NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE: Toomai

Mind explaining your nocturnal activities? My results were...damning.

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My plan is to coast to lylo while remaining peripheral.

Objections should be raised now.

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Overruled.

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Toomai, are you scum? Be honest.

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Aegor, should I vote for Toomai?

Yes. Actually.

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(I also don't want to talk about what's bothering me about Bob so far because A) it's meta and B) I want to see how he develops naturally)

Are you familiar with the Observer Effect?

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Wait I figured it out. You rolled Serial Killer AGAIN, didn't you Aegor

IDK; you will have to run me up and see whether I implode like last time.

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Here. Was busy today reading an 100+ page game and submitting stuff to the NRG. Will post tomorrow.

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@Aegor

Do you have any other reads besides Toomai?

Yes. TSO is probably my biggest scumread at the moment, but I will continue voting for Toomai in order to push for his mislynch.

Anybody can slip at anytime. If everything that happened during RVS was moot, we would never leave in RVS.

That being said, I wasn't saying Bob is scum because he OMGUSed. I was saying I didn't like the reaction.

Speaking of RVS, I believe RVS is over.

UNVOTE:

Why unvote? Why not keep the vote?

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[...] but I will continue voting for Toomai in order to push for his mislynch.

1. How is pushing for this mislynch pro-town?
2. How do you know it's a mislynch?
3. How do you expect to get others to join in what you state to be a mislynch?

I have no response to those questions.

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....
Alright, well something shitty is going on here. I don't know if we're missing something, but someone who is pushing for a mislynch is obviously not helping us... I've seen Aegor's town game, even his cop game, and this isn't it.

VOTE: Aegor

Start providing real information, please.

I was flailing. I hate early Day 1s and have difficulty forming scumreads on so little information. So, my answer is "experimentation." I was hoping for more interesting reactions to my "slip," but at least I got some. I am townreading you slightly more.

In fact I find Toon's questions kind of scummy. If you stop to think about them for a moment you'll realize that the answers to all of them are very obvious, so obvious in fact that they're almost non-questions. This begs the question of why did Toon ask them.

Agreed.

I have no idea why I'm your biggest scumread.

No reason. I was getting annoyed at your fluff, so I figured I would try to snap you out of it.

Aegor's being a doofus, but it's null for now. If he continues to be a doofus as the game progresses then it'll be an issue.

reinoe's entrance is awful.

Vote: reinoe

^Toomai, convince me this is not opportunistic and that you actually thought reinoe was scummy.

@Aeronaught, Aegor, Mirhawk, TheWayItEnds, Toomai, BicephalousBob, Boonskiies, and CABD...

Does this remind you of my scumgame(s) that you've seen before?

No, which means nothing, as you know well.

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, Aegor are you cheeky scum this game? I'm really starting to worry about that. I don't recall you being so cheeky ever before.

I am not scum! This game needs a serious kick in the pants. Maybe a lurker flashwagon. May I suggest Kid A?

For what it's worth, AP is simply going to call everything I do scummy - if you want to listen to him, great, but I'm not going to respond to his twisting. Anyone else is okay.

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I am not scum! This game needs a serious kick in the pants. Maybe a lurker flashwagon. May I suggest Kid A?
Any reason you chose to pick a name not in this game?

Mixing up gates?



VOTE: Ki-Gi for pushing hard in a very safe direction in an opportunistic way.

Toomai's post about replacing out is scummy. "OMG, everyone seems town." So? It is Day 1.

DJ is scummy for popping up as soon as he was mentioned and then still not reading the game.

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I have no problem moving back, but I want to explore other avenues at the moment.

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Yeah...I think I am going to keep my vote.

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KiGi is scummy....for pushing someone who is scummy?

Do you know for sure that there is only one scum faction?

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Even if we knew there were, they are both scummy. I would have no problem lynching both of them.

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I sure as fuck am not letting another game like 175 occur where the fucking vig shoots the same targets as the mafia faction(s).

LOLOLOLOLOL. True story.

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I like Cephrir.

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I meant as town.

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And I considered double-posting to say that, but thought it would be clear. I was wrong.

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Ninja

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T S O, tell me more about non-reinoe players.

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LA until Friday; should be able to post.

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Still happy with Ki-Gi vote. TSO votes continue not to make any sense.



My current lynchpool is {DJ, Toomai, Ki-Gi}

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Will any of these suspicions on me turn into votes? They are kind of bland right now.

My current lynchpool is {DJ, Toomai, Ki-Gi}

Opinion on MVP?

He can go, but after Toomai.


VOTE: Toomai

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Caught up, but not super invested in the last five pages or so.

Does anyone have any questions for me? I am happy to provide reads or do ISOs or something. Someone take me up on this, otherwise I may have no energy.

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VOTE: MVP

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VOTE: MVP

You were so set on voting for Toomai, what's with the change of heart all of a sudden?

Change of heart?

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You've changed your vote.

Exploratory.

Twie bob toomai aegor

That's the scumteam

Goodnight Los Angeles

That is a horrible list except for Toomai.

If I was to vote MVP, which I probably will, you realise it's based on notscience lurking, yeah?

Yes. Do it anyway.


I would say there is guaranteed scum in Toomai/MVP/DJ.

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I would say there is guaranteed scum in Toomai/MVP/DJ.

This is swell, I like it.

If I switch to MVP now can I have Toomai tomorrow?

Given that I wanted Toomai and instead am getting MVP today, yes.

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Willing to switch to Toomai if MVP wagon disintegrates.

Bob votes make no sense and are really, really bad. Surely scum would have PMed the mod about such questions? I PMed the mod about the GS results. There is no reason to post in-thread; it is null.

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Caught up. Also confused as to why AP dropped his aegor push from earlier.

I now. Now I feel lonely and disengaged.

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Hmm...which of the wagons that I dislike should I join?


Could someone summarize the reinoe/Bob cases? Or just tell me to ISO them (I am happy to find it myself)? I do not mind doing the research, but I cannot remember anything too thorough on either of them.

Feeling like MVP's claim is fake.

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VOTE: Toomai

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I am really tempted to vote Bob, seeing that his latest series of posts runs the gamut of survival attempts.

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VOTE: aegor

going back to my origional thoughts. would still vote mvp as well

What? Why?

And why would you vote me when I wanted an MVP lynch yesterday? Well, Toomai preferably, but you know...



VOTE: Toomai

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lol sucks for you.

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the bolded is a partial reason why. you keep saying you want MVP but instead keep going at toon

MVP was a compromise,

as I stated explicitly

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Anyone who is even calling me scum HAS NO IDEA OF HOW I EVEN PLAY AS SCUM. Cephrir has never seen me as scum! How the fuck would he know?

I have so many issues with this whole thing it's just too much.

Hold on a minute...

When I submitted several examples of how there is no fucking way in hell that this is my scumgame, you did everything in your power to try and discredit those claims. Even though several players who had just played with and against me as scum confirmed it.

I will post tomorrow.

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@aegor: still dont care you have been at him all game and you even think his claim is fake, so whats your other reaosn?

Reason for what? Not liking MVP?

I agree. I still don't like Toomai, but this is objectively the best post he's made all game.

Disagree. It was basically IIoA as far as I could tell.

I probably will not be able to make a giant post until Friday. My lynchpool is currently {Toomai, MVP, reinoe}. Not sure whether Toomai's scumspicion of reinoe should throw a wrench in my reads or not. That is my next task.

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i want to see your giant wall post. you constantly harp on MVP for most thread but keep moving to toon. to me its jsut guts scum read. but maybe your wall will make me think otherwise

Have I been unclear in my preferences for lynches? I have tried to be transparent.

@iz:

I have played with reinoe before; he often trolls. I therefore did not feel the need to push him in particular this game, especially given that I had two other players I wanted dead.

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Why do quicklynches keep happening while I am asleep?

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Cabd, spit it out.

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T S O, you are moving the goalposts.

Do I really need to explain to that when I say "haven't seen him post" it means anything meaningful? Is the distinction really that difficult to discern?

Well then lets talk about my counterwagon on Mirhawk and how not meaningful that was.

And of course I'm claiming you're doing nothing. Like this conversation, for example. Instead of explaining what you've actually been doing (not much) you're trying to pretend this conversation is about me. It's not. It's about you.

Mirhawk already explained what he did. You are both ignoring his posts and keep changing your definition of contribution purposefully to exclude whatever Mirhawk has done.


VOTE: Toomai

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Ninja'd

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...Mirhawk?

What?




ika also probably scum. I feel like Toomai is taunting us by seeing how scummy his posts can be and still avoid a lynch.

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Because there would be little reason to both block and kill MVP.

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Can we just lynch Toomai and then ika, please?


Can anyone even tell me a reason to keep Toomai alive?

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Can we just lynch Toomai and then ika, please?


Can anyone even tell me a reason to keep Toomai alive?

b/c im scum or im just a troll?

if its the former you going 1v1 me then. if its the later then im all for it

My contribution to this game is rapidly becoming pathetic.

I have no idea what Cabd is talking about.

ika could be scum. The post above this reeks.

i feel a 1v1 coming up...

you guys keep saying "i can be scum" w/o a vote. so if you think i am scum you votepark your ass on me now or you can gindly QUIT FENCESITTING (or doublecating or whatever the fuck the term is)

You certainly can be scum. But given that this is the third day I have wanted a Toomai lynch, I am voting him, not you. Surely you are not saying that one can have only a single scumread at a time?

And I will gladly 1v1 you.

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Why not vote Toomai then?

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I...I want to kill you.

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i just prefer being hammer voter so players cant go "oh derp unvote we reached deadline" or "ill be around deadline to hammer" and then dont show up. im around on a constant basis, and if im not i make it known that i will not be around. too many times i have seen players go "be around for deadline" and not show up due to rl. while i cant blame ppl for rl, its how i have seen countless scums get away for a day and then even make it endgame and win.

It also absolves you of actual responsibility for votes. You can hammer whenever you want, but I still want to see you voting. I hate no lynches, too.

thats why i like to designate hammer.

We do not always get what we want, sadly.

day 1 i came and and saw wagon, i knew my hammer would incrimminate me mostly (huh nobody really came at me for bobs hammer, its an easy angle to push)

day 2 was basicly a huge piss fight of rione vs tos. i gave a forwarning i would hammer, also it was going nowhere with the piss fight going on and some people were psuhing the lynch for policy.

Vote today. We are nowhere near deadline.

all that said, i know we are not near deadline, but if it comes to it i rather be around to do it then leaving it to someone else just so we dont have shnanigans of "missed hammer". if i am going to not be around for deadline, i will say and place my vote beforehand.

Vote now. You are being ridiculous.

plus i like hammering, i find the joy of being the one who does it. i have gotten a good anough share of it this game that if someone does go to l-1 again im not going to hammer unless AP/cabd say or its deadline.

Then vote Toomai, whom you openly scumread.

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Why are you not voting Toomai, MIrhawk?

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ika, stop being a boob and vote Toomai.

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I am caught up.

I really have no interest in lynching someone other than Toomai unless a compelling case is presented. That has not happened. I confess that I do not understand why so few players are voting, and the nonvoters bother me greatly.

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Any questions for me? Anything anyone wants me to read or review? If not, I will just wait until Toomai is lynched.

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Something to do with posts given the x-axis.

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I am indifferent about Cabd. What bothers me is that Toomai is still not dead.


Also, the reason for killing MVP is obvious: he is an investigative PR.

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an investigative PR that stated his intent to investigate Cabd.

If town-MVP investigates town-Cabd, why would scum bother to stop this? Just kill Cabd Night 2. MVP wouldn't get results. Mislynch MVP for being unable to confirm his safe roleclaim. Done.

Several issues:
1) MVP would not be mislynched

if his claimed target died

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2) There is no reason to believe that MVP would ultimately investigate Cabd, and he therefore poses a risk to scum as long as he is alive.

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"he" = "they" in reference to MVP.

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MVP's claim hinged on producing Night 2 results. I feel like the doctor may have protected MVP Night 2 to give them the opportunity to produce those results since MVP was the only claimed PR. Not protecting an investigative roleclaim during their only night to produce results seems like a bad play. If he couldn't produce results when protected, then lynch him day 3.

More reason to believe that Cabd would not necessarily be his target. And scum would know that.

But if Cabd's crumbing about having information to reveal on day 3 drew away the doctor's protection to Cabd last night, that left MVP open for the kill. Not being the doctor, I can't confirm the doctor's actions here but I think it's a distinct possibility that Cabd drew away the protection from MVP, which got MVP killed, intentionally or otherwise.

I don't want or need a doctor's claim here btw.

Do we even know if there is a doctor? Why are we speculating about this?


Why are we not lynching Toomai?

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1) MVP wasn't at the top of most read lists on Day 2, from what I saw. I don't think an MVP mislynch on day 3 would be impossible to imagine. Not producing results would just be another nail in the coffin.

It does not matter. If Cabd died, I doubt MVP could have been lynched if MVP then said that Cabd was his target. And that still does not change the fact that MVP could have received results on actual scum and was therefore a threat.

2) I think there's ample reason to think it's the highest probability. I'd rather make the likely assumption that he was investigating Cabd than make the stretch that he wasn't. He hinted at his intent several times.

Which is irrelevant because we cannot verify the authenticity of his stated intent. He could have been hinting at that for any number of reasons that would lead to his ultimate investigation on another player. I dispute vehemently the assertions of "highest probability" and "likely assumption."

a 15 player game with a vigi and even-night investigative role wouldn't have a protective role? I think that's unlikely.

Not impossible. And a potential protector could have any number of modifiers, like JK or a night modifier.

I'm fine with speculating on the assumption that we have a doctor.

I see no reason to speculate at all.

And I'm not voting Toomai because day 2's quicklynch took time away from things I wanted to do before the end of day. I don't feel like a repeat.

What things, exactly? And does it not bother you that there has been an anti-Toomai contingent that has watched Toomai escape two subsequent quicklynches? Speculate on that.


Also, I feel like you wanted something from me that I did not deliver because yesterday ended so quickly. Please tell me if you still want something from me and, if so, what it is and whether you have any additional requests.

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And?

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Remind me about the Mirhawk case. If it is in your ISO, just say so and I will check it out.

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How does the MVP kill connect to Mirhawk? What is the relevance of the RBer in relation to Mirhawk? Did he even claim? I have a memory hole for like twenty pages of this game for some reason.

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I am not sure I like Mirhawk's vote.

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ika, vote Toomai. We have four days left.

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Wait, does ika have two votes?

Also, you are a douchebag and I will not be voting for anyone in the future until you vote for them first.

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^to ika.

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Not willing to give up on Toomai wagon yet. Iz comes off much better than Mirhawk in the recent exchange; questioning the desire for players to provide reasons makes no sense.

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I want Cabd's claim.

I also want to lynch Toomai. Even under extreme pressure, the best he can come up with is a summary of claims. Not one of his posts feels genuine, and none is incisive.

LYNCH


scrambles' claim will require further analysis on my part, but I see no reason to lynch a claimed cop unless we collectively agree that there are no scummier candidates. At the moment, there are.

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Maybe his role is not investigative?

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if he's not investigative, how did night 2 clear AP? I asked about this before, but he never bothered to reply, so maybe one of you guys can answer it for me.

There are plenty of options. Go explore the Roles category on the Wiki. But I have no interest in preempting Cabd's claim. Chill out.

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Let us lynch Toomai.

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Will catch up tomorrow or Monday.


Who has claimed PR?

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Catching up throughout today.

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I feel disinclined to believe Cabd.

Discuss.

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Caught up. Actually following along, but not actively doing research, so my reads are not well-defined/in flux.

TSO, I am happy to research Ceph, but would you mind briefly summarizing why he is scum? Not the rant-like stuff that you have been posting; instead, something that is intelligible to an analytical/rational person like me.

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T S O, I already looked through your ISO. I did not find what I was looking for. I guess I have no real reason to lynch Cephrir, so the loss is yours.

I am pretty much directionless after Toomai flipped town because he was hella scummy. As was MVP. I probably want to lynch AP or Cabd.


And we should massclaim.

I am VT.

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I did not get nothing; I got nothing analytical/rational, which is what I wanted. As I said. And as you have consistently failed to deliver.

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I am not interested in your screeds, which is sadly all that you have presented against Cephrir. I am actually caught up, but obviously nothing you said was that compelling, otherwise I would be voting Cephrir.

Anyway, a lack of ill-defined reads is not that bad. I will probably ISO the inactives this weekend and decide which one should die. We should also collectively discuss Cabd's claim and its implications, but that conversation is hindered by his absence.

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I looked through prior votecounts. It is interesting to me that essentially all players who have been wagoned since the beginning the day are now dead (mainly lynched), with the exception of Cabd and T S O, both wagoned relatively early on Day 1. This suggests to me that either scum is sitting back and got lucky, or that scum is orchestrating the lynches.

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I am currently overcomitted and my own game just started, as you know. Last week was the worst work week ever for me; I worked twenty hours more than usual.

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And all of the people I actually thought were scum, especially Toomai, flipped town. so...

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I am so...tempted. But still feel like Cabd is probably scum.

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Cabd is scum

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LOL. Am I the lone townie?

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Reading this tonight.

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I have read the last ten pages of spam.


VOTE: Cabd

If he is not scum, idc who the scum is. The fact that I am town and he was not hammered tells me everything I need to know.

I will laugh if this is 3v3 multiball and I am the only town player left.

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I did. He was not hammered then, which means either he is scum or all the scum were on his wagon already.

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See?

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And I doubt he is a Vengeful Maf. I am willing to take that risk.

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Re-vote, fool.

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Could we please lynch him already? At this point, anyone not on his wagon is basically hardclaiming scum.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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50% odds

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Sad. Anyone with strong feelings?

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It seems obvious to me that at least one of TSO and Cephrir, or else the game would have ended with a quickhammer by now.



What are the claims on the table?

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Any competent scum would have settled quickhammer times in advance.

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T S O, would you be okay with my voting Iz? I need to ISO him, but I think that I am ready for this game to end.


Still bothered because I think Ceph is scum.

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Wait, nvm. Not willing to vote Iz.

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Mind explaining your vote, T S O?

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And the rest of his ISO? Looked pretty legit to me.

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