Mafia 64: The New "C9" - Game over!

[inHimshallibe]

Alright, alright! I'm in. I'm gonna roll with an obligatory bandwagon vote of

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[inHimshallibe]

...Shteven, it appears, and then reread.

vote: Shteven

[inHimshallibe]

Battle Mage – 7 – Glork, BillyTwilight, Guardian, Haut Boy, HungryJoe, The Central Scrutinizer, yogurtbandit

This is the height of the BM wagon, which just has a bad feeling written all over it.

I really think there are like 2 scums in those voters, and I'll continue digging through my reread now...

[inHimshallibe]

Through Page 5 and Glork seems to me to be trying way, way, way too hard. For some reason I'm willing to give yogurtbandit's on and off vote a pass - I'm still figuring out why.

I really don't like any of the early bandwagons.

[inHimshallibe]

@ Beanbag: I wouldn't be worried about risking untimely lynchings until the votecount is about eight.

Wow, I read this sentence, and am compelled to revote before I'm done with my reread.

unvote; vote: TCS

It just sounds so sneaky. In my mind, I would say something like this so I could bury my vote better as a scum.

Just one of those things.

Oh, and I hope you all don't mind the string of posts that will be coming. If you do... /shrug... sorry.

[inHimshallibe]

Alright, up to page 14 and Guardian joins the ranks of my scumlist. Riding the fence like he gets paid to do it (concerning BM) and it's just... so... blatant. Scum, I say.

[inHimshallibe]

... and done.

The replacers feel Town. Jack's posts have been so direct I can't see him being anything other than Town. MBL is just flat out good at being tricksy, but I think he's Town, too.

Battle Mage – 8 – Glork, BillyTwilight, Guardian, Haut Boy, HungryJoe, The Central Scrutinizer, yogurtbandit, beanbagboy
^^ someone unvoted before bbb's vote, but I quite frankly don't want to go back and look. OK, so like I said before I think this is a key wagon to scrutinize. I find it too odd and coincidental that Glork's list of scum off this wagon is completely different than mine. Glork, Guardian, and TCS - I

feel QUITE strongly

there's scum in that group. My vote is on TCS, which is cool with me.

[inHimshallibe]

I should also point out that I have made D1 policy lynches on terrible players before. In Normal 51, I pushed (and got) a policy lynch on a player who insisted on making two-word posts and not contributing. Though he turned out to be pro-town, we won the game eventually anyway. Even if you are pro-town, Albert, I will have

zero

qualms about lynching you. The way I see it, regardless of your alignment, your presence is a detriment to the town. If you're scum, all the better. If not, I'll get over it rather quickly and move on with the game.



...that's not to say that Shteven is not off the hot seat, though. I'm still waiting to hear from him.

Is it just me, or did Glork just defend himself against an invisible accuser?

Hmmm.

[inHimshallibe]

See above, TCS. I am frustrated with the fact that

MULTIPLE players

insist on behaving deliberately scummy. If one, *maybe* two players were fishing for reactions by doing something unorthodox, that'd be fine. But the fact that several players are doing whatever the heck they want is making it extraordinarily difficult for me to figure out which ones (if any) among them are scum.

I see scummy play, I go after scummy play. I see deliberately scummy play, I go after it harder. I see deliberately scummy play from like four different people, I get angry.

So there you have it. Glork's attitude towards this game in a nutshell.

It has been a while since I've played with this guy - has he been on a bad waffling streak of late?

[inHimshallibe]

I'm against for letting Guardian off the hook.

unvote; vote: Guardian

[inHimshallibe]

edit by way of post... >.>

But in all seriousness, let's hang Guardian... or TCS... or... Glrawk.

[inHimshallibe]

Bleh, my sarc meter's down at the moment. Do you have a question in particular for me, or just goofing?

[inHimshallibe]

I really should have posted something in here Monday, to catch up on the weekend. Sowwy.

Hi ho, hi ho...

[inHimshallibe]

Wow, there's so much crap in this thread already that later Days are going to be gruesome.

As for my position on things, not much has changed. I'll get more direct tomorrow; time for sleep now.

MBL = I just don't know what he's really hoping to accomplish. o.o

[inHimshallibe]

unvote, vote: YogurtBandit

I'm tired of the way he keeps jumping in to answer questions that are asked to other people. This is something that scum seems to tend to do, and I don't know of any precendence of YB doing this as town, so this evidence adds to the other things he's done that I thought were scummy. MBL can wait, YB is today's lynch.

Glork, with me!

X

I really don't think you're scum... at the moment... but I'm not sure you're pointed in the right direction.

Then again, the point some mafia try to make is to cause confusion... so,

FOS: MoS

Hmm, I don't FOS much. Take note of that one, peeps. o.O

[inHimshallibe]

MoS, I see you wandering off to start a wagon that no one has showed much interest in, which prompted my statement.

From what I've seen of Shteven in another game as scum, I just don't get the same read this go-around. Yeah, it's been awhile, but hasn't he just recently made a return to the site?

[inHimshallibe]

You guys just can't end a Day...[/agitated]

Wow. Um, Billy. That's a pretty freakin' awesome post. I think I'm sold on YB being scum here (not like it takes much convincing, the way he's been acting), but unless YB comes up as scum, I'm not sure that Guardian is scum here. He's under a lot of scrutiny, sure, but I don't think he's that unsensible, and while he's obviously something to watch, I still think TCS looks a lot worse than Guardian, really.

Anywho, I'm still quite convinced of YB at this point.

Vote : YogurtBandit

On the brighter side, HungryJoe also seems to be scum.

BTW: selling my vote to the highest bandwagon. Inquire inside.

[inHimshallibe]

I'll thin it down to the scummy part:

I think I'm sold on YB being scum here (not like it takes much convincing, the way he's been acting)

(And here you all thought I'd just repost the quote in its entirety.)

Explain that to me.

High bandwagon wins my vote, for the near future at least. And, no, that doesn't necessarily mean high bandwagon wins my suspicion.

[inHimshallibe]

Explain that to me.

High bandwagon wins my vote, for the near future at least. And, no, that doesn't necessarily mean high bandwagon wins my suspicion.

So you're saying you'd rather vote for who everyone else is voting than who you think is suspicous? Dude, stick to your own things, There's no use in voting someone because everyone else has unless you're sure that person is scum.So you're saying if someone were to unvote and Vote Guardian, you would switch your vote too?

Eh, it kind of

is

sticking to my own thing. I have gotten some pretty decent first impressions on players in this game, have voiced a lot of my suspicions, and have made some disclosed notes, too. This Day 1 has gone on plenty long, there is a whole lot of content to start piecing things together when we have more information, and I'm not going to lose any sleep because I thought it ended way too quickly. When it's ready to end, the Day will end, it's just kind of natural (and in this case with a little boost behind it, i.e. my vote). If I think the leading bandwagon is detrimental, I'll avoid it, but those cases will be few and far between on Day 1.

Fos:IHSIB

^^^ That is your new acronym.

Eww, inHim is fine, thanks.

About me being Goofy, Im so Goofy, The Disney charcter Goofy got Pointers from me

O RLY?

[inHimshallibe]

If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

inHim's list'o scum
Guardian
HungryJoe
TCS
Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.

[inHimshallibe]

[inHimshallibe]

If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

inHim's list'o scum
Guardian
HungryJoe
TCS
Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.

Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?

Not in the least bit. I think you're scum in this particular game, though. The worthlessness I am attributing to scumminess, not you being bad at this game.

[inHimshallibe]

If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

inHim's list'o scum
Guardian
HungryJoe
TCS
Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.

Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?

Sounds like WIFOM, really. Makes me even more sure this is Wifom by Inhim's response.I'd confirm vote you again, but after the 8th time it just gets old.

I think we can consider YB confirmed town... no scum would really be this pigheaded.

@InHim: Imagine for a second that I'm pablito. Would you consider my play scummy? Have you ever played a game with me? Why are you automatically considering my play scummy?

Oh, and

FOS: InHim

for being light on reasons for accusing me. I wish hypocrisy were a scumtell, because if it were, I'd vote for you.

What does pablito have to do with anything? I'd think he was scummy too if he just did what you did in those last couple of posts.

I think I'm currently in another game with you.

I'm not automatically considering your play scummy, I'm saying those last few posts of yours reeked of scumminess.

kk, so I'm light on reasons, fair enough. I'm calling those posts like I see them. Remind me of this hypocrisy, though.

[inHimshallibe]

OK, so either:

the leading bandwagons are both scum, along with the people not voting them

OR

you all just like watching me suffer.

SRSLY, we ought to end this.

[inHimshallibe]

Glork is throwing a hissy fit, and I really don't agree with his take on Yosarian's comment. It's a big stretch, in my opinion, and I'm sure I would have been suspicious of Yos if he had ducked both Guardian and YB and said "I think the Shteven wagon is the best."

[inHimshallibe]

This Day is dragging on like a two-legged dog...

vote: shorten deadline

.

But, seriously, we have three wagons full of committed people. This is a good Day, that really ought to have just ended a while back. >.<

[inHimshallibe]

And if I refuse to participate?

[inHimshallibe]

I tend to get skittish about crazyrapid bandwagons near deadlines. It seems to me that, more often than not, they come from overblown reasons and end up on townies. Perhaps I'm wrong this time. We'll see.


Like I said, the one good thing I *know* an Albertlynch would give us: Information.

Wow, this is so full of crap.

ANY lynch gives information.

Glork is scum. Would a vig please take care of this problem?

[inHimshallibe]

I tend to get skittish about crazyrapid bandwagons near deadlines. It seems to me that, more often than not, they come from overblown reasons and end up on townies. Perhaps I'm wrong this time. We'll see.


Like I said, the one good thing I *know* an Albertlynch would give us: Information.

Wow, this is so full of crap.

ANY lynch gives information.

Glork is scum. Would a vig please take care of this problem?

I meant that the Albert lynch would give us better info than some arbitrary lynch... considering there have been three pushes against Albert today, one of which was baseless and another was a very, *very* rapid deadline-wagon, I think that Albert will likely come up as town. Of course, I won't

know

if I'm right until he's dead. But anyway, my point is that the Albert lynch would probably be most informational. That's what I meant to imply. Your literal interpretation honestly bothers me quite a bit.

Of course

any lynch gives information. But at this point, do you think learning the alignment of Yos2 or Sarcastro or Autumn will be more helpful than learning Albert's alignment? Highly unlikely.

Of course it's helpful, because we have their recorded suspicions and votes, and also who suspected/didn't suspect or voted/didn't vote them, and also the quick wagon would more than likely be ripe with suspects.

I'm not sure I could have taken the statement you made any other way but literally.

[inHimshallibe]

I realize the difference.

But Glork, what you state you meant to say (we're getting better information by lynching Albert rather than x, y, or z) and what you actually said (we're getting information by lynching Albert) are two different things. I would not have pounced on this if I didn't think you were leaving wiggle room.

[inHimshallibe]

Whoa, you

did

unvote Albert before you made that comment. Hmm...

What I meant by wiggle room was "leaving yourself room to wiggle out of suspicion if Albert comes up Town, while you were on that lynch." Now that I see you've switched off, I really don't know what to think.

So now I go back to the drawing board and see post 1275 which surprisingly came before the "information" post. Ugh, I repeat: I don't know what to think.

But, the fact remains that semantics are indeed important. Scum slip up like that often, and the Town uses semantics to catch them. I'm still wary of Glork.

Mod, just end this Day. Guardian's not going to be lynched, and I'm going to vote where there are less of my top suspects.

unvote
vote: Albert B. Rampage

[inHimshallibe]

Deadline extension ?

Denied.

Praise be.

[inHimshallibe]

Also, rofl at scum squirming at deadline. Thanks, guys! Makes at least the start of Tomorrow a lot cleaner!

[inHimshallibe]

I really want AE and BM to vote on the wagons.

[inHimshallibe]

I really want AE and BM to vote on the wagons.

Well, AE is gone.

Barnacles.

[inHimshallibe]

then, as was said earlier, we are depending on BM.

Not really

depending

, rather just curious to see what develops.

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, right, you want Yogurt lynched.

[inHimshallibe]

Warning: Deadline's in 43 minutes.

[/spite]

Mod Note: inHim is now on my people to kill list.

[inHimshallibe]

unvote, vote: YogurtBandit

I'm tired of the way he keeps jumping in to answer questions that are asked to other people. This is something that scum seems to tend to do, and I don't know of any precendence of YB doing this as town, so this evidence adds to the other things he's done that I thought were scummy. MBL can wait, YB is today's lynch.

Glork, with me!

X

I really don't think you're scum... at the moment... but I'm not sure you're pointed in the right direction.

Then again, the point some mafia try to make is to cause confusion... so,

FOS: MoS

Hmm, I don't FOS much. Take note of that one, peeps. o.O

MoS swung votes away from Guardian, which is worthy of note.

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Albert B. Rampage – 8 – Yosarian2, xyzzy, MrBuddyLee, HackerHuck, YogurtBandit, Shteven, The Central Scrutinizer, inHimShallIBe
YogurtBandit – 8 – Sarcastro, Billy Twilight,

HungryJoe

, Jack, Glork,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Mastermind of Sin

, Guardian

Guardian – 2 – Battle Mage, AutumnEvenings

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Battle Mage early bandwagon – 8 - Glork, BillyTwilight, Guardian, AutumnEvenings,

HungryJoe

, The Central Scrutinizer, yogurtbandit, Sarcastro

If BM is town or SK, I expect there to be two scum in the above. If he is scum, very likely there is only one scum voting him.

End of Day spread:
Voting for ABR – YB, TCS
Voting for YB – Glork, BT,

Hungry Joe

, Sarcastro, Guardian
Not voting either of the above – AE

People that I mentally clear: YB, BT, AE – this leaves TCS, Glork, Sarcastro, Guardian where there is at

least

one scum, again imo. I noted the Day’s end vote counts because I think scum would separate themselves after being clumped together on an early bandwagon (remember this all hinges on the fact that I believe BM is town). Given all these assumptions, I see an isolation.

vote: The Central Scrutinizer

- and now I also see the unprovoked unvote of Guardian. Yes, I liked this vote Yesterday, and encourage it Today.

[inHimshallibe]

Augh, I think my line breaks messed up the page width.

[inHimshallibe]

unvote vote: inHimIshallbe

I'd say why, but cases are scummy.

ebwop: lol, meant to hit preview there, but now that it's there I don't disagree with the sentiment so whatever.

Read the first few pages with Coron's two posts, and then read inHim in isolation. I don't like it.

That made me lol .

You can still use the rope to lynch someone else, there will be many lynches in this game, I'm sure, don't worry.


If you're bored or whatnot, re-read inHim's posts and tell me what you think. Also Sarcastro.

i lol'd irl

Vote: Guardian

You can die now, scum.

For he's a jolly good busser...

unvote
vote: Guardian

[inHimshallibe]

Lynch all doctors.

I'm serious

.

[inHimshallibe]

Also, no counterclaims.

[inHimshallibe]

It's hard to say whether the scums will play the WIFOM game or not as far as nightkilling Guardian goes. But consider this: If Guardian is not the SK, then the SK will have significant incentive to kill Guardian regardless of whether Guardian is scum or the Doctor.

If Guardian is the SK (which I must say, I find rather unlikely -- I think he'd have taken a lower profile in this game if so), then the Mafia may in fact leave him around for a while.

If he's the Doc, he could find himself the target of both kills so that Doc protection won't save him; or, if only one group targets him, the presence of a second Doc could save him

.

(emphasis mine)

The bold and italics do not match up. Glork is covering up for his scumbuddy here with flawed logic.

[inHimshallibe]

OK, it's a cover for a scumbuddy 'cause if your argument carries Guardian's going to live. You said

both

groups could kill him if he were a doc, implying scum would also put the hit out on him, but the same doesn't seem to apply if Guardian were an SK. Reading it again, I actually see you angling Guardian as the SK instead of "covering" for him.

Hmmm... angling Guardian as the SK... you're right, that's not cover, it's a setup.

unvote
vote: Glork

- you've made a lot of mistakes, regardless of intent

[inHimshallibe]

But see, that's what you say

now

. Throwing the numbers out now don't wipe away the footprints left behind.

[inHimshallibe]

However, I find it highly likely (say, 80%) that the SK will target Guardian (again, unless Guardian is the SK -- a probability which I find to be insignificant). I'd give about a 50% chance of scum targeting Guardian. There is only a 50% chance that there is even another Doctor alive, and probably only a 60% chance that any living Doctor would protect Guardian.

Hey Glork? Stop telling the Serial Killer what to do, ok?

FoS: Glork

for essentially saying "Hey SK, you kill the doc and the mafia'll kill someone else, ok?"

I think you just hit the nail on the head. Don't just FoS... vote, please.

[inHimshallibe]

The amount of times something about Guardian or Glork has gotten started, and then squelched and something on Shteven has sprung up is staggering. At

least

one of the two are scum.

I'm not going to be voting Shteven for a while.

[inHimshallibe]

OMG I died...I had you all fooled...or at least enough of you

BillyT, there's no guarantee of any docs, and definitely not a guarantee we have 2. Once they're exposed, a Doctor just isn't really worth much, and is such an easy scum claim. I

guess

it couldn't hurt to see if Guardian gets killed during the Night, but the way he reacted and claimed just looks like scum to me.

[inHimshallibe]

Lemme just say we

have

to start answering our glaring suspicions now so we don't screw ourselves later.

So many

people have come and gone through

so many

wagons that these first two Days would be utter wastes if we don't follow through.

Stick up for your accusations, daggumit. It's one of the scarce ways we get some tangible evidence.

[inHimshallibe]

Inhim-Glork Mafia, Shteven SK?

[inHimshallibe]

What I'm more concerned with is all of the people who were questioning Glork and not voting him at all. Despite all the hubbub, I'm left the only one willing to lynch him.

OK, it's a cover for a scumbuddy 'cause if your argument carries Guardian's going to live. You said

both

groups could kill him if he were a doc, implying scum would also put the hit out on him, but the same doesn't seem to apply if Guardian were an SK. Reading it again, I actually see you angling Guardian as the SK instead of "covering" for him.

Hmmm... angling Guardian as the SK... you're right, that's not cover, it's a setup.

unvote
vote: Glork

- you've made a lot of mistakes, regardless of intent

[inHimshallibe]

unvote
vote: Glork - you've made a lot of mistakes, regardless of intent

What do you mean by "regardless of intent"?

Regardless of them being buddies, or Glork setting Guardian up for the fall.

[inHimshallibe]

So Glork as town doesn't make mistakes?

No, I didn't say that.

I said

a lot of mistakes

.

[inHimshallibe]

:ahem:

WHY IS THERE A WAGON ON AN UN-COUNTERED DOCTOR?

unvote, vote:Shteven

Calm down. Claimed doctors are harmful to the WIFOM aspect of the game. There are no guarantees, either.

Glork, if you know me, you know I'm not going to read those games, and my vote is going to stay.

[inHimshallibe]

In honor of some very worthy posts of late, I agree.

Um, Shteven, weren't you just saying that it'd be better to not lynch guardian today, because he'd likely be nightkilled? What changed your mind?

That's the first thing that has pushed shteven well into the possible scum category for me.

Fos: Shteven

I am quite surprised that we still have people voting for Guardian. He's claimed doc without a counterclaim (not that surprising) and he's not likely to survive more than a couple of days. There has to be someone else that you find scummier than Guardian. I still like either YB or TCS myself.

look, you can't tell me you believe his claim!?
The fact is, allowing scum to live another day simply because they claim a power role, is idiotic. We learn alot from either a Guardian or Glork lynch.
but preferably the former obviously.

BM

[inHimshallibe]

Well, with the believing the claim and the whole why Guardian should be killed thing. I really don't expect to have the wagon, though, so I'm aiming at Glork.

[inHimshallibe]

Im not liking Glorks Metagame defense of himself. Then agaion, Im just not a MG person.

I'm also not really big of Meta game defenses. I know I'm not about to re-read other games, and I'm sure that most other player's won't either. You get to claim a point that no one will bother to verify, and so it just stands unchallenged.

It was a metagame attack. Why didn't you ask for people to vouch for inHim's claim that Glork doesn't make as many mistakes when he's town?

Hmmm... I'm trying to determine whether you're skewing this or not. Yeah,

FOS: Jack

.

I never specifically said that because it was Glork that was making a lot of mistakes made him scum. I think the act of making mistakes - these do not include my scumlist v. player x's scumlist, my votes v. player x's votes, etc. - is scummy, regardless of person.

[inHimshallibe]

Im not liking Glorks Metagame defense of himself. Then agaion, Im just not a MG person.

I'm also not really big of Meta game defenses. I know I'm not about to re-read other games, and I'm sure that most other player's won't either. You get to claim a point that no one will bother to verify, and so it just stands unchallenged.

It was a metagame attack. Why didn't you ask for people to vouch for inHim's claim that Glork doesn't make as many mistakes when he's town?

Hmmm... I'm trying to determine whether you're skewing this or not. Yeah,

FOS: Jack

.

I never specifically said that because it was Glork that was making a lot of mistakes made him scum. I think the act of making mistakes - these do not include my scumlist v. player x's scumlist, my votes v. player x's votes, etc. - is scummy, regardless of person.

The specifics of your claim are not important to my post...I also don't understand what you are talking about. If making mistakes is scummy then surely Glork makes more mistakes as scum then as town by your logic?

Touche.

Meh, I can't phrase this properly. Suspicion and voting mistakes are quite different from posting, quoting, interpreting, etc. mistakes is what I wanted to emphasize. Glork lists Lights Out 2, which I haven't read, but have heard is infamous for several bad lynches Day 1. To me, having those wrong suspicions isn't scummy, but I highly suspect taking things out of context, overflooding with irrelevant information, twisting words, etc.

[inHimshallibe]

Argh, my words are being taken from inHimland and twisted into something I can't help. I'm going to have to shut up about this mistakes business, because all I'm doing is obscuring the Town's discussion.

Manaspryte... I definitely want to hear more from you.

unvote: inHim vote: Manaspryte

. That one post, to me, was so suspicious that... for the time being, at least, I feel my vote is best placed on you.

*waits for BM to complain about how I am backtracking by voting Manaspryte *

It's not going to be BM to complain first.

You rally against me like you did and just wash your hands of it for a post, so you can point your finger at someone else? Guardian is scum!

re: Shteven. Yes, I'm pseudo-defending him. Yes, this is partly because he is Glork's highest suspect at the moment. This is also partly because I remember some of his playstyle from a game I've played with him before, and he doesn't argue well when he's scum. I don't think he's scum.

And there goes Glork again, being contradicted, and this time by YB, no less. Maybe "mistakes" isn't what I need to use for this game. It's more of a "do as I say, not as I do" thing for Glork.

[inHimshallibe]

It's precious that you're trying to sound concerned, Guardian. This "frustration" causes me to suspect you even more.

I'm not going to waste the time on Shteven's defense; it's really not that important to me, besides the fact I keep saying he's not scum.

I should not have auto-linked you to Glorkscum, that much is correct, because while I'm certain Glork is evil, I'm not sure whether he's scum or SK. I'll also admit I'm stuck in a pretty big rut until someone on my list is dead (Guardian, Glork, TCS)... let's just kill one and see what happens, k?

[inHimshallibe]

V/LA posting in all threads: Hey, I might post here once or twice more before going -- but FYI tomorrow I am leaving on a V/LA Thursday-Sunday. Expect me to check this and all threads Sunday evening. Hope you manage without me .

Love to hear from Mana and hear more from inHim....

You're just absolutely full of it.

[inHimshallibe]

Again with the appeal to emotion. This is all you can repeat about me - "You're being dumb and I'm annoyed. Everybody look at inHim and what he's doing; can you believe it?!" The broken record bit annoys

me

. I think you try to appear precise by honing in on an individual (myself, namely), but you are vague while defining your argument.

The tone of your last post: you keep hinting that I'm town... and there's this aura of certainty (different than Glork's blunt "I'm certain" posts). Why should a doctor have this certainty? You're leaving this open on me so you're not the bad guy when I turn up good.

And anyways, I've already said that doc is the super-easy scum claim, and that I believe you tried to cover up in it. The urgency you created in your claim post was lathered on way too thickly, and it all seemed contrived.

I really dislike rehashing through all of my "cases,"

especially

this early. They are what they are, you have my posts. I've made my "case" against them, for now.

[inHimshallibe]

Heh, I think I may have just become the chaff I keep advocating for us to clear away.

What hoop can I jump through now so we can avoid a silly wagon on me?

[inHimshallibe]

Inhim, on a re-read of his posts, looked pretty good. I don't know if this is because he's being all nice and townie, or if he's just after the same people I'm after. It's one of those "enemies of my enemies must be town" kind of things. He did turn around from his initial "not buying Glork's case" to end up voting me, but I'm not convinced this is a plot instead of an error. It could be distancing, wanting to make a "second" case against me and not follow glork, but that's not much to go on alone.

Dude, this is just flat-out wrong. Like, the only time I ever voted you was the initial random before I reread the thread, and I'm pretty certain I've never formed any sort of case

against

you. o.O

inhim- Seems alright, but I really don't like his following the I'm-not-Glork-but-I-hate-Shteven train.

Again, WTF mate?

Also, he recently overreacted to a single vote on him, but that can go either way.

I just have a feeling how this is going to go...

[inHimshallibe]

smells like distancing

(inhims posts not AE's)

I still maintain Shteven = Town. I didn't call him out as far as suspicions go; I just wanted to make sure he knew what he was saying was entirely untrue. If you can read my posts and garner the same as Shteven did, I really want to know what angle you're reading my posts from.

[inHimshallibe]

Heh, I think I may have just become the chaff I keep advocating for us to clear away.

What hoop can I jump through now so we can avoid a silly wagon on me?

I'd like you to explain, from a strictly theoretical mafia-stratagy sense, if and when it is a good idea to lynch a claimed doctor on day 2.

Have I really not said this? I really don't want this to siderail discussion. Hmmm. As it seems some votes toward me depend on this, and I'm not going to go back and check, here is the reasoning I can think of off the top of my head:

I'm pretty certain that, historically, doc claims are by far the second-highest claim (after townie) mafia make. They're also the easiest to work around as far as power roles go.

When a person claims doc, they may as well be killed, because we don't want WIFOM running rampant through the game. Take out the problems that would hinder endgame now, so endgame is easier, you see? This also accounts for what I said in the first statement of this quote.

If they are faking, any real doctors don't have to reveal themselves early (you asked me for reasons on Day 2), which is especially crucial in this game. If we had two doctors, all of them could be outed right now. Thankfully, no one else has spoken up, and it needs to stay that way.

Then, after you're finished that, I want you to explain why you felt the need to tell Guardian that he was "full of it" for saying he was going to be away and asking to hear more from you. Because, from my point of view, it looks like you were just trying to goad him into a response, and disptie the fact that his response ("inHim, you are ridiculous. Really." and "If you are town, seriously, stop being so dumb...") was actally rather mild considering the provication you set up, you then used it to try and accuse him of an "Appeal to emotion". That whole set of posts looks like you trying to set up a noob trap, and I don't like it.

The "full of it" response was not a goad; I was a little dumbfounded when he "called me out" 'cause, you know, I had been posting and presented what I thought on Guardian at the time (I had more later, as you can see), and he seems to bypass all this and wants "more." It's all in the angle you take my attacks, so if you think I was goading Guardian into a "noob trap," I can't really change your perspective unless you believe what I just posted. Another thing: I don't consider Guardian to be a "noob" anyways, so now I'm becoming more paranoid about Yos.

[inHimshallibe]

If both Shteven is scum, and Guardian is the doctor, I pretty much deserve to die.

[inHimshallibe]

If both Shteven is scum, and Guardian is the doctor, I pretty much deserve to die.

Wifommy, You could be bussing Shteven and going after the Doctor. Then by saying this, If Guardian turns up Doc then Thats what you want everyone to think so Wait, Im making no sense.you could be a loyal townie that doesnt like to be mistakes. Or maybe thats what you want us to think.

I've confused myself here, But I dont like that post, for some reason.

This is the first time I think I've seen you make a substantial post.

YB seems townish here.

[inHimshallibe]

*sigh*

That last bit should read:

Also, in retrospect, what do you think of Glork's shout out end of D1 to a hypothetical vig to kill me last night?

I don't think vigs should kill Night One, as a general rule. (Or Night Two, if you count Night Zero as Night One, which this game might have done, can't remember.) I don't know how serious Glork was--I didn't think he actually meant it when I read it.

Pretty sure he was

certain

. Anyways, noted is my shtick, so ^^ Noted.

[inHimshallibe]

*twitches*

I think everyone should just vote Manaspryte. Either we'll get their attention and they'll start posting or else they'll be lynched and the game will move along.

All aboard!

(I'm not entirely joking here.)

Why would you be joking?

unvote
vote: ManaSpryte

[inHimshallibe]

Vote:ManaSprtye

Although we could wait for a replacement.

X

That's the last thing we could do.

[inHimshallibe]

It's called "YB is scum jumping on Spryte because he doesn't want himself or Shteven lynched today."

Well, now that you put it that way...

If Yogurt is scum, I'll probably entertain the notion of lynching Shteven.

unvote
vote: YogurtBandit

[inHimshallibe]

inHim, whatever happened to me being scum with Guardian and Shteven being town?



That seems like an awfully rapid change in stance. "Glork is scum" to "well, okay, I'll follow you."

Epiphany? Meh, not really that.

1. I'm ready for a lynch.
2. You made a valid point about YB/Shteven - I'm trying to break some of my tunnel vision... maybe.
3. Guardian still ought to die, and so should you, but I can delay things... I

guess

.
4. You just became suspicious again for suggesting this is so much of a rapid change.
_____a. Did I ever say you weren't scum or that I was against lynching YB? I probably ought to check this, but I don't think so.
_____b. I didn't really say "well, I'll follow you" in the light you shone upon it. I conditionalized my agreement to follow you concerning Shteven. Like I said, I'll go on a miniature goose chase (hoping it's not wild) if it will lead to the information I want.
5. I'm ready for a lynch.

[inHimshallibe]

But for clarification, just for you, Shteven:
I think that YB has been scummy.-ok
I think that you have been scummy.-ok
Yesterday, you voted Albert instead of YB. So EVERYONE whos voting Albert is scum? That makes no sense. You are probably being Hypocritical,Since some of the pepole who voted Albert you said were town.
Today, YB seems to be deflecting attention to Spryte and away from you. How? by saying"Vote spryte?" I voted it once. While I see your point, Its not a reason to distract attention, because only Shteven has been reading your Huge posts accusating him.

You see where I'm going with this?

you arent Answering that Paragraph from shteven either.Just Avoiding it? Apparently. Im quite frankly sick and tired of you ignoring shtevens questions and acting like a bigshot with false cases.You can only answer the questions that are defendable. Nice to know.

Unvote, Vote:Glork

>.<

While I'm glad someone's voting Glork, I'm cringing now because the two most recent voters are Guardian and YB... yeesh.

[inHimshallibe]

Honestly, inHim, your reads have been pretty terrible in this game, I think.

I am a read-heavy player (understatement?), as you have so noted. The argument route just doesn't do much for me at these stages in the game. Some of my reads just absolutely have to die, and you might be one of them; Guardian sure is. I'm still not sold on Shteven, barring YB turning up scum.

I guess I'll respond to the Shteven/Guardian thing. I think I've gleaned enough information from refusing to explain myself (namely that Shteven is reaching, and

YB is having some kind of sadistic love affair with Shteven).

So I've noticed, which was a bring prompt for my actions.

Shteven initially put Guardian at 40% likelihood of being a Doc, and then none of the other posts he cited discussed the claim specifically. The only adjustment I had seen from Shteven was after I posed that question (when he bumped it down to 25-30%).

So basically.... the reason jumped on Shteven for not giving more on Guardian is as followS: He gave Guardian a 40% likelihood of being the Doc and then ended up on Guardian still. Like I said before, Guardian is exceedingly likely to die in the near future. If he's the Doc, he soaks up at least one nightkill. If he's scum, then the scums are doing more of our work for us, and we can continue to hunt for other scums during the day. 40% is definitely *NOT* an insignificant percentage, espeically when we know there are three factions in the game.


Had Shteven explained more clearly why he no longer felt that Guardian had a good chance of being the Doc, I would not have made that comment. But I really truly feel two things: 1) No protown player has compelling enough reason to lynch Guardian today; and 2) Shteven is trying to get this wagon to stick because he is scum and doesn't want to have to worry about who (his scumgroup or the other scumgroup -- note that I'm using "scumgroup" loosely, to refer to "SK or mafia") will off Guardian, when, and whether Guardian will have protection himself.

If I may play a little as MBL - SK, kill Guardian, k? 'cause, I don't see any way that Guardian is SK.

[inHimshallibe]

EBWODP: um... not sure what "bring" is doing in there...

Ooh, Preview Edit:

Heh, Glork, I flat-out told the SK what I wanted. I don't think you ever did such? "Nail on the head" is directed toward what you might have been implying, and I think implicit directions are, like, huge scumtells.

[inHimshallibe]

First off, yeah, that's my explanation.

To be considered for the third party: here goes "Glork for the greater good" again. The tone of those particular posts = so scummy.

I'd also go as far to say that protection of Guardian is detrimental to Town. His alignment absolutely has to be confirmed, and the sooner the better. It will help solve many riddles.

[inHimshallibe]

Semantics and tone are what separate scum and Town, this I really believe. It's all in the way someone does things is why we start accusing, you know?

Anyone can promote what is best for the town. You seem to always skim over the fact that scum can suggest pro-town moves, and that is probably what has been bothering me the most about your posts.

My vote pretty much sums up how wrong I feel I am about things I've said previously. Right now, if my vote were to say something, it'd be "inHim has some doubt, and wants YB dead'd so he can continue better in this game." If I move it back to Glork, it would probably say "Ugh, enough is enough when it comes to these Dudley Do-Right, Captain America, etc. posts. Glork is faking hardcore."

Bah, this argument is distracting me from the other players.

[inHimshallibe]

Really, really sorry about being away for over 5 days. I anticipated only being gone the weekend like normal, but I had some responsibilities at our county fair shoved upon me, and then a lifelong neighbor of ours died shortly after that, and I just haven't made it around to the forums until now. Sorry again.

[inHimshallibe]

Guardian is such scum, especially after reading his routine throughout the last couple pages. I'll admit I could be wrong, but all the wrong signals are coming from Guardian.

Jack, you keep your cards close, respectable. Yos, if lynching doctors is still the main thing keeping your vote on me, I'd ask you to reconsider, mebbe? At least vote Yogurt.

My take on things, actually, if Glork is scum - he's feeding us one of his partners to stave off suspicion; we should probably hunt in the inactives he listed for a scum. If he's SK, he needs to die regardless.

[inHimshallibe]

Hey, there's some snap to a post. You'll notice I've stopped voting you, and just steadily keep my thoughts concerning you posted as some type of mantra.

[inHimshallibe]

Jack - stop it. Lynching YB is a good move here - I think I mentioned it before that MoS likes to obvdistance from his partners, and if not then that'd be my bad.

[inHimshallibe]

Every time I read a post by Guardian, I want to shoot every last one of you not voting him way back when.

Lynching for information on Day Two is not a stupid play, either.

[inHimshallibe]

Good call on Sarcastro. That came out of nowhere, but I'm not complaining about the results.

*grumblegrumble* I

guess

Guardian could be the Doctor, much as it pains me to say it. I'm not going to believe it until I see it - I still don't feel great about his little spiel right before the lynch happened.

And Glork's comment about "losing 2 scum so early is devastating" reads scummy to me. But, it's Day 4, and time for the blinders to come off - I'll have a more level-headed opinion of things when I post again.

[inHimshallibe]

Guardian hammered sarcastro when he didn't have to.

Yeah, I know. That's why I'm more open to him being a doc.