That would make today very easy for me. How do you know at least one of us is scum? How is CES so sure Thesp is scum?Actually, much worse than odd, because we now know that at least one of CES/Mgm HAS to be scum.
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MBL: You asked CES what wagon he wouldn't follow Glork onto. I'd like to ask you the same. What person would you not be willing to lynch right now?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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MBL: Before you say you didn't notice them, I'd like you to respond to the posts that were made during your lengthy analyses.
Non-voters: If you had to put all your eggs in one basket right now and vote, who'd get the chop?
Everyone: Who are you least willing to lynch right now?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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CES, I want a single name for both questions. (please specify which name is in answer to which question)Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I'm sure I attacked you too. How is that any different from Glork's attacks?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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If you're scum together with MBL a lack of quicklynch would hardly be exonorating.Patrick wrote:
Actually, Thespscum means that Glork has to be town, and I have to be town, due to the lack of quicklynch.CES wrote:f I had to choose between you and Glrok, I'd probably go with you, as Thespscum does not imply GlroktownShow"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Right back at you.Thesp wrote:Mgm wrote:Everyone: Who are you least willing to lynch right now?I really, really don't like this question and don't think anyone should answer it. Flaming FOS of botherment: Mgm.(I'm sad to see some people have answered it already.)FOS: Thesp
Have a good think about why that question is important and non-scummy.
ÃMgm, what do you think of Cogito Ergo Sum?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Really? I thought it was evident.
It's starting to look like people are disagreeing with me just for the sake of it.
MBL/Glork/anyone, care to enlighten these two or should I?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Of course you do. That way you can tailor your response to fit. I don't think so.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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So other people who aren't called Thesp can still answer it before I explain.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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That is a very, very bad idea. No one should listen to Thesp until he can come up with some awesome reason why we should. I can think of at least one compelling reason we shouldn't.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Well, I'm trying to make scum commit to something for one thing. If they say "I want Stoofer lynched" they're not getting away with not following through on what they said when the opportunity arises. The same goes for least suspicious.
I have another motive for asking, but revealing that would make any answers that come after it useless, hence me not telling.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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If my questions are so bad, then telling you might thoughts on CES is just as bad.
Double standards, people.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Fine. But please note Thesp's double standards too. If answering my question is a bad idea, I see no reason why answering his (which is very similar) is any better.
I think CES has climbed the ladder of suspiciousness and the person I would least like to lynch is Glork.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I might be least likely to lynch Glork, but that doesn't mean he's off the hook. He made few good points and he has shown he understands my reasoning (contrary to others who have called my play stupid in some form or another). He's merely at the bottom of my suspect list because everyone else is more suspicious.
I found the initial reason CES got attacked flimsy, but he became consistently more scummy throughout the game. I can be short about it. I regret the previous stance I took on him.
Perhaps it's scummy, but he often overstates his certainty (at least that is the read I get of him). I think it's more of a play style and I wouldn't be surprised if he's simply good at reading people.Mgm, what do you think of Glork's certainty on CDB, Zindy and Nightfall's alignments before they were lynched?
Thanks for answering the question MBL. That answer helped a lot.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Is there anything else you want me to broadcast to the scum?Thesp wrote:
Can you be more specific? When did he climb it? How high has he climbed it? What did he do? This could mean almost anything.Mgm wrote:I think CES has climbed the ladder of suspiciousnessShow"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I'm okay with with someone asking, just not the person who refuses to answer me. He first refuses to answer me and now suddenly his own questions enter the realm that just moments ago were scummy to him. I don't see how telling if CES is 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th on the list is gonna help anything.Glork wrote:
I still don't understand how you can be okay with you asking everyone's hypothetical lynch target and everyone's most trusted player, then getting all huffy when somebody asks you to give your opinions on CES.Mgm wrote:
Is there anything else you want me to broadcast to the scum?Thesp wrote:
Can you be more specific? When did he climb it? How high has he climbed it? What did he do? This could mean almost anything.Mgm wrote:I think CES has climbed the ladder of suspiciousness
That don't make no sense to me.
I intentionally kept my own questions restricted to the basic neccesitities. Thesp seems to be working to a complete suspect list. Are you telling me you want those shared?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Why should he know that already? There's a whole lot of info to be had from today's voting patterns and whatever happens tomorrow. There's plenty of opportunities to collect definitive evidence.Glork, if you're ready to vote, you must have incredible confidence that CES is scum and you must have a pretty good idea of who his scumpartner is.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I have given other reasons and you discredited them all by somehow calling them crap and nonsensical. Even if we forget that one bit, there's also the fact you did what you did what the scum would be doing according to your own analysis (even though you said that is not the case afterwards).MrBuddyLee wrote:Mgm, please take for granted for a moment that I was telling the truth about thinking Glork was the cop and covering his tracks the day CDB was lynched.
Please explain your case for voting me in the absence of that incorrect assumption you've made.
And the whole "discredit Mgm's theories" is very unlike you (or anyone). In the X years I've played I've seen a lot, but I can remember only one time my play was being called stupid and that was by a scumbag DragonPhoenix who went on to claim a non-existent role and get himself lynched.-
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Oh, I'm looking at potential partnerships allright, but Glork does not need to have "a pretty good idea" who it is before voting. All he needs to know before he votes is if CES is scum. (If he doesn't tell, he might get lucky and see his top suspect nightkilled)MrBuddyLee wrote:
You're naive or scum if you're not paying close attention to potential scumpartnerships as you analyze the current gamestate.Mgm wrote:Why should he know that already? There's a whole lot of info to be had from today's voting patterns and whatever happens tomorrow. There's plenty of opportunities to collect definitive evidence.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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How do you combine that with the fact CES is at his throat. Do you see it as bussing?MrBuddyLee wrote:So I'm fairly confident in eliminating:
Glork-Patrick
Glork-Thesp
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I don't see my question mention anything about scum partners for your top suspects because I didn't ask about that.MrBuddyLee wrote:
This from the guy who asked two days ago:Mgm wrote:Glork does not need to have "a pretty good idea" who it is before voting. All he needs to know before he votes is if CES is scum. (If he doesn't tell, he might get lucky and see his top suspect nightkilled)
Epiphany or gambit? It looks to me like you're just arguing for the sake of argument at this point, because you're contradicting yourself.Mgm wrote:If you had to put all your eggs in one basket right now and vote, who'd get the chop? Who are you least willing to lynch?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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In case no one noticed, the scum can win by lynching anyone but their partner. Therefore it's extremely unlikely that someone who commits to voting for someone early on is paired with them. People who don't want to lynch each other are possibly connected (though be on the lookout for changing behavior that doesn't fit what was said). I'll leave scum pairings for myself for others to analyse (I'll leave them out because I know I'm innocent myself). I've distilled things down to the following possibly pairs based on voting behavior and the answers to my questions (with the assumption that scum would've quicklynched MBL if they could:
MBL/Glork
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MBL/Thesp
So despite the fact 4 people want to see CES dead, MBL has the most possibly connections left. I was hoping for the analysis to give me other ideas, but it only confirmed MBL is my lynch.
(I'll post the spreadsheet as soon as I get the chance.)Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Yes, scum could be bussing each other, but based on the fact they could easily win today if they don't, I don't think they are at the moment. These are not the only possible pairs I'm considering, these are merely based on the theory I put forward. In that particular case CES dropped off the list because 4 people wanted him lynched, I'm not his partner and he's at Thesp's throat his only remaining possible buddy. If he is scum, I think he's probably paired with Thesp, since when he started voting him ages ago "no bussing will win scum the game" wasn't an issue yet.Patrick wrote:
I must be missing something here. Are you saying these are the only scumpairs you're seriously considering at this point? How did CES get off the list entirely?Mgm wrote:MBL/Glork
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Why did you drop Patrick from your list of possible candidates to vote for?
I distanced myself from CDB? f anything, not voting him had exactly the opposite effect.then suddenly Mgm appeared on his probably town list and CES on the likely scum list because Mgm distanced from CDB effectivelyShow"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Well, telling you that would pretty much reveal my entire suspect list and I believe that would help the scum a bit too much. But since you haven't been called on that, it appears no one agrees with me.
CES is in shared second place behind MBL together with you.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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He's done all sorts of odd stuff since I protected him early in the game. On their own, they're not much, but together they are becoming too much to ignore. I still don't know why he suspects Thesp. And I have a slight feeling he is connecting himself (which would help his body lynch me and win should CES ever get the chop).Thesp wrote:
How did he get there? Why is he so suspicious to you?Mgm wrote:Well, telling you that would pretty much reveal my entire suspect list and I believe that would help the scum a bit too much. But since you haven't been called on that, it appears no one agrees with me.
CES is in shared second place behind MBL together with you.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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And what the heck would I gain from that. If I 'bus' CES half the town wants to lynch me next. I wouldn't survive that by a long shot. If I am scum, my best bet would not be to bus my scum buddy but to lynch someone else and win.My gut says Mgm is trying to ease his way onto busing CES after a whole game of defending him. I caught a similar vibe from how he acted around CDB to how he is acting now.
All the things everyone else wants to lynch him for. If that's still vague you'd better do some reading.What sorts of odd things? This is still very vague.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Everyone found the CDB claim suspicious, but at the end of the day I was willing to wait it out to see if it was true. I still wasn't on his wagon. That looks nowhere near comparable to me.
Multiple people already think I am connected to CES. If he dies and turns up scum, it really doesn't matter if I'm on the wagon or not. I'd still be suspect number one. I don't have anything to gain with that.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Note: I might have limited access until Sunday, if things are better than expected, I'll let you know.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I want to see CES make one final concise statement about why he suspects Thesp.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Yes, that access thing was a false alarm, my access shouldn't be any different than a normal weekend.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Erm, CES. There's 2 days between my question and your post.
Why didn't you respond to my question at all.
You know I could be switching to you if you're not convincing, do you?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Do you have another explanation?Thesp wrote:
This looks a whole lot like trying to make the facts fit the theory, rather than make the theory fit the facts.Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I have to assume MBL was just trying to confuse us then.
Votes without an explanation are never reasonable. That comment was particularly badly placed after CES accused you of being linked to MBL. Are you trying to give him more reasons than just gut feeling or something?I though the vote without explanation was unusual, but reasonable enough.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Are we talking England in the UK, cause if you are, I'm positive I was asleep at that time. 4:18 would be 5:18 am my time, but I never wake before 6 am (I sleep even longer in weekends).Patrick wrote:Interesting dancing there.
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Semantics, I could've said "badly posted" and it would've worked just as well.
The thing is, if you are not trying to get people to vote you then why did you say this.
Here is the accusation of the link I mentioned:
Why did you call MBL's unexplained vote reasonable, while any other unexplained comment from a player usually draws votes in mafia?Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:MBL must've been waiting for Thesp to come on. If Thesp had checked the thread, the game would've been over.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Thesp, do you honestly expect me to compare possible game-deciding votes to random day one bandwagoning?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Let's see how that fits into my spreadsheet. Now where is that link I posted?
Yes, I do.Mgm, do you still find me to be most suspicious at this point?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Didn't I do that already? I'll work the possible couples that are less likely due to lack of quicklynches into the list and link to it tomorrow.Patrick wrote:Mgm, will you be linking us to the spreadsheet?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Maybe you would sound less like a dirty old man if you called it a 'spreadsheet' instead of 'my thing'...I'll let you read what parts you want to read and I wouldn't mind seeing Mgm's thing as well. Actually I would be pretty interested in seeing Mgm's thing.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Great! I don't know how I managed to do it, but I lost the spreadsheet file.
I'll go hunt for it, but I'm pretty sure it's not gonna get posted today.
My apologies. I hope I'll have it tracked down by monday.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Or I could end the game and lose it for the town.
I do note that CES' lack of rebuttals is suspicious, but I'd rather take some more time to go over things again than to make the wrong decision.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Here is the spreadsheet as promised: http://www.glpics.com/mgm/mafia/Mafia60.xls
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Please consider giving it a bit longer. I know I won't be available much today and it's quite possible other players have the same problem. Also, I want to incorporate the last bit of non-hammering info in my spreadsheet to see if it makes any difference (especially a difference that would make me change my mind). I don't want someone to be able to cast a deciding vote until after that is done.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Not particularly, but it can't hurt to be careful and consider it anyway.Patrick wrote:Do you fear an MBL/Glork pairing?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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You should've read it as: "Mgm is second-guessing his own decision." I had a birthday party yesterday and I wanted a chance to do a final analysis, which obviously would've been hard to do then. I'll do that today. At least then I'll know I've doneThesp wrote:
I read this as, "Please second-guess yourself about suspicions of CES." Did anyone else?Mgm wrote:
Not particularly, but it can't hurt to be careful and consider it anyway.Patrick wrote:Do you fear an MBL/Glork pairing?everythingI can.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Ah, didn't think of that. Oh well. I'll copy the revised version into a post then.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Since Patrick and Glork had plenty of time to find out when the rest of us where online in order to find a convient moment to finish off one of the bandwagonees, it's safe to assume they're not scum together.
Since we could work out a way to kill CES if I was scum with either of them. Them voting, me switching, that's unlikely too. (The same goes for a Thesp/Glork or Thesp Patrick pairing).
Thesp, Glork and Patrick also show interest in lynching CES. It's a foolish to kill a scumbuddy if not doing so can win you the game instantly. (A good scum can find some other option).
CES could be voting MBL out of self-preservation, but I'm not sure he'd do that if they were buddies (it also goes the other way around, MBL voted CES with no particularly stringent reason). One of them evening out the votes almost ensures one of them gets the chop, when voting a third player into the pile of top suspects could get different results.
Options left:
CES - possible buddy: Mgm, for those who don't believe I'm innocent
Glork - possible buddy: MBL, none of the other combos work.
Mgm - possibly buddy: CES (see above) or Thesp - again, I'm not going to include MBL in those options. (If we were buddies, I could simply lynch CES and win the game).
MBL - possibly buddy: Patrick or Thesp - neither of them are currently interested in lynching him. It would make perfect sense for them not to want to lynch a buddy. So they are either going to vote the other guy or wait to incriminate a third.
There, I've done my analysis and I'm not moving my vote. MBL is still the best lynch.
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possible? CES Glork no! Player chop non-vote CES Mgm XXXXX Patrick CES - CES MBL XXX CES MBL Mgm CES Patrick no! Glork CES Patrick CES Thesp no! Thesp CES(?) - Mgm MBL Glork Glork Mgm no! MBL CES - Glork MBL Glork Patrick no! Glork Thesp no! Mgm MBL XXX Mgm Patrick no! Mgm Thesp XXXXX MBL Patrick MBL Thesp Patrick Thesp no! 1755 XXXXX I am innocent XX no quicklynch XXX chop vote no! this pair would have dropped the chance to win.
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For completeness' sake:
Thesp - possible buddy: Mgm or MBL
Patrick - possible buddy: MBLShow"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Wrong. If you don't count the person who is voting, they have 5 alternatives of people who they can vote. Focussing on the two are already being voted might get an easier lynch, but by no means the only one.MrBuddyLee wrote:I'm the only alternative, and I get zero sense that anyone's interested in voting me.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Most of those are based on scum partners who can vote to kill a voted player, but regarding MBL/CES, it's possible for scum to bus their partner, but it makes no sense to start the day that way when they can wait and see how the day develops. There might not even be a need for a such a gambit.Patrick wrote:The problem again with that is you seem to be assuming that scum will hardly ever bus each other in lylo which simply isn't true. Just because someone expresses an interest in lynching someone doesn't mean they can't be scum together. Also, MGM/Thesp is off the table as a pairing.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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If CES is town, we lose as soon as Glork votes.
If he's scum, I'll look scummy as hell tomorrow, get lynched and we still lose.
I think this game is a lost cause unless I can convince Glork to vote MBL (not happening) or convince at least one person I'm not scum with CES (unlikely but at least possible).
*crosses fingers*
Vote: CES
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Annoying how anyone has something scummy pointing to them:
When I asked my questions,MBLwas late to the party so he would've known that he would have to choose to chop CES to blend with the masses. At that point CES's death was pretty much unavoidable already.
In post 1702, MBL states thatPatricknudged him of the CES wagon onto Zindaras. Naturally, Patrick would've wanted to keep CES alive if they were scum together, so that could've been a covert scummy action. He also states in post 1762: "Actually, Thespscum means that Glork has to be town, and I have to be town, due to the lack of quicklynch." That sounds like he didn't quicklynch on purpose to look more innocent (but it depends on the then available wagons)
Glorkclaims he knew Fritzler was a cop and tried to draw fire from him. This didn't work. Perhaps because Glork was part of the killing party. In post 1745, MBL does a recap analysis and asks Glork a question: "Glork, why CDB and not CES in your top five scumlist at this point?". I know: CES is GF, CDB isn't. Then there is also the fact that CES calls both me and Glork least suspicious. It's a common scum tactic to call innocents and scumbuddies in one breath, but mentioning how he finds Glork more scummy for his attacks leaves him a way out.
Right now, my gut feeling has deserted me, but seeing as how everyone I trust turns out to be scum (CDB and CES), I'd say a healthyFOS: Glorkis probably well-placed.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Vote counts for analysis
(Known scum bolded, currently alive players underlined)
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End of Day 1 Vote Count
AndrewS: 8 (ThespChannelDelibirdspectrumvoidMgmCESFritzler IHGlork)
IH: 4 (EtherPatrickAndrewS Zindaras)
Mgm: 1 (MrBuddyLee)
spectrumvoid: 1 (Adele)
Ether: 1 (Nightfall)
Nightfall: 1 (Ether)
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End of Day 2 Vote Count (no one lynched)
Thesp: 6 (ChannelDelibird Cogito Ergo SumAdeleMgmGlorkZindaras)
Ether: 3 (MrBuddyLeeNightfall Thesp)
Mgm: 1 (Patrick)
Adele: 1 (Fritzler)
Nightfall : 1 (Ether)
Not voting: Mr Stoofer
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End of Day 3 Vote Count
ChannelDelibird: 6 (Thesp FritzlerMrBuddyLeeGlorkPatrickCES)
Thesp: 2 (ChannelDelibirdMgm)
Cogito Ergo Sum: 1 (Nightfall)
Not voting: Ether Zindaras
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End of Day 4 Vote Count
Battle Mage: 5 (CESGlorkThespPatrickBattle Mage)
MrBuddyLee: 2 (MgmCrashTextDummie)
Not voting:MBL
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End of Day 5 Vote Count
Cogito Ergo Sum: 3 (ThespMBLPatrickMgm)
MrBuddyLee: 1 (CES)
Not voting:Glork
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Of interest:
Apart from the last day when my vote cut him off, Glork was on the leading wagon in each of the days' end of day vote count which could indicate he was going with the masses regardless of the outcome.
MBL and Patrick could've lynched an innocent Thesp day two, but didn't, again leaving Glork suspect.
MBL was early on both scum lynches, providing the tipping point vote on CDB and didn't lynch the townies with the leading bandwagon on the other days.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I meant "tipping point" as in point at which the votes became a steaming bandwagon.
With me convinced of his guilt yesterday (in fact tying him as a possible scum mate to CES) and me thinking you were innocent yesterday, I can't see how MBL could've possibly predicted I would change my opinions as radically as I did. If I didn't do the analysis I did, leaving me alive wouldn't make his chances better at all (after all I believed he was guilty, considered Glork innocent - just like Thesp). If I were the MBL and he was the final scumbucket, I would've killed me for revenge (for lynching CES).I will also point out that the reason Thesp was killed is probably not only because he was confirmed innocent, but because like Patrick, he's been so sure that I'm town that MBL wouldn't have stood a chance of surviving today. MBL had to kill Thesp because he figured you'd fall in line with him, and he'd have to convince Patrick to turn on me.
As for Thesp dying: I noticed how several people were willing to pair MBL with CES yesterday, so if Thesp didn't, that would make for a perfect reason to kill him. -- Hmmm, that needs checking.
I need to reread the whole "Fritzler investigated Thesp" thing again, because I forgot how likely it was. In any case, Fritzler didn't flat out say "I investigated Thesp and found him innocent", so confirmed is not the correct term - likely or very likely okay, but not confirmed. (Where was that XXXXXX link someone posted earlier about it?).Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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If CDB was as useless as Glork says pushing along his wagon doesn't do much to determine his alignment. Scum would have no problem with bussing him (which the end of day vote count clearly shows).
If Thesp was killed because of his accuracy, he must've given the scum some indication he was onto the final one of them. I'm gonna take a look at his posts. I think, rather than killing Thesp for his accuracy, they left me alive for lack of it.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Hmmm, that would be a fair point. I'll go and read that when I have the time.
Let's for a moment assume Glork is indeed innocent, then you obviously want to see MBL lynched instead of yourself. Why are you less suspicious than him and why the heck didn't you agree with me yesterday?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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What about the first question. If Glork is likely innocent, I need to pick between you and MBL today...Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Instead of convincing me of Glork's or MBL's guilt is there anything you want to say to profess your own presumed innocence?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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From what I've seen CES tends to be quite, so a chirpy CES is a deviation from the norm. Doesn't say much, though.CES more active and chirpy than usual, and focussing on an Andrew lynch. This CES meta thing about being more active as scum has been brought up a few times by several people. Glork and Mgm, can you remind me if this is true? Both of you have more experience with CES than me.
Actually, I can't stomach the idea that MBL would leave me alive after yesterday. He had no idea I would change my mind today and leaving such a vocal player alive that wants to lynch you is almost certainly suicide. With Glork likely investigated (I still need to check), I'm tending towards Patrick as the last scum which makes those last lines all the more scummy...
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