less similarly if I saw anyone being on the chopping block just because he was on a vacation! And, I know that xyzzy was no where near to being lynched, but I still do not understand the rationale behind that bandwagon. I mean, generally, bandwagons are started to put someone under pressure and make him post. Are you going to "put him under pressure" for something like 14 days?Xdaamno wrote:Hmm, lots of posting.
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I apologise for stating the blindingly obvious! But let's face it, regardless of how he explains it, will thatZindaras wrote:EBWOP: It's irrelevant because it's quite obvious, once you stop and think about it.
Also, Jordan should have been the one to explain, not fleaboy.reallychange anything?
It wasobviouslya joke...
I hit reply before you posted and it took 2 minutes for me to actually think up the response! It was massively delayed simul-posting...Guardian wrote:It has nothing to do with keeping secrets and everything to do with not answering questions posed to others.
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Sir Tornado wrote:
andsomestrangeflea wrote:Adel wrote:BTW, the darko wagon is long enough. It is time for y'all to get off and move on.WAIT! Adel says that the Darko wagon is too long, so we all have to unvote now, and apologise to Darko...
Please don't try to hijack our votes...
The above two posts seem to be inconsistent with each other.somestrangeflea wrote:I'm going to have to side with ST on this one. Post 93 wasn't even close to a defense. It was the prevention of a page 4 lynch which no-one wants anyway.
Well, you might...Post 1
Adel was claiming that the Darko wagon had gone on long enough, and to me, that seemed as though Adel was trying to control the voting, which I disliked. This post takes an "Anti-Darko" and "Anti-Adel-Vote-Hijack" position. This post doesn't mention quicklynching.
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Guardian was claiming ST as scum for "defending Darko", which he very obviously wasn't. This post takes an "Anti-Darko", "Anti-Craplogic™" and "Anti-Quicklynch" position.
In conclusion...
I can see why the posts could be seen as contradictory, but they aren't.
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I would have disagreed with Adel trying to get us off anyone, it just happened to be that Adel wanted us off the Darko bandwagon. If anything, in trying to get us off his wagon,Sir Tornado wrote:Well, you are taking an "anti-Adel" position here, and Adel is "anti-quicklynch" (in the post to which this was directed at) so this becomes "pro-quicklynch"Adelwas being "Pro-Darko"!
In taking the side of someone whoSir Tornado wrote:How is it "Anti-Darko"?wasn'tdefending Darko, rather than someone else, I feel that my post was a tad "Anti-Darko". It wasn't massively Anti-Darko, but still...
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50 pages is as unreasonable a Day1 as 5. I personally, don't want a 50 page Day 1! That is silly! I've never been in a large game, but I'm going to assume that a 10-15 page day 1 is reasonable.Guardian wrote:
Just *try* reading through day one of a game with 50+ pages. (Sir Tornado wrote:
Yeah, I have a problem with that. I absolutely find anyone who wants to lynch before page 10 in a game of this size scummy. If we have 50 pages, we have lots of information, and more information is always beneficial to town.Guardian wrote: Yeah, I am. I don't like 50 page noise filled days. If I think someone being wagoned is scummy, I'll push it, and try and get results fast. Problem, love?
A quick lynch gives less information. Wanting to give less information to town = scummy.Hint: Mafia 64). It is impossible. If this game goes over about 25 pages I am probably not even going to attempt to re-read today, it is just not worth it. Longer days are better for town,in theory. Shorter days are better for town,.in reality
I am tempted to quote raj from an ongoing game about how he doesn't like to sit around masturbating in his own words for 20 pages when we can just try and lynch scum in half of that.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but long daysseemto be better for town, but in my experience theyare not in factbetter for town.
I love how fleaboy qft'd it .
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Unofficial Votecount of Death!
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Adel (1): pickemgenius
pickemgenius (1): Erg0
NabakovNabakov (1): Adel
Darko (4): Sarcastro, YogurtBandit, NabakovNabakov, FeRnAnDo
Guardian (3): Zindaras, somestrangeflea, Numenorean7
somestrangeflea (1): Guardian
Not voting [8]: Xdaamno, xyzzy, Sacred, Honary Hitchhiker, darko, JordanA24, ryan, Sir Tornado
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Hmm...
What you have there is:
1-((Chance that exactly 1 out of 2 people are scum) + (Chance that exactly 1 out of 2 people are scum))
And I'm not sure that is right...
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Adel (2): pickemgenius, Guardian
pickemgenius (1): Erg0
Darko (2): YoghurtBandit, FeRnAnDo
Guardian (6): Zindaras, somestrangeflea, Numenorean7, Sarcastro, NabakovNabakov, Adel
Not voting (8): Xdaamno, xyzzy, Honary Hitchhiker, darko, JordanA24, ryan, Sir Tornado, Sacred
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This makes sense, and works out to a 55% chance that you are of the same alignment.Zindaras wrote:
I'll make it clearer here:somestrangeflea wrote:Hmm...
What you have there is:
1-((Chance that exactly 1 out of 2 people are scum) + (Chance that exactly 1 out of 2 people are scum))
And I'm not sure that is right...
1-((Chance that Sacred is scum but I'm not) + (Chance that I'm scum but Sacred isn't))
A perhaps simpler way of calculating it would be (15/19*14/18 )+(4/19*3/18 ). The first is the chance that we're both town, the second that we're both scum.
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Whilst this game is on page 12, you need to remember that the game officially startedSarcastro wrote:
The scuminess... it's burning... my eyes...Guardian wrote:Two things worth noting:
1) xyzzy just posted elsewhere on the site. I really wonder what is up with that.
2) A lot of you need to unvote me and go find scum. .
Why is Guardian not dead yet? This game has far too many posts and far too few lynches.yesterday.
<Insert re-hash of "Short days are god for scum" argument>
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I agree with the "This game needs more page" part, but I have never said anything about quick games, simply because I've never been in a game going this fast!YogurtBandit wrote:
You always say that.somestrangeflea wrote:Yeah. Quick games keep the scum on their toes. Keep them panicky and confused, and eventually they'll screw up.
This game needs more page.
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Sorry, that was a mathmatical mistake on my part. =(JordanA24 wrote:SSF, since his posts have been contentless (I especially didn't like the numbers thing he did with Zindy, that stank of trying to distract the thread.)
Anyway, here's a "Generic List of What I Think of Everyone!™"
Zindaras - I find it hard to imagine a Scum being as upbeat as this guy! Good analyses of posts, etc. Would be surprised if he turned up scum.
Xdaamno - Doesn't seem to go overboard on content-filled posts. Only real "big" post from him, Is here. Is it just me, or does:
...seem like it's trying to nudge suspicion, without trying to be seen as having any?xdaamno wrote:Guardian: Eh, not too sure. It dosen't stretch my imagination for guardian to be scum, so I'll just reserve a 'I told you so'.
JordanA24 - Majority of posts are incredibly short. Quite reclusive. Seems to be posting general points without actually getting "in" the discussion.
YogurtBandit - 3 posts - confirm - random vote = 1 post.
xyzzy - 1 post. Like YogurtBandit, only without the confirm and random vote (possible lovers? )
Sacred - Another player who gave a good analysis on the game so far. Seems to have a similar playstyle to that of Zindy.
Adel - I have absolutely no idea where to go with Adel. On one hand, quite pro-town posting about the VIs, and on the other hand:
I still don't know what this means!Adel wrote:unvote:xyzzy vote"NabakovNabakov" but not for his actions.
I've made it clear before, but I really don't like this post!Adel wrote:BTW, the darko wagon is long enough. It is time for y'all to get off and move on.
Sir Tornado - An incredibly vague scumvibe from this post.
Seemed as though he was trying to paint the scene in black and white in an attempt to draw suspicion at me. Otherwise, quite neutral vibes.ST wrote:Well, you are taking an "anti-Adel" position here, and Adel is "anti-quicklynch" (in the post to which this was directed at) so this becomes "pro-quicklynch"
Oh, and quit hijacking my italics...
Honary Hitchhiker - 1 post - confirm = 0 posts!
darko - Honestly couldn't be bothered posting a rehash of the thread here... Still...
Well tell us then, Mr Holier-than-thou... There's not need to insult our intelligences too.darko wrote:Explain to me why it is worth it to keep suspecting and voting other people if you really just want to lynch me anyway sooner than later. By the way, there's a really good answer to this if you think hard.
ryan - I honestly can't see the reasoning behind a number of people's suspicions of him. I'm getting pretty much a null vibe.
Numenorean7 - Not very many posts, but they all have more than one line, so I'm happy! Can't really get much of a read of Numen...
NabakovNabakov - NNs sudden switch from "If you're getting pegged as scum in your games that means you're a bad player" which seemed quite aggressive, to teaching Guardian how to be the perfect townie bothered me a little.
I do have to honour him though for giving me the best "Out-Of-Context Quote of the Thread™"!
FeRnAnDo - 2 posts - confirm - random vote = 0 posts!NN wrote:We don't want to lynch you because we don't like you
pickemgenius - Whilst I agree with the idea of not posting lots of content until everyone has arrived, I don't really think that's a good tactic at page 10! Also, since this is a list, I'll defend myself against your "Giant Post of Death™" in a subsequent post.
Guardian - I didn't like his "giving up" phase, but I can see why someone would. And I didn't like the "short daysarebetter for town" phase either, simply because, well... it's not really true, is it?
Erg0 - 4 posts - confirm - random vote - random vote fix - "yikes" = 0 posts!
somestrangeflea - Not exactly the most content filled of posts. Seems to pandering...
Sarcastro - Seems to be randomly jumping into the thread, points fingers, then leaves again... A quite strong scumvibe...
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I didn't mean that in a nasty way, I just meant that you've been quite involved in the thread, but haven't really made any "big" posts like a few other people! I look forward to your next post though.Xdaamno wrote:@flea, not sure if it's my timezones or something but I'm finding it hard to keep up with this game, sometimes. I'll make another content post by the end of the day, hopefully.-
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Seriously, what do you want?NabakovNabakov wrote:I think it's interesting that both Pickem and Flea started to (or made an attempt at) posting content right after my post.
When we don't post much content, you accuse us of lurking. When we then do post content, you think it's suspicious.
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I apologise. Normally when people say something is interesting, they are trying to draw attention to it, and that normally means they think it's suspicious! Sorry!NabakovNabakov wrote:Did I say suspicious? I said interesting. I have trouble thinking of a situation where the fact that a player started contributing could be termed definitely "suspicious." ...
I'm going to go with Option B on this one...NabakovNabakov wrote:Just interesting, it brings up questions of whether you knew what you were doing or if the posting made you realize how little you'd contributed to this point.-
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Aha. Must've missed that, thanks! Adel swings out of my "Neutral-Scum" column into my "neutral" column...Sacred wrote:
Much later in the game (about 2 pages ago) she said it was because of playstyle differences she noticed in NabNab's posts.flea wrote:
I still don't know what this means!Adel wrote:unvote:xyzzy vote"NabakovNabakov" but not for his actions.-
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ryan - with added somestrangeflea wrote:-somestrangeflea
Post 81 sums up what I was thinking on darko at that moment as well. FingersJordanand Guardian on the top of his suspect list in 91.
No, I fingered Darko and Guardian...
Post 114 is an obvious follow. You agree with his post and than vote Guardian (rev up the bandwagon)
Are people no longer allowed to agree on things?
I also don’t like one of your reasons is because the darko bandwagon was crawling (if you think he’s scum why unvote?).
Because this game has more than 1 scum in it, and I felt that Guardian now deserved the attention, since we'd made as much progress as we could trying to talk to Darko, IMO.
Feels to me like you were hopping you’d get darko lynched and when the support fell off you went on to somebody else. If your numbers that you bored us with for two pages were “barely relevant” (Post 234) why use them? Oh I know, NOISE.
Posts 220-232 is the range of the "numbers" posts. There's 12 posts, between 3 people, of which I made 6. Now, 2 pages = 50 posts, so don't try to both exaggerate and peg a "distraction" on me solely.
301 is a scumlist, and not sure why you put it out there. Nothing to talk about? Or just a thread filler? Seemed out of place.
Because, 2 posts earlier, Xdaamno was talking about his scumlist...
348 is a player analysis, a good bunch of thoughts on Adel as I’m sold on her right now as well, so I understand what you were saying, but she is a tough read. 360 was right on to NabakovNabakov, seems as though he jumps back and forth on what he considers to be scummy and what he thinks is content, a good place to call that.
Well, it's nice to know you agree withsomethingI say! =D-
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Analysis, starting with post 375...
I'm going to have to agree with this! Having a tendancy to bandwagon is just me, however. I sincerely hope that what's coming classifies as content!NN - 375 wrote:Let's just say I see Flea as having a more... energetic style than other players, the kind of style that would have the tendancy to generate a lot of noise. His tendancy to bandwagon is a solid tell, and that's why I commented, but to be honest, quickwagoning seems to be the hallmark of this game. I hope my comment will get him posting content, and then everything will be cool.
This, to me, seems an awful lot like "I'm not lurking, kthxbye." I can imagine that it's difficult to keep up with the thread, but by now, YB must have some kind of opinion on happenings. He popped in at 232 with a single, content-less post, so it's not as if he's been away or anything...YB - 383 wrote:I think Im going to re-read the thread..
Whilst I agree with the reasoning behind not discussing players you believe to be pro-town, I've noticed that, if you leave out players you believe to be pro-town, you get people later on going "Yeah, but what do you think of X?" where X is the name of that player!Guardian - 391 wrote:One thing I will say before delving in, is that I disapprove of people listing every player in the game and commenting on them. I am taking a page out of MeMe's book here -- she made this argument in a game where I was scum and she was town -- and I agree with her that it is not pro-town to draw attention to those you find to be highly pro-town.
Bandwagon and pressure are IMO, quite closely linked, with one major difference. For town, the point of Bandwagon is to create pressure. For scum, the point of bandwagon is to mislynch.Guardian - 391 wrote:
I don't understand how.Sacred - 326 wrote:To me, pressure is one thing, bandwagon is another.
Then what does he actuallyGuardian - 391 wrote:Eh, I think Sarcastro tends to be lazy and his scumhunting is not superb...doto help us? Other than bat baseless accusations around the place and make anyone who challenges him look like scum?
1. IMO, editing what someone says to show "what they meant to say" is quite scummy. How do you know what ryan meant to say.Guardian - 391 wrote:ryan meant to have wrote:He had to admit to knowing it and that his comment was "rhetorical effect" for me to know that. It wasn't a misrepresentation on my part it me was not having enough info to accurately make an assesment.
2. If youreallyhave to, at least edit it so that it makes sense!
And I want my italics back...
I think I've posted that... once...Numen - 397 wrote:Fleaboy has been acting kinda silly. He doesn't post much content. He does make some good points, but I'd like to hear more from him. Repeatedly comments that "Zindy wins the thread".
Well try...Sarcastro - 405 wrote:If you don't like the fact that I'm generally lazy and unhelpful day one in these sorts of large games, that's just too bad for you.
I'm listening...Sarcastro - 405 wrote:I can you give you a long explanation if you'd like, but suffice it to say that I'd be happy to lynch any of the four people I mentioned before, as well as, now, you.
Oh, and don't try and put us off by claiming it'll be alongexplanation. You can't get away with claiming you know it all, not explaining anything, and claiming that were all "not very good" just because we don't see these magic invisible tells of which you speak.
2 out of 5?Sarcastro - 405 wrote:And no, Guardian, my scumhunting skills are perfectly fine. I'm willing to bet that at least two of the five people I've called out so far are scum. Would you care to check your PM and confirm?Wow...For someone who seems so confident, 40% success doesn't really fit...
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No it's not. With posts likeSarcastro wrote:Also, Fleaboy, I said "at least", and 40% is pretty damn good day one.
andGuardian, Nabakov, Adel, Pickem? No way it's that easy. But which one of them could possibly not be scum?
...which are all completely certain of who is scum, any success rate of <100% is bad for you.Sarcastro wrote: I'm sad that you're scum, Nabakov. You're one of my favourite newbies.
No, I think it's an inconsistency, and thatSarcastro wrote:By the way, do you think that, for example, saying that only "at least" two of five people are scum when I've been acting so sure is a scumtell?isa scumtell.
Yeah, because it'sSarcastro wrote:I really hope that Zindy isn't scum. If he is, he's going to absolutely crush you guys.ourfault if you screw up...
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Votecount:
Adel (1): ryan
pickemgenius (1): Erg0
Darko (2): YoghurtBandit, FeRnAnDo
Guardian (3): Numenorean7, Sarcastro, Sacred
somestrangeflea (1): pickemgenius
Numenorean7 (1): Adel
Sarcastro (1): JordanA24
JordanA24 (1): Guardian
Not voting (8 ): Xdaamno, xyzzy, Honary Hitchhiker, darko, Sir Tornado, NabakovNabakov, somestrangeflea , Zindaras
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