NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

[Ricastle]

I saw enough from bella to lower the suspicion level

vote Elusive...

What did you see? Nothing's changed since you voted her last.

[Ricastle]

That's a bullshit excuse to townread Xayzeck.

I'm willing to sheep Grib on this. I think he's onto something.

I'd also be willing to lynch Ricastle for that fake as hell "solid content from Grib." followed by reading Xayzeck as town on weak ass grounds.

Half of my scumreads are scumreading Xayzeck, and they're some of the only people pushing him. Come on. It's only logical for me to townread him.

[Ricastle]

Your reads are based on who scumreads KC or who KC scumreads. That's pretty bad, even if she's scum.

I don't find it funny that Peace is on both those wagons since Peace is town and it would be kind of weird for him to vote as a bloc with his scum partner anyway.

That was one point. As I said, I liked her posts, and she was being wagoned without much reasoning. Naturally, I'm going to be partially reading people based on stuff surrounding KC because it's an event in the game that people act and react to. Those actions and reactions are how reads are gathered.

Why is Peace town again?

Not really. It assumes your reads are correct (one of the biggest voices against Xayzeck right now is Grib, who's town and even you just said you were doubting your read on him) and is, bottom line, a really superficial and easy-to-fake way to form reads.

I'd rather stick to my reads than contradict myself. That's all there is to it.

[Ricastle]

This can be interpreted as "changing my read might look scummy".

It's really because I've got my head wedged up my ass. There, I said it.

[Ricastle]

Grib asked for definitive stances on Xayzeck, so I gave one. Distracting was not my intention.

[Ricastle]

Jesus fuck I evidently haven't ISOed him before. Nope, no way I can even begin to defend that. Scum based on his own actions.

[Ricastle]

Never said I was properly townreading him. You asked for a definitive stance, and an association townread was the best I had.

Why didn't I ISO him before giving an opinion? Good question. Answer: I'm a fucking idiot

[Ricastle]

BagelS, Rubicon, dave, Creative, Bella town, Nero & House nulltown. Elusive, you, Klingon scum. Peace too if there are 5 scum.

[Ricastle]

Also there are only 4 scum in this game.

How do you know?

[Ricastle]

How do you know

for sure

?

[Ricastle]

Not sure but IF they are i'm certian they'd bus their death smei-clears bella.

So how does that validate a Bella vote over a Klingon one?

[Ricastle]

But your actual reasoning for thinking Bella is scum entirely relies on Klingon being scum. Do you agree with the reasoning of those you are sheeping?

[Ricastle]

Also, I just don't agree with Ricastle that there wasn't reason to FOS you over the Boon and then House things. I found those to be weird then and now.

That's not what I said...Klingon FoSed Nero for a specific angle House was equally guilty of. She accepts this, as is evident in 1384, and used custom as an excuse to get out of it. It's bottom-line selective scumhunting.

Who is your top choice for lynch right now? Because it doesn't appear to be Xayzeck.

Things I still need to do: Meta dive Ricastle

Good luck with that, bub.

[Ricastle]

I'm at the gallows waiting for Klingon to arrive.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Xayzeck

[Ricastle]

You do not get three town counterwagons to a wagon on town.

VOTE: klingoncelt

Die.

[Ricastle]

Oh, yeah, and Klingon defended Boon early on. Chew on that!

[Ricastle]

Is that how it's used? I thought it was the Traitor who didn't know who the Mafia were. Eh...it's not majorly relevant either way.

[Ricastle]

Scummy:

Klingoncelt
Peacebringer

WELL WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT

[Ricastle]

seriously you think boon is coming out tunnel busing KC?
I don't buy it.

I read a game yesterday where Boon was scum and claimed Tracker to out his buddy, eventually resulting in game-winning towncred. So yes, I do.

[Ricastle]

The point is, scum Boon is willing to do crazy shit as a gambit for towncred. He could also have been trying to attract the attention of his scumteam; you never know. But the lone fact that he tunneled KC does nothing to clear her.

[Ricastle]

dumbest reason to call someone scummy ever!

ffs. You're the one who brought up Boon's tunnel on KC as a point to her being town. That has nothing to do with my scumread and you know it!

And then you go on to concede my actual point! Thanks for doing that much, anyway. Now come quietly and you and your buddy KC can die quick, painless deaths.

[Ricastle]

Taly, have you fully read the game yet? If so, what's your read on Vampirate?

[Ricastle]

I conceded no such point, I played out the options...

Boon knows scum, tries to bus, possible...

^ That was my point.

no survivalist mindset.

You must be joking. Her reaction to my scumread on her reeked of survivalism.

Who are the town I specifically am pushing and who are the scum I'm defending? How have I been proven wrong?

[Ricastle]

lets see, you defeneded Boon
you pushed Skold and wanted to make sure of it
you jumped in and basically took control of the last day... helping tilt the egg that was broken being broken...
there has not been one thing done
and no, Klingon does not come off that way to me at all, she comes off as not giving a rats ass what you think and basically telling you to shove it...

Where exactly? And how would I as scum know Boon (the Mafia TRAITOR) was scum and defend him accordingly, anyway?

To be honest, deep down I wasn't massively confident in the Skold wagon. But at the stage in the day where I was egging people on to vote him, there was so little time left that no other wagon could possibly be built and ridden to a lynch in time. It was that or NL.

How the actual fuck could I possibly be interpreted as taking control of the Day 2 lynch. I was one of the last to vote Xayzeck, and I never pushed him. You know that was Grib's wagon as well as anyone here, as evidenced by your first post of the day, so stop bullshitting.

1391 and 1417 beg to differ. That isn't a 'not giving a rat's ass' mindset.

[Ricastle]

yes, we all know that was your bleeping point, it is actually the least likely to occur of the 4 actual options... but hey, go head and push that shit...

Oh, right, so 'possible...' means less likely than 'makes no sense' and 'could happen but unlikely'.

This is grade-A bullshit right here.

[Ricastle]

how is this survivalist, Ricastle. It comes off to me as an answer to a questions "Things a Vanilla Townie might say." Please, tell me how you think that post is survivalist mindset? Sure, scum can "fake VT" and say stuff like this but it matches what I expect a VT would say.

It's blatant threatening. A maneuver that's attempting to make me back off. It certainly doesn't sound like how a VT would react to one vote, I can tell you that.

@1986: She's really making no coherent point in that post and is voting me straight after elusive's chainsaw. She's sheeping elusive to deflect the pressure on her onto me.

[Ricastle]

@1994: I didn't feel remotely threatened but that to me seemed clearly to be the post's intention.

@1997: Keep on misrepping, bub. See how many arguments it wins you.

[Ricastle]

I also don't like how people seem to regurgitate their reads and reasons to vote against someone yesterday to today. This derails town.

The Klingon wagon got completely derailed itself yesterday. All the recent events have done, if anything, is make the case

more

viable.

And I just realised 1997 is referring to 1391 rather than 1417. Nevermind the misrep then. Nevertheless, you're the one viewing things from the wrong angle here and at this point there's nothing that's going to change that.

[Ricastle]

Yes, it was meant for you. I understand that wasn't clear. Sorry.

[Ricastle]

So. A wagon fails to take hold, that proves the suspect is Scum.

Umm, no.

Jesus christ...

[Ricastle]

The number of replacements in this game is getting ridiculous...

Nero, how do you read this reaction?

[Ricastle]

Nero, how do you read this reaction?

I think its pretty pathetic regardless of alignment. Technically its null 'cause either alignment could replace out like that though its

ATE

ish and I wouldn't put it past him to replace out to get his slot some town cred. Also his reasoning is p dumb.

Why are you asking me?

I'm pretending to look like I'm doing something. Don't know what answer I expected honestly.

Peace, who is NOT an egg to you at this point?

[Ricastle]

vote:peacebringer

join me RIP

If Peace is scum then so is Klingon. Stop wasting time and join the larger wagon

[Ricastle]

Playing the gif card now, eh? Someone must have done something right.

Pedit: Town lean. I kinda liked RIP's entrance.

[Ricastle]

Said buddy being? House? When did that happen exactly?

[Ricastle]

That's kinda the whole reason that there's so much pressure on Celt. Like she was treating me and House differently even though we are responsible for the same thing. You even made a post about this bro so I'm a little surprised that you asked. IMO that's just as much as a defense job as Peace calling her an egg.

I didn't register it as a defence exactly, but I guess so. It isn't out of the question, for sure. The shenanigans surrounding my attack on Klingon and the nature of Peace's defence made me more liable to find that relation scummy.

[Ricastle]

Rubicon, I don't know I feel like I'm against the grain and we keep lynching people I don't find scummy and it's tiring.

Wait, you DIDN'T find Xayzeck scummy?

[Ricastle]

Nero, seeing as Xay was town, what are the reasons you're still townreading Grib?

[Ricastle]

O fucking kay. Well that happened.

Peace, why did you track KC night 1?

[Ricastle]

It really baffles me why you would, as a detective role, out yourself with very little pressure and less than sound results. Not looking good to me.

[Ricastle]

being essentially threatened to be vigged is not a little pressure and your response now is even less than stellar... you just throwing this shitty response out there... the more you speak the less "frustrated" I am and the more likely you are to be scum to me.

The logical thing to do in that situation would be to engage with Grib as to why he was willing to shoot you as you assumed, and iron out the lumps. You didn't even try that before claiming which seems manufactured. Claiming in your position is no better than not claiming in regards to your survival, anyway.

Grib, are you seriously claiming Vig or not? I'm confused.

[Ricastle]

Did you attempt to shoot Night 1? If not, is there a disclosable reason you didn't?

There does not necessarily have to be an investigative role in this game. Especially considering there's probably a protective role of some sort.

[Ricastle]

It's a big game. Why not an Investigative + Protective combo? Plus whatever I am.

Mafia had a Traitor. I am not vanilla. Doesn't sound balanced unless there's 5 scum.

[Ricastle]

Also,

Ricastle, are you still scumreading me, or have you given up on that hopeless dream?

It would be fairly unwise to scumread an un-counterclaimed killing role with a scum kill to their name, so, sure.

Rubicon, I don't know I feel like I'm against the grain and we keep lynching people I don't find scummy and it's tiring.

Wait, you DIDN'T find Xayzeck scummy?

Nero, seeing as Xay was town, what are the reasons you're still townreading Grib?

These seem contradictory.

I was under the impression elusive thought Xay was scummy. Not that I thought he was obviously scum.

[Ricastle]

ricastle...
since you are out there as not vanilla, the only reason I thought perhaps you would be so stubborn regarding KC was if it was an alternative investigative that came up different, either that or ultra cocky with your reads, or scum trying to lead town. I still do not know which...

You are free to dispute my scumreads. I am not inclined to agree with you; why is not doing so cocky?

[Ricastle]

That doesn't have anything to do with the reads themselves, but anyway...

[Ricastle]

Advertisement and product are two different things.

[Ricastle]

Mod: Are we allowed to know the specifics on the variant of Traitor used in this game?

[Ricastle]

I need to catch up on the game, scum read me for this if you wish. I'll see what I can come up with when I get home.

this is odd...

I agree.

[Ricastle]

4)

My hunch tells me that Ricastle is a possible suspect for killing Creative last night. I get this based off of 1813 alone, and partially because Ricastle never really replies to this. But evidently hops on Xays wagon 1853 with really nothing to provide over the subject.

No, bro. I felt no need to answer that because if Creative simply read the previous couple of posts he would have found Grib asking me for reads OTHER than Xayzeck, whose read I had (stupidly) just declared. It was so minor I couldn't be bothered to answer it.

The idea that Ricastle has overall seemed a bit controversial, and the idea he's been on both mislynch wagons as well makes me wonder if he's playing with a high survivalist mindset.

I was one of the main pushers of Skold, and while jumping on Xay was idiotic, I wouldn't call it survivalist as my wagon had already fallen apart. I am in no danger of being lynched, anyhow. Survival is pretty low on my list of priorities.

1)

What was your reason for going on the Xay wagon? What was your read on him at the time?

Ugh, well. That whole fiasco was a clusterfuck for me. I had what surmounted to a gut feeling Xay was town, and was pressured by 3-4 people to provide a read based on his actual content. My mindset was pretty warped going into his ISO and as a result I was finding scum indicators where there really weren't any. I rashly made 1797 as a result, and got on the wagon when I believe it was at L-4(?) and it was clear enough that it was the day's lynch.

2)

1789 - 1797 - Really do not like these posts. It feels like you're giving people reasons to forgive you for appearing indirect with your read progression. What are you trying to achieve here?

I already answered 1797, and 1789 is pretty much a face-value post.

[Ricastle]

On one hand, I think Errant could be scum for the way she got on my wagon and is putting Klingon as town for no apparent reason, but on the other, I think 2311 may well have been a townslip. I don't feel confident in a push here, anyway. We need to get back to Klingon.

Klingon, your arguments against me are laughable and it's making me all the more confident you're scum for pushing such arguments.

[Ricastle]

But then again, if we go with the MS wiki definition of a normal Traitor, then Boonskiies would have essentially been leading a lynch on his team, and. That's really annoying to think about.

As I pointed out earlier, scum Boon is willing to kill a buddy for towncred. Also, as again previously pointed out, Boon could have been trying to get his team's attention. He's a weird guy. His actions alone aren't enough to put Klingon in the green, as far as I see it.

my preference is RIP

Why?

[Ricastle]

That's what happened! I know, it was stupid. But it's the word-for-word truth about what I was thinking.

Scum would know the amount of scum in the game. Errant's previous post makes it seem like she legitimately believes there is 5 remaining scum, which is obviously not the case.

[Ricastle]

So I took a gander at Boon and while he didn't vote anyone else

I think this is House vs Nero is town v town. I feel I'm pretty good at figuring out if House is scum, ain't that right, buddy?

this right here is alarm bells.

He also joked around calling Kitz scum early on and later got her replacement, RMM, mixed up with House. That would make sense if both slots were...

the same alignment

!

What do you say to that, RIP?!

[Ricastle]

My almighty reads list:

Town:
Rubicon
Grib
Elusive
PeaceBringer

Leaning Town:
Errantparabola
PointYBagelS
House

Null:
Vampirate
Nero Cain
Taly
RationalMadman

Leaning Scum:
Davesaz

Scum:
Ricastle

Why are you scum-leaning on Dave despite the townslip two of your solid townreads have claimed to have seen from him?

[Ricastle]

What has he done that's off?

[Ricastle]

I'd suggest hopping onto Klingon if I were you. I'm sure you wouldn't want to lynch a claimed Tracker over a claimed VT, right?

[Ricastle]

Ricastle unnecessarily white-knighted the living fuck out of Nero over my saying that I saw House as less scummy than Nero. Tunneled me even unto this very hour.

And Ricastle unnecessarily claimed a weak PR.

That's not remotely true. I scumread you over the House exchange because you weren't FoSing him for the

same thing

Nero was doing, and using your customary 'scumread' of House as an excuse as to why, when in actual fact you were leaning town on him for his actions in this game. You were selectively scumhunting, you recognised that, and then used an excuse to get out of it. This is not a hard point to understand.

How could you possibly know how weak or strong of a PR I am?

[Ricastle]

RIP, I used to think the same way, that active players tend to be town and less active tend to be scum. Scum trying to mislynch lurkers is a thing here. Enough of a thing that town won a game I was recently in primarily because one of the scum went specifically after lurkers. And you definitely can't take high activity as a town indicator either. My first game on the site, the player with the most posts in the game turned out to be scum.

I think RIP could be scum. The high post count could be an attempt to exploit what would be a towntell on his other site.

Also regarding low post counts, in my particular case, I never lie about RL. I have stated several times that I've been busy, and lack of posts is not alignment indicative under those conditions.

I think one of Elusive or Nero could be scum after seeing their interaction over the last 4 pages or so. I don't like Elusive's town block.

Good post. I agree that RIP could be scum, additionally for Boon's interaction with his predecessor. I'm resultantly inclined to believe Nero is town although his case on elusive doesn't look very good so I'm hesitant to draw a division there. I'll ISO him and see if I overlooked something.

[Ricastle]

I set the case out as clearly as possible for you and you're still strawmanning and ignoring any of my actual points.

You are so very much obvScum.

Did you not softclaim?

What do you think I'm claiming then?

[Ricastle]

No, WHAT do you think I'm claiming. Since you seem to believe that I'm a weak PR.

[Ricastle]

Taly asks me to quote where she call Ric scum and I did, then she blows up and says I'm being selective b/c apparently you soft claiming in 2206 invalidates my argument that she is scummy for not voting you PRIOR to your softclaim.

I missed this. That does indeed seem fabricated.

I think elusive is scummy, don't get me wrong, but I don't think her not sheeping the townbloc at every opportunity is indicative of that. Elusive, what's your read on Madman?

[Ricastle]

Him and his replacement combined have 50 posts. That should be enough.

[Ricastle]

Ric, ISO rm and tell us what you think about him and his play.

Why are you deflecting this question onto me?

You ISO him and give me your conclusion and I will give you mine. There is sufficient material to formulate an opinion of him, and I have done so already.

[Ricastle]

Having a hard time getting into this game. Someone ask me some questions to answer.
Problem is I don't like any of the recent wagons except for RM and it sprang up super quickly
Also don't think elusive is voting herself

Who do you think it's most likely Boon was legitimately signalling to, if anyone?

[Ricastle]

Ricastle, is the 'what do you think I was softclaiming' question still on the table?

Yes, but only for Klingon. I'd like to know why she said I was "claiming a weak PR". Anyone else's responses would ruin the inquiry.

[Ricastle]

You said that you're not Vanilla.

You are clearly claiming PR or Scum.

Are you claiming Scum?

WHY AM I

WEAK

?

There is no town motivation to this level of deliberate ignorance.

[Ricastle]

I'm thinking that of Nero\House\KC one is prob scum due to Boonskiies strong interactions with these.

Why can't two be scum?

[Ricastle]

Really, the question is 'would Boon signal to multiple buddies'? Neither his interactions with House or his tunnel on Klingon look like genuine scumplay to me. I'm therefore currently leaning toward it being the case.

How could scum!Nero signal to Boon when he wouldn't know Boon was the Traitor?

[Ricastle]

Here's the thing, bubs: I would consider myself a weak PR. If Klingon has picked up on what I am, and called me weak as a result, then she is as good as confirmed scum for still tunnelling my lynch.

Klingoncelt, what power role do you think I'm crumbing that validates calling me a weak PR? This is your last chance.

[Ricastle]

Well, there you have it. Let's get 2 more votes here guys!

[Ricastle]

Oh come on. How could anyone see Klingon as town after 2650?

[Ricastle]

Fair enough.

I think there are better leads to go on right now. I would only consider it if Klingon flipped town.

[Ricastle]

As for Ricastle, I have no clue what his role is and I still find his SK fixation weird.

Now you're the one purposefully seeming to focus on one point that's been explained ad nausea!

OK yeah, I might be able to can get behind a Pointy and/or Dave lynch, but can someone give me some points over these two? ._. Just now there are wagons going on them, which I'm not entirely understanding.

The PointY and Dave wagons are complete and utter bollocks. There is literally no case on either of them.

Did you ISO Klingon and Boon, by the way?

[Ricastle]

Am I the only one seeing 2650 as scummy as all hell?

[Ricastle]

I don't recall Nero hard pushing KC although it does annoy/concern me that he always holds off voting her for a good amount of time, and when he does vote her, he never commits.

[Ricastle]

Dumb shit? Tell me how Klingon desperately avoiding a question pertaining to something that is either a scumslip or a simple misunderstanding is irrelevant.

[Ricastle]

@RIP:

I did. 2650 was replying to me addressing her about it for roughly the fourth time, in bold, and she completely refused to answer. I cannot properly explain how the weak PR statement was a slip without claiming but I can assure you that it was a slip. I implore anyone townreading me to trust me on this.

What is the case on Dave, and is it more solid than the townslip spotted by two of the most townread players in the game?

[Ricastle]

Piss, what's your thoughts on Klingon?

[Ricastle]

I got shot in an offsite game that was eating up a lot of my time SO I'M HERE.

What's the word on the block?

Klingon slipped and you need to vote her.

[Ricastle]

2472
2650

My quote within the latter is also important.

[Ricastle]

Based on 2569, I assume you also have a good idea of what my role is, right? If you do you'll easily see what I'm talking about.

[Ricastle]

Well since u soft claimed already then tell us what weak role u are. If there's reason to believe she knows ur role then that's a easy kill. She's eother scum and scum have a seer or she's a town seer which it kinda going to suck lol.

Ugh...fine. If Klingon is scum then scum knows my role anyway.

I'm a 2-shot Friendly Neighbor. I targeted Vamp the first night and BagelS the second. Obviously, if Klingon knew I was this or I was crumbing this, she is surefire scum.

[Ricastle]

She doesn't have to be a Mafia Seer. There just has to be one on her team for the scum scenario to work.

[Ricastle]

Sorry, not Seer. Rolecop.

[Ricastle]

You must be thinking of a different role. This is my role:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... y_Neighbor

So it really does nothing to clear either of them directly.

[Ricastle]

lol that wasn't a hammer Nero already voted KC

Ninja pirate'd

[Ricastle]

I find it rather difficult to distinguish between a gambit based on misinformation and genuine confusion these days...

[Ricastle]

When?

[Ricastle]

Boon's ISO. More specifically, RIP.

[Ricastle]

Although that did make me remember why I was scumreading elusive which I don't believe has changed...would actually be more legit if Klingon flipped scum.

[Ricastle]

You're not even going to claim, are you...

And Ricastle unnecessarily claimed a weak PR.

The impact of this statement depends on the fact that I claimed/crumbed a specific PR. That's no wording error. And besides, you know how to word posts well enough; that much is evident. Why did you avoid answering my question about this four times?

[Ricastle]

Regardless of what Klingon flips, you're next, RIP. I hope you know that.

And to answer your point about the role, I believe it can be considered weak in a sense and I can see it being considered weak by some people. But the main point is that Klingon clearly displayed knowledge beyond me simply being a PR. Knowledge she is not willing to divulge, and for good reason as it would completely expose her and shatter the case on me.

There is no other reason as to why she would refuse to explain herself that involves her being town.

[Ricastle]

Oh I'll try it. And I will be right.

[Ricastle]

Ricastle, why did you pick Pointy and Vamps?

I picked PointY because I had a strong townreasd on him and he didn't have one on me. Vamp was scumreading me, and was unlikely to get NKed.

KC HAS CLAIMED. SOMEBODY JUST HAMMER!

[Ricastle]

Actually...after consideration. Fuck this bollocks.

VOTE: RIP

I am getting less and less confident in Klingon flipping scum the more this guy speaks. He's set himself up to dominate unchallenged after Klingon flips town and I'm not going to risk letting that happen.

[Ricastle]

It's mostly a gut feeling. I think if Klingon flips town RIP can swoop into the leader position really easily and lead the town into lurker lynches until game over. He'd probably kill elusive in the night to stop Nero, leaving him with no competition.

While he's insisting Klingon will flip town, he's still padding her with suspicion and pseudo-contemplating a hammer to covertly ensure her lynch goes through. This makes me think his opinions of her are fabricated and he's merely playing to a plan. His predecessor also immediately sheeped me on Klingon which I could see from scum looking at a case on town they believed was solid.

He was also talking off of the assumption that KC was a town mislynch even when he thought she was hammered which seems like an idiotic play for scum partners. (2784-2785)

As I expressed earlier I think RIP is scum regardless of what Klingon flips, but after this I think it would make much more sense for Klingon to be town if he was scum. And if that is the case, then this is the last chance to lynch him before he gets too much towncred from the Klingon flip.

[Ricastle]

Ric, at this point after all is said and done, do you believe KC had done enough by her own merits to have RIP be voted over her? I understand the suspicion on RIP, it's just that I want this KC saga to be finished with one way or the other.

This will finish the KC saga. I don't believe she's done anything to look town but if RIP is scum then I doubt she is as well. As I said, I don't want to risk that eventuality occurring by tunnelling on with the KC lynch.

[Ricastle]

Here's the dilemma I'm at.

If Klingon is scum and RIP is town, what were Boon's posts to House all about? They look like more of a signal than anything else in his ISO.

If Klingon and RIP are both scum, why did House sheep me on Klingon as soon as the wagon started, and without hesitation? And why would RIP vehemently insist on Klingon flipping town and begin to build his D4 plays around that when he thought she was lynched?

If Klingon is town and RIP is scum, these questions would be answered. And even then there's still the issue of Klingon's terribly scummy play and the multitudes of counterwagons...good lord. I don't know, I really don't.

[Ricastle]

RIP being stupid- town
...
One of Errant-Rip may be bad

Assuming the first bit is intended to refer to me - how am I being stupid by voting a player you think could be scum?

[Ricastle]

RIP

being stupid- town
...
One of Errant-

Rip

may be bad

Assuming the first bit is intended to refer to me - how am I being stupid by voting a player you think could be scum?

Learn to read Ric ; P

learn to read vamp

[Ricastle]

The point is that Peace is calling RIP possible scum and I am not on his lowdown so that part is assumedly meant to say Ric. RIP and Ric are pretty similar.

[Ricastle]

So you and RIP both maybe stupid town but RIP could also be scum in the off voters...

Why do you think RIP could be scum?

[Ricastle]

It's not a matter of which is scummier; rather, one cancels out the other. In this instance scum RIP setting up for Klingon flipping town cancels out the case on her.

[Ricastle]

Alright...let's just get it done.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[Ricastle]

GG indeed! Overall, 29 different accounts participated in this game. Quite remarkable.