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This is quite a bit different from your normal opening of saying you won't vote or use your vote until you are sure.
What's up with that?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Actually Wake, game 8 offsite, your scum game, you voted for House right away but this town game here you argued against voting D1: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6502505
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In post 62, dragonspawn wrote:In post 59, ika wrote:In post 58, dragonspawn wrote:That's a rather straight forward approach ika. How about I do the same with you? Are you scum?
I'm hungry. Maybe I'll get some donuts. What kind do you like? How about the rest of you?
god i want to think of something snarky to say to it but im drawing a blank.
no im not scum im town
I'm totally flattered but I'm not God.
Ha, that's funny. Donuts with chocolate icing are the best.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 65, Garmr wrote:Fudge my preview for some reason only showed dragonspawns post. Wake jumped back onto egg I still don't like his voting pattern.
It was egg and then shiro right away. He's usually more conservative with his vote.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 68, ika wrote:In post 66, SilverWolf wrote:In post 62, dragonspawn wrote:In post 59, ika wrote:In post 58, dragonspawn wrote:That's a rather straight forward approach ika. How about I do the same with you? Are you scum?
I'm hungry. Maybe I'll get some donuts. What kind do you like? How about the rest of you?
god i want to think of something snarky to say to it but im drawing a blank.
no im not scum im town
I'm totally flattered but I'm not God.
Ha, that's funny. Donuts with chocolate icing are the best.
bleh i dislike choclate i like glazed.
what about pancakes?
Buttermilk with butter and maple syrup. OMG, I'm making that for breakfast, sounds sooooo yummy. Maybe with a couple pieces of bacon. Oh yeah...................Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 69, Garmr wrote:In post 66, SilverWolf wrote:In post 62, dragonspawn wrote:In post 59, ika wrote:In post 58, dragonspawn wrote:That's a rather straight forward approach ika. How about I do the same with you? Are you scum?
I'm hungry. Maybe I'll get some donuts. What kind do you like? How about the rest of you?
god i want to think of something snarky to say to it but im drawing a blank.
no im not scum im town
I'm totally flattered but I'm not God.
Ha, that's funny. Donuts with chocolate icing are the best.
I remember when the crispy cream opened up here people lined up outside it for 3 days before opening for some free donuts(One years worth). Kinda sad really. Oh I'm the same as silver wolf Chocolate icing here and my fave icecream flavor is rum and raisins. (Normally I hate raisins through lol)
Yep, same thing here with the crispy creme. The fad has kind of died now that the newness has worn off. I can't abide raisins in ice cream. It's mint chocolate chip all the way with me.
Just as a special treat. I don't keep it around the house because I'd eat too much of it.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 100, Garmr wrote:
Also let me point out how wake normally plays. He usually takes between 49 to 70 post to make one vote.
I know from playing with Wake here and offsite that he is conservative with his vote more as town than scum. The fact he made two quick RVS votes is definitely not normal town play from Wake.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 104, Aneninen wrote:
Dragonspawn does nothing but fluffing and so many players has gone along with him.
dragon fluffs a lot in general but don't you fluff as well anen usually?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 111, dragonspawn wrote:In post 106, SilverWolf wrote:In post 104, Aneninen wrote:
Dragonspawn does nothing but fluffing and so many players has gone along with him.
dragon fluffs a lot in general but don't you fluff as well anen usually?
I resent that. My flavor for fun doesn't change the fact that I'm investigating. There is a madness to my method.
I never said it was a bad thing to do early game because it helps in a way to sort alignments. All I said is you like to fluff and anen usually does too. It was an observation only. If I thought it was useless, I wouldn't go along with it.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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OK, dragonspawn is giving me odd vibes and playing differently than usual-more defensive for sure. I've been super busy all day and will get back to this game later tonight or tomorrow but wanted to have this noted in my ISO for now.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 119, Egg wrote:
Silver, why do think Wake's RVS is scum motivated? Do you think he expected a flash wagon and quicklynch in a large game's RVS or something? I get that it's different, but why is it scum? I admit 103 is scummy, but you voted him before that and I'm still curious about your answer.
My original vote was an RVS vote. I found his two quick votes in RVS to be odd for him because he's usually much more conservative and cautious with his vote and play in general as town. I played with him in a game offsite where he was scum and voted right away like that so it rang a bell for me. The game I linked was one example of his town game where he doesn't vote right away. A quick meta skim showed another town game where it was the same thing. He also had a town game where he did vote right away and a scum game where he replaced in and waited.
Why is 103 scummy? I read that and don't see anything scummy in that post.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 117, elusive wrote:
However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
Town but I'm getting more comfortable with scum the more I play it.
2. What is your second favoritest color?
Purple
3. Are you scum?
Nope, I'm town this game.
4. What is your spirit animal?
Wolf obviously
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?
pressure voting, questioning, analyzing voting patterns and pushes, looking at the motivation behind behavior
Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:
Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?
I don't know everyone playing so I can't say. TSO and ABR worry me because I have trouble reading ABR and TSO has a reputation of being extremely good as scum.
My answers are in bold and I have a question for you. What do you hope to learn with this line of questioning?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 182, Egg wrote:
Silver, all you did is repeat what you've already said. I get that you think Wake started this game differently than you're used to and I get that he had a scum game with a similar start. What I'm asking is specifically why Wake RVS voting rather than being cautious is scum motivated. Not everything that is weird is because the person is scum. Tell me what is going on in Wake's head that makes him lay RVS votes specifically because he is scum. To answer your question the fact that he doesn't want to be read is scummy because town should WANT people to know that they are town. Only scum should worry about whether people can read them or not. See above though. This might be something that he says all the time and not even alignment related. I haven't exactly decided how I feel for sure yet.
Because it's behavior I've seen from him as scum, it pinged scum for me. I have no idea what's going on in his head but I do know as town usually, he is much more careful about voting. That said, I don't know how strong of a scumtell this is for Wake by itself or if in general, scum are more likely to vote in RVS than town. I only know it reminded me of his scum play. That's really all I can say about it for now.
I didn't get what you did out of that post of his. I didn't find that post all that scummy really. I think not wanting to be easily read in a game could happen if you are town or scum.
@anen-I echo the sentiment that you are going to get yourself scumread if you limit your posting in the manner you described. It looks too planned out and town shouldn't really care about how their posts look in such a meticulous fashion.
If people don't like your walls, make shorter posts, but don't limit how much you talk to us because we won't be able to read you otherwise.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 190, Egg wrote:Silver, what I'm getting at is I'm not sure I buy that you found it scummy so much as you thought "hey, this sounds good" or maybe even made a mistake in seeing scumminess that just isn't there.
And when I'm town, I certainly want people to be able to read me.
Ika, ok, but i don't see why that would be obvious, especially to people who haven't played with you much.
I didn't think hey, this sounds good. That's a misrep of what I'm saying.
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Why? You can answer the other people that asked you but I specifically want you to tell me why you came in here and cast a naked voted for me considering you haven't posted anything else except a post confirming.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 202, Aneninen wrote:Silverwolf, Egg: summarize your read on Wake and on each other as well, please!
I'd like Egg to answer my 193 first and then I'll tell you how I feel about both him and Wake.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 223, Wake1 wrote:
is that kind of player who, in my mind, has untapped potential. As withSilverwolf,House, FA_Q2, andKlingonCelt, they started out making newbie mistakes and are now, ha, pretty darn good. For this game,dragonspawn, because she hasn't, from what I've seen, get angry which, to be honest, is something that I recall when she was Scum in the past. Now, of course, I could be completely wrong, and SW here, who has been nothing but pleasant, calm, and inquisitive, could simply be Scum with a newfound sense of emotional control. When you think of it it's quite scary, to be honest with you. But since when is fear not a valid part of faith?I get the feeling that she's Town
Now—and it must be said—the matter of her 47 must be discussed, because it's a valid issue to talk about, and she has very good reason to bring it up. More often than not, as Town, I do tend to reserve my vote, because the matter of mislynching is something I find wholly unsavory, whether it be on my end, or someone on the end of my spear. What ought to be noted, though, is the two votes of mine she quoted were, by nature, meaningless, because they were RVS votes, and in no way were intended to be serious. Unless, of course, you do believe that Egg should be lynched because he's an egg, or that only Scum can be vengeful with their actions, behaviors, or abilities. Should you think those votes were serious, there may be more to you that I cannot reach a personal level, because it's nothing short of insane. Indeed, I fired two RVS votes in rapid succession. If you think that means I am Scum, I daresay there is a flaw in your thinking, and that perhaps those around you are trying to capitalize on your intellectual mis-endeavor. The point where that arrow breaks is where Silverwolf then realizes and acknowledges that, in fact, I have voted right away as Town before and have been conservative with my vote as Scum, too, as is said in 172. The real question is whether or not anyone can gauge my moody mood and know what exactly I would do as either alignment. For one, I feel bored, and am currently enjoying my first weekend off in over three months. Having fun with the other players by also sending out RVS votes is something I may just be inclined to do.
, I'm kinda craving breakfast and sweets now, and I don't really recallAs for the rest of her postsfluffing a lot in general. If memory serves,dragonspawnis one to fluff, though, but fluff in itself isn't really something to worry about, so it may be better to look elsewhere. As forAneninenbeing defensive—per your 162—I'd have to actually see where in fact he's being defensive.dragonspawnI absolutely do not likeYour pointing out what you perceive to be fluctuations in the metas of others does ring Townish to me.vote ondeltawave's, and, honestly, found the exchanges between her andSilverwolfworthy of further discussion. I am not willing to vote for her today, and I am Townreading her a bit based on her current ISO.Egg
I get angry as town too if I get frustrated enough. But I've been making a strong effort to control that and I've mostly been successful so far. That said, I'm human, not a robot so we'll see.
Does untapped potential mean I still have a ways to go?
dragonspawn's defensiveness is telling me he resents me saying he fluffs when usually he takes that well 111. His vote on texcat here is weak 112 it's basically a defense of ika and not really a strong vote IMO, he's slightly suspicious to me right now
I agree with you on deltawave's naked vote and considering he hasn't posted anything but that and a confirm post, he's also suspicious to me
The other one who bugs me is Egg. I think I clearly explained my initial vote on Wake in at least 2 different posts when he asked me about it here172 and here 188 yet he still twists it into me saying "hey this looks good" when I never said or even implied that here 190. He says he's scumreading Wake based off this 103 which I don't find scummy. So, to sum up, he's defending my vote on Wake, scumreading Wake off a non-scummy post, and then twisting my words about why I voted for him into something it isn't despite me explaining it.
I got a slight townread on davesaz, ika, Nikanor, and elusive right now. Slight scumread on the two I mentioned plus Egg. Not sure of everyone else. Wake has moved to null for now. His large post like that are something he does as both alignments.
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Meta is only one scumhunting tool and I wouldn't put stock in it too much but IMO it is very helpful in reading people, especially if you've played with them in a game before.
Wake-The color you used for me is good. I like the bold red. ThanksDarkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Egg was on your wagon and pushing it. He's my top scumread right now. Garmr isn't exactly ringing townbells although I don't see anything hugely suspicious in his ISO. And I'm null on you. So, I don't really feel like helping a wagon my major scumread is pushing unless there is better reasoning given for the push.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 226, ika wrote:In post 220, Shiro wrote:In post 216, ika wrote:mkay elusive is 100% town. and anyone who tries to lynch her will be going though me.
How exactly did you come to this conclusion ?
she has played on another site with me, i know her meta and its not her scum meta
What is her scum meta like? Does she often do quizzes like this as town?
@Klingocelt-What do you think so far? I need to hear a lot more from you.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 298, DeltaWave wrote:Basically the main take-away is that I'm one of the best Mafia players to have ever lived. I'm full-on town, by the way, and I say that with 100% certainty. I'm so confident that I'm going to town-claim right now. With that being said, I am almost certain that SilverWolf is scum. This is just based on my gut reaction here. But the day is young so let's see how it goes.
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You are absolutely, positively 100% incorrect and your 3 post so far are scummy as shit.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 301, DeltaWave wrote:In post 300, SilverWolf wrote:In post 298, DeltaWave wrote:Basically the main take-away is that I'm one of the best Mafia players to have ever lived. I'm full-on town, by the way, and I say that with 100% certainty. I'm so confident that I'm going to town-claim right now. With that being said, I am almost certain that SilverWolf is scum. This is just based on my gut reaction here. But the day is young so let's see how it goes.
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You are absolutely, positively 100% incorrect and your 3 post so far are scummy as shit.
Yeah let's see how 100% incorrect I am when you flip scum.
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Considering you are absolutely wrong about me and have posted nothing of value, I'll take your words for what they are worth which is absolutely nothing.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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There's a few people in this game who have been utterly worthless. I always wonder if it's apathetic town or scum trying to breed apathy because I know if people do nothing or talk about how nothing is going on while doing nothing, it just naturally makes me not want to play.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 336, House wrote:In post 334, SilverWolf wrote:There's a few people in this game who have been utterly worthless. I always wonder if it's apathetic town or scum trying to breed apathy because I know if people do nothing or talk about how nothing is going on while doing nothing, it just naturally makes me not want to play.
I don't care about apathy.
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In post 338, House wrote:In post 337, SilverWolf wrote:In post 336, House wrote:In post 334, SilverWolf wrote:There's a few people in this game who have been utterly worthless. I always wonder if it's apathetic town or scum trying to breed apathy because I know if people do nothing or talk about how nothing is going on while doing nothing, it just naturally makes me not want to play.
I don't care about apathy.
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What do you care about in this game?
I care about interesting things.
You're interesting, Wolfie. Maybe not every post you make (who could possibly make every post interesting??), but you as a player are definitely interesting.
So are you House and thanks. I would try giving a read on you but I'm utterly shit at reading you so I'm not even going to bother right now.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 339, Wake1 wrote:In post 333, SilverWolf wrote:@Wake-Who are you scumreading right now?
I'm thinking Garmr at the moment. He tried gunning for me, then I turned about to face him and he turned away. What does that mean?
There are feelings of trepidation regarding certain other players here, but nothing with any real weight attached to it. T S O can be a powerful Town player. I have not seen much from him yet, and would like to see more.
I also feel that some players are unwilling to engage me head-on, which makes me feel like I'm going to be killed. I am a catalyst, and I want players to engage.
So you think if players ignore you in these games, that means they are scum who are going to kill you at night or try to lynch you or.....................
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In post 341, Wake1 wrote:I like both of you quite a bit, and you make the games I play in more enjoyable.
Same to you Wake and thanks. The three of us should definitely play together often. The only problem with that is the ease at which you two will be able to read me and the fact that after all this time I still suck at reading both of you.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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I think elusive is a much easier target then you House and Egg is going for her pretty strong and Flubber to a lesser extent. Just something to take note of. I don't think her quiz is that useful and is a distraction but she doesn't seem all that scummy for it. I'd be interested to see what ika says about it since he knows her.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 346, Wake1 wrote:In post 342, SilverWolf wrote:In post 339, Wake1 wrote:In post 333, SilverWolf wrote:@Wake-Who are you scumreading right now?
I'm thinking Garmr at the moment. He tried gunning for me, then I turned about to face him and he turned away. What does that mean?
There are feelings of trepidation regarding certain other players here, but nothing with any real weight attached to it. T S O can be a powerful Town player. I have not seen much from him yet, and would like to see more.
I also feel that some players are unwilling to engage me head-on, which makes me feel like I'm going to be killed.I am a catalyst, and I want players to engage.
So you think if players ignore you in these games, that means they are scum who are going to kill you at night or try to lynch you or.....................
What do you think of deltawave?
Non.
That is not what I said.
I said that I feel that some players are unwilling to engage me head-on, which makes me feel like I'm going to be killed. What I'm meaning to say is that I like riding the storm, and engaging players directly. Would you be willing to show where I said that those who supposedly ignore me are Scum? If that's not what you're meaning to say, please clarify it.
That's why I asked because I wanted you to clarify what you meant by that because what it looked like to me is you feel like players who are ignoring you are going to kill you. If that's wrong, then correct me on it but that's what I got out of it. Or do you just feel like if you are ignored all game, you are going to die or..............................? I'm mostly just curious about your paranoia.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Sorry, I'm not trying to ignore you. I'll take a look. Hold on.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Got too tired last night. I gave a slight townread here 239 due to at least trying to scumhunt and the further clarification of some of his answers made sense. I think there's scummier people but I do approve of the pressure because his answers to your questions are less than stellar. Anyone townreading texcat off a joke, who has done absolutely nothing in this game and given poor answers to questions should be questioned more.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 269, Egg wrote:Silver, again, I gave a few possibilities about your Wake vote. I find it weird that you picked one and decided that was what I was going with before I even decided myself. Personally, I was leaning towards you making an honest mistake in seeing scumminess that wasn't there. You seem to have seen something weird or different and decided it was scum. But your reaction to my listing other possibilities strikes me as, ironically, strange.
Forgot to address this yesterday. No, you said you didn't buy my reasoning for originally voting for Wake. You said it here 190. I explained it to you at least twice which I outlined here 239. Now you say you were giving me the benefit of the doubt which isn't true because you said you didn't buy my reasoning. So it's your inconsistencies that bug me in regards to your Wake vote, questions to me, and follow ups to it.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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I can see texcat being null right now but I see nothing worth a townread. Being chill in the face of questioning is o.k. but texcat has barely been questioned and barely contributing anything to the game.
I am always wary of anyone giving a quick townread in the beginning of the game but I know people do it. Never understood it.
Meh, I don't see much of a Nikanor scumcase yet either. At least you are answering questions/further clarifying your positions and they make sense to me/don't sound scummy.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 395, Egg wrote:
Silver wrote:I think elusive is a much easier target then you House and Egg is going for her pretty strong and Flubber to a lesser extent. Just something to take note of. I don't think her quiz is that useful and is a distraction but she doesn't seem all that scummy for it. I'd be interested to see what ika says about it since he knows her.
Two questions:
1. Are all "easy" targets town?
2. Why is Elusive's quiz a useless and town motivated distraction rather than a way for scum to look busy?
1. No
2. Because she does this as town. It's her thing. I totally agree it's a distraction and even an annoyance but I'm not going to judge it scummy unless she does absolutely nothing with the answers to tell us who is scum out of taking that quiz, or doesn't use it to scumhunt. Then a scumread for trying to look busy is fully justified. This is a wait and see for me right now.
In post 395, Egg wrote:Silver, I hadn't decided anything at that point. Let's look at my post:
Egg wrote:Silver, what I'm getting at isI'm not sureI buy thatyou found it scummyso much asyou thought "hey, this sounds good"or maybe evenmade a mistake in seeing scumminess that just isn't there.
See the italics. If I was sure, I'd have voted you right then and there. Now I've also bolded the three possibilities. Two of them are likely to be town where the other is likely to be scum. At most, it's a slight concern. You blow up and say I'm misrepping you, and vote me on some seemingly OMGUS grudge that just shouldn't really be there. That defensiveness is a much bigger deal to me than your stance on Wake. Unrelated: I assume you come from the same site as House and Wake, right?
Yes, Wake, House, and I all come from the same site. Klingocelt and dragonspawn also. If you look at that sentence, it looks like you don't buy my argument that I found Wake's RVS comments scummy and you insinuated I may have been thinking this looks like a good way to paint Wake as scum or that I was seeing scumminess that wasn't there. I'm fully willing to accept that if I hadn't already explained to you twice now why I was scumreading that. It should of been enough for you to determine my motivation one way or another. Your continued misrepresentation of what I was saying to you, added to the fact that you were scumreading and voting for Wake off a non-scummy post, it was worth a vote due to conflicting reads and inconsistencies. Nowhere was I OMGUSing grudge voting you nor was I being defensive. I noticed something scummy and voted for you to see how you would explain it and react to it.
That said, I get what you were trying to do and I may have misunderstood your motivation for doing it. We'll see.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 397, Egg wrote:
Silver - I don't know. The entire ISO looks pretty damn town with the exception of the illogical freakout and leap in logic at me considering there was a scum possibility in one of his actions and trying to determine whether it was or not. But when I say EVERYTHING else looks town, I mean everything. So I'm kind of conflicted. Weak town, I guess?
No where can you look at what I said and justify the words freakout. This is why I am still wary of you. Because you are twisting what I am trying to do into something it isn't. I never freaked out. That's just blatantly false. I am scumhunting you and for now, I feel like you are not being honest about what I'm trying to do and I don't like it.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Egg townreading Deltawave is off. What has Deltawave done to deserve a townread? Even a bad townread? He comes in here, calls me scum, naked votes me, answers no ones questions, doesn't follow up, fluff posts, and leaves. Egg townreads him for that. In addition to what House has said about him who is someone who is has played with him and knows him, and everything I have said about him, I really think Egg is scum here.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 417, DeltaWave wrote:In post 414, SilverWolf wrote:Egg townreading Deltawave is off. What has Deltawave done to deserve a townread? Even a bad townread? He comes in here, calls me scum, naked votes me, answers no ones questions, doesn't follow up, fluff posts, and leaves. Egg townreads him for that. In addition to what House has said about him who is someone who has played with him and knows him, and everything I have said about him, I really think Egg is scum here.
House is full of shit if he's saying that he's played with me. The last time I played a game of Mafia was in April 2014. House didn't sign up until September 2014. Therefore we could not have been in a game together. Check my post history if you don't believe me.
Nope, I was talking about Egg and how House has played with him in two other games and didn't like his reads.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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No, You explain why I am.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 423, Egg wrote:
Silver, can you show me a town game where Elusive did the question thing and nothing else for 17 pags? Can you show me a scum game where she didn't? And can you convince me that she is unaware of this meta? If you can do those things, I'll unvote.
I can't. I don't have elusive's meta. Ask ika. I can't link ongoing games. I said I don't think it's scummy until I can see what she does with it. I'm waiting for that.
In post 423, Egg wrote:Also, you calling Wake's post that I voted based on "non scummy" doesn't make it any less scummy than the one that you voted on. I feel that your reasons for voting him were wrong because weird doesn't always mean scum. The post of mine that you have an issue with was me trying to determine why you, in my opinion wrongfully called it scummy. I actually ended up deciding it was an honest mistake. So you saying that I misrepped you just feels weird to me. And even if you say otherwise, it feels like a freakout to me. Like I try to determine your motivations behind an action and before I've even decided on them, you say I'm misrepping you and you vote me. It feels panicky to me.
Except I didn't panick at all. I answered your questioning on it at least twice and I've already explained my problems with how you handled it and the follow up to it, in previous posts.
In post 423, Egg wrote:Silver, do you think Delta stepping on toes and stuff isn't intentional? Tell me why he'd do it as scum. It's bad play regardless but he put effort into the game where he was scum.
I haven't decided if he's scum or not but his play is abysmal and I see nothing warranting a townread. At the least he's anti-town, at the worst he is scummy.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 430, elusive wrote:
Ika,Since when have you known me not to be able to handle a little pressure? I've been in two Titus tunnels, I've yet to see anyone top thatSpoiler:
I was in a Titus tunnel off site once and here in a game once. I was town both times. She thought I was scum. I sympathize.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 433, elusive wrote:In post 431, SilverWolf wrote:In post 430, elusive wrote:
Ika,Since when have you known me not to be able to handle a little pressure? I've been in two Titus tunnels, I've yet to see anyone top thatSpoiler:
I was in a Titus tunnel off site once and here in a game once. I was town both times. She thought I was scum. I sympathize.
SilverWolf, I am blocking some of the trauma now but it was hundreds of back and forth posts (long ones too). And the first time we were both town. The second time though she was scum and I was town and I turned off my instincts and she totally owned that game. Titus is the best and also most frustrating mafia player I know. I could go on and on about her, lol.
First time, she was scum and I was town. Second time we were both town. If anyone can relate, I can.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 441, dragonspawn wrote:In post 229, Nikanor wrote:Wake can you post a tl;dr version of that huge wall pls
idk flub seems like a smart & talented young man ready to take on the world armed with naught but his wits and dashing good looks
You can't take the time to read it? What if he said "I am scum" in the middle of it?
He'd be lynched by the rest of us and his scum buddies would be pissed I imagine. But he didn't so we are good.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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Yes he did but the color is hard to read. Check again.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 486, House wrote:In post 453, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 397, Egg wrote:
King - Hasn't done anything except jump on TSO. Answering he likes SK stands out, but I don't know what to make of it. Need to see more before I commit to a read here. Call him slightly scummier than my null pile I guess.
Kling is aher, please.
Anyway, I like being the SK because it's much easier to play as a Townie - I'm trying to kill off the Mafia too, you see. I don't have to deal with busing (I won't hesitate to bus as needed, I expect the same from my partners.) I don't have to protect any partners. When I'm Town I'm either a useless/weak Vanilla, or I'm a PR that's totally paranoid about getting NK'd. So, as an SK I get to play as Town and kill the hell out of everyone at Night. Good times!
I am Town this game, btw.
So KC, what do you think about the fact SW rolled scum this game?
dude-looks like you drew your favorite roll this game, good for you!!Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 475, ika wrote:In post 474, SilverWolf wrote:dragonspawn are you really going to come in here and make a whole bunch of observations on nothing and say nothing? Klingon-same to you.
I expect it if it help you SW.
SW whats your scum reads?
Egg, Delta, Dragon, possibly one of Garmr/Nikanor-need to re-read their interactions, I'll give a reads list later when I have time.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 480, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 474, SilverWolf wrote:dragonspawn are you really going to come in here and make a whole bunch of observations on nothing and say nothing? Klingon-same to you.
Like anyone else is saying lots.
We have a million years till deadline, I'll have plenty to say soon enough.
Actually, they are. You should have an opinion on it by now. What is it?Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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In post 499, dragonspawn wrote:In post 474, SilverWolf wrote:dragonspawn are you really going to come in here and make a whole bunch of observations on nothing and say nothing? Klingon-same to you.
No. I came in here and asked quite a number of questions as well.
Let me ask you one.
At the beginning of the game, you were pointing out wakes inconsistency. Then he makes several posts explaining how much he respects your game play And thinks you're town. Do you think He was being sincere or trying to manipulate you into ceasing your investigation into him?
Excellent observation. Hmmmm........................................
@Wake, were you trying to appease me with a townread after I was suspicious of you?
I distinctly remember him buddying the shit out of me in his last scum game off-site but I don't get the sense he's doing it here though. Let's see what he says about this though. Wake and House are both super tough reads for me unfortunately.Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.-
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