NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)
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In post 1655, dragonspawn wrote:I'm assuming you probably are because I have little doubt that you do know because you are one of the remaining scum
Who do you think his buddies are?". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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If you like slips, how did ika know DS was the lucky choice?". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 1980, PeaceBringer wrote:so folks voting RM think there was really a scum on scum run-up? Really...
I had one reason for thinking that it wasn't the case.
After RM's continued play, I don't care about that idea any more.
it's far from impossible to have a scum-scum run up.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 1990, Randomnamechange wrote:Ironically someone recently said that I had one of the best playstyle on mafiascum.
If this is from an on going game, can RM be promptly mod-killed?". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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I just remember that AA's (scum's) attack on me for attacking Garmr, provoked Garmr to also attack me, so it's actually really unlikely that they are all scum. So I guess I don't really care all that much about them claiming early at the moment.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 238, firebound12 wrote:Explain to me how that is any indication of me being scum. And later on you put me on your scum list as if I was confirmt scum. Little quick on the accusation here?
Oh my.
and SC rockets up the scum list.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2017, FakedBlogger wrote:because that's a town post
I'm glad you think, so, but why?". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2019, FakedBlogger wrote:I don't think it's L-1
In post 1983, The Dream Weaver wrote:Nero Cain (5): Garmr, StrangerCoug, Peacebringer, Flubbernugget, randomidget
and you.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2022, FakedBlogger wrote:ohyes it is.
Because he's like, this shit ain't town you scummy fuck. And that's town in my book
What will you think about it, if Nero is town?". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2023, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 2022, FakedBlogger wrote:ohyes it is.
Because he's like, this shit ain't town you scummy fuck. And that's town in my book
What will you think about it, if Nero is town?
hmmm, I see, it's about IAI.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2026, FakedBlogger wrote:That post was scummy, and SC called it out for being scummy. Look, this is an intelligent guessing game and I'm guessing that SC is town because he's calling out a scummy post for what it is. So why don't you think it's town?
In post 2004, StrangerCoug wrote:In post 2002, I Am Innocent wrote:PS - Nero voters I'm still waiting for a reason you think scum Nero Nk'd TTH, and please no WIFOM arguments, cause as the only person who has brought this up so far, I'm not buying that.
You ask a question that will only ever attract WIFOM responses, yet you reject WIFOM responses as valid. So what pro-town good is this question supposed to further?
He's not even calling it scummy.
Just just questioning how it could be pro-town.
I think this is null. It might be scummy because it's a pretty weak attack on IAI - accusing him of not being pro-town, but not going so far as to call him scummy.
I don't think it's townish.
I also don't think that your reasons for thinking that it's a town post are correct.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2034, FakedBlogger wrote:Why do you focus on how strong the supposed attack is?
It reflects intention.
In post 2034, FakedBlogger wrote:We're lynching Nero anyway so what's the point of dramatizing at this point?
I'm not dramatizing, and I don't want to lynch Nero.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2036, dragonspawn wrote:In post 2035, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 2034, FakedBlogger wrote:Why do you focus on how strong the supposed attack is?
It reflects intention.
In post 2034, FakedBlogger wrote:We're lynching Nero anyway so what's the point of dramatizing at this point?
I'm not dramatizing, and I don't want to lynch Nero.
If there is scum in your hood, would you think d3x or Nero is more likely to be the scum?
I'll let you know when I'm done rereading.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2041, FakedBlogger wrote:Why?
Firebound looks like caught scum in the post that I quoted, DGB looks like she knew KPWN was going to flip town.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2043, FakedBlogger wrote:I've seen DGB listing pen as derp, which was accurate, but wound up being on the lynch anyway. Is that what you mean?
No it was that so and so is confirmed scum post.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2087, Randomnamechange wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: naked jogger
100% gut, I am having a hard time trying to put a csse togrther but I think they are scum.
He's obviously town, so if you're town, stop it.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2130, dragonspawn wrote:In post 2128, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 2087, Randomnamechange wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: naked jogger
100% gut, I am having a hard time trying to put a csse togrther but I think they are scum.
He's obviously town, so if you're town, stop it.
while I'm leaning town on him, how is he obviously town?
If you're leaning town on him that's great and I don't expect to convince you of what I think.
In post 2274, I Am Innocent wrote:wow, SC becomes the leading wagon at L-2, and the RM hate comes out full force. Makes me feel better about the wagon I am on.
Who are the scum protecting him?". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2283, I Am Innocent wrote:Next post, I want everyone's read on d3x and SC. If they survive today's lynching, I at least want this on record. I'll even go first.
Scum and scum
SC scum, d3x I'll have to look at.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2321, FakedBlogger wrote:@TDA Y U 2 lazy to click on a spoiler to divulge its content?
I click them. I find it irritating, and they make it hard to search through ISOs.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2322, I Am Innocent wrote:Without Nero, garmr, and TDA joining the d3x wagon, it will likely be RM.
He pushed the penguin wagon
Look at his vote history
Look at his defense of ika D2
He's in the neighborhood, and his flip will give us so much info (scum neighbor likely clears Nero and TDA, also RM for pushing him multiple days, including d2 vs ika)
N3 choice of TTH, one of the two people she suspected was d3x
Has he done anything townie the whole game, yet so many players have this magical town read on him (kith and SC are the first to come to mind).
Started D2 by pushing suspicion towards our masons and ABR, while deflecting from/defending ika and his D1 hammer
I find this convincing.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2348, Garmr wrote:tda if scum isn't dex or nero that makes scum you.
Don't be dumb.
I'm not scum. Nero's not scum. d3x might be scum, but I don't think that he's a good lynch for today - both SC and RM are better choices.
I think better choices by a long shot.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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When it comes to kthx's meta defense of d3x, the part that I am most swayed by is the bit about being able to find a voting trail for d3x that wouldn't be present if he was scum.
It makes it reasonably likely that d3x just got caught doing something that appears scummy after the fact that wouldn't have done if he was scum.
I know it's not strong, but I think it's a good enough for him to not be the lynch today.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2357, Garmr wrote:So yeh there's no scum in a neighborhood with masons a role cop, jail keeper and tracker ok what ever floats your boat.
This is completely irrelevant.
But d3x, still could be scum.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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Also, look at this:
In post 2274, I Am Innocent wrote:wow, SC becomes the leading wagon at L-2, and the RM hate comes out full force. Makes me feel better about the wagon I am on.
Who were the people who jumped on RM?
Garmr - the claimed mason.
kthxbye- no clear read
d3x - scum
This makes the statement from IAI seem somewhat contrived.
IAI what is your read on Kthx?". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2365, Kthxbye wrote:I think there has to be at least 1 scum in the neighborhood
Why?". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2416, FakedBlogger wrote:In post 2345, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 2321, FakedBlogger wrote:@TDA Y U 2 lazy to click on a spoiler to divulge its content?
I click them. I find it irritating, and they make it hard to search through ISOs.
I was suggesting to spoiler the quotes. How often do you search for quotes in a person's ISO?
I mean I can think of practical uses to do so like you identified a scummy post and want to see who else commented on it. But then the solution would be to include the quote's postnumber in the spoiler's title.
No, the solution is no spoilers.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2477, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 2474, TheDudeAbides wrote:Flubber is a good vote.
I think that DGB is scummy and there's a good chance that she was bussing Firebound day 1 cause of Fire's response to her.
Vote: DGB
So I bus'ed two of my buddies?
Yep.
In post 2478, DrippingGoofball wrote:Did I bus my buddies to save my other buddy Nero Cain?
What was the point of this?
In post 2481, DrippingGoofball wrote:But that hammer yesterday... ALARM BELLS
Why's that?". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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Well, I was wrong. DGB is town.
In post 1003, StrangerCoug wrote:VOTE: DrippingGoofball
Your last two votes weren't really that good. Your Peacebringer vote in light of the fact that he realized I wasn't tunneling him in this game, and your ika vote seems like voting for the sake of voting.
Actually, I kind of doubt that scum SC defends, scumbuddy Ika by attacking scum buddy DGB.
In post 1004, DrippingGoofball wrote:You don't seem to understand why I voted PB.
Ika votes are good.
You should sheep me, not fight me.
And this also doesn't look like interaction between distancing buddies.
In post 1214, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 1200, PeaceBringer wrote:now that being said, I might be swayed to prod Ika with a run up. Problem is only 2 days as pointed out...
So just a run up, not a lynch? Ika is that blindingly town to you?
and this doesn't look like a comment one buddy makes about another - I mean there's no scum motive for scum DGB to try to frame PB for having a town read on Ika.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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Flubber asks this,
quote="In post 909, Flubbernugget"]Kthx what's your read on ika right now?[/quote]
when it is clear that kthxbye is not scum reading Ika.
So this looks like a careful defense of Ika.
In post 1209, Flubbernugget wrote:Stranger hasn't gotten any scum points in my book. Care to elaborate?
Defends SC.
In post 1682, Flubbernugget wrote:Can't count, assuming I have the hammer.
Nero gets one post.
Stranger is his buddy
then SC is scum.
If Nero is town, which is what I think, this looks like opportunistic distancing from SC.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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This basically confirms DS and Garmr as town.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 544, Kthxbye wrote:I'm racking my brain to try and remember any time d3x has posted like this as scum as it's ballsy scum play and from what I know about d3x scum, he's the opposite of ballsy as scum.
Which games are you using for your d3x scum meta?". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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If there are 4 scum, I don't think scum NJ kills IAI. IAI would have helped NJ with the d3x lynch he'd been pushing.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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What changed?
In post 552, d3x wrote:I'm not convinced that there has to be Scum in the Hood.
In post 2121, d3x wrote:2Masons+3Hoodies = potentially 1 Scum, but not guaranteed.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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In post 2583, d3x wrote:What changed is that we seem to be going down the rabbit hole on the 'Hood must have Scum' thing.
Thinking that someone who happens to be in a neighbourhood is scum is not the same as thinking that an arbitrary 3 person hood in a large game must have scum in it.". . . for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened."
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Well, kthx is conf. town.
Lynching the claimed masons would be dumb, and I think they are town.
I think it is very unlikely that Nero Cain is scum.
I think DGB's interactions with the scum make her somewhat less likely to be scum.
RM is more likely to be town because he didn't realize that Ika replaced AA. There's also the fact that he claimed VT and didn't try to draw out a doc claim (assuming pacman was a vig kill and the scum kill failed)
NJ is somewhat more likely to be town because the IAI NK doesn't make sense if he's scum, since IAI would have helped him with his d3x lynch, but looking at IAI's ISO he was scum reading NJ, so that's reduces the value of that reasoning, but still why not keep him alive a day to force the d3x lynch.
Then there is d3x. So far it seems that the best reason to think that he's town is kthx's meta read on him. It's also fair to say that as scum he probably would have interacted with the other scum differently. Nevertheless I think that IAI's case on d3x is decent.
One thing that makes me worry more about RM is the way that flipped scum avoided his wagon at it's peak: