NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

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oh man I have wanted to post this for a while

vote Save the Dragons

oh man that feels good

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in keeping with old school traditions this day can't last for more than like 10 pages

let's do the LML thing

unvote vote LML

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Glork wagon is best wagon, obviously.

VOTE: Glork

trying to shift us away from the obviously righteous wagon on scumbuddy LML

game is ezmode

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unvote vote Tigris

choo choo!

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^ scum

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I wont construct a list for him, but there are a couple obvious standouts for me, and there is also an obvious divide between those that were actively recruited because they were respected in their day, and those that were simply still around (which isn't to say that actively playing for 6-10 years isn't it's own selection pressure, but then most of that class wasn't active the whole time~).

hey! rude!

not gonna deny it, but still, rude!

words words words I forgot how much FUN it is to play in mafia games where people actually talk through their reasonings, although I'm going to have to pull that playstyle back out of the bag, I've kind of shifted to fit in with the new people.

I like VitaminR and LML for scum. I'm not really feeling Tigris as scum anymore (that was mostly shameless bandwagoning though) and I REALLY am not feeling SSK for scum atm

unvote

for now though

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it looked like scum picking "townreads"

also "strong players going for an easy lynch" doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you actually think about it. seemed like grasping at straws rhetoric to me to beef up a "these people look like town" assertion that really didn't have much behind it other than VR knowing their alignment already.

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which I guess is similar, but I just want to make it clear

like I said in the earlier post, I'm trying to get back into my older, wordier playstyle. the kids today like "^scum" type posts more than long explanations. you know how it is.

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okay? I'm still saying that the whole concept of strong players going for an easy lynch is pretty nonsensical and seems like scummy rhetoric.

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I think that's incontrovertible evidence that Prozac is scum

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1.) Untrod Tripod, do you prefer playing as scum or town? Why?

I love being town. Figuring stuff out is fun. Dissecting arguments, finding motivations, skewering liars, etc. It's a great time.

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Who here has/remembers experience with Green Crayons? He's doing this thing where hes active and rereading but only reading things at a superficial level and that just seems contradictory to me.

I just finished a game with him and this is in keeping with what i experienced there

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UT, are you town?

If you had to have your vote on someone other than yourself AT ALL TIMES, where would it be right now?

Yes

either LML or VitR

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I'd be more than happy to join the LML wagon if you could explain why he's a better choice than Seol.

Because gut. Follow your heart STD

vote LML

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In post 276, CrashTextDummie wrote:
In post 166, Untrod Tripod wrote:
I love being town. Figuring stuff out is fun. Dissecting arguments, finding motivations, skewering liars, etc. It's a great time.


Have you actually done any of that?


I think he has you there, UT.

eh.

a. the stuff I got off VitR was that.
b. I don't liveblog my reading. most of that happens internally.
c. you know gosh darn well that you can't really do a lot day 1 with real cases.

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and I'm not trying to back off my VitR or LML reads there. I still feel strongly about those.

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If you'll allow me to Meta myself,

No

and I'm not trying to back off my VitR or LML reads there. I still feel strongly about those.

Are you implying that you think VitR and LML are scum together? That doesn't feel likely to me at this point.

I don't recall saying I thought they were scum together. They're independent reads, and if we flip one as scum then I will reevaluate my reads on the game.

@UT

, please explain how you view VitR's attacks on LML.

Not ignoring this. I'll get back to you on that later today.

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unvote vote Natirasha

post or perish

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get mathcam plz

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@Untrod Tripod: do you think VitR and LML can be scum together or are your reads on them mutually exclusive?

Are you implying that you think VitR and LML are scum together? That doesn't feel likely to me at this point.

I don't recall saying I thought they were scum together. They're independent reads, and if we flip one as scum then I will reevaluate my reads on the game.

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sup bitches

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In a game this size with this many players, wouldn't it make more sense NOT to put in the effort to do that analysis if LML was scum?

allow me to field this one: no.

unvote

pretty sure troll is town. So that's good.

LML I'm liking the non-game content of his posts, but I still think his actual in-game stuff has been fairly scummy. Doing a VCA and coming to the conclusion that a lot of D1 votes is a scumtell is pretty dadgum damning. That conclusion really doesn't follow, to me. But then he was voting me so grain of salt right?

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reading is tech, boo

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I was saying that the actual conclusion that he came to is scummy. It would have been scummy outside of the context of "because VCA".

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vote Bookitty

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mathcaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam!!!!!

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Also,

in keeping with old school traditions this day can't last for more than like 10 pages


Ha. Time to start reading.

trust me I'm just as disappointed as you are

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eh I'm totally happy to lynch either LML or Bookitty at this point

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@DrippingGoofball, I've had issues with Untrod Tripod's play, but that post is absolutely in line with what he's been saying in the game and is coming at an unsurprising time.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

You know DGB like to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks, right?

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Girl please

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Undo is just like that, ime

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Hey. Not my meta, but I find it especially odd that no one at all has called out CTD for being active all over the site, but largely ignoring this game. Some of y'all hated my VCA for calling out the vote switchers, saying that I'm ignoring the people under the radar.

Nope. Some of YOU are the ones talking out of both sides of the mouth.

FoS: CtD, and anyone else on a lurker hunt who didn't call him out.

some of us don't check that kind of thing, and I really have no intention of checking behind you.

that's like, the worst swingback attack I've ever seen. come on LML you can do better than that.

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I can do LML, but why are we not doing Bookitty, STD?

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the hell we do

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DGB this is really sad

come on

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Counterpoint let's lynch dgb because she's not even trying and as i recall thats a scumtell for her

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I hope we have a vig.

Yeah, you getting vigged would be awesome.

unvote vote lml

balls deep

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Dgb plz youre embarrassing yourself

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Not at all subtly calling my judgment into question

Stoop lower friend, I think you forgot a few

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UT is a special snowflake.

Thank you glrok that's all I ever wanted to hear from you

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Why

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Now there's a great idea

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vote DGB

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oh for fuck's sake VitR please don't embarrass yourself with a "he didn't say anything therefore he said EVERYTHING" case

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yeah okay but that's not what happened so...

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glork's just scum isn't he

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okay well I'll ignore you until 3p lylo then

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yeah well he's just scum, chamber

don't let the Mist get in your eyes

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Two of these players bus'ed LML yesterday, and are currently going after me, the easy lynch-du-jour.

woe is me I am so easy to lynch

god you're so scum dgb

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I'm sorry which one of us successfully called out scum on day 1 and which one of us trolled the game with a useless attempt at a wagon on me while asking people to make the case for you?

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I wish UT would post more

hey, you see that V/LA right by my name? yeah.

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Vanilla scum

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Yes yes glrok and dgb are probs scum

Glad we're on the same page

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Vote her cam

Abr isnt happening today

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Also, I'd totally lynch undo.

Of course

his long-awaited analysis post lands him on the wagon du jour... Just like it did I'm Bookitty Day One.

Voting for obvscum. Such a scumtell.

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holy shit DGB

uh

look I'm sorry I'm scumreading you, it really wasn't because of your personal life. Please be well

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shrug

I'm not convinced he's scum but I'll participate, if only to get the game moving

vote undo

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yeah okay ABR

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I feel like many of the same people would have voted for Sotty had the opportunity arose

got you something for what is apparently your new hobby

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wow great sleuthing

you've found the whole scumteam by looking at two unflipped players, one of whom hasn't mentioned the other by halfway through day 2

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I'm sorry undo but I have an oral contract with Glork to ignore him until 3p lylo

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I'm done with scumreading dgb

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vote PetroleumJelly

let's do it. blood for the blood god.

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unvote

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wow cam that's an astonishingly shitty vote

I mean ABR and DGB aren't even trying to come up with reasons for scumreading me, but that vote is just blowing my mind right now

vote mathcam

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Both chamber and mathcam wanting a UT lynch now makes me think that UT is town. Mathcam/everyone else, what are your thoughts on Porochaz? He has received very little attention in this entire game.

I didn't say that I wanted a UT lynch. I'm fairly sure I don't actually. All I said was that it was first instinct to go to UT if both Undo and PJ are town. His votes on both those wagons were fairly questionable.

it's page fucking 63 on day 2 and we've faffed about entirely too much today. I want some blood.

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VitaminR spends a lot more time defending other players than investigating and pressuring. He parks his vote on Glork for most of the day. Says there's something "off" about PJ and joins the bandwagon, then goes back to Glork. This is all very, very suspicious behavior. I could quote, and analyze, and write paragraphs, but I won't.

I'll summarize my reasons instead:

-defense/offense ratio
-park vote on Glork
-disengenuous posts
-tries hard to appear like he's contributing
-seeing things from a scum's perspective
-more calculation and precision in his posts to convey a deliberate image of him

Please let me know if you guys have questions for me. I think I've struck gold.

I tend to agree that VitR and Glrok could be scum

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holy fuck this is a gigantic pile of awful

can we please just have lynched like twenty five pages ago

because this is getting us nowhere except for outted town roles

like oh my god

I know one of the fake tells people are using to poke at my mislynch is "he's bandwagoning", but at least I'm not sidetracking every goddamn wagon because it's not the platonic ideal of wagoniness that everyone seems to demand

can we please just lynch one of mathcam/VitR/Glrok

this is fucking painful and the scum are loving it because it's helping to set up mislynches for later

how are this many good players in one place not seeing that

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Mathcam seems far more likely to happen, to be perfectly frank

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CAN WE STOP FUCKING ROLECLAIMING

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aaaaaaaaand we're splitting the wagons again

good work team! this can't possibly fail!

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fine

unvote vote Glork

smd prozac

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bah!

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great work, vig

really stellar shots you took