Mafia 66: Freelancer - Game over!

[ryan]

Vote Battle Mage

Random vote

[ryan]

Yogurt has the right idea, also I dislike the fact that two people opted to try and get a bandwagon vote rolling on me.

I got my eye on you Qman and Black-Moon.

It's something to watch in later rounds I agree but with 5 (I believe) people yet to vote or do anything, it's early to start worrying about a bandwagon starting on ya. I don't think we are quite out of random voting yet, so I'll hang with mine till a few others do something.

[ryan]

no, there is little point me buddying up to an SK, seeing as he'll probably kill me at night.

Unvote, Vote: Ryan

i dont like being bandwagonned on Day 1 of humongous games. If you dont want me replacing back in on multiple occassions, dont kill me. lol

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What part of "random" did you miss? I still have a random vote on you BM, why the panic?

[ryan]

no, there is little point me buddying up to an SK, seeing as he'll probably kill me at night.

Unvote, Vote: Ryan

i dont like being bandwagonned on Day 1 of humongous games. If you dont want me replacing back in on multiple occassions, dont kill me. lol

What part of "random" did you miss? I still have a random vote on you BM, why the panic?

because a random vote generally isnt joining an already large wagon. it looked like sugar-coated opportunism :p[/quote]

You have 3 votes on you correct? HOW is that a wagon? Why are you so defensive?

[ryan]

I like my vote. However, I can't remember who I'm voting.

That sounds confident

[ryan]

Being only through 4 pages is going to make the SK hard to find and since nobody has come out and said, "Lynch me I'm the SK" the best way is to get the lurkers to come out and speak a little with some pressure votes. I'd like to hear from BattleMage on why he freaked out on me putting a vote on him. It was #3 and yet he acted like it was #9, any reasoning there?

[ryan]

It's not impossible to win the game but as I said earlier, content and some pressure is going to be our two keys on flushing out the scum

[ryan]

Unvote

Vote: Sir Tornado

I'm just using your suggestion. Let's start with you.

unvote, vote: DYH

I always find this kind of thing mildly scummy. It's the sort of thing that can fairly easily lead to a not-insignificant bandwagon on an innocent. Not damning evidence, but it'll do for now.

Mos, if you can't remember who you're voting for, how about voting DYH with me?

Oh don't get me wrong, I have no intention of seeing this bandwagon through; just testing the waters.

For today,

I'd honestly prefer to ultimately lynch a lurker

. The main reason you don't do it in traditional games is that they could have a power role. There are no town power roles, only insight. So if you're not going to post, you're not using your power.

"What!?" You ask, "are you crazy? You just told the SKs to post more!"

Exactly. Now they feel compelled to contribute, and they'll be plenty to glean from that later.

Unvote

Sorry but I can't disagree more with that statement. I'd rather see a lurker prodded and than replaced if necessary but lynching just to lynch is never a smart move

[ryan]

I went after lurkers for "content" or to be prodded. Are you telling me eliminating people just for not posting is a good idea?

[ryan]

What up the mini bandwagon that is currently starting on Givlmrak right now, bad or warranted?

[ryan]

Discussion and content narrows a field not just random lynches. I agree that lurkers need to be kicked in the butt, but I don't feel comfortable lynching somebody just because they haven't posted.

[ryan]

Since you posted Qman, what do you think about voting off lurkers?

[ryan]

Check the vote count, that'll show you who hasn't voted

[ryan]

What up about a no lynch than? Wouldn't that give us about as much information as a random one?

[ryan]

What up about a no lynch than? Wouldn't that give us about as much information as a random one?

You can't possibly be serious...

QFT... You've been around long enough at least to realize voting nolynch is precisely what we can't do in this game.

Ok, so answer me this. What's the difference between not lynching or lynching a current townie? It's already been said that nobody knows who anyone is so what exactly is the difference? 20 people playing and the chances of finding scum on a first lynch is pretty that's the point I was making.

[ryan]

Well if one SK kills another won't that be let known to the rest of the town? I mean we'll know that after they die and their role is revealed. I agree losing three in one night is a bad thing but that could happen even if we agree on a lynch, we could hit a townie with a lynch and lose three anyway. It's a tough numbers game but with 20 players we should have some better content to go by

[ryan]

I'm Here and Game for Lynchig Luckers other than myself. But before I vote I want to see Day 1 play out a little more.

140 posts in this thread my friend, what exactly would you like to "play out more?" We have 20 people in this game and about a handful are actually active, this might be about as good as we get until we start putting some pressure on our lurkers to get some content post instead of "I'm still waiting"

[ryan]

unvote/vote blahgo

The post letting us know that "I'm here" always makes me feel like you've been watching and waiting for your name to be brought up and than out of the clear blue sky you appear, BM still feels scummish to me but I'm happy with a vote on your head.

[ryan]

this is EXACTLY the sort of thing i expected. on your head be it...

What did you expect BM? On who's head be what? If you are going to post, at least post something readable.

[ryan]

Ok BM, who's our first day best lynch?

[ryan]

In all honesty how much more will we learn without a lynch? Heck nobody knows a whole heck of alot about anyone. Blahgo looks just as good as anyone else does right now

[ryan]

Aren't we discussing right now?

[ryan]

im not going to argue semantics with you MoS. suffice to say, i know that you are not completely stupid, and i wont be helping you play the "i dont know whats going on" card.

also,

Unvote, Vote: MoS

I dont believe you were setting a trap to catch scum.

i think you were setting a trap to catch lazy townies.

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Boy am I probably gonna regret saying this but BM that was exactly what I thought when I read that post this morning. It was posted that we should vote for people acting scummy? Your wish is my command

Unvote/Vote: Mastermind of Sin

[ryan]

So DYH, why haven't you voted anyone yet than?

[ryan]

Actually I went with agreeing with somebody I dont trust, but I do see his argument. I've never been a fan of BM's play but I think this time he hit the nail right on the head, a trap was trying to be set and instead of going after somebody (who is now being replaced) I'm happy with my vote. Are you telling me you don't see what MoS is trying to do?

[ryan]

So you feel the vote on MoS isn't a fair one?

[ryan]

I think you were trying to get the townies who aren't really doing anything trapped into a lynch

[ryan]

I belive that his unvote of Blahgo is based on speculation As for your vote on him fishing makes people look scummy. So it is a fair one, but I don't think I would vote him for it.

With you and 4 others yet to vote, where do you think the best place to place a vote is?

[ryan]

Why is everyone still voting Blahgo? He is not scum.

Proof?

I'm Here and Game for Lynchig Luckers other than myself. But before I vote I want to see Day 1 play out a little more.

Proof.

LOL at your proof/evidence, everyone says that during the game MoS, come on now, and BM I'm disappointed in you for calling that "evidence" I thought you were a better player than that. If you are going to post some "proof" at least give us something that not everyone else has posted as well. Blahgo is, what at -3 now? The town is speaking MoS, looks like Blahgo is the decision, are you saying that you won't go with what the town wants? As for you BM and the last game we played, wasn't that the game where you fake claimed and got yourself lynched because of it? Just something to think about my friend.

[ryan]

ooh slip up there Ryan

1. my comment about MoS's 'proof' was sarcastic. I was implying that he seemed pretty certain for someone who had virtually nothing.
2. Whats with your change of stance? it was only YESTERDAY that you were defending my fake-claim, saying that it was a good play. Now it seems like it suits you here to use it to attack me. The fact is, you were right the first time. My claim did the opposite of get me lynched-it helped me survive for another day. However thats irrelevant. the fact is that your reaction is contradictory to previous comments of yours.

Vote: Ryan

*Hows my Metagaming?

You are reaching BM, and for you, that's not a surprise. Go back through and tell me where I posted in this game that your claim was a good thing. Sure it kept you alive longer but that is neither here nor there. We are talking about "this game" not another game, but this game. What exactly did I slip up doing BM? I'm sorry if I missed your sarcastic tone, kinda hard to figure that out when you are reading a post that has nothing implying it was sarcastic. Your metagaming isn't very good and isn't going to help you in this game, I'm not scum my friend.

[ryan]

Is anyone else reading this? Calls me a liar, with no proof. Says I've acted scummy, again no proof. Quoting things from other games, or at least TRYING to quote things from other gamesm, and jumping back and forth from our game to some other game. Correct me if I'm wrong but what part of those mentioned things aren't scummy?

FoS BattleMage

for claims he has no proof of.

[ryan]

I'm not going to turn this thread into a pissing match BM but that quote said I couldn't fault you for your effort, that doesn't mean I agree with you but I couldn't fault you for an attempt, not a defense of your attempt. And thanks for pointing it out the actual topic IS no revelance to the game, so why bring it up? Why are you acting so guilty? (again) Actually that game is a great read on how BM can constantly be anti town with his actions and remarks, kinda like this current attempt.

[ryan]

BM: I'm not going to go down this road of 5-6 pages of mindless back and forth conversations (you and WGFaldo rings a bell in that thread you posted) I didn't lie (for the 3rd time) You have acted guilty since earlier when you jumped on me for placing a vote on you and it hasn't stopped since. Me saying I can't fault you for trying is sure as heck not a defense, it's a comment, period. You tried, you got hammered, nothing more. You gave it a shot, who can fault somebody for trying? Doesn't mean I agree with you doing it, it was a stupid claim and you got hammered because of it (rightfully so) you were acting anti town there and you are doing it again here. Taking things out of context seems to be your game style, it didn't work than, it won't work here.

[ryan]

You know how it was meant? Because you can crawl in my head and know what I mean when I post something? Are you that stupid? BM, you are doing exactly what gets people lynched, finding one person you think is scum and trying to beat them into scum, not gonna work, I'm not a SK, sorry but I'm not. As far as reducing your credibilty, you are doing that to yourself on each of your posts, I don't have to do anything to help out that cause. BTW, stop calling me a liar, I posted my response and you cannot for some reason see that as fact. Calling somebody a liar doesn't make them one, it makes you look like an idiot especially when they posted their side of the story. Stop muddying up the game.

[ryan]

BM: You are the only one to weigh in on my alleged "lie" just you fella, nobody else has commented on your "claim" Maybe you are a SK trying to get as many people to claim as possible?

[ryan]

Welcome Estes

[ryan]

I never tried to push through a blahgo lynch, I'm not even currently voting for him, especially since he is being replaced and I'm not a fan of replacing people who are lurking, I'd rather see them prodded and than replaced. I never retracted a statement, read the comment, I didn't agree or disagree with his claim, I mean seriously guys, where did I say that "Great job BM, your fake claim was a smart play?" I NEVER did. I'm confused on how this is being used against me. You guys do what you want but when I come up town, you two are going to look pretty stupid for pushing a lynch on a townie player.

[ryan]

Blahgo is, what at -3 now? The town is speaking MoS, looks like Blahgo is the decision, are you saying that you won't go with what the town wants?

This implies that you agree with the "town" and its decision to lynch Blahgo, since you are trying to force other people to conform to the bandwagon. The fact that you are not voting Blahgo yourself merely makes you a hypocrit for not practicing what you preach. And now you desperately fall back upon the "When I come up townie, you'll be sorry" ploy to try and scare us off your wagon. Unfortunately for you, I'm not afraid of being wrong. It is only by risking being wrong that we have a chance to be right. And I'm sure as hell the BM doesn't have any qualms about being wrong, or he wouldn't play the way he does. So nice try, Ryan, but you're not going to scare us off you.

You have picked on something that isn't even there and you MoS are like a sheep following BM down the path. We have no discussion right now and the only reason a bandwagon started on Blahgo was because he wasn't participating and with him being replaced why would I keep a vote on him? He didn't give us anything to go by, nor did he post anything that made him look guilty. You want to talk about being a follower? Starting thinking for yourself for a second. We have no legit evidence on anyone because the past 5 pages have been dominated by three people. Scare you off? I'm not trying to scare anyone, I'm stating a fact. I'm town, case closed. You have nothing but hypothetical evidence on me and when others start weighing in, you'll see that.

[ryan]

The town seemed to be happy with Blahgo as a lynch but than it seemed like nobody wanted to mislynch, so it stalled things. Another problem is that we do NOT have everyone contributing and only a few who are even posting. A deadline is probably going to have to be imposed.

[ryan]

[quote="DYH"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I think this day takes to long and we should have hammered someone already for no reason.[/quote]

QFT, almost. We should have hammered them for lurking. All we're getting today is a pissing match between Ryan and BM, and a bunch of random crap.

Let's save YB the trouble of finding a replacement and just kill Blahgo already.[/quote]

With the setup of the game the way it is, I will agree that we won't know much until after Day 1, and even than we might not know alot. But the participation in the game right now is lacking. Either get some replacements in that want to play or start mod killing, but discussion needs to pick up

[ryan]

I haven't posted because I haven't seen a reason to I said my piece and by and large, well, nothing has changed. Though I have been entertained by BM and ryan fighting though.

Yeah it's been a real treat responding to such intelligence

[ryan]

I haven't posted because I haven't seen a reason to I said my piece and by and large, well, nothing has changed. Though I have been entertained by BM and ryan fighting though.

Yeah it's been a real treat responding to such intelligence

its always nice to give a masterclass on how to play Mafia. usually im on the recieving end of such lessons, but today i feel like ive genuinely taught someone something valuable about the game.


Guys, i know you want to lynch a lurker, but wouldnt it be nicer to lynch someone who is not only scummy, but is also talking about the game outside of the thread?

By calling you a bully is discussing the game outside the thread? Ok BM, keep up the lies fella

[ryan]

I've stated my case already BM, I've shown I did not lie on your "metagame attempt" Keep your vote wherever you choose, but you are wrong, fella.

[ryan]

Welcome Lowell. Yes the game for the most part has been very inactive when it comes to posters/comments/thoughts. More than likely we are going to just have to go with a gut vote this first day and hope.

[ryan]

What about the lurkers Lowell? Any strategy on them?

[ryan]

I think after Day 1 we'll have a little more information. I have no problem with a BM wagon (also with as many as we have some others speaking up with be beneficial)

Unvote/Vote: BM

[ryan]

I think one of them is so confident in his abilities he's already out in the open.

[ryan]

I had a vote on BM earlier but since he's been replaced I will

Unvote/Vote: Mastermind of Sin

I like how you attempted to put me into a follower instead of a leader, and since I know I'm pro town and you attempted to start a bandwagon on me near a deadline (while I was on vacation) I have no problem going back to you on my vote

[ryan]

Agreed. We need discussion in this thread about THIS thread only

[ryan]

With a deadline still imposed we do still need discussion because we do not want a no lynch day 1. Newbies it would be appreciated if you could weigh in with some thoughts

[ryan]

bethelmark: So it would be fair for me to vote for you because of your non posting and lurking than correct? MoS is trying to get people to go after me because you are right, there isn't much to go on and since I at least posted thoughts and reasons I believed BM to be scum and why I voted MoS, also I did have a vote on Blahgo but changed it to BM because I felt he was acting anti town with his postings. As for his "role" you are right, it wouldn't change, but with him being replaced (thankfully) I'm giving Jordan a chance to speak. You see BM has a nack for being an asshole in games and whether he be scum or town it's tough to tell. Heck I've been in games with him before where he was lynched for acting anti town ONLY to turn up scum. I know for a fact that I'm a townie with no hidden agenda and with MoS on the warpath on me, I took a defensive approach in a game where all the basic rules of mafia can be thrown out and went with him. No squirming here MoS, just the truth SK.

[ryan]

Looks like somebody wasn't paying attention to the game (I did notice the front page hasn't been updated though but still)

[ryan]

With our deadline on Friday we need at least some sort of decision because a No Lynch would NOT be a good play for the rest of us townies. I'm normally not a fan of bandwagoning but in this setup, I think we need to get one started. Call that scummy or whatever you want but a vote on somebody and getting some others talking is the key here. The SK right now are LOVIN life as we are running around with no clear lynches

[ryan]

Could we get a vote count please?

[ryan]

After the vote count we should see who needs pressured and who needs to go (with the deadline looming)

[ryan]

Unvote/Vote Lowell

MoS has posted and while I don't agree with most of his thoughts and feel that he could be a SK, I'm going with a pressure vote here. Lowell hasn't said ANYTHING (which is unlike him. I've played games with him in the past, he's usually very active) Until the deadline I have no problem putting pressure votes on whoever needs it and right now, Lowell needs it. Sir Tornado, DYH, YB and Yagamilight, it would be in the town's best interest if you would at least put a pressure vote on somebody before our deadline

[ryan]

A no lynch is a possibility but I'm happier with some pressure votes to get some of these silent people talking, or we need some replacing, either or, our deadline is soon

[ryan]

Listen, Lowell has 6 votes by last check, I think that's the place to go for our Day 1 lynch. Call me a bandwagon starter or whatever you want but in this game all the regular rules of mafia seem to be thrown out the window. I'm satisfied to take out Lowell and get going Day 2

[ryan]

Alright COD, who deserves your vote? The majority is on the Lowell wagon right now, what makes you jump off? If we do a "no lynch" we are losing 3 townies (more than likely) and gaining zero knowledge. Lowell hasn't done anything in this game, but obviously isn't scummy in your eyes, who is and why?

[ryan]

The majority I made it 3 before I unvoted. Care to check

Hmmm, guess my count was off, I thought that was still 4 on Lowell. You still didn't answer my question, since you unvoted who deserves your vote right now?

[ryan]

reading retention problem.

Actually I mistook Lowell's and Jordan's votes, but it did work to get Lowell out of hiding didn't it?

[ryan]

I am back now, for real. I will read up and post within the next couple of days.

Remember our Friday deadline though

[ryan]

I don't entirely disagree with that Rand, people who vote themselves are looking for a pitty party, and I am NOT a fan of anti town moves, which if you are a townie and you are voting yourself, you are ANTI TOWN

[ryan]

No they can't, agreed. But I've been in a few games with people who vote themselves, idiots.

[ryan]

MoS: I don't disagree with your thought process. This game unfortunately is NOT a good one for newbies (especially town newbies) Here a random lynch isn't a terrible thing, the SK can't kill eachother only us townies. Either we choose somebody to die before Friday or we risk losing 3 townies with no SK's dying after Day 1. It's a real crapshoot right now but either we get some people on board or have "no lynch" chosen for us (by the mod)

[ryan]

It's also possible the SK's target eachother and thus we lose no townies at night

[ryan]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Then kill me, at least we have some progress in this random game then.

Unvote Vote: Kscope

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You are voting yourself? Heh?

[ryan]

I would hope people would NOT jump on KaleiÐoscøpe's bandwagon. I'd much rather see a townie replaced than obviously killed. For those of you who have voted, for the towns sake, please unvote. It is pretty obvious KaleiÐoscøpe is a townie who's bored, so let's get somebody in here that wants to scumhunt instead of lynching an obvious townie

[ryan]

Why are you acting protown after you just wanted us to kill you?

[ryan]

I think we have more information about players and their tendencies than you are letting on. People who haven't been active with content can be looked upon as people just sailing by and blending in. I think the way people have posted, voted and what content they've given be looked upon as information

[ryan]

Rules

You don't need me to tell you the reasons you're going around killing people, or how you're going to kill them. In fact, you need to tell me.

Each night, you can target someone to kill in your own special way.

If you target another SK, then you can't kill them because they're out killing. If, for some horribly unknown reason, they're not out killing, then they've locked the door. You cannot kill another SK at night. Stop trying.

You win by killing everything else in Redtown, except potted plants. You can understand them.

To confirm, PM the mod why you're a SK in Redtown, and your unique method of "disposal". By the way, just because there's some flavour in this town doesn't mean you have to listen to it. Hell, you could be a evil alien zombie robot vampire from the future, and I still wouldn't care.
(Note that I am not permitting evil alien zombie robot vampires. Even if they're from the past.)

This is being forgotten so I'm bringing it back up. SK's can't kill eachother, we as a town have to eliminate them.

[ryan]

A few comments about why a no lynch setup were eluding to the fact that SK's could knock eachother off, I was just pointing out that wasn't true

[ryan]

It allows for

different

scumtells. Just because there is no one working together does not mean that there are no scumtells. People do plenty of scummy things without having relation to another person. Any protown person that is only looking out for themself might as well give up now, because that's not going to help us. If Ksc0pe happens to be town by some stretch of the imagination, he's got the right idea in looking out more for the town than himself. I don't necessarily agree with his plan of action, but at least he has the right sentiment.

Just a suggestion but could you, when you quote players, don't forget to leave their names in there (so we know who had the original quote) This will be beneficial during re-reads, thanks

[ryan]

I say we should lynch today, if we don't we simply miss the chance to get an SK, with potentially 3 kills tonight without us really getting anywhere, we should lynch in most situations (obviously not all).

EXACTLY why I've been trying to stop the "no lynch" bandwagon.

[ryan]

Estes: Agreed, knowing exactly who's replaced in and who is lurking would be beneficial right now (I know I don't have the time to go back through and look and tally)

[ryan]

For the record, I think a no lynch would be a bad idea, we only have a limited number of shots to lynch the SK's and giving up one of the 4-5 chances we will have to kill them. Giving one up really gets just helps to dig a hole for us to have to crawl out of.

I think it will be nearly impossible day 1 to get a solid read on anyone (to some extent this lasts all game) as everyone is protecting their own head. I don't think we can even read into people defending others for thisg ame because in the end everyone is putting themselves first. I suspect that in the end, we'll find the SK's through who they push to get lynched, but otherwise we will be limited in true scum tells.

Aren't you still without a vote?

[ryan]

Mod: Prod DYH, please

A vote count would be appreciated too.

[ryan]

I don't like a no-lynch on day 1. A lynch gives us a 1 in 6 chance of hitting. A no lynch doesn't do that.

And, the SKs get 3 NKs between them. So, 1 extra townie (should the lynch go bad) doesn't really make much of a difference.

Another thing is, that for how many days are we going to carry out the no-lynch (if we do one today that is)? The arguments for a no-lynch today would be more or less valid tomorrow too.

We shouldn't no lynch ever

. At least, not anywhere near this point in the game. It's not a strategically sound option.

I think this point is getting beaten to death. I think we've already shown that a no lynch is going to be a mistake. Now MoS, let's go find us some scum and do a little lynching!

[ryan]

What do you think I've been trying to do? I've already found two possible scum, and a bunch of idiots are running around talking about how it's impossible to get scumtells and how we should just randomly select someone to die. It's idiocy...

It's difficult to find scumtells with this setup but not impossible, thanks for calling me an idiot, I'm use to the g/f calling me stupid, but not an idiot

[ryan]

Yeah and in 375 he also moved on as nobody jumped on his "Vote Ryan Bandwagon: which is very interesting. Trying to find a bandwagon to start and get everyone to jump on?

[ryan]

You do have to be respectful though MoS.

[ryan]

I understand that MoS, but you calling friends idiots and calling people you do not know idiots is different. The people that aren't actively pursuing scum will end up getting their ass in trouble because of it.

[ryan]

Little fit? Because I asked him not to call people idiots? Ok, I guess JDodge.

[ryan]

I am back now, for real. I will read up and post within the next couple of days.

And what did you come up with?

[ryan]

Be honest, even the threat of a deadline didn't get all the players up in arms and posting. MoS, I understand that a "random lynch" on Day 1 isn't a good idea but I can't find a whole lot scummy in people who don't post. For now Lowell is my vote. He sat around and didn't post till he got like 5 votes on him, than he came out and when the votes went away, so did he.

unvote/vote Lowell

Call it a pressure vote or whatever you will, I'm happy with him as a first day lynch.

[ryan]

Ryan: Lowell seems to be away. He's not posting much in any of the other games I am in with him either.

Than when he returns I'm sure he'll give us some content

[ryan]

JDodge, I don't think it's Ryan alone... everyone is to blame for this. I don't think we have actually started to hunt scum yet. Some arguments on "Whether to random lynch or not" and "Does the Game theory for this one differ from general game theory" occupy most of the past few threads. And, to tell you the truth, I haven't got the slightest idea where to start from.

Try starting with Ryan and/or Ksc0pe. It also looks like DYH is volunteering to be a place to start from.

And why should we find you anymore innocent than anyone else? You've been trying to start up a bandwagon on me for quite awhile now with very little evidence. What's to stop us from voting you?

[ryan]

Making the most posts and throwing around suspicions doesn't make you the most pro town.

[ryan]

EBWOP: Since no one seems to agree with me about Ryan, I'll go to my second choice.

unvote, vote: Ksc0pe

I still find this quote to be curious at best. Basically it's saying "well I'll give the Ryan bandwagon one more chance and than I'll jump on somebody else and see if it flies" He's made some good comments and asked some decent questions but this one still makes me think he's searching for the best bandwagon.

[ryan]

That was made when there was a deadline, so if no-one was going to agree with him about lynching you, he would want to put the vote somewhere useful.

So he could be looked upon as somebody who's willing to go with the flow? Instead of putting a vote on somebody he thinks is a SK he's going to put it on the more popular wagon? I find that very interesting.

[ryan]

Ok Jordan I understand, MoS is on your "defend till death list" I'll take my suspicion somewhere else.

[ryan]

Not to mention the fact that there are

3 SKs

...

ryan is one of them

, but I have two more to find. Since Ksc0pe was a likely second SK, I had no problem voting him, when it seemed like people would be more willing to vote for him.

I was trying to come up with the best way to answer this so I figured I'd go with the standard "You couldn't be more wrong" I'm tired of your bandwagon attempts on me, my vote stays with you and it's not moving till you are swinging from the tree SK. Jordan might be drinking your Kool-Aid, but I sure as heck am not.

unvote/vote Mastermind of Sin

[ryan]

Lowell, I see you are back posting, can we expect something from you here as well?

[ryan]

After this first day should be interesting to see if any SK's target eachother

[ryan]

I realize that Jordan, I'm saying it'll be interesting if they target eachother and how that plays out in the end game. How will SK's use that to their advantage and can the town get an early lynch of a SK will be also interesting.

[ryan]

Not to mention the fact that there are

3 SKs

...

ryan is one of them

, but I have two more to find. Since Ksc0pe was a likely second SK, I had no problem voting him, when it seemed like people would be more willing to vote for him.

I was trying to come up with the best way to answer this so I figured I'd go with the standard "You couldn't be more wrong" I'm tired of your bandwagon attempts on me, my vote stays with you and it's not moving till you are swinging from the tree SK. Jordan might be drinking your Kool-Aid, but I sure as heck am not.

unvote/vote Mastermind of Sin

Nice OMGUS.

Not as if you haven't been doing the same thing MoS

[ryan]

You've posted just enough to look townie MoS, but only had real suspicion on me and Kscope. I'm sorry if I'm town and not appreciating an attempt to bandwagon me, what could I be thinking?

BM (now Jordan) is not scum, and I stand by that.

No proof once again, just a statement with nothing to back it up.

People do plenty of scummy things without having relation to another person.

Like starting obvious bandwagons?

EBWOP: Since no one seems to agree with me about Ryan, I'll go to my second choice.

unvote, vote: Ksc0pe

Honestly at this point I’m happy with whoever goes down lynch wise. We’re going round and round in circles with this setup with no end in sight. KaleiÐoscøpe has had alot of suspicion thrown his way and I have no problem putting a little more pressure to hear some non scummy things come from him

Unvote/Vote KaleiDoscope.

[ryan]

Rand Althor
Estes
theopor_COD
ChannelDelibird

Anything new you guys want to share? All of you have been active at certain points but quiet as far as content for awhile. Anyone you find scummy enough to warrant a lynch?

[ryan]

I am amazed at the fact that ryan has not been lynched yet.

Wow are my feelings hurt. I guess if you have no problem killing a townie

[ryan]

I am amazed at the fact that ryan has not been lynched yet.

Wow are my feelings hurt. I guess if you have no problem killing a townie

I do. That's why I want to lynch

you

.

So what I haven't figured out yet is it you pushing my bandwagon or theopor_COD? At least MoS has posted a semi excuse for seeing me get unfairly lynched. Town is all I'm playing for my friends, sorry I couldn't volunteer up that I'm a SK, cause frankly, I'm not.

[ryan]

I think Ryan's trying to hard to impress . . .

Trying hard to impress? I'm appearing pro town because I AM pro town. I'm no sure I agree that we should lynch an active player. This thread is slowly dying anyway, why would we want to get rid of somebody that posts? Heck that was one of the reasons I took my vote off of MoS, without his constant "you are scum Ryan, you must die" antics, this game would be on page 5 or 6, or without Jordan's "MoS must live, we must keep him alive" posts, we'd be back on page 3. I'm getting to the stage of wanting to pick a bandwagon and lynch somebody and take our chances in Day 2, cause right now this game is like wiping before ya poop, it just doesn't make sense. 8)

[ryan]

Honestly, that looks fine to me, he asked to be lynched earlier, as far as I'm concerned, wish granted. The bandwagon has begun

Unvote/Vote:DYH

[ryan]

I've been "volunteering" since this day began

And there is your reason to bandwagon, he volunteered for it

[ryan]

ATTENTION EVERYONE.

RYAN IS

THE

SINGLE MOST OBVIOUS ANTI-TOWN PLAYER I HAVE

EVER

SEEN IN A MAFIA GAME.

If you were

looking

, you would notice his opportunistic wagon-hopping and general attempts to add "I'm town! I'm town! I'm town!" to everything.

WOW. If that isn't the biggest OMGUS comment I've ever seen. I'm not a SK, so why should I say I am? Get over yourself JDodge, you are trying WAY to hard to start something that isn't there. Jump on the DYH bandwagon and see what happens at night my friend and WOAH lay off the caffeine, yikes.

[ryan]

Stop trying to argue and show how big a man you are, it's a game, take a step back and a breath of fresh air and remember that. Kindly deal with it? Come on now, what are we in California with the valley girls now? Shall I await a "talk to the hand" comment next? You haven't found scum, so move along and stop making yourself look so childish. DYH volunteered himself to be lynched, are you missing that or shall I requote it for you?

[ryan]

I'm in California with the Valley Girls.

Excellent, send pics!!!!

[ryan]

As I said earlier DYH offered up to be the first lynch, I'd go with him. AS for having 10 active posters, yeah we have 10, just barely.

[ryan]

Unvote/Vote:Kaleidoscope

I'm sure my friend JDodge will jump all over me on this one but eh, what are ya gonna do? Bring on the lynch of KaleiDoscope Two people have offered up their head on a platter for us, might as well go with the one with the most votes (we're 21 pages in with no end in sight guys) Estes, theopor_COD, and YagamiLight let's end Day 1, join us on the bandwagon.

[ryan]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Jordan, all the things you've named so far are things that townies do as well. Even the SK's can just take the "I don't care if I die" attitude just to throw off suspicion this way because it's "not an sk-tell".

Seriously though,

logic is for the weak. Bandwagons for life

.[/quote]

If I didn't already have my great ABR signature that would have made it in, nicely put

[ryan]

Come on DYH, I see you logged on, jump on the bandwagon with us

[ryan]

There are no tells on this day DYH, but do whatever suits you. I'm more than happy to admit to jumping on and starting bandwagons, does it really matter? We are now 22 pages into a thread that could go on forever. You've been sitting on your vote for Lowell for what, forever? Even though we've been stating he needed prodded? Do whatever makes ya happy with your vote though.

[ryan]

I didn't snip it on purpose DYH, in all honesty I'm not sure why it happened that way. I'll claim stupidity. DYH, for somebody who didn't care you all of a sudden are sure hot to trot, why is that?

[ryan]

Stupid townies, told ya I was innocent! Bah, go town (I guess)

[ryan]

*rises from grave*

Is our mod even watching this anymore?

*falls back into grave*

[ryan]

Just so you guys know, your mod hasn't posted on this site since August 14th, I think it's safe to say this game is officially dead.

[ryan]

Mod Edit: No talking from dead players, thank you.

[ryan]

Mod didn't do a good job of keeping us on course

The game had WAY too many inactive players

Not a good setup

*My thoughts*