Mafia 63: Wolves - Game over!
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Well, what's the point of voting her at all, if you are going to turn around and say "Nobody vote further" - if nobody votse further, and she KNOWS nobody votes further, then you've jsut undermined teh wagon entirely. It's like trying to direct a power role.
Well, maybe not that bad, but do you see where I am coming from?-
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Okay.. so why wasn't Talitha lynched day one, then?
That's why this wagon seemes oppurtunistic, to me.
I'm going to suggest that, based on what I see, (not killing n0, killing twito n1), that the shooter is probably a vig. If it turns out that they tried to kill n0, or if players who are more pro-town than twito get shot, i'll change my mind.
I don't understand the issue with hidden roles.
.... Does someone have a reason to think that there is more than meets the eyes regarding the dead players?
In one werewolf game, the sorceror is a form of doctor. In another, though, he's like a werewolf godfather. That's in a 5-player werewolf game, though.
Reference : http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/67050
There may have been more behind this post but I forget it now. Still sick and all that. ::P-
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Saying "This is a pressure vote" on someone doesn't actually pressure them. IT's not saying that you are suspicious of them or have any real reason to be voting them, you aer simply curious about someone and want them to speak up more. Telling someone that you are 'only' pressuring them, is like saying 'take it easy, this doesn't mean anything' - when the purpose of pressure voting *IS* to apply pressure. If you want your vote to intimidate soeonme into talking - like a pressure vote presumably does - you do not warn them of yoru intentions before hand. It's a fairly fundamental part of bluffing. You do not, while playing poker, say "I've got three aces, so I'm going to raise." .... You *can* , and if you want to, feel free, but you give your opponents a huge upper hand. So don't do it. Vote someone and look suspicious of them, don't just bandwagon.theopor_COD, in post 320 wrote:
You do know BM's got himself another new sig nowMiztef wrote:BattleMage:believe he is excellent as pro-town.
AnywaysI think we should appply some more pressure to the Mage.
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Talitha, I was playing on words to knock some sense into JordJordanA24 wrote: First, it's Jordn, and second, neither of us are great votes, BM is acting strangely but not scummy, andaI made a little slipafter pointing out some very scummy posts, I was only trying to make sure that Tally didn't get too many votes before getting a chance to explain herself, not that I'm too bothered about that now, I see Tally as the correct play at the moment, I can see gut feeling being used as an excuse to not give reasons for voting, so I'm slightly suspicious of ~N9V~ as well.
Minor FOS: ~N9V~n. I don't think you slipped up at all - you called for modkill on slackers, not SPECIFIC PEOPLE, right?a-
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THat's fair, niempime, I just don't see how jordan is coming accross as town. I say oppurtunistic because he took another person's vote, hopped on, and built a case to push for it. MAYBE he's just lynch happy town but the reasoning behind the talitha wagon is not enogh to merit 4 votes right off the bat. MAybe tha's jsut my opinion.-
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you also encouraged others to vote for her, and then told everyone to stop voting for her... I don't know, maybe I play too old fashioned, where, before you put four votes on someone as 'pressure votes' - and that *is* what you did, even to the point of directing town to stop voting her once she was 'pressured enough'. In my day, we would TALK to someone and let them dig their own holes for themselves, rather than digging it for them.
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You are voting Talitha for suggesting lynching players like The Goat. You don't seem interested, in your last comment, in getting more talk out from me. THere's no accusations or speculations or anytihng. You just seem interested in lynching someone because of past behavior. That's completely hypocritical.
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Where is the speculation?JordanA24 wrote:It's just that The Goat looked kinda scummy in his few posts as well. Skruffs has only been marginally better that Theo or Tally, but I will admit he has redeemed himself slightly over the last few posts.
Where is the accusation?
"He looked kinda scummy" =|= either.. and it sounds like you are trying to lynch a player who has been replaced. Which is worse than just asking for a modkill. But you are right, it's so vague, it's hard to amke out what you are insinuating here.-
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I'm not sure how to take you trying to tie Theo to the wrong replaced lurker, when you say you are interested in the gamge. If you were paying attention to what you were doing you would have clicked on the blue '1' that means 'first page' - which shows all of the players and who they replaced. Everything you just said is, basically, false, in my eyes. I'm glad I'm already voting you.-
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IT's completely normal, based on past experience, for people to interpret m y game style as rather scummy. I don't know why, but something about the way I phrase things and suggest things always sets off alarms in people's heads. Then I have to stop scum hunting or brewing over hte facts or whatever and defend myself. I'm not complaining - it's what I have to do - and sometimes, oppurtunistic scum will get caught in trying to push too hard for me based on my posting flavor alone. If you look in any of my games (any of them except for the newbie where I was scum, anyways), I get lynched a lot in minis but I've never been lynched in a large game. I'm kind of stalled out with RL issues so I am not putting as much energy into posts as I would like, but, it's still there.-
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Why is not saying I am scum, a scum tell? Weird.
I don't really care that BM is voting for me... from past experience in other games, that'smore powerful than a cop claimin clearing me. BM refuses to vote scum and always votes townies and power roles. Normally I don't bring other games into other games, but if BM is going to, I will, too.
BM, sorry if I seem negative, but I think the wagon on Talitha for saying that a lurker - someone not participating in the game - should be lynched over someone who is talking, day one, is a ridiculous argument. Jordan later on pushed that someone was suspicious for lurking, or something to that effect, which is hypocrisy. I'm sorry if I seem 'negative' in not falling for overly contrived wagons.-
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Well, Someone did.
I think I'm in too many games, I'm being stretched too thin. I can't keep up! And it's making my game play suffer.
So you are saying that Shanba is scum, and that he would intentionally leave me out of his 'scum list', even though I'm way out there, because me and him are buddies together? Wouldn't that be counter productive?
Wouldn't it be more likely that Shanba, as scum, would put a mixture of his scum buddies in with obvious town, which would then leave a bread crumb trail back to someone else, so that if he got lynched, suspicion would fall on that other player?
I don't see how Shanba's post has anything to do with my alignment or role. Maybe he's neutral on me, neither town or scum.
Fact is I don' think many people OTHER than Talitha, Jordan, and myself have been posting much since day started. We are the only three that I remember sayign anything worth remarking about.-
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I don't understand why it's okay for you to pressure someone for a 'slip up', orchestrating 3 or 4 votes on them, no less, and then complain constantly about one or two votes on you for basically thesame reasons.
Am I scum for voting you, or is there more to it than OMGUS? Because to be honest I think trying to push for a quick wagon so close to a possible LYLO situation is a lot more suspicious than trying to keep said wagon from taking off.-
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If I was going after the most convenient town lynch, I would have wagoned onto Talitha with you. That's not my perogative.
You are the one who keeps referring to it as a slip-up; which is it? Did you make a mistake in going after Talitha or are you happy with it? You seem to be implying that you think talitha is town by sayign you slipped up, btu then you get angry at people who don't like that you were going after her, etc, etc, circular reasoning, etc.
Are you sayign that lurkers are more likely to be town than scum? Who should town be going after day one, if not people who are not helping town? What's your reasoning behind that?-
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I didn't slip at all. I said exactly what I wanted to say.
Jordan suggested that I was trying to go for the most convenient town lynch, which is wrong. Jordan was going after the most convenient town lynch, who is Talitha.
Why all "Either cop or scum" there, Pooky? Surely you read Jordan's post before you responded to mine like that?-
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You can't tell me I slipped if I intentionally phrased my words like that.
That was not a slip. I intentionally phrased it like that. Jordan suggested I was going after the most convenient town lynch, and I turned his phrasing back on him, because that is what HE started off the day by doing. He did not discuss anyone else - he started a wagon on Talitha, pressured her, when there was nothing to pressure her for and nothing she could say about it. He ignored ... well.. everyone else in the game, except for the one person who stood up for Talitha, who was me, who he of course lumps in as scum.
I put a wrench in his plans, so obviously, he is going to say I am scum. I don't like how Pooky would just solidify Jordan's atteck with an all or nothing, George-Bushian phrase trying to make a false dichotomy of me being either cop or scum. Wrong.
I am *NOT* claiming cop in ANY way, and I'm surprised someone would say that a sentence phrased like that can only mean One thing or the Other. I have made it pretty clear that I think Talitha's actions day one were pro-town.
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No, Shanba, I'm not.
the LOL was actually a misunderstanding on my part - I thought Jordan's post right before ti was addressed to me, not pookie.
Listen, I don't *KNOW* that Talitha is town, but when I see Talitha's style of play and Jordan's style of play, I see Talitha as an EASY target, someone that he went after as soon as day started for no significant reason. She wanted to move the daya to day two because day one is just random accusations and finally getting someone lynched because they said the wrong things. Jordan pinged on that, which is NOT a scum tell in any way, and tried to orchestrate a lynch on them, including but nto limited to directing possible scum buddies into voting her.
So yeah, I took his statement that I was going after the obvious town lynch and switched it back on him, because HE was going after obvious town.
I can continue to repeat this, again, and again, and again. It was an Intentional play on words. If that sort of thing is suspicious and scary adn confusing, then, maybe it *is* better if you guys lynch me now, because I'm going to have a bad game, otherwise.-
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Read my post again.Skruffs wrote:If I was going after the most convenient town lynch, I would have wagoned onto Talitha with you. That's not my perogative.
You are the one who keeps referring to it as a slip-up; which is it? Did you make a mistake in going after Talitha or are you happy with it? You seem to be implying that you think talitha is town by sayign you slipped up, btu then you get angry at people who don't like that you were going after her, etc, etc, circular reasoning, etc.
Are you sayign that lurkers are more likely to be town than scum? Who should town be going after day one, if not people who are not helping town? What's your reasoning behind that?
Do I say I know Talitha is town? Is that the context?
Jordan and pookei immediately tried to turn this into a "claim or die" situation. Bubllpookie.-
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None of the above?
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How about...
4) I disagree with your style of play.
And how about
If I was the cop, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.
If I was scum, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.
If I was a mason with Talitha, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.
If I was a regular townie, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.
Or how about this, how do WE know that YOU are the most convenient town lynch, as you declare yourself to be? Do you have a way to prove yourself? If not, why the hell are you trying to get me to prove Talitha's innocence with a claim, and not with simple logic, observation, and scum hunting skills?-
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More hypocrisy.
You want me to claim A, B, or C, when none of the above is true. When I try to tell you - Again - that it is in fact D, and that you are trying to chose a round peg into a square hole, you call that spinning.
I believe I've been reasonable and expressed myself clearly. You can continue to try and "spin" Things, yourself, but all that's going to do is more deeply imbed my vote against your scummy, scummy skin. *poke* Like that.-
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Saying we should be Lynching lurkers is scummy, obv.
But suggesting we start modkilling a bunch of them? That's pro-town.
Yeah, vote stands.
Yes, I know Phoebus has already suggested that players will be modkilled, but in my experience, people who suggest having Select players modkilled tend to be scum. And then it's good to look at who they avoided suggesting having modkilled.-
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Interesting.I don't really believe NV9 at this time, but, w/e.
I would rather quick lynch today -0 even if it's a mislynch - then to have there or possibly four players modkilled. Yes, the mod said he would modkill, but we don't need to be saying Who needs to be modkilled and who doesn't.
People are flaking out left and right, and I don't understand. This is a fun game. WEREWOLVES. FELCHERS. WOMEN'S HATS. You can not get kinkier than this game.-
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You're still on that?
Whatever.
Who was on the BAD Niempie wagon? Me? No.
A sibling is not the same thing as a twin. Here's the WIKI:
In that regard, BM, being just a sibling, and not a sibling cop or sibling goon, is probably just linked to another person who will kill themselves tonight.JordanA24 wrote:The classic Siblings roles are a Mafia Goon and a Cop that know each other, with the condition that if one dies, the other commits suicide the following night.
Variations that have been tried on this theme include:
* The Siblings have roles other than Goon and/or Cop.
* The Siblings do not know each other's alignments (in this case they are often called Lovers).
* The Siblings may talk at night.
* The Siblings suffer some other fate if the other dies.
In IRC, a twin dies if the other twin is targeted - BM looks to have been eaten AND shot, or, probably, shot and then eaten. Doesn't make sense to shoot a piece of someone.-
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Why do you think "Commit suicide the following night" means "kills themself at dawn"? Just curious.
I'm not trying to CLEAR Myself, I'm asking why you are completely avoiding a wagon that came out of nowhere to continue to baselessly attack someone that you were attacking the day before.
5 Niempie (Battle Mage, Dragons of Summer, Jordan, Shanba, theopor_COD)
Oh look.
That's why you don't want to look at that wagon, because you were on it. For someone who was sure I was scum yesterday, you sure didn't mind putting a quick vote on Niempie for it. Let's go back and see WHY you voted her, shall we?
Next post:JordanA24 wrote:Mod: I request we try one last time with prods before a mass-modkill, ~N9V~ and Jingolaw are posting elsewhere, but not here. Unfortunatly, Ancalagon, FM and possibly Niempie seem to have left the site, and need replacing/modkilling.JordanA24 wrote:
Sorry, I was going by the front page.theopor_COD wrote:Jordan, keep up, Melish has been replaced by Shanba.
I'd prefer Skruffs, but Niempie is my second choice.theopor_COD wrote:We should just lynch Niempie.
Are you implying Pookyscum? If so, why?theopor_COD wrote:Ancalagon - well yeh Pooky can shoot him down in the night.JordanA24 wrote:
I'd advise the replacement not to post the other result (presuming he has one), even if it's a guilty, since we don't know your sanity yet. I'd give it another couple of nights worth of investigations, under doc protection, before posting any more results you get.theopor_COD wrote:Niempie still alive! What gives.
n9v should if he's telling the truth have two results. Being that we've had two nights. Fact that he only blurted out one innocent is very odd.
You went after Tally and then me (for defending Tally), and then pretty much out of the blue, you hop onto the Niempie thing. Why? Well.... here we go...JordanA24 wrote:I'd be happy with a Skruffs or Niempie lynch, I'll see if others end up agreeing with me over Skruffs, but it looks like Niempie's going to be the wagon for today.
Hmm. Lynching lurkers is baaaad. Lynching people who advocate lynching lurkers is gooood. But then, lynching someone who's not contributing, one step up from lyurking, that's goood.JordanA24 wrote: It's because all your posts have been very non-commital, we've already said that loads of times.
Oh, and here we go. We need to lynch somebody NOWX0RS!!! Because not lynching someone is BAD!!!! Which is EXACTLY WHAT YOU ATTACKED TALLY for, isn't it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you attacked Talitha for something fairly similar to that.JordanA24 wrote:*bump*
Our deadline's in an hour, so, we really need to lynch somebody.NOW
Unvote Vote: Niempie
Anyways, everyone else on that wagon should be examined too, but since you went into today which may potentially be lynch or lose blindly swinging, I'm going to just focus on you, first.
Is NV9 replaced? Can he help out with anything?
Side note:
Earlier in the day -JordanA24 wrote:
First, it's JordSkruffs wrote:Jordon is a better vote than BM - and i see that you have incurred more votes from others because of it.
NV9, why did you omgus talitha for voting jordon?n, and second, neither of us are great votes, BM is acting strangely but not scummy, and I made a little slip after pointing out some very scummy posts, I was only trying to make sure that Tally didn't get too many votes before getting a chance to explain herself, not that I'm too bothered about that now, I see Tally as the correct play at the moment, I can see gut feeling being used as an excuse to not give reasons for voting, so I'm slightly suspicious of ~N9V~ as well.a
Minor FOS: ~N9V~
Why are you mad that NV9 cleared someone?JordanA24 wrote:~N9V~ wrote:Fine. I'm cop, Pook's isn't scum, have fun guys and gals.
Now I know what Theo means about you being useless.
Also, you seem to be pretty tight with Theo this game. Why?-
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- [*]~N9V~
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- Miztef replaces Coron
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- Shanba
If there is four or five mafia, than clearing three or four people just made this a 50/50 chance, or 62.5% chance, of us lynching right today.
Woot.
I don't really understand NV9's night choice, especially after yesterday. He could have cleared a lot of stuff up by investigating..well.. almost anyone else.-
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It would be a lot easier to believe NV9 if we could test him, presumably by having a guilty result. He's cleared pooky, though, tentative as it is. I see no reason not to follow pooky - within reason. I'd prefer to be followed, myself, but of course that isn't going to happen, or else we'd have lynched scum (*coughjordancough*) yesterday.-
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Well, checking me would convince me of your sanity. That's selfish, though. The person most centered in the action would be a good choice, because then you get a lot of other people's reactions to him. Yesterday, that would have been me, jordan, and talitha.
Well, from my perspective, anyways. Mistef talked a lot about scum wanting to kill cop at the end of the day, yesterday. Theopor was also skeptical, whereas shanba was interested in getting his results.
Pretty much all of those names would be my guess, and toss in anyone on the Niempie wagon yesterday - Dragons of Summer, Jordan, Shanba, theopor_COD. Probably not Shanba, though, who seems to be playing a solid game, at least so far.
So in conclusion, in order of investigationnessedness.,
Jordan, Mistef, theopor_COD, Dragons of Summer.
Jingolaw, me, Shanba, Talitha.. Look at me, protecting all the female-sounding names. I think Shanba and Talitha are town, but I've gotten in trouble already for that once this game.
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That's almost everyone you haven't investigated yet, isn't it.
Am I still voting Jordan? Good.
I encourage all scum to bus him, it'll make things a lot easier for you.-
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Skruffs Pantsman
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