Mafia 63: Wolves - Game over!

[JordanA24]

Hi all, been looking forward to this since I replaced in.

Anyway, like Mitzef, I need a reread as well.

Mod

, was the fletcher an ordinary townie or was he a power role?

[JordanA24]

According to Wikipedia, a milliner is a designer of womans hats, I don't think a role like that would be scum, no idea what Phoebus means by "a good death(?)"

[JordanA24]

I'm pretty sure that Twito's death was a Vig kill, he was my Number 1 suspect, from games I've read, Vig's usually kill by guns (In this case, bow and arrow), while SK's use something like knives, so, I don't think we have an SK at all, I doubt they'd miss their kill 2 nights in a row.

Anyway, re-read as soon as I get back.

[JordanA24]

Mildly suspicious of Anca, due to his lack of content in posts.

But Pooky, what was the argument with Admiral about over his jokey vote about? Great and experienced players like you should know that was simply a joke. And Admiral's hardly a noob, he joined last September. Explain please.

[JordanA24]

Hi Skruffs and FM. Looking forward to your analysis.

[JordanA24]

You know what, Theo's got a good point there. Especially if we look at this post:

I've changed my mind slightly - if we can't get replacements I'm all for lynching some dead weight for the sake of the fun of the game. At least Twito speaks occasionally. Any other suggestions? Any of the non-posters given us any cause for suspicion? Let's lynch a slacker, get this day over with, and move on to the blessed relief of Day 2.

Blessed relief of Day 2? We were on Page 10, hardly a long and arduous day. And what do you mean if we can't get replacements? A bit hasty aren't we?

FOS: Tally

[JordanA24]

Let's see where a bit of pressure goes.

Vote: Talitha

[JordanA24]

Nobody else vote for Tally, let's hear an explanation before we consider putting her on -2.

[JordanA24]

Wow. Is this how modern mafia is played?
Good lord.

Vote : Jordan

Reading. Page three was interesting.

What's that supposed to mean? I'm just saying nobody else should vote for her until she gives us an explaination, no point rushing things, that's what got Tally into trouble in the first place.

[JordanA24]

Well, what's the point of voting her at all, if you are going to turn around and say "Nobody vote further" - if nobody votse further, and she KNOWS nobody votes further, then you've jsut undermined teh wagon entirely. It's like trying to direct a power role.
Well, maybe not that bad, but do you see where I am coming from?

*slaps head* God, I'm thick sometimes.

[JordanA24]

This arguement between talitha and BM seems like a married couple bickering to me, it's going no where, and the wife will win anyway.

[JordanA24]

I firmly disagree Miztef, let's instead treat this as a best case scenario where 4/5 antitown roles are dead. Surely that will make us wildly optimistic and make the mood better? you wouldn't want to depress us would you?

And battlemage, it's unfortunate, but even the Grand Master of the Matarese Circle does not dare slight the Global Alliance of Housewives. Their penetration into all facets of life is complete, the geopolitical might unchallengeable, their military influence untouchable, their supreme control over many daily chores unmatched, their advances in the political arena unstoppable. Pause to consider for a second that the head of US Foreign Policy for 12 of the last 16 years has been female and that Germany(which we know is the cause of all world wars so far) has elected a female for their president. If the Krauts have caved, I don't see what chance we stand. France nearly had a female elected, and America seems likely to fall in 2008. Everyone knows that the starting point for the feminist conquest of the world was New Zealand, they've spread from there with such speed and ferocity that hasn't been matched by anything in HISTORY. Barely a mere century after they first secured voting rights they have forced their way into the highest offices of the most powerful countries in this world. Talitha happens to be from New Zealand and thus I would imagine to be a descendents of one of the top officers of the female insurrectionist movement that has been rapidly taking control of this world. Sometimes a man has to know when he's beat and take his hits. I think she won't cause you as much pain if you just give in to it. And on top of all this, I honestly can't do my own laundry.

Pooky for Prime Minister. That way she'll get a servent to do her laundry for her.

[JordanA24]

Really sick this last weekend so didn't get to catch up.
Why the hell is Talitha at 4???

Because of this:

I've changed my mind slightly - if we can't get replacements I'm all for lynching some dead weight for the sake of the fun of the game. At least Twito speaks occasionally. Any other suggestions? Any of the non-posters given us any cause for suspicion? Let's lynch a slacker, get this day over with, and move on to the blessed relief of Day 2.

OK, we're on Page 10 after 2 months, but still, we shouldn't be lynching people just because they're lurking, maybe a bit of pressure will wake them up, if not, they'll get replaced, or modkilled, we shouldn't be lynching lurkers IMO, they might be a doc or a cop.

[JordanA24]

Here's a little taste of BM so far - not by all means helpful, dontcha think Miztef?

Im leaning towards Fircoal being town

Fircoal must be either scum, or unco-operative town. Probably should be lynched either way

good point. his unwillingness to contribute to the game smells a bit odd. Must be scum

Vote: Fircoal

the fact that you have made absolutely no attempt to help catch scum in this game is peculiar. Even YOU are usually more pro-active than this. The only reason i can think of for you being so downright lazy, is that you dont really care who gets lynched, as long as it isnt your scumbuddies.
You look like scum to me.

I wouldnt say hes exactly scummy, but he needs to get his arse into gear.

i dont think lynching lurkers is a good idea.

im also pretty sure that Sorcerer is a scum role. if it was protown, it might have been Magician, or Wizard.
Sorceror has connotations of evil dontcha think?
BM

yes, i think a

Vote: Talitha

would be a good start. the post identified by Jordan does look scummy.

Yeh BM is much scummier than Talitha after comparing the two.

I'd disagree here, I think his posts say he's trying to catch scum, particularly these two:

the fact that you have made absolutely no attempt to help catch scum in this game is peculiar. Even YOU are usually more pro-active than this. The only reason i can think of for you being so downright lazy, is that you dont really care who gets lynched, as long as it isnt your scumbuddies.
You look like scum to me.

i dont think lynching lurkers is a good idea.

I also agree with him that 'sorcerer' sounds rather anti-town, pro-town would be something like 'wizard'.

[JordanA24]

unvote: Battlemage

vote: Jordan

After reading Day 2 so far, I feel like this is a better vote.

Note to self: Keep an eye on Pooky, Niempie, Miztef...

What, for defending people who I think are innocent, or that stupid mishap?

[JordanA24]

Jordon is a better vote than BM - and i see that you have incurred more votes from others because of it.
NV9, why did you omgus talitha for voting jordon?

First, it's Jord

a

n, and second, neither of us are great votes, BM is acting strangely but not scummy, and I made a little slip after pointing out some very scummy posts, I was only trying to make sure that Tally didn't get too many votes before getting a chance to explain herself, not that I'm too bothered about that now, I see Tally as the correct play at the moment, I can see gut feeling being used as an excuse to not give reasons for voting, so I'm slightly suspicious of ~N9V~ as well.

Minor FOS: ~N9V~

[JordanA24]

Why should only scum get cookies?

I WANT COOKIES!

[JordanA24]

Good point.

unvote, vote Jordan

What is?

[JordanA24]

Skruffs, a slip? I guess you're refering to the post of mine that was pointed out as "scummy". I don't believe it's a slip at all to try and get the game moving and press for votes and action. I believe it is the opposite, and good town play. Plus I play mafia for fun and lurkers and flakes aint fun. That kind of post is not typically or necessarily scummy. Many, many scum would prefer to sit on their haunches, make no waves and wait for a deadline.

If you want an example, go read any game with Internet Stranger in it and you will see what I mean. He is one of my mafia playing influences.

The thing that made me suspicious was that you specifically called for a lurker lynch, lurkers who might be important pro-town roles who can easily get replaced. Lurkers should only be lynched under desperate measures, such as an impending deadline with no obvious active scum.

[JordanA24]

I've changed my mind slightly - if we can't get replacements I'm all for lynching some dead weight for the sake of the fun of the game. At least Twito speaks occasionally. Any other suggestions? Any of the non-posters given us any cause for suspicion? Let's lynch a slacker, get this day over with, and move on to the blessed relief of Day 2.

Exactly where does Tally mention modkills here Skruffs?

If only I had 2 votes.

[JordanA24]

Skruffs, it doesn't matter how much people contribute, if the things they contribute are scummy then we should lynch them, Tally's play is scummy, and so's yours right now as well, lynching lurkers is hardly ever a good thing, end of story.

[JordanA24]

I'm not being opportunistic, I'm trying to catch scum. Surprisingly, that's what this game's all about.

[JordanA24]

THat's fair, niempime, I just don't see how jordan is coming accross as town. I say oppurtunistic because he took another person's vote, hopped on, and built a case to push for it. MAYBE he's just lynch happy town but the reasoning behind the talitha wagon is not enogh to merit 4 votes right off the bat. MAybe tha's jsut my opinion.

Theo pointed out Tally as being scummy, so I viewed her posts in isolation to see whether I thought it was justified, then I discovered that post and thought it was scummy, so I voted for her, nothing wrong with that is there? It's the best lead the town has, so the amount of votes on her makes sense.

[JordanA24]

Tally, why am I likely scum? You've said gut but I prefer reasoning I can argue against, gut just seems too convenient to me.

[JordanA24]

Well if that's the case, why are you voting BM? And anyway, why should I be lynched?

[JordanA24]

Theo, you seem to be vote hopping a lot, and looking for the best bandwagon.

Theo replaced The Goat didn't he?

[JordanA24]

It's just that The Goat looked kinda scummy in his few posts as well. Skruffs has only been marginally better that Theo or Tally, but I will admit he has redeemed himself slightly over the last few posts.

[JordanA24]

I didn't mention specific players when saying Tally was scummy, she was talking about lynching any lurker. I'm very interested in this game, and no accusations or speculations? Have you tried reading my posts. It's helpful to do that before making comments like that.

[JordanA24]

Hi all, been looking forward to this since I replaced in.

Anyway, like Mitzef, I need a reread as well.

Mod

, was the fletcher an ordinary townie or was he a power role?

Speculation

According to Wikipedia, a milliner is a designer of womans hats, I don't think a role like that would be scum, no idea what Phoebus means by "a good death(?)"

Speculation

I'm pretty sure that Twito's death was a Vig kill, he was my Number 1 suspect, from games I've read, Vig's usually kill by guns (In this case, bow and arrow), while SK's use something like knives, so, I don't think we have an SK at all, I doubt they'd miss their kill 2 nights in a row.

Anyway, re-read as soon as I get back.

More speculation

Mildly suspicious of Anca, due to his lack of content in posts.

But Pooky, what was the argument with Admiral about over his jokey vote about? Great and experienced players like you should know that was simply a joke. And Admiral's hardly a noob, he joined last September. Explain please.

Suspicions

You know what, Theo's got a good point there. Especially if we look at this post:

I've changed my mind slightly - if we can't get replacements I'm all for lynching some dead weight for the sake of the fun of the game. At least Twito speaks occasionally. Any other suggestions? Any of the non-posters given us any cause for suspicion? Let's lynch a slacker, get this day over with, and move on to the blessed relief of Day 2.

Blessed relief of Day 2? We were on Page 10, hardly a long and arduous day. And what do you mean if we can't get replacements? A bit hasty aren't we?

FOS: Tally

Accusation

Here's a little taste of BM so far - not by all means helpful, dontcha think Miztef?

Im leaning towards Fircoal being town

Fircoal must be either scum, or unco-operative town. Probably should be lynched either way

good point. his unwillingness to contribute to the game smells a bit odd. Must be scum

Vote: Fircoal

the fact that you have made absolutely no attempt to help catch scum in this game is peculiar. Even YOU are usually more pro-active than this. The only reason i can think of for you being so downright lazy, is that you dont really care who gets lynched, as long as it isnt your scumbuddies.
You look like scum to me.

I wouldnt say hes exactly scummy, but he needs to get his arse into gear.

i dont think lynching lurkers is a good idea.

im also pretty sure that Sorcerer is a scum role. if it was protown, it might have been Magician, or Wizard.
Sorceror has connotations of evil dontcha think?
BM

yes, i think a

Vote: Talitha

would be a good start. the post identified by Jordan does look scummy.

Yeh BM is much scummier than Talitha after comparing the two.

I'd disagree here, I think his posts say he's trying to catch scum, particularly these two:

the fact that you have made absolutely no attempt to help catch scum in this game is peculiar. Even YOU are usually more pro-active than this. The only reason i can think of for you being so downright lazy, is that you dont really care who gets lynched, as long as it isnt your scumbuddies.
You look like scum to me.

i dont think lynching lurkers is a good idea.

I also agree with him that 'sorcerer' sounds rather anti-town, pro-town would be something like 'wizard'.

Speculation

Jordon is a better vote than BM - and i see that you have incurred more votes from others because of it.
NV9, why did you omgus talitha for voting jordon?

First, it's Jord

a

n, and second, neither of us are great votes, BM is acting strangely but not scummy, and I made a little slip after pointing out some very scummy posts, I was only trying to make sure that Tally didn't get too many votes before getting a chance to explain herself, not that I'm too bothered about that now, I see Tally as the correct play at the moment, I can see gut feeling being used as an excuse to not give reasons for voting, so I'm slightly suspicious of ~N9V~ as well.

Minor FOS: ~N9V~

Suspicions

I've changed my mind slightly - if we can't get replacements I'm all for lynching some dead weight for the sake of the fun of the game. At least Twito speaks occasionally. Any other suggestions? Any of the non-posters given us any cause for suspicion? Let's lynch a slacker, get this day over with, and move on to the blessed relief of Day 2.

Exactly where does Tally mention modkills here Skruffs?

If only I had 2 votes.

Accusations

Skruffs, it doesn't matter how much people contribute, if the things they contribute are scummy then we should lynch them, Tally's play is scummy, and so's yours right now as well, lynching lurkers is hardly ever a good thing, end of story.

Accusations

Theo, you seem to be vote hopping a lot, and looking for the best bandwagon.

Theo replaced The Goat didn't he?

Accusation and speculation

It's just that The Goat looked kinda scummy in his few posts as well. Skruffs has only been marginally better that Theo or Tally, but I will admit he has redeemed himself slightly over the last few posts.

Speculation and suspicions

Sorry everyone for that ridiculously long post, but Skruffs sort of insisted on it. He's now plummeted to the bottom of my pro-town list.

Unvote Vote: Skruffs

[JordanA24]

Why not Skruffs?

[JordanA24]

because im less certain of him being scum. Theo on the other hand, im very confident of being scum.

Well Theo is vote hopping a lot, and using the excuse 'I'm testing for reactions', but Skruffs is straw-manning me (Is that the correct term?).

[JordanA24]

OK, my vote was slightly emotional, I was sick of him saying I wasn't contributing when I clearly was, but that's still scummy, he's just picking on the most convenient town lynch, so my vote stays.

[JordanA24]

I'm here and very VERY soon posting something with content.. hopefully.

Are you replacing in?

[JordanA24]

[JordanA24]

unvote fielding

Useless vote.

vote: jordan

[JordanA24]

I don't understand why your post - which is a series of quotes that seem to be denigrating your own game play - makes me look suspicious.
On the plus side, I'm glad Talitha is not advocating a lurker lynch anymore. Now she's advocating a scum lynch. ^.^
Vote stays,

Your reasoning for my "scumminess" are completely false, I am contributing, speculating and accusing and I am interested, if I wasn't, I'd just lurk and maybe post occasionally, all you've done is jump on my slip, and when you realised it wasn't working, pull some reasons out of your ass to try and make me seem scummy.

[JordanA24]

I don't understand why your post - which is a series of quotes that seem to be denigrating your own game play - makes me look suspicious.
On the plus side, I'm glad Talitha is not advocating a lurker lynch anymore. Now she's advocating a scum lynch. ^.^
Vote stays,

Your reasoning for my "scumminess" are completely false, I am contributing, speculating and accusing and I am interested, if I wasn't, I'd just lurk and maybe post occasionally, all you've done is jump on my slip, and when you realised it wasn't working, pull some reasons out of your ass to try and make me seem scummy.

[JordanA24]

The fact you are still clinging onto my slip is more ironic IMHO. What suspicious behaviour are you talking about? Because I can't seem to find any.

[JordanA24]

I'm not clinging, not at all - if I remember correctly, you are the one who stated that. I saw scum and now I see hypocritical scum. ETc etc, if my opinion changes, so will my vote.

Funnily enough, you've still not really pointed out any other suspicious posts. If I'm being hypocritical, then so are you. If you're not clinging, why were you still mentioning my slip 7 pages later?

[JordanA24]

I say again, if I'm being hypocritical, then so are you.

[JordanA24]

Looking at the recent activity rate, it's going to be more than a couple of people.

I could try and find some replacements if you like.

[JordanA24]

Jordan-werent you voting for Skruffs?

Yeah I was, thanks BM.

[JordanA24]

*gives BM a bucket of bait*
THe difference between me fishing and you fishing is that I catch fish. You catch rubber boots. *nod*

I'll have to admit, that made me laugh.

[JordanA24]

What gives you the impression I'm panicking?

[JordanA24]

Frustrated is better, though, I suppose you have to expect scum to try and make town look scummy, it's only their job.

Theo's made quite a good catch there, Niempie's posts have been very noncommittal and very cautious so far.

[JordanA24]

So basically Shanba, almost all the active people in this game (barring Skruffs, who's scummy anyway), and the lurkers who everyone has been going after are scummy. Yeah.

Scumbuddies anyone?

[JordanA24]

Why is not saying I am scum, a scum tell? Weird.

Maybe you should read the thread or your PM box, that might explain it.

Jordan later on pushed that someone was suspicious for lurking, or something to that effect, which is hypocrisy.

Where the HELL did I say that?

[JordanA24]

So you are saying that Shanba is scum, and that he would intentionally leave me out of his 'scum list', even though I'm way out there, because me and him are buddies together? Wouldn't that be counter productive?
Wouldn't it be more likely that Shanba, as scum, would put a mixture of his scum buddies in with obvious town, which would then leave a bread crumb trail back to someone else, so that if he got lynched, suspicion would fall on that other player?

Am I missing something really obvious, that or that statement really doesn't make much sense, why would he put obvious town in with his scumbuddies?

[JordanA24]

Why would scum say everyone but his scum buddies were scum?

I don't think he's got all town in his list, especially since he's included Niempie and DOS (nothing to do with lurkiness, his Day 1 posts I think were scummy).

[JordanA24]

Then why are you so confused about why he would put town mixed in with his scum buddies?

Because you said "obvious town".

[JordanA24]

So, you've gone from believing I'm protown to voting me.

Why are people voting for me? The only mistake I've made is the slip, I've put forward speculations and suspicions, the only reason I've been defending myself so much lately is because SkruffsScum has been going after me.

[JordanA24]

but in any case, i think you are probably town at this point.

Agreed.

[JordanA24]

I don't understand why it's okay for you to pressure someone for a 'slip up', orchestrating 3 or 4 votes on them, no less, and then complain constantly about one or two votes on you for basically the

same reasons

.
Am I scum for voting you, or is there more to it than OMGUS? Because to be honest I think trying to push for a quick wagon so close to a possible LYLO situation is a lot more suspicious than trying to keep said wagon from taking off.

My vote is not OMGUS, it's because you've jumped on my slip, held onto it for dear life, and when you realised it wasn't working, you started just making up things about me, such as saying I wasn't contributing when I clearly was. Basically, you're just going after the most convenient town lynch.

And speaking of my slip, I don't really understand why it's so scummy anyway, all I did was say "No-one else vote for Tally, she's on 4 and I don't want her quicklynched" Stupid yes, scummy no. Tally was advocating a lurker lynch when they, a potentially important pro-town role, could just get replaced. Also, a lurker is just an easy scum target, especially when the day is dragging on like it was, that's why I was so suspicious of it.

[JordanA24]

If I was going after the most convenient town lynch, I would have wagoned onto Talitha with you. That's not my perogative.

How do you know Tally is town?

[JordanA24]

Skruffs you did slip, you said you knew Tally was town, now since you aren't admitting you're a cop, you're probably scum.

[JordanA24]

my bad

jordan said it first?

i dont actually read more than the last coupla posts.

No, Skruffs said he'd jump onto the Tally wagon as the most convenient town lynch (I still think he's trying to cover up for it). To be honest, I'm not sure I liked how you suddenly came out of nowhere with a post like you did.

[JordanA24]

If you read the post, I am implying that YOU are the one trying to get a townie lynched, not me. You can try to twist it to mean that I am scum and want to lynch Talitha, but that is ignoring every other things that I have said today. Feel free, though.

LOL, it came out of nowhere.
Right.

It still doesn't explain how you seem to know Tally is town, in fact, you're repeating it more than anything. If you wanted to say what you said there, you'd have said that in your very next post, you're giving me the impression you're flailing for excuses.

Pooky did come out of nowhere, what's the LOL for? Though, now I believe Pooky's post to be pro-town pressure on an increasingly scummy warewolf.

[JordanA24]

Maybe you're the one who should read it again Skruffs, you quite clearly say:

If I was going after the most convenient town lynch, I would have wagoned onto Talitha with you.

You say Tally is the most convenient town lynch, therefore, you somehow Tally is town, three ways of knowing this:

1) You are scum
2) You are cop
3) You and Tally are masons

Which is it? And DON'T try and spin it or avoid the subject this time OK.

[JordanA24]

....
How about...
4) I disagree with your style of play.

WHAT KIND OF AN ANSWER IS THAT?! WHO CARES IF YOU LIKE ME OR NOT? YOU DON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, YOU'RE SIMPLY MAKING YOURSELF MORE AND MORE OBVIOUS SCUM.

Might I point you to this:

And DON'T try and spin it or avoid the subject this time OK.

GOT IT?

Do you have a way to prove yourself?

If I did, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.

[JordanA24]

I am voting Skruffs.

I still believe Skruffs is covering up, it was still very suspicious, if it truly wasn't a slip, you definatly worded it very poorly.

[JordanA24]

Why has no one voted for Skruffs still?

Miztef, maybe you should research your facts before making statements like that, I'm already voting Skruffs, and I said so a few posts ago.

[JordanA24]

This game is being killed by lurkers.

[JordanA24]

I'm voting for Skruffs.

Fixed it, thanks.

[JordanA24]

Mod

: I request we try one last time with prods before a mass-modkill, ~N9V~ and Jingolaw are posting elsewhere, but not here. Unfortunatly, Ancalagon, FM and possibly Niempie seem to have left the site, and need replacing/modkilling.

[JordanA24]

Jordan, keep up, Melish has been replaced by Shanba.

Sorry, I was going by the front page.

We should just lynch Niempie.

I'd prefer Skruffs, but Niempie is my second choice.

Ancalagon - well yeh Pooky can shoot him down in the night.

Are you implying Pookyscum? If so, why?

[JordanA24]

Saying we should be Lynching lurkers is scummy, obv.
But suggesting we start modkilling a bunch of them? That's pro-town.
Yeah, vote stands.
Yes, I know Phoebus has already suggested that players will be modkilled, but in my experience, people who suggest having Select players modkilled tend to be scum. And then it's good to look at who they avoided suggesting having modkilled.

As Pooky said, they were going to get modkilled anyway, and I was asking if Pheobus could try one more time with prods on those still active in other games, but not here. Vote stands.

[JordanA24]

Fine. I'm cop, Pook's isn't scum, have fun guys and gals.

Now I know what Theo means about you being useless.

[JordanA24]

I'm going to have to believe ~N9V~, if he's lying scum, he's pretty much sold himself out for no good reason, and if Pooky is his scumbuddy, that'd be seriously stupid, the only remotely sensible reason he could have done that is if he is scum, and Pooky isn't.

[JordanA24]

Niempie still alive! What gives.

n9v should if he's telling the truth have two results. Being that we've had two nights. Fact that he only blurted out one innocent is very odd.

I'd advise the replacement not to post the other result (presuming he has one), even if it's a guilty, since we don't know your sanity yet. I'd give it another couple of nights worth of investigations, under doc protection, before posting any more results you get.

[JordanA24]

Double Post: If Skruffs wasn't so very scummy, I'd be happy to vote Niempie.

[JordanA24]

I think he might have just forgotten about his other result, his claim post did look rushed.

[JordanA24]

Obviously if he has two different results i.e one guilty one innocent then we ought to hear it.

Why?

[JordanA24]

Because say n9v has a guilty from his first investigation, Pooky he has as town then - One of em's scum obviously or ~n9v~ is just being a cad.

Either way without the cop contributing to the discussion we still don't know if he was being serious.

I was thinking that he should investigate a couple more times first before posting in thread to try and determine his sanity, I'd rather we wait a couple of days for accurate results rather than waste a lynch, we still have a doc.

[JordanA24]

I disagree: if he has a guilty, we ought to hear it. We don't know if he'll survive the night or not, and if he therefore has a guilty, and we lose that information, we'll be kicking ourselves.

I'd imagine we still have a doctor, there isn't one dead yet.

[JordanA24]

I can't see any of the roles that are dead being a doc.

[JordanA24]

I'd be happy with a Skruffs or Niempie lynch, I'll see if others end up agreeing with me over Skruffs, but it looks like Niempie's going to be the wagon for today.

[JordanA24]

I see that the bandwagon will be on me when we will reach the deadline.
I am not sure what I can do about it right now, mostly because theopor_COD is really trying to get me lynched. And for what? I haven't seen anything that would worry me, or something that I can try to explain to you. I know that I have been a bit quiet lately, but I already said that last week I had a busy week. Both at home and at work.

It's because all your posts have been very non-commital, we've already said that loads of times.

[JordanA24]

*bump*

Our deadline's in an hour, so, we really need to lynch somebody

NOW

.

Unvote Vote: Niempie

[JordanA24]

I'd imagine the sibling would be like mason.

Really want to hear from n9v and being as we've not nailed a werewolf yet, we're in dire need of a good break.

QFT

And on that note,

Vote: Skruffs

[JordanA24]

You said in your last post of yesterday that you'd be gone till Monday, the day Niempie was lynched, so you not being on her wagon is irrelevent. And even if you weren't away, trying to clear yourself by not being on the Niempie wagon is WIFOM.

I hope BM's sibling doesn't die, we hardly need any more town losses, but I was thinking, if BM's sibling was to kill themselves, they'd have done so at dawn today, not during the next night.

[JordanA24]

Oh for God's sake Skruffs. I put a vote on Niempie so we had a lynch that day. My comment was completely different to Tally's because in Niempie's case THE DEADLINE WAS IN 1 HOUR.

And this comment is COMPLETELY ridiculous:

Hmm. Lynching lurkers is baaaad. Lynching people who advocate lynching lurkers is gooood. But then, lynching someone who's not contributing, one step up from lyurking, that's goood.

POSTING LOADS OF THINGS THAT ARE NON-COMMITAL/NON-CONTRIBUTORY IS A WELL ESTABLISHED SCUM-TELL, AND LURKING ISN'T. People could lurk for any number of reasons that's not game related, but posting junk all the time is definatly a scumtell.

I think you should know by now that I'm going after you loads because I think, nay, I'm

sure

you're scum, and your last post was just another example of why you are scum.

I was obviously mad at ~N9V~ since he claimed cop for no good reason and when he said he wanted replacing. Obviously I'm going to be mad if someone does that. And I think Theo's been pretty solid town so far, so, I think I can trust him.

[JordanA24]

I have a gut feeling our shooter is a vig, albeit a rather active one. Twito was looking scummy IMO at the end of Day 1, and I can see why people might have found BM scummy as well. And arrows sound a bit like how a vig would kill as well.

[JordanA24]

BM's got an unorthodox playstyle that appears scummy to a lot of people, I've played with him before, so I knew that he was being his normal self, and I could tell he was probably town. But someone who might not have played with him before might have thought he was scummy, and killed him for it.

[JordanA24]

No, without being able to quote or use ongoing games, I can't show which games, but there's a couple of other games where I'm almost certain he's scum, and he's played differently in those games, so I thought he was town, plus, I had a real gut feeling he was town anyway.

[JordanA24]

Nope. I'm sure you found him a tasty meal, Mr. Warewolf Skruffs.

Btw, happy scumday!

[JordanA24]

Who do you think is scum Pooky?

[JordanA24]

Pooky:

Who do you think is scum Pooky?

[JordanA24]

I'm fine with being investigated, it'll prove I'm town (assuming N9V's sanity is in check), then we can go after Skruffs.

[JordanA24]

If I really had to guess a scumteam now, I'd go for Skruffs (obviously), Tally, and any 2 of Ancalagon, DOS, Jingolaw or Shanba. But atm I am only willing to lynch Skruffs, the other 5 I meantioned have not got enough evidence against them for me to happily vote them.

[JordanA24]

Hmm... I think the town is jumping to conclusions about the other sibling, who neccessarily says that just because the role is sibling, it means they are neccessaily going to die the next night, it's more common that a sibling dies the night after their partner dies, but it doesn't mean that happens all the time.

Jingolaw, I say again, we were an hour from deadline, Niempie was looking the most suspicious, I didn't really have a choice, it was Niempie or no-lynch, and no-lynch is hardly ever a good thing.

Jingolawm you're on my scumteam roster because I have a slight gut suspicion of you, but you're very interchangable, I said "If I had to guess a scumteam", and I said the only one I'm willing to lynch atm is Skruffs.

[JordanA24]

Jordan - what 'evidence' is there for me?? I am so confused. Here's some evidence against you: You ignored everything that happened yesterday after your wagon (like the deadline wagon, the night deaths, etc) to focus back on me today, which I have seen scum do in two or three games now. Anime Mafia - mini, yamahoko on cubs fan, day two, and PS2SUX mafia, klebian on coolbot, is two of them. I can probably russle up more, if you want.

Obviously, someone hasn't been reading the thread. Almost every single argument you make against me is pure craplogic. Honestly, when will you learn to give up, it just ain't working. It's almost as if you've got a grudge against me or something. Also, you just posting your very weak argument against me (again), rather than defending yourself, when the evidence I've posted is as clear as the nose on your face I'd imagine means you can't defend yourself against the arguments I post against you.

Obviously I'm going to focus back on you today, the one and only reason I unvoted you yesterday is for some reason, no-one else was voting for you, we only had an hour left, and we really needed a lynch. You seriously think I'm going to forget EVERYTHING you did yesterday.

And just because sometimes scum do something, doesn't neccessarily mean all scum do it and townies never do. And I'd imagine in those examples, the ones who were going after one person had a lot of support in the thread as well, if I were scum, I wouldn't be solely be going against you, because no-one else is voting you.

[JordanA24]

Firstly Skruffs, you're constantly attacking a protown player (ie.Me), and seem hallbent on getting me lynched, we hardly need another town loss, we may be in, and we're definatly close to, lylo, another town death, followed by a town NK, could be the win for the scum, aka you.

Secondly, this slip still doesn't sit right with me:

If I was going after the most convenient town lynch, I would have wagoned onto Talitha with you. That's not my perogative.

There's a claimed cop, so I doubt that was a cop slip up, so that only leaves us with that being a potential scum slip. After I questioned it, your response was:

Are you fishing, now, too?

Seemed like a very scummy thing to say, instead of answering the question, you try and reverse the story as evidence for my guilt. Also, the fact that it was ignored by a lot of people I think is further evidence that it was a scum slip. If you are town, when you made that slip, I'd bet a lot more people would have jumped on that, rather than just me (I know I'm town) and Pooks (A claimed cop has an innocent on him, a point that a lot of you seem to be forgetting).

There we are, there's my case.

While I'm at it, I think I'll revise my scumlist:

Skruffs, DOS, Tally and 1 of Anca, Jingolaw and Shanba

DOS after a quick lookthrough of the game, I'm not happy with,

Jingolaw I have been lurking terribly in every game I'm in across the board because my whole life has been taken over by work lately. I've been able to get on for roughly 5-10 mins a day and haven't had time to really keep up with any of it. But I was talking to Phoebus about the prod yesterday, and he did not want to replace me (I don't blame him, and I really did intend to be more involved in this game when I replaced in.)

So I am posting now, and no I don't have a post restriction either.

From top of the list down:

~N9V~:

Has posted a total of 6 times with no content ever. Potential scum.

Ancalagon:

Hasn't posted since May 31, but seemed to be trying on day one. Possible town.

Battle Mage:

He has been playing the way I have always seen him play, and as such I have no real read on him. I always think he is scummy.

Jingolaw:

Has been trying the whole game with various posts full of content, though he has not posted as much as some others, he is trying to find the scum in my eyes. Probable town.

JordanA24:

Has been saying a lot, while saying very little at the same time. He is trying, but I'm not sure what he is trying to do. Could be scum, could be town.

Miztef

Has been pursuing Jordan as scum for much of today. But has said why he is doing so. I'm not sure about him either.

Niempie:

Lurked and then attacked Skruffs, and then went back to lurking. Probable scum.

Pooky

I can never tell if Pooky is serious or not. Has made a lot of "joke" statements, but throws in a post with tons of content and reason every once in a while. Possible town.

Theopor_COD

I get a very town feel from Theo's posts, but can't really put my finger on why.

Talitha

Many have called her scum for reasons I don't understand, but I don't find a lot of content in any of her posting either. Could be either town or scum.

Skruffs

Replaced into the game and has succeeded where many others, including myself have failed, in contributing to the game. I get a town feeling from him right now.

Fielding Melish

... I got nothing here... not even from the people he was replacing... 4 posts total between the three of them.

So I will

Vote Niempie

VERY wishy-washy analysis, I think I count 3 "Not sure's", 1 "I always think he's scum" and a lot of "possible"'s and "potential"'s. And a lot of the people he had marked down as scum are either confirmed or claimed town (~N9V~, BM and Niempie) and he had Skruffs as town here as well.

Also, the majority of his posts have been very short and contentless. When they're not, they've been either defending himself or Skruffs, or putting the 4th vote on Fircoal. I think Fircoal's role name suggests he was an evil charachter, but I don't think he was part of the main scum team.

Mod:

Do you mind if I ask that, if a warewolf is killed, will their role be revealed as something like "Warewolf"?

[JordanA24]

Who's voting who?

Well, we're voting eachother.

Who wants people to by lynched for not agreeing with them?

I'm voting you for the reasons in my last post.

Who's singleminded focus since yesterday has been the lynching of ONE player?

Is this a problem if someone is 99% sure that someone else is scum?

Who's voting oppurtunistically in this game?

If you're talking about the Niempie lynch, I say for he last time, we were 1 hour from deadline, and we needed a lynch. Since the town wasn't willing to lynch you, it had to be Niempie.

and I flip flopped it on you and said you were doing the exact same thing you were accusing me of doing.

I don't believe you, the way you worded it made it look like much more than that. Why do you think most people just ignored it? Even if it wasn't a scum slip, imo it still looked enough like one that it should have been examined more by the town.

You seem to have this incredible bias towards me for questioning your actions, and that's going to end up getting you in trouble.

It won't, if the town's got any sense, you'll be lynched by the end of the day.

And what's your opinion on DOS?

[JordanA24]

Do you mind if I ask that, if a warewolf is killed, will their role be revealed as something like "Warewolf"?

That is quite likely.
Probably with better spelling

[JordanA24]

Talitha: Don't forget about the misspellings, which he wouldn't have done if he was really a werewolf, right?
I'd like to roll my eyes but I don't know the icon for it.

I'm not going to dignify that with a comment.

[JordanA24]

[JordanA24]

Maybe he's seperating us all into pairs for some reason. Pity there's 11 of us. *Waves at Pooky*

[JordanA24]

Analysis of players:

Theopor_CoD

: Has been actively pursuing who he thinks is scum. Though he does lack in content in many of his posts.

He pushed very hard for a niempie lynch,

and does not seem to be helping the town all that much. He is on my scum list after this reread. I'd like to ask you for a post on what you think of the players still in the game as well.

Niempie: Lurked and then attacked Skruffs, and then went back to lurking. Probable scum.

So I will Vote Niempie

Seems pretty hypocritical to me. And I also disagree strongly with the point about Theo not helping the town and not posting much content. I'm quite tempted to change my vote (I'd love to see the look on Skruffs face as he reads that).

[JordanA24]

Well, you did call Niempie probable scum, but I see what you mean when you say there's a difference between what you did and what Theo did. But I still disagree with you saying Theo's not thelping.

[JordanA24]

Well, you did call Niempie probable scum, but I see what you mean when you say there's a difference between what you did and what Theo did. But I still disagree with you saying Theo's not thelping.

I'm not saying he isn't trying to look like he is helping. Just to me it doesn't feel like he really is.

How so?

[JordanA24]

Unvote Vote: DOS

This game needs a kick up the ass. Maybe a claim will do that? A likely scum vote is a likely scum vote.

[JordanA24]

A mass-claim wouldn't be a bad idea IMO.

[JordanA24]

A likely scum vote is a likely scum vote.

[JordanA24]

I say Skruffs first, DOS second.

I want a mass claim for exactly the reason you said I might not want one, there's probably about 4 scum, and I have 2 suspects, so I want a broader range of possible scum.

[JordanA24]

So you're saying I should ignore you? Not going to happen. I've not got "Skruffs=scum blinders", I've got a working scumdar.

[JordanA24]

Look, likely about 4 scum, if I were scum, I'd claim townie, so, from the claimed townies, we've got a potential pool of suspects to work from.

[JordanA24]

Bad news people, I've just checked Miztef's profile, and apparently he last posted on July 13th, so I'm guessing he also needs replacing.

[JordanA24]

I like the above plan.

If we go down that route, I'd suggest Skruffs, DOS, Tally.

[JordanA24]

OK, Pooky, lets just say that we said that we're definatly having people claim, would you prefer a mass-claim or having the 3 most suspcious people claim. If you prefer the 3 scummiest option, which 3 would you like to see claim?

[JordanA24]

I urge people to actively try to find replacements to keep this game going.

[JordanA24]

Happy Birthday Tally!

[JordanA24]

~N9V~ claimed Cop

[JordanA24]

Ok let's get back on with things. Are we still okay with a massclaim?

Yes

[JordanA24]

EBWOP: Hi and thanks to all the replacements.

[JordanA24]

I can agree with that, as long as DOS and Skruffs go next.

[JordanA24]

DOS, followed by Skruffs.

[JordanA24]

M'kay, and Skruffs?

[JordanA24]

EBWOP: Btw, I'm not sure I believe the claim, my vote stays on DOS for now.

[JordanA24]

Let me guess...

[JordanA24]

Well, if you want to make someone who a claimed cop has an innocent on claim before someone who you're pretty certain is scum, that's your choice I guess.

[JordanA24]

Jordan encourages cop not to reveal second investigation. Why? I don't understand that. It could have narrowed the potential scum field.

It would have narrowed the potential scum field, but in the same stroke, it would have been another confirmed townie (assuming ~N9V~ isn't scum) with a great big target painted on their back.

[JordanA24]

It would have narrowed the potential scum field, but in the same stroke, it would have been another confirmed townie (assuming ~N9V~ isn't scum) with a great big target painted on their back.

I don't quite agree with your logic here, Jordan. Wolves should know who is a townie anyway. They don't need a cop to tell them.

The town don't however know who's town and who's not, scum want as few confirmed townies alive as possible, since it narrows the scum field, and any decision they make is more trusted by the town, so, the scum want to kill confirmed townies.

Jordan - We want cleared people. Period. That's the point of the mass claim. IF you were worried about targets, I think you'd have been mroe reluctant to make everyone claim.

We weren't in a likely lylo situation back then, the only reason we're mass-claiming now is because of that.

[JordanA24]

Any news Quag?

[JordanA24]

Pooky's claimed, who hasn't?

[JordanA24]

Fair enough, I'll claim.

I'm Battle Mage's mason partner. I know the word "Sibling" is used in the OP, but this is misleading, my actual rolename is "Orphaned Sibling", my role is straight-up mason. Nothing unusual's going to happen tonight.

Me and BM have breadcrumbed/defended eachother plenty of times. See:

My posts: 13, 51, 78, 79, 82

BM's posts: 58, 65, 73

[JordanA24]

So, cicero, Shanba and Theo haven't claimed.

I think cicero should claim last considering he's been found innocent by N9V. I think Shanba should claim next, followed by Theo.

[JordanA24]

well this is easy

lynch DoS,

Shoot Skruffs at night, if he's real gong farmer it wont kill him.

have another investigation

Test TAlitha night afterwards same way

/agreed

Let's lynch DOS now, the claim didn't do anything for me.

[JordanA24]

HAMMAH TIME!

[JordanA24]

DoS is lying; if he were jester he'd have self-hammered by now.

QFMegaT

Can I hammer?

*Gives Quag a hammer*

[JordanA24]

I think Bobby may well be scum, now I reread the game. Jingolaw (the guy he replaced) defended Skruffs a fair few times:

Jordan and theo both seem a little scummy, only in that both are posting a lot without much content...appearing to be helpful without being such. Please note that this isn’t just

ad hominem

; I think there’s little to go on, and both may simply be eager to discuss things and not have much to discuss. In the abstract it seems a little scummy, though.

I don’t get the Skruffs=scum argument. Skruffs hasn’t done much other than point out standard flawed scum-hunting techniques (correctly), and questioned the motives of some votes (usefully). Jordan’s vote on Skruffs is thus suspect to me.

@ BM: I agree that Skruffs seems a bit random, but I don’t see that as scummy at this point; I mean fishing at this point doesn’t seem unwarranted, does it? In any case, it seems a bit hasty to cast (get it?) a vote for Scruffs just for fishing. Just saying.

I’ve never seen what was so scummy about Skruffs despite all the fuss and bother, though I do see a

potential Skruffs - Dragons connection

.

Theo and

Jordan

both look town to me, as both seem to be alert and vigilant.

*Also note how he notes a Dragon-Skruffs connection rather early, and he thinks me as town despite him also seeing Skruffs as town (he's never given a reason with evidence for this either up to this point)

Jordan’s continued accusation of Skruffs makes him look steadfast, but I don’t like how you brushed aside Skruffs’ valid points about you rushing Niempie’s wagon, Jordan, even if Skruffs is scum.

Pooks is looking a bit scummy with the most recent posts, not that I wholly disagree with a DOS lynch

In the 2nd paragraph, he also doesn't dismiss a DOS lynch, and he FOS'ed him earlier when he wasn't voting anyone. Seems like he is trying to keep his distance from DOS without going outright against him, while defending Skruffs.

I agree that DOS’s analyses are tragically noncommittal...DOS votes for theopor in the last post, but read his very own analysis of theopor...would you vote for a player based on that anaysis? On the other hand, I know all about not having much time to spend on mafiascum, so DOS isn’t on the scum list just yet.

Again, he is saying DOS is scummy, but he isn't prepared to add him to the scum list "just yet".

This distancing from DOS and defending Skruffs would also kinda make sense if he was in a team with both. Granted that DOS was the alpha-wolf, but Skruffs is an experienced player and is a good player, while DOS isn't too experienced, and not as good as Skruffs (especially in this game).

The List:

Likely Wolf:

1. Skruffs
2. Dragons

By now, DOS is under a fair amount of pressure, and Skruffs had just claimed Gong Farmer, which was a pretty poor fakeclaim, I'd imagine it'd look especially so from someone who knew it was fake, so he decides to uber-distance from both.

Vote:bobbyplump

[JordanA24]

I wouldn't have claimed truthfully in the massclaim either if I was a doc.

[JordanA24]

Shanba, why is backup doc an unlikely fakeclaim? I've always seen it as quite a popular fakeclaim.

Besides, it looks like it's going to be one of Pooky or Bobby today, since their claims seem to conflict eachother.

[JordanA24]

Why? Sorcerer's Assistant doesn't seem very unlikely.

[JordanA24]

I don't know, newbies can be smart about fakeclaims as well, or it might be a mod-given safeclaim. Either way, I'm not convinced he's town. He's certainly scummier than Pooky at any rate, and you've said you'd amazed if Pooky was scum.

[JordanA24]

Well hang on, if the Alpha Wolf is dead, why would Pooky turn up innocent to investigations if he isn't the Wolf GF?

[JordanA24]

It'd be extremely odd for any scum but the GF to be investigation immune.

[JordanA24]

Woot! Great game guys! Good job Pooky!

I'm pleased I was right about Skruffs.