Mafia 64: The New "C9" - Game over!

[YogurtBandit]

Hey all, I was gone most of Today and Yesterday, but I'll read over the posts..

[YogurtBandit]

As much as I'd like to think BM is scum,I'd rather not vote him..

He could always be Serial Killer,and He did suggest who to kill after he was dead.. But then again, who could tell?

Not enough evidence to vote, but...

FoS:Battle Mage

[YogurtBandit]

HI! *flaps hands frantically in Yogurt's direction* LOL

LOL

[YogurtBandit]

lol why the hell would SK-BM be telling the town who to kill AFTER HE IS DEAD.
That makes no sense. also, i never get to be an SK

Did you just talk in 3rd person about yourself ?o.O

There is always a first time for everything

[YogurtBandit]

unvote, vote:Battle Mage

Might as well get it over with today.

You are right, and after reading his scumtell,

Vote:Battle Mage

Might as well join on the Wagon

[YogurtBandit]

Albert does seem... lurky. But I'm in another game with him (Mini 449) in which he is doing exactly the same. Again, we're both alive, but it does seem consistent.

Jack has brought up an interesting point, Yogurt barely has posted, even more so than Albert. If we're going after non contributers,

Unvote: Jack, Vote: YogurtBandit

I have posted less than either.

fos

beanbagboy. You seem to want to follow.

Jack, He's following because you said

let's wagon.

BattleMage seems protown, so

Unvote

Jack, IGMEOY.

[YogurtBandit]

Are you... supporting your own wagon? O.o

Also, BM, what the hell was that? Move to the... scumbag with the largest wagon? I'm sorry, that's too much.

Unvote, Vote: BM

I dont know, was I supporting my wagon? O.O

[YogurtBandit]

You're defending me jumping on your wagon. That's... strange...

No, I thought Jack was jumping to conclusions to quickly.

[YogurtBandit]

Unvote

. Yogurt, the post combination of #'s 85 and 99 makes my hair stand on end. Since the only thing that BM did between those two posts was vote for you and continue his feud with TCS, can you please tell me how he became "protown" in that time frame? And why the IGMEOY for Jack?

Actually, I dont know exactly why, but after reading him ranting about acting scummy when hes protown, I sort of laid off on a vote on him.

I didnt like the way Jack said "Lets wagon" In his post where he voted me.
Yes, It was a slight OMGUS IGMEOY,(Wow, alot of Acronyms) It was also because before that it seemed he was lurking, then he just came out of the blue and voted me. I wouldve done the same if it was anyone else.

BM, You're saying that you dont act scummy, but everyone thinks you do? I think you gained a bad reputation, and how you got the reputation is your fault.

[YogurtBandit]

well im not the ideal judge of my own scumminess. of course, me being hard to read is only bad for me as town. as scum, i can get away with murder

Unvote

. Yogurt, the post combination of #'s 85 and 99 makes my hair stand on end. Since the only thing that BM did between those two posts was vote for you and continue his feud with TCS, can you please tell me how he became "protown" in that time frame? And why the IGMEOY for Jack?

Actually, I dont know exactly why, but after reading him ranting about acting scummy when hes protown, I sort of laid off on a vote on him.

I didnt like the way Jack said "Lets wagon" In his post where he voted me.
Yes, It was a slight OMGUS IGMEOY,(Wow, alot of Acronyms) It was also because before that it seemed he was lurking, then he just came out of the blue and voted me. I wouldve done the same if it was anyone else.

BM, You're saying that you dont act scummy, but everyone thinks you do? I think you gained a bad reputation, and how you got the reputation is your fault.

That Smiley face makes me suspicous, After the "I can get away with Murder" Comment. It just seems somewhat Arrogant..( Cant think of other Adjectives )

However, I don't feel like voting you so..

Fos: Battle Mage

[YogurtBandit]

I'd hesitate to consider out of thread things indicative of my towniness. I'm in an awful lot of games right now, probably half of them involve the issue I brought up.

Just being curious, What was the issue you brought up?

[YogurtBandit]

I did. But nobody else would, so I decided to apply pressure to someone else.

Did you hear what Glork Said? He said vote for whoever you think is scummiest.Dont worry about others. You could vote for the most Pro town acting player you've ever seen, and It wouldn't matter to others. You have an Opinon, a Voice.It didnt matter that no one lese would vote for the person you voted. It could be a nuisance, But if you really want pepole to vote The person you are after, Explain. and Not just " In activity and OMGUS-Ing", But real Proof. (Not that Inactivity and Omgusing are bad reasons, but there are better ones.)Unless of course, you're trying to get a Bandwagon Lynch on someone.

Vote: Albert

Btw, Can we get a Vote count please?

[YogurtBandit]

We are just at page 6, these are my initial impressions, that's all.

Your Inital Impressions are to join a Bandwagon??

[YogurtBandit]

Mod: Vote Count needed

[YogurtBandit]

Okay, Sorry, I didnt know they had to be 3 hours apart.

[YogurtBandit]

All the votes on the Vote Count are scattered.. I predict there will not be a lynch until page 15 and beyond..

Glork, What is an Inkling?

[YogurtBandit]

Shteven/Jack: If you could quote exactly which posts/lines you find off-base and

why

you don't like them, then perhaps I could actually respond to your inklings.

Why are you so eager to?

Jack, Why wouldn't he? He deserves an answer for your suspicion. Its not like you dont have a reason.

Eager? He just wants the info.

[YogurtBandit]

All the votes on the Vote Count are scattered.. I predict there will not be a lynch until page 15 and beyond..

Glork, What is an Inkling?

This is a scummy post.

May I ask Why?

Also,

Unvote, H.O.S: Bm, Albert(Hand of suspicon)

They keep jumping around, like they go back and forth.If I didnt know of their previous games, they would certainly still have votes, But Meta Gamingly, It just doesnt seem like the right thing to do. I gave them the Hand because again, I have played some games with them, and I've heard about their Scummy behavior.

HungryJoe, Post 168 was all quotes about Stuff against Glork, Or Pepole voting Bm.The Glork reasons were solid, The info was good yet I feel the need for more answers from that post.So, here come some questions.

I think this is the way he plays in every game, but I'm trying not to metagame this, and go with what I'm seeing in this game.

What have you seen so far?

I mean, even scum should realize they need to try and defend themselves a little.

Why? Do you think it makes Scum look bad? Maybe only Scum Would think about that...

You pick me, out of the many who are on BM, including you, when there are quite obviously better targets. In fact, I actually put up a REASON.

This I can agree with.Glork also gave a reason though. Did You ask Glork what your behavior regarding Bm was?

No more questions for me.

FNOS (fingernail-OS).

Hand of Suspicion > FingerNail of suspicion.

[YogurtBandit]

I was away for Thursday and Yesterday... 3 Pages since then O.O

I had already Unvoted Albert on Page 7, but I'll do it again to clarify it.

Unvote

If I am lynched, my claim would have been useless.

Useless in what way? Yes, I understand it could be a useless claim if you are lynched, but The My claim wouldve been useless Also could be something like "Claiming town would be useless If I am Lynched and I turn up as scum"

FOS: Albert

me still thinks BM is scum. TCS might be, I think the catch is meaningful, to an extent.

Why do you think TCS is scum?

[YogurtBandit]

I greatly disapprove of YB's logic.

Why/How do you greatly disapprove of My logic?

[YogurtBandit]

Because my wording meant what it meant, your trying to distort what I say in such a fashion that will benefit you.

But the way you worded it, I didnt Understand what you really meant. I even said, It could be because of A Regular claim.

[YogurtBandit]

and that sounds like scum who is upset someone found him scummy.

It might be, but as he said, those were just his thoughts at the time.

[YogurtBandit]

I unvoted Albert... On Page 7.

Unvote

[YogurtBandit]

I'm entirely unsure of his alignment

Hint: I am pro-town.

If that's the hint, whats the answer?

[YogurtBandit]

Also, @Hacker: Good point, they do seem to be... arguing a lot. I don't know, possible linkage via distancing. (But then again, they could be the masons.)

That is always possible. But then, Look at the Odds. One of them being Mason is a 1/20 chance. Both of them being Mason is a 1/40 chance. (Well Technically with Two players gone who were not Masons, The Chance is Now 1/18 for 1, and 1/36 for Both.) Even still, Its not far off, the way they are acting, and It could definetly be possible that they are the Masons.

[YogurtBandit]

I also find this post by shteven to be scummy.

I like to keep my notes in the game thread itself btw.

Why? It would be nice to know. If you keep your notes in the thread with us, Show us them, or show us the reasoning for your suspicions. Just accusing someone will not help your campaign. In fact, it makes it look.. not good.

Jack, you always post small posts, and do not frequently post. Then you come in and accuse pepole because

I think they are acting scummy.

Quite Frankly, Your two the three line posts do not help the town. I am not saying you are scum, But you aren't helping much. If all you can do is post small posts, then post more often! If someone were to look at this whole game and see how many posts you had in the time its been running, and how long on average each one is, It would be pretty small. Look at 243 and 245. On 243, You voted Guardian then said

Last post is quite scummy.

HOW?? Share this info with us!Guardian then posted a good reason why,

Jack, I am completely clueless as to why, but ok. I try and post almost every time I read a game thread... those were my only thoughts at the time.

Then you post a what, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 12 Word post? And you say

And that sounds like scum who is upset someone found him scummy.

Again, INFO WHY WOULD BE NICE! Im not trying to attack you, but I think your accusations are going too too far. Im not defending Guardian and Shteven,Im just trying to tell you that you need to contribute more.

Fnos(Fingernail): Jack

[YogurtBandit]

Thread's kind of moved away from this earlier point by now, but I wanted to catch up and say the main reason you never claim townie is that townies are expendable. If you have no power, you lend your aid through a vote, but if you can't convince everyone, let yourself go.

Sure, it's not optimal, but it's day 1, do you really expect to get scum every time? Maybe you're all that much better than me, but...

Another thing is that while I do know most of the basic tells, I wonder if it's correct to assume that everyone knows the finer details about the differences between claiming townie/cop/doc/vig. That said, in this particular case, it's been mentioned that albert has played many games, so I figure

this was either a goof or an intentionally bad move (as in, I'm always actting scummy, now please ignore it).

My vote will stand on albert for quite some time, unless some really awesome evidence comes along.

Claiming townie is not scummy.

Even if You're Bandwagoned?

[YogurtBandit]

Especially if your bandwagonned.

Doesnt make much sense to me...

[YogurtBandit]

Especially if your bandwagonned.

Doesnt make much sense to me...

You don't make much sense. Why would I claim if I wasn't bandwagoned ?

It just seems like its a way of escaping..

[YogurtBandit]

Especially if your bandwagonned.

Doesnt make much sense to me...

You don't make much sense. Why would I claim if I wasn't bandwagoned ?

It just seems like its a way of escaping..

A way that's not scummy.

Ok. I just find it weird that by claiming town it helps..

[YogurtBandit]

Especially if your bandwagonned.

Doesnt make much sense to me...

You don't make much sense. Why would I claim if I wasn't bandwagoned ?

It just seems like its a way of escaping..

A way that's not scummy.

Ok. I just find it weird that by claiming town it helps..

I didn't say it helped, I said it wasn't scummy.

Ok.I didnt know.

[YogurtBandit]

Damnit do we have to quote the whole thing ? Bad habits die hard.

Meh. It was getting big too

[YogurtBandit]

That's a weird conversation.

You didnt respond to my post about you

[YogurtBandit]

That's a weird conversation.

You didnt respond to my post about you

I am a walrus

This is not the time to be immature, Innocent pepole are being killed. Respond. Its not like you cant respond to it.

[YogurtBandit]

But really, like I said before, I like to make ingame notes. It's more open than private notes so why do you mind? You can just ignore them.

First, you only barely mentioned this.

Second, You just dont go around Lurking for a day, then posting a "I think that last post was suspicous." Especially, when you dont say why. If you're going to accuse pepole of doing somehting, tell them what they did wrong, and why they received your suspicion. If you dont tell us, how can we agree with you/Disagree with you? Just tell us, its not a problem. If you think someone is going to suspect you because you contribute to the town, stop thinking that. We want to know everything. It looks more suspicous if you barely contribute good content. Also, dont kid around. As I afore mentioned, Innocent pepole are dying. This not the time for pepole to laugh, Which means you need to stop cracking jokes at everyone. I dont mean for you to be extremely serious, you can be somewhat lightheartyed yes, but dont goof off. So until you start making good and or strong posts, and stop goofing off,

Vote: Jack

[YogurtBandit]

But really, like I said before, I like to make ingame notes. It's more open than private notes so why do you mind? You can just ignore them.

First, you only barely mentioned this.

Second, You just dont go around Lurking for a day, then posting a "I think that last post was suspicous." Especially, when you dont say why. If you're going to accuse pepole of doing somehting, tell them what they did wrong, and why they received your suspicion. If you dont tell us, how can we agree with you/Disagree with you? Just tell us, its not a problem. If you think someone is going to suspect you because you contribute to the town, stop thinking that. We want to know everything. It looks more suspicous if you barely contribute good content. Also, dont kid around. As I afore mentioned, Innocent pepole are dying. This not the time for pepole to laugh, Which means you need to stop cracking jokes at everyone. I dont mean for you to be extremely serious, you can be somewhat lightheartyed yes, but dont goof off. So until you start making good and or strong posts, and stop goofing off,

Vote: Jack

Uh, no. Innocent people are not dying. This is what we call a g-a-m-e. I'll say whatever I want. What is the purpose of persuing me? I told you if I had something to say I would say it. You can't really explain gut feelings. You're just wasting space.

Well, treat it as if it was real. If it was real, and you were a townsperson, and all of the sudden someone turns up dead, and there is talk of Mafia afoot, you're telling me you wouldnt be completely paranoid that the Mafia could kill you? There is no time for jokes. The 6th sentence bothers me. Im guessing you have nothing to say... Why?The last one gets on my nerves too, because I've told you twice what you've been doing and after answering some of it, you say Im wasting space. I dont nesscearily get that, because, You posting 1-2 line posts twice a day could also be considered wasting space, especially when the post has no meaning.

I do appreciate you finally answering my two posts about you though. ( Answering them in a way that makes sense any ways , in stead of a completely random and utterly confusing I am A Walrus post.)

[YogurtBandit]

I'm entirely unsure of his alignment

Hint: I am pro-town.

If that's the hint, whats the answer?

No, this is like Jeopardy. I give him the answer, and he asks the question.

Ah. So the Question is "What would Glork say if you asked him his alignement?".

This is NOT a roleplaying game. I'm not barred from talking about the internet, or linking to a sailor moon picture (Maybe I'll claim sailor venus for no good reason), or telling you I had a chicken parm sub for lunch today. Joking around is a valid play. It may not be a smart play, but Jack can do it if he wants. Yes, it bothers me a bit as well, but in the end, not too much. It's similiar to albert's always scummy play, maybe you don't like it, but it's fair.

First, How was the Chicken Parm Sub?

Second, I kind of see your point there. I just dont like randomness. It throws everyone off guard, and then everyone is like "WTH, why in the world did you say that" I still consider it a roleplay. Because, we have ROLES. I mean seriously.


(Side Note: Yes, I did joke a couple of times in this post, however, I said you could be Lighthearted, So I am not contradicting myself)

[YogurtBandit]

EBWOP: On the side note, on the end there is also supposed to be a "For any one who wanted to try and attack me for that".

Also, Shteven, Tell me why you have a Vote on Albert.

[YogurtBandit]

Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive so far in this game. I've been really busy at work - for those of you who are thinking about it, grad school really sucks and I wish it on none of you. I will get a reread in and post hopefully by Wednesday, I have a presentation tomorrow I have been working on and just no time to give the game the attention it deserves until then.

Billy posted?

Vote Count Please?

[YogurtBandit]

i didnt like Guardians last post. i havent checked this game in quite a while, and i can barely remember why i was voting for YB, so Guardian will suffice as the play for today.
Unvote, Vote: Guardian
i wonder if Guardian + scumbuddies will try and quick lynch albert in light of this

unvote: BM vote: Shteven

BM is probably just being unreadable scummy town anyways... I think there is still a chance he is scum but...

I did a reread of Shteven's posts alone... Many times he had a not very townlike attitude. As TCS suggested, I am taking it to the bank.

What didn't you like about that post BM?

Also, I found the last sentence sort of peculiar. I cant really tell why though, I guess you're just saying that since you voted Guardian that Scum (Which includes Guardian according to you) Would attempt a Quicl Lynch of Albert. This is considering everyone currently voting for Albert is not Scum, and that all 4(5) Scum would vote off Albert. It could be possible, but Since you said that I dont think they will.

[YogurtBandit]

Welcome AutumnEvevnings!

I liked Guardian's post, Especially the last sentence. It is as if BM wants to seems scummy.

[YogurtBandit]

Welcome Y2!

(Referring to 316)

I did find the I can get away with murder comment from Bm peculiar.. as did everyone.. but Most pepole had already voted him.

Your other post, Makes good sense. We shouldnt ignore BM, We must be careful, because yes, he could be scum. but like TCS, right now he hasnt been too too suspicous, He was a little more suspicous at the start, but hes kind of calmed down. He has kind of had a Wishy Washy play style this game..

[YogurtBandit]

In YOS joining, I advise people to read the few posts that I and YB had right before he joined. I don't want them to get swallowed in all the noise.

Fascinating. It's D1, Guardian, we all hardly know each other, and you

really

want us to notice that YB approves of you:

I liked Guardian's post, Especially the last sentence.

Written YB off as possible scum, Guardian? Or is it more that BM looks like a weak sheep and you're putting us back on the scent?

That wasnt all I said in that post, you just quoted the part where you can use it to accuse me...

[YogurtBandit]

I think this bandwagon could use another member.

unvote, vote: guardian

Why'd you suddenly join the bandwagon?

Also, Welcome inHimshallIbe!

[YogurtBandit]

I think ~N9V~ is lurking, I've seen him online ands he's posting in other threads... So we can either replace, Let him lurk, or the more agressive option, Pressure him into posting.

[YogurtBandit]

I think ~N9V~ is lurking, I've seen him online ands he's posting in other threads... So we can either replace, Let him lurk, or the more agressive option, Pressure him into posting.

You really don't like the fact that the Guardian wagon is heating up do you?

unvote: Albert
Vote: Guardian

What? I just pointed out that N9V was lurking. Ididnt say Vote N9V instead of Guardian.

[YogurtBandit]

Why did Jack suddenly bite and voted N9V ?

He couldve been following me...(I never did vote, but I did suggest it)

[YogurtBandit]

Prod:N9V

[YogurtBandit]

I don't know, call me crazy, but YB and I have been in three games together recently, and based on his performance in the others I am getting a very town read on him. I think that is also happening for him vis a vis me.

I like how when I unvoted BM and voted N9V because I saw what he was doing days ago, BM gets away with being suspicious of me for it, yet when everyone else points out that N9V looks like a good play, it suddenly is.

TCS, it isn't me being OMGUSy, it is BM not making any sense at all. I unvote him, acknowledge that he may not be scum, do independent analysis and look for more scum targets.... And then he finds me as scum for it. I would be equally frustrated if he did this to any other player in my situation.

I would join the N9V wagon, but I would probably be found scummy for that, too .

I am going out for errands now, more content later.

Well, Not In Open 19, im dead Scum in that game

N9V could be a good play, but we should prod him first. He is definetly lurking, but if we prod him, he mightr respond. If he just plain forgot about the game(Which is highly unlikely) Then he needs a replacement. Pressure voting is okay, but we cant lynch him for lurking just yet. If he's town, Then its a waste of lynch and theres the night stage where up to 3 Deaths may occur(Assuming the vig chooses to kill) I dont think he is worth a lynch at the moment.

[YogurtBandit]

I was scum with ~N9V~ once. Don't want to let him lurk.

What happened?

[YogurtBandit]

YB, I don't want to talk about an ongoing game but I feel you misrepresented me... I feel I have a read on you; did I not pick you at as scum in that game? You aren't acting the same here, and I think you are acting town.

Yos, I feel like you and others are straw-manning me here... I am annoyed with him for voting me for scum hunting. Like I said, if he did this to any other player who did the same things I did, I would be equally frustrated with him.

I did some WIFOM That game. But yes, I dont feel talking about the game is right as well.

I agree that others are attacking you for something that is just your personal suspicons. BM voting you because you thought he was town is very peculiar. Its almost as if he's somewhat claiming scum in some way. As in, "If you think im town you are wrong" But I dont think its nothing to worry about.

The thing I do find scummy is the pepole attacking Guardian for this. WHY? You're attacking because he found it odd that BM voted him after he said BM was town. Thats no reason to attack. *Points at Y2* Why the FOS? because you think He expected BM to trust him? This isnt a game of trust for anyone.And come on, why would you expect someone to trust you if you said they are town?Please tell me the logic behind that.I would be annoyed too if someone votes me because Ithought someone was town. I mean, maybe its suspect because he actually posted it, but I dont think it warrants a fos.

[YogurtBandit]

Another quick post--Gaurdian, what the hell was going on with 176 ("YB is noob town"), followed by your hard-to-follow (and basically useless) PBPA in 178 (you listed YB as "scum??" several times and then said "I think YB has been pretty town of the four I was suspicious of on page 6"), and wrapped up with 181 ("Albert indeed looks like an ok play, as does YB.").

Could you please clarify to me what you were thinking of Yogurt Bandit at the time of these posts?

I would also like to know, because after 181, somehwere on the last few pages(It might have been the last page, Im not sure) He then said that he tought I was town, and he expected that I thought he was town too.

[YogurtBandit]

Just checking in so that you know I'm not completely gone. I think the Guardian wagon deserves more votes at the moment.

If you think it deserves more votes, Why didnt you vote for it?

Also, Glork, I think at first the Albert Wagon was significant, but then, the way he reacted to himself being bandwagoned gave him more votes. Because if it was completlty baseless, Albert would probably not have as much votes as before.

[YogurtBandit]

Just checking in so that you know I'm not completely gone. I think the Guardian wagon deserves more votes at the moment.

If you think it deserves more votes, Why didnt you vote for it?

Also, Glork, I think at first the Albert Wagon was significant, but then, the way he reacted to himself being bandwagoned gave him more votes. Because if it was completlty baseless, Albert would probably not have as much votes as before.

See post 346.

Ah right. O.O Never mind then.

[YogurtBandit]

Nope, no particular reason.

You're Bandwagoning Guardian and Telling pepole to vote him when you dont have a good reason?

Unvote, Vote: TCS

[YogurtBandit]

I perfer Hands of Suspicons (

HoS

) over Very very large Fos'es.

[YogurtBandit]

Okay, im doing a post by Post Analysis of Random pepoles. First, Who I have my vote on, TCS.( I am bolding things that I find most im portant)

Responding to this by Albert

TCS is good at talking, but his strategy as pro-town is only average, based on the only game I've played with him.

Only average!

I'll show you average:

vote:Albert

Post 50, I didnt exactly understand entirely why Albert insulting him warranted the vote, It could have been a Bandwagon cover up, but It was his first post, so im not that worried about it.

Sigh. Battle Mage, please stop distracting the town from lynching the ACTUAL scum. This is the primary problem with your playstyle. Trying to be unreadable is all fine and good, but acting like bad scum in every game gets tiresome, and is about the most unhelpful thing a townie can be.

Now, can we please cut the crap and lynch Albert? He's clearly the best lynch, unless we want to start metagaming BM by lynching him every day one... which is actually kind of appealing, now that I think of it...

And that's exactly the sort of distraction I'm talking about.

Can we get on, now?

Post 76 This one is a little more intresting. The first paragraph is townie to me. However, the next line is confusing. Again, TCS has done this alot,

joining a Bandwagon, then insisting others vote for it.

He wants a quick lynch, possibly to go back into the night stage. This is supcious.. Then when talking about Metagame lynching Bm, He says it it is "Kind of appealing" after thinking it over. This is also suspect, because at first, he wants to Speedlynch Albert, but then he says, Bm would be okay too. Its almost as if he is saying

"I dont really care who we lynch, as long as we dont lynch me"

Think about it. Its kind of Wishy Washy. But again, only 2nd post. Then he goes back and says its all a distraction. It seems fishy.

lol why the hell would SK-BM be telling the town who to kill AFTER HE IS DEAD.
That makes no sense. also, i never get to be an SK

God that is such a scum tell. :\

(82)Never said why, but It seems pro town.

unvote, vote:Battle Mage

Might as well get it over with today.

(83)Might as well? Thats kind of weird. Again, in 5 POSTS, two votes. Wishy Washy..
(Yes, I did vote for Bm the post after this)

Whinging about never getting a certain power role is typically a sign that you have a power role, usually anti-town.

Maybe I just want you gone. :\

(89)
The first is good, but the second, Im not sure if its Sarcasm or not.

But see, when you pull out arguments like, "I act scummy when I'm town," you're implying that you're town in this game. I just can't stomach that play, even if it's you. Either you're going to have to learn to not make that terrible argument, or I'm going to keep voting for you. It's that simple.

(Regarding Bm) This is a good post, Not much else to say about it.

This is a funny thing to say, but I get nervous when someone claims to get a pro-town read on me. So few people do, it's almost like they have knowledge of my alignment.

123, This is kind of funny. Its fishy in some way. The So few pepole do is just way out there... I think its just a Gut feeling though.

Albert, I know you're "on my side," but I'm not feeling comfortable with you at all at the moment.

Vote: Albert

This vote is probably temporary.

3rd Vote, I didnt realing understand the Not feeling comfortable bit, and then This Vote is temporary, Shows signs of Wishy washiness.

Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Never, ever, ever say a vote is temporary.


So I've heard. Meh.

He treats it like nothing. I also find that Fishy.

Thing is, people don't usually go out of their way to say I'm town. I'm a pretty consistent suspect in these games. For one, it's nice that someone believes me. However, that 'sucking up,' in a sense, combined with some of his other play, merits notice.

Cant think of anything to comment on that, Just looks Diffrent.

It's better to get lynched than claim vanilla. FYI.

Hmmmmmm.

FOS: Shteven, FOS: Jack

One of these two is scum... take it to the bank.

That post cringes my stomach. Not the Fos'es, but the Take it to bank. Its like, a pet peeve. its just getting under my skin when I read it. Its like the Godfather saying "Kill so and so". Also, One of these two is scum? the chances that one of them is scum is 5/18 (2/9 W/O Sk) I dont think its something you can actually say Either A or B is scum. I mean, if you took half of the players, it would be a good chance (4/9 that at least one is scum. But you could take any 9 players, and the chances would be the same.

I think this bandwagon could use another member.

unvote, vote: guardian

Jumping

ANOTHER

bandwagon? Very little is said, and no reasoning. 4th Vote of the game, and All 4 have been without much reasoning. Please tell us why you are voting. I mean, if you look, 4 votes, all Bandwagons. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. He has yet to respond to my question on why.

Just checking in so that you know I'm not completely gone. I think the Guardian wagon deserves more votes at the moment.

PUSHING FOR A LYNCH! He did this in his second post! Twice he has pushed for a Bandwagon lynch! That is very scummy. I cant fathom what he did with that post. "Oh just stopping by. By the way, Vote Guardian!"

That was his last post.

Wishy Washy Voting, Pushing for Bandwagons... Hmm. 4 diffrent votes. He did have a couple of Townie posts though. I say he's scum though.

[YogurtBandit]

AE- I am new to the site, But I have played Mafia before and when I joined the site I was familiar with Some stuff. Yeah, I am playing in alot of games, But I guess I just like the game so much that I dont want to be limited to 1 About Bm, At first I though it was werid in that 1 post, but I said I didnt feel it warranted a vote, and fosed him, then later Gave him a vote after him giving a scumtell. The Unvote I really cant remember why he seemed more Protwon, but he did say that(and others did too) That was his personality so I just laid off on it.(This is my first game with Bm,I am in others with him, but this was the first)

[YogurtBandit]

Vote:YogurtBandit

I really don't see what the hell you are getting at with your pbpa and I think it's an attempt to appear like a helpful townie while dumping suspicion on someone.

Well, I'd love to see you make a Pbpa. I commented on the good, the bad, and the scummy. If you dont like it, Ignore it( Thanks for tht last sentence, I got that from when you replied to my attack on you.)

[YogurtBandit]

New Pbpa, This time on MBL( No specific reason, just picking randomly)

sv is an odd kill choice.

ps. Hi

This is the post that generated some suspicion. I don’t really see why it could be suspect, all thought it could be like scum speculating on the Nk, I don’t think its that important.

Guardian wrote:
Willing to join a Glork wagon ^_^.
If you're wrong Glork, you're public enemy #1

Glork is innocuously wrong, but clearly this is worse.

unvote, vote: Guardian

Vote on a joke.

Glork's hyper-protection of Guardian noted.

Guardian, my vote on you would be OMGUS if there wasn't a solid reason behind it. Solid, at least, for page 2.

Hmmmm

Mbl then lurked for 4 pages.

YogurtBandit wrote:
All the votes on the Vote Count are scattered.. I predict there will not be a lynch until page 15 and beyond..

Glork, What is an Inkling?

This is a scummy post.

I asked why, But I could not find an answer from MBL.

Albert and Guardian appear to be scum. I'm satisfied with finding two today.

sv was an odd kill because when she's town the town loses and when she's scum the town loses. Extrapolate from that as you will.

<3 Jack. Whether you're wagoning scumbuddies or playing well, I'm buying it so far.

First sentence is kind of odd. The Sv thing is Im guessing MetaGamed, but still Peculiar nonetheless. The last one seems like a note to Jack. They could be Masons...

BillyTwilight wrote:
MBL, what is it exactly about Guardian that you don't like? His original joking around with Glork?

Do you really not find anything suspicious about the totality of Guardian's posts? I'd like to hear your analysis before I elaborate.

Glork brings up essentially the same point I did, that sv isn't necessarily a logical kill, and then reasons that someone without a ton of sv knowledge aka Albert might have committed the kill. I don't have a problem with it. I presently think he was just making early-game hay when he chided me for doing the same thing.

BT parrotted two players in that post. Sketchy.

Hmmmmm.

Glork, I rarely interpret those slips as 100% indicative of alignment. But in the absence of anything else to go on, they're something, often they can tilt the scales between two players who both look scummy to me, and there's a lot to be learned from people's reactions to the observation. I don't think in black and white by any means, but that doesn't mean I won't push these things aggressively.

I'll think about if/when I've caught scum making slips in any games not still running. And I'm not trying to distract from anything--it's actually time for a reread to see who's not participating.

Hmmmm.


Well, I dont think MBL is scum at all. I dont think there are any signs of it.

[YogurtBandit]

I'm sorry that you hate certainty in Mafia, but you know that it's pretty much how I roll.

I know. I don't hate your "certainty", it's just that I find myself having to maintain a

Glorksaurus

in my head so when you use one word I know it actually means something different.

[YogurtBandit]

[quote="AutumnEvenings"]Thanks Yogurt--knowing that you're not new makes me much more critical of you. Why are you picking "random" people for PBPA's? (Why are you doing those at all?) I'd like to know your top 2-3 suspects please.
quote]
You're welcome. Why am I picking random pepole from pbpa's? Well, Because I can. I dont see a problem of randomly doing it. I knew it needed a re-read of the thread, so I figured, why not start pbpa'ing? Besides, its not like its a crime. I pbpa'ed TCS because I have a vote on him so i could explain my vote. MBL was randomly chosen. My top 3? TCS, number 1, if you read my Pbpa. Its a lot of scattered names for 2 and 3, Like Shteven, Bm, Albert ETC. But, Right now, my vote is on TCS.

[YogurtBandit]

Thanks Yogurt--knowing that you're not new makes me much more critical of you. Why are you picking "random" people for PBPA's? (Why are you doing those at all?) I'd like to know your top 2-3 suspects please.

You're welcome. Why am I picking random pepole from pbpa's? Well, Because I can. I dont see a problem of randomly doing it. I knew it needed a re-read of the thread, so I figured, why not start pbpa'ing? Besides, its not like its a crime. I pbpa'ed TCS because I have a vote on him so i could explain my vote. MBL was randomly chosen. My top 3? TCS, number 1, if you read my Pbpa. Its a lot of scattered names for 2 and 3, Like Shteven, Bm, Albert ETC. But, Right now, my vote is on TCS.

ebwop.

[YogurtBandit]

Hee you're so right and yet so wrong... is that a scumtell?

Yougrt is confused

[YogurtBandit]

I think TCS is just being deliberately scummy, it seems like something he'd do. Doesn't mean he isn't actually scum.

AE seems a little insincere compared with last game. Like she's trying to copy her style but isn't quite succesful. Will wait and see on this one.

You're welcome. Why am I picking random pepole from pbpa's? Well, Because I can. I dont see a problem of randomly doing it. I knew it needed a re-read of the thread, so I figured, why not start pbpa'ing? Besides, its not like its a crime.

I pbpa'ed TCS because I have a vote on him so i could explain my vote

. MBL was randomly chosen. My top 3? TCS, number 1, if you read my Pbpa. Its a lot of scattered names for 2 and 3, Like Shteven, Bm, Albert ETC. But, Right now, my vote is on TCS.

So your reread and pbpa had no chance of changing your mind on TCS, you had already decided you were going to vote him?

Scum like to do things "for no particular reason, just randomly" because then they don't have to provide any justification.

No, more because I had voted TCS ofr jumping on Guardians Bandwagon then telling pepole to vote forGuardian. I then pbpa'ed him to further explain my vote and show more evidence.

[YogurtBandit]

The thing is Yogurt, pbpa's are what you use when you want to convince other people that someone is scum (I was thinking it was odd that you would do a pbpa on someone you already were voting but it isn't really). But you should only try and convince people that someone is scum if

you

are convinced that they are scum, and I can't see how you can be convinced that TCS is scum. I also think your pbpa's don't have real substance and are intended to distract the town and make you look protown.

Thats what I said. I did a pbpa on TCS to show why I thought he was scum and to show others of his scummy posts. Mbl I did because while it apppeared his posts were scummy, they really were not if you dug deeper into what MBL was trying to say, it was really town. I am convinced TCS is scum, and I did a pbpa to show others my arguement on wether or not TCS is scum or not. I did find it weird that TCS was considered very Protown in the first 8 Pages, then to me he got really scummy. Anyways, I was convinced he was scum because he voted guardian, then stopped to chaeck in and said "oh vote Guardian while you are at it".

[YogurtBandit]

Jack is correct, I often act scummy on purpose.

Why? you're supposed to help the town, not get yourself lynched. Even if you join bandwagons and tell pepole to join them just because, Thats on purpose? That causes me to do this.

Confirm Vote: TCS

[YogurtBandit]

EBWOP: Also, As HackerHuck said, you have voted two diffrent pepole 3 times for acting scummy on purpose. Youeven said you could not stoma ch that play. Well, then good luck stomaching your own play, you naughty Hypocrite.

[YogurtBandit]

I think TCS is just being deliberately scummy, it seems like something he'd do. Doesn't mean he isn't actually scum.

Jack is correct, I often act scummy on purpose.

OK, so

first

, you propose a metagame lynch on BattleMage because you are incredibly frustrated about how he acts unreadable, and

second

, you say that,

just like BattleMage

, you act deliberately scummy so that people can't get a read on you. This is more than a little scummy hypocrisy.

HOS: TCS

.

I still get a town vibe from YB. I always get a town vibe from him though. Unless he replaces obvscum. Yeah. .

Jack and Tcs could have staged those two posts too...

[YogurtBandit]

Last time I saw TCS do that it was as scum in the Clue mafia games. But it also seems like something he'd do as town and I also find the people attacking him to be far scummier.

Guardian, what do you think about YB's backtracking?

yeah, but Metagaming is'nt the best thing to go by. You find us scummy that we have evidence against TCS and are attacking him for it? I could say you are scummy for voting me, but that wouldnt be true. Perhaps you are trying to defend TCS for some reason. Because I dont see what is wrong with attacking evidence.

[YogurtBandit]

Jack, I will respond to this quickly, though I don't want to at this point do a re-read of the posts.

From what you've quoted, he apparently did backtrack. He said he was going to do it randomly, then selected TCS first for specific reasons.

Two points though (wow, I realize I always make two points. Never three. Never one. Always two points. ):
1)Is backtracking a scumtell? It would appear that is would be, I'm guessing.

2)I am kind of inclined to believe that his is a problem of diction and not a problem of necessarily being scum. A few years ago, I used to say I would pick something randomly, and then pick whatever I had the best reason to pick. "I will pick out some random movie and we can watch it." This does not mean that I am going to in fact, role a die, and pick a random movie. This means that I am going to pick a movie among those available, using whatever criteria I want to use, and then we shall watch that movie.

That being said, he then tried to defend that he was doing MBL's randomly. That goes against what I thought he meant when he did a "random" pbpa of TCS.

So, Jack, I think the backtracking is indeed scummy. Despite my "feeling" about YB, that is a point against him in my book.

I want YB to fully explain his actions here.

Well, the movie thing is basically what I did there.I just went down the list, and chose a name, and that name was MBL. Hoever, Idont find Pbpa's scummy. If this backtracking is diffrent than just my pbpa, tell me, but my Pbpa is not scummy in any way.Guardian, bac on page 9 I belive, you posted a pbpa,. I mean, me talking about TCS and the reason why I had voted me is a complete legit post. I cant find a sprinkle of scum in it. Yeah, I might have said Im doing it on random pepole, but as I brought up before, Its like the movie thing. I pick, I dont choose a number 1-18 and pbpa which ever number I choose, I just look at the list and say " Oh, maybe I should do a pbpa on Him/her" and then start writing about them. Jack, If you could explain what makes it soo scummy, that would be really nice, because quite frankly, I do not.

[YogurtBandit]

I just look at the list and say " Oh, maybe I should do a pbpa on Him/her" and then start writing about them.

Jack, If you could explain what makes it soo scummy, that would be really nice, because quite frankly, I do not.

You said it was random, and then you said it was for a specific reason, and now you are saying it was random again. You are changing your story under scrutiny.

The bold explains it all. Its random, yet the way I chose it happened to be TCS, then I noted that he was who I had voted. So techninially, It is randomly chosen, even if Ididnt pick a numbe rout of a hat.

[YogurtBandit]

The point of acting scummy as townie is to make your next games as mafia easier. TCS got lynched as scum twice with this behavior, I think it's possible he is trying to set a precedent, so I don't regard his behavior as indicating anything about his alignment.

So basically you think Tcs is scum, even though he got lynched like this and its supposed to make this easier?

[YogurtBandit]

I'm calling Guardian as SK. Anyone else feeling this?

[sarcasm]Loving the sudden jump on Guardian for no reason [/sarcasm]

[YogurtBandit]

YB, to be honest, my logic was hypocritical and scummy as hell. :[. I need to take a step back from this game, I will think and post later tonight.

[YogurtBandit]

And now he's given up. Speedlynch plz kthx

Ugh, I cant take that whole speedlynch plz thing... Its just peculiar. Not because Its guardian... Tcs, You keep asking for votes on others... Its just, Peculiar....

[YogurtBandit]

So are you Mafia or SK? Feel like claiming Vig?

Confirm Vote: TCS

You just keep acting like Scum. Its starting to get very aggravating because you've been acting town for the most part for most of the game, but the last 3-4 pages you've gotten worse. Check bout my pbpa of TCS for more details..

[YogurtBandit]

Not really.

[YogurtBandit]

Not really.

I posted too quick. I think Snitchkin (whatever his name is) is scummiest, but between Guardian and TCS, I trust TCS more. Guardian doesn't appeal to me as a day1 lynch, but I still want a claim to see what happens.

Rofl, I'd love for Snitchkin to come so we can give him his new name

[YogurtBandit]

I will. You won't.

*Grabs Popcorn* This is a good arguement.

[YogurtBandit]

I should also point out that I have made D1 policy lynches on terrible players before. In Normal 51, I pushed (and got) a policy lynch on a player who insisted on making two-word posts and not contributing. Though he turned out to be pro-town, we won the game eventually anyway. Even if you are pro-town, Albert, I will have

zero

qualms about lynching you. The way I see it, regardless of your alignment, your presence is a detriment to the town. If you're scum, all the better. If not, I'll get over it rather quickly and move on with the game.



...that's not to say that Shteven is not off the hot seat, though. I'm still waiting to hear from him.

*Is new*

Policy Lynches are

[YogurtBandit]

I should also point out that I have made D1 policy lynches on terrible players before. In Normal 51, I pushed (and got) a policy lynch on a player who insisted on making two-word posts and not contributing. Though he turned out to be pro-town, we won the game eventually anyway. Even if you are pro-town, Albert, I will have

zero

qualms about lynching you. The way I see it, regardless of your alignment, your presence is a detriment to the town. If you're scum, all the better. If not, I'll get over it rather quickly and move on with the game.



...that's not to say that Shteven is not off the hot seat, though. I'm still waiting to hear from him.

*Is new*

Policy Lynches are ?:?:

Ebwop: I mant to ask a question, not to say they are questionable.

[YogurtBandit]

Argh, double-post.

Uh, What? *did not see second post*

[YogurtBandit]

Jack: As I pointed out in my re-read, after YB was connected to Guardian by other players, Guardian made a very clear and distinct defense of YB in stating that he found YB to be pro-town. Do you think that Guardian would knowingly and intentionally do this at that point in time if both of them were scum?

They don't have to be scum together.

I haven't reread, but I don't see why he couldn't do it as scum. Rather wifom.

Which one of us?

[YogurtBandit]

I don't like how Yogurt and Guardian reacted to my posting. Based upon those reactions I would say Guardian and Yogurt are more probably anti-town. Anyone could have told you that I was deliberately not giving my reasons for the lynch. Reacting as they did is significant.

WHAT?

Are you kidding me? Even if the guardian one was scummy, you had done it before. Oh yeah. You did with Albert. You said that Alberts bandwagon needed more voters. Wether or not you are delberilty scummy or not, and im sorry for taking a line from you, but

I CANT STOMACH THAT PLAY!

That is the phrase that has made you a complete hypocrite because you said the

Exact

same thing to Bm about his play. I cant belive you are saying we are scum because we voted you. Looks more like Wifom. But seriously. You are going off the edge, and you are driving me off the edge. You are playing like a dirty little scum hypocrite that suspects pepole that vote him. Its just not the play that any of the town needs, as we need to find scum.

But you continue to act like scum then say oh just joking, I want to make so and so look very suspicous for suspect me as scum"

We need to find scum, not jokers. I mean, if there was a jester in this game, I would be 100% you would be the jester. Your On and off play sickens me and then blaming pepole for noticing it is even worse.

Confirm Vote: TCS, The Central Scrutinizer.

[/b]

[YogurtBandit]

I don't like how Yogurt and Guardian reacted to my posting. Based upon those reactions I would say Guardian and Yogurt are more probably anti-town. Anyone could have told you that I was deliberately not giving my reasons for the lynch. Reacting as they did is significant.

WHAT?

Are you kidding me? Even if the guardian one was scummy, you had done it before. Oh yeah. You did with Albert. You said that Alberts bandwagon needed more voters. Wether or not you are delberilty scummy or not, and im sorry for taking a line from you, but

I CANT STOMACH THAT PLAY!

That is the phrase that has made you a complete hypocrite because you said the

Exact

same thing to Bm about his play. I cant belive you are saying we are scum because we voted you. Looks more like Wifom. But seriously. You are going off the edge, and you are driving me off the edge. You are playing like a dirty little scum hypocrite that suspects pepole that vote him. Its just not the play that any of the town needs, as we need to find scum.

But you continue to act like scum then say oh just joking, I want to make so and so look very suspicous for suspect me as scum"

We need to find scum, not jokers. I mean, if there was a jester in this game, I would be 100% you would be the jester. Your On and off play sickens me and then blaming pepole for noticing it is even worse.

Confirm Vote: TCS, The Central Scrutinizer.

[/b]

Hold your horses. Let's get academic. Is it automatically scummy to

not

reveal your reasons for voting someone?

No, but you've encouraged pepole multiple times to put more votes on "X's" Bandwagon, Which I find is looking for a quick and easy lynch, so you can get back to night and kill off whomever you please.

[YogurtBandit]

I don't think HackerHuck is posting enough. johhan needs to post more. BT had an excuse, said he would post wednesday, hasn't. ~n9v~ def lurking, I might remember him lurking as town, he needs to post more.

I think N9V is being replaced as we speak.

[YogurtBandit]

*sigh* Can I FoS people twice? The whole "I wanted to see the reactions" bit is getting very old. Plus you rarely find anything useful anyway, and you've wasted your own political capital (or "trust capital") so it makes the argument harder to swallow. Plus scum say this all the damn time. (*points to her recently finished newbie, and Jack :p*)

Well, I've Confirm voted him like 3 Times, so I guess you can.

I agree that his strategy is... Flaky to say the leas.

[YogurtBandit]

*sigh* Can I FoS people twice? The whole "I wanted to see the reactions" bit is getting very old. Plus you rarely find anything useful anyway, and you've wasted your own political capital (or "trust capital") so it makes the argument harder to swallow. Plus scum say this all the damn time. (*points to her recently finished newbie, and Jack :p*)

Well, I've Confirm voted him like 3 Times, so I guess you can.

I agree that his strategy is... Flaky to say the leas.[/quote]

EBWOP

[YogurtBandit]

I got:
4 on Guardian (BM, TCS, Hacker, Albert)
3 on Albert (N9V, Shteven, Autumn)
3 on TCS: Yogurt, InHim, Guardian
1 on Yogurt (BeanBagBpy)
1 on NV9 (MrBuddyLee)
1 on BattleMage (Johhan)
1 on Glork (Yos)

and I guess that means 4 people aren't voting, which would be....Jack, Billy, and...umm...HungryJoe and...well, beats the hell out of me. :p

Now its

3 on Guardian (BM, Hacker, Albert)
4 on Albert (N9V, Shteven, Autumn, Y2)
3 on TCS: Yogurt, InHim, Guardian
1 on Yogurt (BeanBagBpy)
1 on NV9 (MrBuddyLee)
1 on BattleMage (Johhan)

[YogurtBandit]

Oh and BTW, Beats the Hell out of me is Glork. =O

[YogurtBandit]

3 on Guardian (BM, Hacker, Albert)
4 on Albert (N9V, Shteven, Autumn, Y2)
3 on TCS: Yogurt, InHim, Guardian
1 on Yogurt (BeanBagBpy)
1 on NV9 (MrBuddyLee)
1 on BattleMage (Johhan)

Glork, arent you voting Shteven? Or did you unvote?

Also, Johhan and MBL, why do you have your votes om who you have your votes on?

[YogurtBandit]

haha, this thread is on fire. I've never seen people get beaten on posts before on mafiascum, marathon day excepted.

I think we've posted like 4 Pages alone today.

[YogurtBandit]

haha, this thread is on fire. I've never seen people get beaten on posts before on mafiascum, marathon day excepted.

I think we've posted like 4 Pages alone today.

Ebwop: Not me and you, but all of us togheter.

AE- Did you put that on purpose or did you really not know?

[YogurtBandit]

Well, from Albert's perspective, the answer would be that if he's town he should say his own thoughts so that we can figure out he's town; if he's scum, he might avoid posting his own thoughts so we can't figure out he's scum and so he can avoid giving hints about his scum partners.

ANd yeah, I could see a possible Albert-Glork connection here. Then again, I could see connections between any of my top 3-4 suspects and I'm sure they're not all scum together.

Who are your top 3-4 suspects?

[YogurtBandit]

Huh. Could you explain those links Yos? My interest has been piqued.

Piqued? Glork confuses me. Second time I've had to ask a question, So i've come to this discovery.

Glorks Mind > Yogurts Mind



AE- The beats the crap out of me thing on your vote count.

[YogurtBandit]

3 on Guardian (BM, Hacker, Albert)
5 on Albert (N9V, Shteven, Autumn, Y2, Guardian)
2 on TCS: Yogurt, InHim,
1 on Yogurt (BeanBagBoy)
1 on NV9 (MrBuddyLee)
1 on BattleMage (Johhan)
1 on Shteven (Glork)

No vote: TCS( I think ) Billy Jack HJ

[YogurtBandit]

Perhaps because he was trying to give him incentive to post, as opposed to incentive to lurk and/or not contribute?

That's the point, though; if Albert is scum, he might want to lurker so as to not give himself away, but if he's town that argument dosn't make sense.

Well yes, but you don't say to scum "you should do X so we can catch you." You try to make them do X in other ways.

heh...I tend to go with the more direct method, namely "Do X so we can figure out if you're scum, or else if you don't do X I'll just assume you're scum and lynch you anyway because X is a pro-town thing to do."

So if They DO x They're scum, but if they dont they get Lynched because its really protown?

[YogurtBandit]

I usually use a rule when it come to lurkers. If they have a decent amount of posts (In this game, probably 20) They really are lurkers and thats where NAL comes in. However, if less, they should be prodded, then replaced as needed.

[YogurtBandit]

Jesus Christ. (sorry!)

That's 6 pages in a half a day? Vote count upcoming.

I think we had one by AE a couple pages back if you want to go by that.

[YogurtBandit]

Edit by Way of post.

[YogurtBandit]

Boy, you guys are trying to get your post counts up, aren't you

=o

[YogurtBandit]

Also, I would like to note that I think all the arguments made that claimed Guardian was a hypocrite (even though you tricked him into believing it himself) as bullshit. TCS attacked BM for being scummy on purpose, and then did it himself. THAT is hypocrisy. Guardian attacked TCS for his hypocritical actions. He did not have a problem with people acting scummy on purpose, just those who preach against it then don't follow their own advice. That is NOT being a hypocrite.

Well, the thing is, I was acting scummy on purpose. Then I said that TCS acting scummy on purpose himself and preaching against BM doing so is hypocritical. So, I was acting scummy on purpose myself, and chastising someone for chastising someone for acting scummy on purpose. So, me acting scummy on purpose wasn't hypocritical, it was me attacking TCS, when the attack on TCS itself was the same behavior that I was attacking TCS for. If I am still wrong on this and Glork tricksy'd me, let me know. Thanks for defending me though <3.

btw, I think I outlined my thoughts on Albert pretty helpfully >:].

*Did not understand*

So you really were acting scummy, but I dont remember you posting that, but then you attacked TCS for acting scummy and then You realized that you were being a hypocrite but yet you're not a hypocrite evn though u are?

[YogurtBandit]

MoS--sure, I'm up for a party. But what makes you think Billy is pro-town? I have so little read on him that I'm kind of baffled at how you reached that conclusion.

Billy has posted like 5 posts, and they all seem pro town I guess.

[YogurtBandit]

MoS--sure, I'm up for a party. But what makes you think Billy is pro-town? I have so little read on him that I'm kind of baffled at how you reached that conclusion.

Billy has posted like 5 posts, and they all seem pro town I guess.

I'm sorry...are you MoS? 'Cause pretty sure I asked him.

Just stating my stuff.

[YogurtBandit]

Trying to get replaced in the hopes that your replacement might be able to help your side better is not fair to your replacement, and dosn't help your side anyway, as your replacement would then be in the difficult position of trying to defend things you did. Just read the thread, see if anything looks scummy to you, and do your best.

Agreed, ive had that happened to me twice as a replacement, and it was never a good situaiton. I wouldnt abandon the game because of that Albert, because its not fair for your replacement.

[YogurtBandit]

Alright I'll soldier up then. But I warn you not to blame me for all that anti-town behavior

when I'm found as townie.

And don't judge me on this game's performance.

Mod, I'll stay in this game.

Like previously, content coming up before monday.

So you are confident you will be lynched?

[YogurtBandit]

I love how the more experienced players think they have me figured out after just a couple games. Talk to Battle Mage... he always knows when I am scum.

And

vote: BillyTwilight

for fairly obvious reasons.

I dont have to ask Battle Mage, I know you are scum.

[YogurtBandit]

Interesting discussion, I'd like to see Billy's reply to this.

Thats all you have to say? I thought you said you were going to be distribtuing good content...

[YogurtBandit]

The "like" and "I guess".

That was the reason you voted me?

[YogurtBandit]

YB, were you sarcastic ?

No, I was being serious.

[YogurtBandit]

YB, were you sarcastic ?

No, I was being serious.

What is your attitude towards him now ?

I still think he's town. The lurking arguements arent the most protown thing ever, but he's still protown to me.

[YogurtBandit]

Guys, if you'd look at how far Guardian is reaching to try to make Albert seem scummy, you'd be lynching Guard in a heartbeat.


Just sayin'.

I dont think he's nessecarily "reaching" he may be pushing for an Albert Lynch/scuminess. Besides, weren't you pushing for an albert lynch anyways?I dont think it is nessecary for a Guardian lynch.

[YogurtBandit]

...I had johhan listed as unhelpful...I didn't know he was this bad...

Why do you think he is unhelpful? I think he's just being inactive and doing some lurking, but I think his posts in general try to be helpful. I dont see how he could be unhelpful, but maybe thats just because he sposted like 6 posts this page...

[YogurtBandit]

Guardian, are you and YB friends in real life? You think you have a better read on him because of that? Can you go into a little more detail on why you think he's innocent please?

No wer're not, were just fond of each other I guess.

[YogurtBandit]

@#$%!

Why does everyone keep up with this mantra of me acting 'deliberately scummy'? What kind of fucked-up groupthink is this? Earlier in the game, I voted Guardian and refused to give a reason for it

this alone is not scummy, and whoever says so is lying to you

. Anything else you find scummy, you should

vote

me for, because I wasn't doing it on purpose.

When you say something like this, do you really need to ask?

Jack is correct, I often act scummy on purpose.

That right there makes me give TCS his 6th Confirm Vote from me.

Confirm Vote: TCS

[YogurtBandit]

Im think Im going to do a re-read, I know Ive confirmed voted TCS 6 times, but I'll look for other suspects.

[YogurtBandit]

But mafia can't assume someone is town either. And I said I assumed people are town as town. Don't you?

Either? I dont really get that word there.

[YogurtBandit]

Why aren't more people voting Shteven?

FoS: Everybody else

=O Telling pepole to join bandwagons! Thats a point for your Suspect. (BUT I still think TCS is scum)

[YogurtBandit]

This question is directed to Yogurt and Albert only.

If you were scum right now, which of your three scumbuddies would you choose to throw under the bus, and why?

I dont fel the need to answer that, Because i am not scum.

[YogurtBandit]

It was a hypothetical question, Yogurt. Please answer it. You too, Albert.

/Second Alberts last post

[YogurtBandit]

Why's my question stupid guys?

I dont think its tupid, but you should tell us who we wouldd be scumbuddies with so we could answer the question.

[YogurtBandit]

unvote,Vote:johhan

Any reason why?

[YogurtBandit]

Also, YB is scum because he hates kittens.

Those rumors are lies.

[YogurtBandit]

Btw, I take full credit for the activity/length of day one. The only game I am in which is falling inactive is my newbie game ;(.

Guardian is teh popular!

[YogurtBandit]

Mod: Am I being replaced?

[YogurtBandit]

I don't understand why you find Shteven

scummier

than Guardian

It's cuz I'm town, and Shteven might not be.

Guardian claimed town!

[YogurtBandit]

I wonder (since now it seems neither are going to answer it - don't know how I feel about that) what you would expect the answers to be from a town player or from a scum player.

I hoped that the first one of those two that arrived at my question would be scum, and would accidentally answer the question by naming the most bussable of their scumpartners. I don't know if you've ever seen the tv show with that British guy who pseudo-hypnotizes people on hte street into giving him their watches and wallets, but I was hoping that if I asked with confidence, I might get scum in a frame of mind to answer my question.

I expected town to confidently state "wtf". I expected scum that spotted the trick to respond uneasily.

Then why are you not voting YogurtBandit?

/second

But, I hear Im being replaced for no reason, At least thats what Shadowlurker said(But who can belive him anyways) So I dont know what to belive.

[YogurtBandit]

I'm leaning on YogurtBandit, but its all good.

Why?The others have given diffrent reasons, but it sounds like all that you are trying to do is to seem like you arent following anyone while You really are. usually you would say, "I agree" and vote someone, but there it seems like its trying to cover up what you really say. But its all good?? Again seems like a cover up, saying, I wont vote for him yet, I agree, but I wont vote.Its just too contradictory and I really dont like that post.

[YogurtBandit]

I'm leaning on YogurtBandit, but its all good.

Why?The others have given diffrent reasons, but it sounds like all that you are trying to do is to seem like you arent following anyone while You really are. usually you would say, "I agree" and vote someone, but there it seems like its trying to cover up what you really say. But its all good?? Again seems like a cover up, saying, I wont vote for him yet, I agree, but I wont vote.Its just too contradictory and I really dont like that post.

I'll be waiting to -1 you, so I don't put my vote yet.

If there was a jester in this game, Id be positive you were.

Fos: ABR

[YogurtBandit]

Wow. I'm really sure YB is scum now. Instead of defending himself against the accusations, he acts like he understands why they are suspicious of him, and then attacks the first person who goes after him with bad or no reasoning, in order to try and start a possible counterwagon or scare him off his own wagon. His actions scream of scum worrying about being seen as "overdefensive" if he tried to dispute our arguments.

What? I attackled Albert because he was trying to be subtle following a bandwagon, Then he said he would wait till I was at -1 to Hammah. Im not being overdefensive, I am being agressive. He's Leaning on me, but its all good. Why in the world would he say its all good?It really seems like hes rememberig his reputation for joining Bandwagons and trying to play it cool.

[YogurtBandit]

Oh BTW, Happy Birthday to BillyTwilight!

[YogurtBandit]

What? I attackled Albert because he was trying to be subtle following a bandwagon, Then he said he would wait till I was at -1 to Hammah.

I said I was waiting you be -2 so I would -2 you.

-1, Hammah, Same concept.

[YogurtBandit]

Yea, I didn't realize he was at -1. I'll

unvote

to give MBL a chance to finish and let YB claim first.

Uh, I was at -5.

[YogurtBandit]

BTW: selling my vote to the highest bandwagon. Inquire inside.

Explain that to me.

[YogurtBandit]

Also, Plessiez hasn't said anything, I dont mean to bring up the Lurker thing, but Just noting.

[YogurtBandit]

Explain that to me.

High bandwagon wins my vote, for the near future at least. And, no, that doesn't necessarily mean high bandwagon wins my suspicion.

So you're saying you'd rather vote for who everyone else is voting than who you think is suspicous? Dude, stick to your own things, There's no use in voting someone because everyone else has unless you're sure that person is scum.So you're saying if someone were to unvote and Vote Guardian, you would switch your vote too?

Fos:IHSIB

^^^ That is your new acronym.

About me being Goofy, Im so Goofy, The Disney charcter Goofy got Pointers from me [/b]

[YogurtBandit]

If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

inHim's list'o scum
Guardian
HungryJoe
TCS
Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.

Could you tell me why for each person?

[YogurtBandit]

If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

inHim's list'o scum
Guardian
HungryJoe
TCS
Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.

Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?

Sounds like WIFOM, really. Makes me even more sure this is Wifom by Inhim's response.I'd confirm vote you again, but after the 8th time it just gets old.

[YogurtBandit]

Wow, I just realized how incredibly poorly I've been playing this game.

Smells like Wifom.

[YogurtBandit]

I'm hesitant about Yogurt for the same reason I'm always hesitant about JDodge and Panzerjager--I always think they're scum.

I'm also voting you, So im assuming you want to avoid Omgus voting?

[YogurtBandit]

So, All of these pepole are scum?
(Glork, Albert, TCS, Guardian)
(MBL, Johhan)
(Yos)
(Yogurt)

(Altough I do agree about TCS) Pick our 5 scum inhim, outof these pepole, if you're so sure all of these pepole are scum.

[YogurtBandit]

I think Im going to another Re-read and do a pbpa of TCS.. Expect it tomorrow at latest.

[YogurtBandit]

ooh, a Guardian Glork Simul.

I really dont feel your case against Shteven is making more of an impact to me than TCS'S behavior...

[YogurtBandit]

Stoofeh!

umm, Is LML looking for a replacment for Plessiez? AE even said Plessiez cant play the game due to RL issues.

[YogurtBandit]

Welcome Xyzzy!

[YogurtBandit]

Voting YB is the way to go.

Actually, Sarc already is.

[YogurtBandit]

YB seems to have given up on the game. Where are his pbpa's now? If he actually cared to help the town he would be posting.

Glork, how is the shteven case stronger than the YB case?

This coming from the person that only posts actual content when hes being attacked?I haven't given up on the game.. Why would i desert it? I mean, Im still posting At least twice every page, where as you post once or so Every other page unless obliged to post. Like, If you get into an Argue ment you'll post suff like crazy, then lurk a little. But, I've already played the "Jack doesnt post anything" Card, so You know what I mean.

I would like to hear from our two new replacments on who they think is scum at the moment(and which page they are at on their re-read, so we know what to base their accusations on.)

[YogurtBandit]

Actually, Sarc already is. Razz

Stoofeh!

umm, Is LML looking for a replacment for Plessiez? AE even said Plessiez cant play the game due to RL issues.

Welcome Xyzzy!

This is what you post now. Where are your pbpa's?

If you want one, fine. Who shall I do it on? You decide, since you are the one pressuring me to Post.

[YogurtBandit]

Wow. YB's looking for direction from another player, because he's afraid to broach a subject without any indication that anyone else will support it...vote definitely stays.

No.

Jack wants to pressure me into posting more(key word More) While He never posts. I've told him to post more, and he hasn't. So,If Jack wants me to give a pbpa so badly I asked him. I guess I shall do one one TCS again. Still, Jack is posting some minor things out of the past 3 pages that I have posted, and he say's, "Wehre are youre pbpas now?" Which is no thing to be accusing me for. Really, Jack should be accused of Lurking Strategically and gettting away with, while popping in once a while and posting pro-town stuff. So I think I will do one On Jack and One on TCS.

[YogurtBandit]

EBWOP: Iwill be doing a Jack pbpa first.

[YogurtBandit]

Okay, Here's the Pbpa Im doing on Jack. I am doing one on Jack because I belive He Strategically Lurks too much and Mannages to get away with it as well.(Lurks, Then posts a pro town post) I am going to put the time between each post, Too see how often he actually does post.

Post 1 Sun May 27, 2007 10:31 am (N/A)

I don't like albert's reason for voting johhan. Vote:Albert

Not with much reason WHY he doesnt like it, which is odd, but it was earlier in the game and no one asked him that, so its acceptable I guess.

Post 2 Tue May 29, 2007 3:34 pm (1 day)

unvote,Vote:yogurtbandit

Don't see what he's saying against bm and he revealed himself pretty easy in another game, let's wagon.

This one makes my skin crawl. not because its me, I twould do the same for anyone. but "Let's Wagon" Really makes no sense to me. First, He's Metagaming. Second, Hes Bandwagoning me metagamingly, and Then, He says its because Im Attacking BM... Makes no Sense to me.

Post 3 Tue May 29, 2007 4:28 pm (1 hour)

beanbagboy wrote:
Albert does seem... lurky. But I'm in another game with him (Mini 449) in which he is doing exactly the same. Again, we're both alive, but it does seem consistent.

Jack has brought up an interesting point, Yogurt barely has posted, even more so than Albert. If we're going after non contributers, Unvote: Jack, Vote: YogurtBandit

I have posted less than either.

fos beanbagboy. You seem to want to follow.

Well, at least he's not lying about posting less than us. The Follow thing makes absolutley no sense since he said "Lets Wagon" in the post above, Then Attacks BBB for it.

MFOS

Note that from here to post 14, These are debates with GLork, Showing he only posts content and more when Obliged too.

Post 4 Wed May 30, 2007 11:09 am (12 Hours)

I'm not finding Glork very pro town. Don't agree with many of his posts.

I'm not in favor of a meta game lynch of BM. No behavior is 100% scummy so townies shouldn't be lynched for it, I don't find him that scummy anyway.

No comment really...

Post 5 Wed May 30, 2007 11:21 am (10 minutes)

Glork wrote:
I'm not in favor of a meta-lynch of BM either. I'm in favor of getting him to adapt his playstyle so that he isn't practically always an immediate suspect


Frankly I don't see why he is always an immediate suspect and such people are useful as scum-bait anyway. The town just has to be smart enough to not speed lynch them.

No comment again.

Post 6 Wed May 30, 2007 11:27 am (5 mintues)

That's what he was asking you.

More Debating.

Post 7 Wed May 30, 2007 11:37 am (10 minutes)

Glork wrote:
Jack wrote:
Glork wrote:
I'm not in favor of a meta-lynch of BM either. I'm in favor of getting him to adapt his playstyle so that he isn't practically always an immediate suspect

`````````````
Frankly I don't see why he is always an immediate suspect and such people are useful as scum-bait anyway. The town just has to be smart enough to not speed lynch them.
...which, I will note, we didn't do. (Speed-lynch BM, that is.)

But no, I agree with TCS that it tends to be distracting much more often than helpful. Your suspicion of me, as far as I can tell, stems from our difference in philosophies regarding this matter. Stating that you disagree with my stance/points on a general metagame topic does not equate to thinking somebody is scum.

```````
I said I "didn't find you pro townie" so it was more of a feeling based on your posts. It's not more than a feeling because I can't reread (at work). Same goes for those other questions. I got the feeling you were faking your suspicions like scum do.

Meh, More arguing.

Post 8 Wed May 30, 2007 11:51 am (10 minutes)

I also get a scum distancing feel from Albert and Glork.

Don't you just love gut based accusations

Doesnt explain why, AGAIN.

Post 9 Wed May 30, 2007 7:47 pm (8 hours)

Glork wrote:
Shteven/Jack: If you could quote exactly which posts/lines you find off-base and why you don't like them, then perhaps I could actually respond to your inklings.


Why are you so eager to?

Eager? I had responded to this before.. Glork just wanted to know...

Post 10 Thu May 31, 2007 9:29 am (22 hours)

Glork wrote:
Jack wrote:
Glork wrote:
Shteven/Jack: If you could quote exactly which posts/lines you find off-base and why you don't like them, then perhaps I could actually respond to your inklings.


Why are you so eager to?
Because I often see bogus wagons spring up this way. Two or three players get "feelings" or "vibes." Somebody else (a scumbag) decides to "agree."

No one is voting you. I would call this overdefensive.

um, Over Defensive? Glork just wants info Jack.

Post 11 Thu May 31, 2007 4:44 pm (7 hours)

Glork wrote:
But if Albert thought they were "two of the best," that would certainly give him incentive to kill one of them.


This is exactly what you were attacking MBL for. Vote:Glork

No comment.

Post 12 Thu May 31, 2007 5:06 pm (Half Hour)

Glork wrote:
Jack wrote:
Glork wrote:
But if Albert thought they were "two of the best," that would certainly give him incentive to kill one of them.


This is exactly what you were attacking MBL for. Vote:Glork
No. I was attacking MBL for calling the SV kill "odd."
...and I kept it there for his refusing to explain why he thought it was odd.


No.

Glork wrote:
MBL seems to want to begin the often-fruitless process of "nightkill choice speculation." The only ones among us who could have any legitimate insight into the scums' kills would be the scums themselves. MBL is experienced enough to know by now that talking about N1 kills (especially in a night-start game) is rarely (if ever) useful.


You said alberts comment was interesting, since he said they were two of the best, and implied that he might have killed them as scum for that reason. This is clearly nightkill choice speculation.

Quote:
Don't paint my primary reason for voting Albert as being his early-game comments. It is a known that lamentation (or celebration) over night-deaths is a common scumtell, and that is what I was getting at. Either way my main reason for voting for Albert is his bandwagony nature. Do not strawman me, Jack.


I'm not. I think your nightkill speculation given earlier comments is fake and scummy.



Quote:
EBWODP: In fact, note, Jack, that I didn't even call it scummy what Albert did. I called it INTERESTING. That part of the paragraph was more my thinking aloud as to whether Albert's initial comments were significant -- whether he was trying to be the "good little townie" by being sad about the "good scumhunters" who died.


You said it was interesting and then voted him. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together, and the implication is clear there.

Hmm,A lot of info in there....

Post 13 Thu May 31, 2007 7:27 pm (2 hours)

So was it interesting or was it scummy? Last post you emphasized that you hadn't said it was scummy only interesting, now you say you pointed it out because it's a scum tell. But if it's a scum tell then it would have been scummy. You're backtracking.

@Billy: the rest of glork's case doesn't concern me. I said nothing about it.

Uhm, This is confusuing...

Post 14 Thu May 31, 2007 7:46 pm(20 minutes)

actually I misread on that part, you did say it was a scum tell before saying it was interesting. I'm still finding you scummy but I'm lacking anything concrete so unvote

Well, At least hes honest about having no case. And we know what he's talking about.

End Glork Debate

Post 15 Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:42 pm (20 hours)

Albert B. Rampage wrote:
MrBuddyLee wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
It's better to get lynched than claim vanilla. FYI.

This comment seems to assume the accused is town. FOS: TCS


BS.

Unvote, vote MBL


What?

Even if you disagree his comment makes sense. For mafia it is clearly not better to get lynched than claim vanilla, So that comment indicates townieness. I disagree with MBL because you could still make that comment while being unsure of Albert's aligment, making the comment on the off chance he was town for example.

Your vote is poor.

Hmmmmmm. He then corrects him self again, 2 hours later.

Post 16 Fri Jun 01,2007 5:33 pm (2 hours)

Or he could have thought, if Albert B is a townie he shouldn't claim it.

Jack: Why did you change your mind on this?

Here are where the posts get interesting(expect more posts from him)

Post 17 Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:31 am (19 hours)

Vote:Guardian last post is quite scummy.

Absolutely no reason why, besides its scummy.I did attack him for this.

Post 18 Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:46 am(1 hour)

and that sounds like scum who is upset someone found him scummy.

XD What the hell were you thinking??? Defending an attack is not reason to call someone scummy right off the bat. If So, Everyone on MS would look Scummy. Seriously, tell me what you were thinking.

Post 19 Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:09 am (14 hours)

I also find this post by shteven to be scummy.

I like to keep my notes in the game thread itself btw.

Heh, you also like to lurk. Again, NO REASON AT ALL. Any reason at all would help, I mean, Come on. NOTES IN THREAD? ALL YOU WRITE IS NOTES! (Unless Obliged) IF YOU THINK THATS AN EXCUSE, YOU'RE WRONG. You think everyone has had a scummy post in this game, you're scattering accusations everywhere( and to everyone).... I mean, its not Wishy Washy voting, but Istill cant belive you're getting away with all of this.(The Lurking too.)

Note: The next two posts have no revelance, really, but they were about 7 hours apart.

Post 20 Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:36 pm ( It was about 3 minutes from the other one)

YogurtBandit wrote:
Jack wrote:
That's a weird conversation.


You didnt respond to my post about you!

I am a walrus

XD What in the world?? you were trying to avoid the post, which Anyone can see... But, lets move on down to the next post.

Post 21 Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:10 pm (2hours)

YogurtBandit wrote:
Jack wrote:
YogurtBandit wrote:
Jack wrote:
That's a weird conversation.


You didnt respond to my post about you Exclamation


I am a walrus


This is not the time to be immature, Innocent pepole are being killed. Respond. Its not like you cant respond to it.


That was a response. You didn't say the response had to make sense.


But really, like I said before, I like to make ingame notes. It's more open than private notes so why do you mind? You can just ignore them.

When I see something concrete I'll go for it.

Also, beanbagboy, why are you discussion who might be masons? Do you also want to discuss who might be cop?

Again, Avoiding it, then bringing back the notes subject.

Post 22 Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:14 pm (Hour)

YogurtBandit wrote:
Jack wrote:

But really, like I said before, I like to make ingame notes. It's more open than private notes so why do you mind? You can just ignore them.


First, you only barely mentioned this.

Second, You just dont go around Lurking for a day, then posting a "I think that last post was suspicous." Especially, when you dont say why. If you're going to accuse pepole of doing somehting, tell them what they did wrong, and why they received your suspicion. If you dont tell us, how can we agree with you/Disagree with you? Just tell us, its not a problem. If you think someone is going to suspect you because you contribute to the town, stop thinking that. We want to know everything. It looks more suspicous if you barely contribute good content. Also, dont kid around. As I afore mentioned, Innocent pepole are dying. This not the time for pepole to laugh, Which means you need to stop cracking jokes at everyone. I dont mean for you to be extremely serious, you can be somewhat lightheartyed yes, but dont goof off. So until you start making good and or strong posts, and stop goofing off,

Vote: Jack


Uh, no. Innocent people are not dying. This is what we call a g-a-m-e. I'll say whatever I want. What is the purpose of persuing me? I told you if I had something to say I would say it. You can't really explain gut feelings. You're just wasting space.

How dareb you say Im wasting Space? You are wasting space! If you have nothing to say, then either read more, or get a replacement

End Obliged posts

Post 23 Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:18 pm (1 Day, 1 hour)

Albert B. Rampage wrote:
vote: Shteven

He is clearly seeding an attack on me with his "albert always plays scummy" comment. I don't like it, it sounded like a set-up.


No he isn't. If albert is always scummy then scummy play by you here indicates nothing. This looks like a poor excuse to bandwagon.

Something isnt right about Jacks post, but I cant put my ffinger on it.

This next post, watch jack Contradict himself.

Post 24 Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:28 pm (1 hour)

LoudmouthLee wrote:
The mods would like to welcome AutumnEvenings to the game, replacing Haut Boy as of this post.


Sweet! AE is fun to play with.

WHAT.THE.HELL. This is the same thing JACK ATTACKED ME FOR! THATS MORE CONTRADICTORY THAN SOMETHING REALLY CONTRADICTORY. IM GOING TO QUOTE THE POST HE ATTACKED ME FOR WELCOMING A NEW PLAYER, AND YOU'LL SEE. And Jack, dont give me any crap " Well its diffrent because I barely post and you always post so you're expected to do more" Cause That will give you a vote faster than The guy who holds the record on the 100m dash.

Fos:Jack

Welcome Xyzzy!

This is what you post now. Where are your pbpa's?

WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? Im sorry, but I can't belive that.

Hey look, Two Contradictions in a row.

Post 25 & 26
Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:33 am(9 hours)

unvote,Vote:~n9V~
I was scum with ~N9V~ once. Don't want to let him lurk.

... Exactly what he attacked me for, getting on N9V's case because he Lurked. First, Jack Lurks, so thats Hypocrisy. second, Its more Contradiction and Hypocrisy, Because He voted me For suggesting we Pressure N9V, WHEN HE VOTED N9V.

Hos:Jack

( In the next few posts, One of wich is A day apart, He unvotes N9v, then states wh ohe thinks is scum.)

Post 27 Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:23 pm

Vote:YogurtBandit

I really don't see what the hell you are getting at with your pbpa and I think it's an attempt to appear like a helpful townie while dumping suspicion on someone.

Lol, You going to confirm vote me because of the pbpa on you again?

( Next posts He talks abotu Guardian, and my Pbpa.)

Post 28 Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:36 pm ( 2 hours away from last post)

Albert is scummy, but I would prefer a yogurt or guardian lynch.

Any lynch that isnt you?

Post 29 Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:09 pm

I don't think HackerHuck is posting enough. johhan needs to post more. BT had an excuse, said he would post wednesday, hasn't. ~n9v~ def lurking, I might remember him lurking as town, he needs to post more.

Again, Voting me because of lurking and then Accusing Fellow Lurkers.

( He also posst every other day after 29.)

Post 30 ( 3 days away from last post)

I think I can take billy's summary in place of my reread and unvote, vote:yogurtBandit

Ah, So you let other pepole direct your votes?



Okay, I really think Jack should be punished for lurking. Look up his posts by going to the bottom of the page and selecting posts by jack, and they've gotten really seperated.. Besides that, he's been contradictory, and he let Billy Put his vote on me.( In a sense, of course.) I will do one on TCS soon, and See who I think is more scummy, but my vote will stay on tcs until I decide. Also, Jack, I would love for you to reply to this with good content and I want you to defend the accusations I have against you or at least explain them. I know you can post, so I dont want to hear any 2 line replies, I want a full reply to every thing I have accused you of. Also, Post more man. I barely see that avatar maybe every other page now and then, and its just, "i'm here Istill think Yb is Scummy, Yb Is Lurking, I think YB is the lynch, That arguementr is odd, ETC." The only way you can help the town is to post more, and post more content, and I do nopt know how many tiimes I must say it until you understand that.

[YogurtBandit]

I'm not one to Metagame Extremely, I focus more on the game here.

[YogurtBandit]

Guardian - Are you trying really hard to make it look like you and YB are in cahoots? You even went so far as to double post just like YB.

YB - I'm really quite disappointed that you went to all that trouble to make such a long post and your conclusion was that Jack should be punished for lurking. The fact that there are others who are contributing less than Jack and others that appear scummier, your PBPA selection seems more than a little OMGUSsy. That said, since you chose someone who wasn't really high on the radar screen it makes me think that the biggest bandwagons are all on scum or that you're likely not scum.

On a side note,

I will not likely have access from Sunday to Tuesday.

Mod

: Could we get a votecount please?

Um, At the time, MS was slow, so We may have both posted by accident.. Thats Over analyzing on your part Huck, I would hardly belive that is a reason to think we're connected.

I still wanted to do a pbpa on Jack, I know he did do Suspicou stuff before. And its not just stratigecuially lurking, but he gets away with it. Plus, I knew I would fidn something there in the pbpa.

[YogurtBandit]

Finally... finished...

No Day One should ever last this long, especially one in which there are

so many incredibly scummy people

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It is mind-boggling that YB hasn't been lynched yet.

Guardian, MBL, and Albert are also scummy.

Surprisingly, I didn't really find Glork's case against Shteven very convincing.

Yos, AE, Jack and BT all look pro-town to me.

In conclusion, YB is scum and must die. I would also accept a Guardian lynch. Actually, to be perfectly honest, I'd be happy to hammer just about anyone at this point, solely to end this torturous day.

Unvote, Vote YB

(I know I was already voting for him, but it wasn't really

my

vote)

May I ask What exactly I did that warrants your vote?

[YogurtBandit]

Pretty much everything.

BT's huge post a while back covered most of it.

It seems most pepole are following him in voting me... Could All 4 Scum be on my wagon?

[YogurtBandit]

Ugh, it's stuff like that. First of all, that's not really a logical step: "People are voting me after BT made a good case, therefore all the scum are on my wagon". Second, I don't like that phrasing. You sound like you're just throwing it out there for other people to think about. If you really think your wagon is covered in scum, give an actual reason for why you think that. Don't try to steer better players into making ridiculous conclusions, because it won't work.

I am incredibly happy with my vote on you.

Im not saying that, Im saying Everyone is following BT, Which could lead to them being scum.

[YogurtBandit]

Well, for what it's worth, I was ready to lynch you long before I even got to BT's post, and given how incredibly scummy you are, I don't really blame people for following BT. At the same time, I recognise that you do have a point about it being easy for scum to jump onto a bandwagon after a long and persuasive argument like that.

If you really think that scum jumped on your bandwagon after BT's post, I'd recommend going back and trying to find them yourself. You're currently acting like you just need to find an excuse for the bandwagon on you not to be good without actually putting in the effort to either defend yourself or find scum. You can't just say "Maybe the people on my bandwagon are scum" and expect someone else to go find them for you.

Well,I just stated My Case Against Jack, So I will look into the others. But I think the rest of you are replacments, so I'll have to base accusations off Who you replaced.

[YogurtBandit]

YB, have you ever actually tried to defend yourself against the accusations leveled against you by BT, myself, and others? There is solid evidence that you need to explain, and all you're doing is going around posting PBPAs and attacking the people on your wagon. That's not helpful, and an aggressive, completely non-defensive playstyle is usually the mark of scum under pressure. This makes me like my vote even more.

Okay then,I will respond to my accusations.

[YogurtBandit]

EBWOP: Also another thing, a reason I didnt defend myself before because I beleived that acting defensive is just Wifommy and Scummy. I was sure that If I had tried to defend myself, You would just attack me more. Anyways, Im going to defend against BT's posts, against my better judgemment, so expect that soon.

[YogurtBandit]

Here ya go, One defense of a pbpa. I'd like for all of the pepole voting me to comment.

Post #'s 78, 79: I don't like the first sentence in post #78. It seems to come more from the psychology of scum than town; in a way he states "I wish that BM looked scummy enough to lynch, but he doesn't right now so I am just going to FoS him."

Well, He was Definetly LOOKING scummy, I just didnt want to vote him at the moment.

Post #85: Votes BM over really shitty reasoning. He follows TCS bandwagon call and claims that he read BM's "scumtell" and that was reason enough to vote him. First, the scum tell came before YB's post #81, so he had already read that "scumtell" and not seen anything there to vote for, but when TCS voted, YB was quick to follow. This was the 7th vote on BM's early wagon, and unjustified to boot.

You've got me there.

Post #99: Unvotes BM because he gets a "pro-town" feel on him, although Battle Mage did nothing between post #'s 85 and 99 that I can see that makes him more protown. However, YB did pick up a few votes in the interim, from Jack, BBB and BM; couple that with several people commenting that BM's wagon looked suspicious makes me feel that YB's distancing from the wagon was scum trying to back off from a town lynch that had soured. He also IGMEOY's Jack in this post, which seems OMGUSy to me.

I really dont think it was distancing.

Post #'s 101, 103: Nothing much here; BBB does point out that Yogurt's post #99 has a weird vibe because he attacked Jack for FoSing BBB for voting YB. I think this is evidence of scum not thinking things through. He wanted to go for Jack because of Jack's vote and call for a wagon, but didn't think through exactly what he was doing, just threw the IGMEOY out for no really good reason.

Well, All he said was "You seem to want to follow". Thats what I cant stand about Jacks play, He never posts and finds the dumbest things to attack.

Post #120: He defends himself against my post #106, where I ask for clarification on post #99. His answers are unsatisfactory. Says he doesn't exactly know why he thought BM was protown; reasons that it might be because BM said that he acts scummy as town, etc. Not a satisfactory answer to why he claimed suspicion of Jack as well and criticizes BM for his playstyle. Although the last part seems ok out of context, in the thread he was merely echoing the thoughts of others from that part of the conversation. I find scum do this often, to seem as though they are contributing without saying anything substantial or that hasn't already been covered in thread.

Whats Wrong with trying to help? Keep in mind, at that time, this was still my second game on MS.

Post #124: He's back on the BM wagon, with an FoS instead of a vote this time. Again the reasons are not great (same old BM acts scummy on purpose but maybe this time he is scum argument). I don't like how he said "I don't feel like voting you now," then FoSes him instead. Seems to me like he learned his lesson from the last time he tested the BM wagon-waters and is more hesitant about throwing down a vote on him.

Not Nesseciarily, it was the same reason as before.

Post #136: Chastises Albert for not voting his conscience. The first of several posts where YB adopts a preachy posting style. It's very manipulative and soapbox-like, and again contributes nothing to what has already been said in thread. Follows that with an Albert vote, jumping onto the next burgeoning bandwagon available.

Preachy?? I attacked Albert for not having his own mind about voting, just like I've attacked the possible scum on this wagon.

Post #138: Chastises Albert for joining bandwagons.

Same as before. Also, what is "Chasties?"

Post #165: Answers a question from Jack intended for Glork. He does this several times in the thread, might be a personal scumtell from him. I think he thinks answering questions in game makes him look more town and helpful, even if those questions are for other players and have nothing to do with him.

Again, I still don't see what is wrong with being helpful, and this was still early in the game.

Post #173: Unvotes, but HoSes Albert and BM. I don't understand why a player has a vote on someone, then out of the blue unvotes them but leaves a large amount of suspicion on them. He gives a terrible reason for this (they keep flip-flopping, so I will unvote them, but I will keep an HoS{? - wtf is the point of an HoS?}, because I hear of their scummy behavior). He then begins questioning HJ. Asks him for anything he sees different or more scummy about BM's play, makes a statement that doesn't even make sense to me about how HJ would only think the way he's thinking because scum would think that way, and another question about asking Glork something about his behaviour that also doesn't make sense to me. I think the most significance in this post is not the content itself, but where it was directed. Glork at the time had attacked HJ for HJ joining the BM wagon, and HJ obviously began to defend himself. Everyone knows Glork's reputation for scum hunting, and whither or not Glork is scum a newb scum is likely to follow where Glork leads. This is the first mention that I can see from YB to HJ, and his timing seems funny to me. I think he saw Glork attacking HJ, and knowing Glork's ability to get people to follow him he jumped in early as well, hoping that a wagon would form against HJ. Otherwise I don't see the point of this post, as the questions for HJ are not well thought out don't really add a lot to that conversation.

So you're saying Either Glork Is Scum with me, or Ho'ses are pointless?

Post #246: Clarifies his unvote of Albert, then FoSes Albert (again) while twisting a statement of Albert's way way out of context. He then asks Guardian why Guardian thinks TCS might be scum.

It wasn't way out of context, I was reading between the lines. I clarified my unvote because LML forgot to take it off the vote count, So I simply restated it.

Post #248, 250: Unsatisfactorily defends his twisting of Albert's words.

Unsasticfactorily?How could It have been more Satisfactilary?

Post #252: Defends Guardian against Jack, again answering a statement (not really a question) for someone else.

Excuse me for getting in Jack's Case.

Post #261: Rolefishing, and stupid to boot. Let's not try to out any masons or other power roles on day 1 please.

I wouldn't say Rolefishing more than Rolesuggesting.

Post #264: Back on the soapbox. Basically comes down to not liking Jack posting short posts. He defends Guardian again. Claims he's not attacking Jack, but then FnoSes him (btw, I hate these various levels of FoS; not saying they are scummy, but they are stupid).

Soapbox? Jack part is explained, and they arent stupid, they are on the Wiki. =0

Post #'s 268, 270, 272, 274, 276, 278: Very weird conversation about claiming town (I think about claiming vanilla town). Can't tell if YB was trying to get Albert to slip up or if it was just banter.

This is just newb me, I didnt understand that concept.

However, What I am really not liking from BT right now is the fact that he's speculating everything Ido and trying to make me look bad. Which I have done too Albert, I know, but BT is going, "im not sure if he's trying to be nice, nut iot sure seems like a scummy thing, or Hmm, That could be scummy, but Im not sure. Im really starting to think Billy is Trying to get even more evidence on me.

Post #'s 282, 286, 288, 292: Extreme soapboxing here. Attacks Jack for his jokey playstyle, takes the game to a role playing extreme, and culminates in a Jack vote - which is strange. He doesn't give a reason for voting Jack; in fact, Jack hasn't really done anything since YB's earlier FnoS (boo!), yet YB votes him. It seems the vote is placed more because Jack refuses to change his play style than anything else. I don't know that this is scummy, but it could be opportunistic, and its definitely trying to be manipulative.

Well, Its quite simple, I attacked Jack for lurking.

Post #348: Asks TCS why he joined Guardian's bandwagon

Eh, I ask alot of questions.

Post #349, 353, 355, 357, 360, 367: Begins a particularly suspicious lurker-hunt for N9V. The timing is incredibly strange and out of the blue, and is a distraction from the Guardian wagon that is forming. I find it most suspicious because he doesn't vote for N9V. When people start voting N9V he attacks them for it, and "takes the high road" of asking for a prod. During this part of the game Guardian constantly refers to YB as noob town. All in all a fairly good distraction away from the Guardian wagon that was forming.

Well, It seems like bad timing but it's not. I neve said "Lets vote N9V!!!" I said first lets prod him then Vote him, which makes sense since if he had answered it we could ask questions about him lurking, why, Etcetra, Etcera.

Post #381: Back tracks a little on Guardian, and wants Guardian to answer some points that AE made. Although not as bad, this still falls in the answering/commenting on other people's questions.

More "Maybe, Maybe not from you."

Post #393: Good vote for TCS.

Thank You.

Post #399: His first "random" pbpa. Target: TCS. Not a lot of content. He accuses TCS of a bandwagon mentality, although he has mostly bandwagoned throughout the game himself. I really don't mind this post too much. It's a little forced and has a strange feel to it, but TCS isn't a very townie player so far in this game, and I don't mind the vote.

But Of Course.

Post #410: "Random" pbpa. Target: MBL. Again mentions masons. A completely ridiculous and unneeded post. Puts a bunch of "HMMMMM"s in there, which means absolutely nothing. This post seems ridiculously scummy to me and makes his post against TCS look bad. It's like he thought, "well, I did one pbpa and I better do another just to make sure people don't think its strange that I did the first one". This is probably one of the scummiest posts in the game, regardless of player.

I still dont see whats wrong with being helpful. Maybe it was odd, but Im checking all my bases on players. Besides, Whats wrong with seing a pbpa?

Post #447, 448, 450, 452: Begins his silly "Confirm Vote: TCS" campaign. I am torn a little on this, because I do think TCS has been acting scummy. However, rereading YB gives me the impression that YB is jumping on a screw-up by town. All of YB's posts have actually given me a more townie feel about TCS. YB accuses Jack and TCS of "staging" some posts about TCS always acting scummy or somesuch. Also attacks Jack for defending TCS on metagame information.

Well, I really did think the way he defened against my pbpa and the way he was acting was scummy. Also, Im not a fan of Metagame playing.

Post #'s 455, 459, 460: Guardian in post #453 offered up some kind of picking-out-a-movie-randomly explanation for YB's "random" pbpas. YB latched on to that description and again defends his calling those pbpas "random". When Jack questions him on it he kind of brushes it aside; he then continues his attack on Jack because Jack doesn't feel we can read too much into TCS acting scummy.

We can read into alot of things! I was sure TCS was scum then and Im still sure now, even though now there's a couple of other suspects.

Post #'s 516, 520: Another confirm vote for TCS (woohoo!). Again points out TCS contradictory play; YB's really latched onto that and trying for the kill, I think.

Well, Why would Inot be latched on? You and your scumbuddies are latched onto me, so I dont think you're in any posistion to be accusing me of that. I think? Not sure again. Noted.

Wait, theres more.

What I read from all of this. YB has had 127 posts so far this game. The vast majority have been inconsequential, and most aren't listed in the above analysis. This bothers me, because it feels like a player is trying to look very active without at lot of contribution. YB also constantly accuses people of bandwagoning, although (especially very early) he partook of wagons almost exclusively. His early vote/unvote of BM reeks of scum being caught jumping on a wagon with no reason and then backing down and trying to save face. He seemed very quick to follow Glork's lead in going after HJ. His "random" pbpas are forced and he made several attempts to defend them that seem to slightly contradict each other. He's been OMGUSy with Jack and TCS and he became very manipulative and preachy with Jack about his playstyle.

Im sorry, I wont post frequently anymore when I play games. The thing is, Even if I do contradict myself on the bandwagon thing, I have reasons more than others who just say "I agree With Billy Twilight, Yogurt is scum, I finished my Re-read, I still think YB is scum, I think YB is scum for talking about I think he is scum" So, Some of the pepole who are on my bandwagon for that, you are contradicting yourself. Sarc, I mmainly pointing at you because BBB (Plessiez) Was voting me without BT's pbpa, and you all of the sudden come in and re-vote me after reading this pbpa. Let's face it, This bandwagon is easier to jump on than Guardian's, Which is the operfect oppurtunity for scum. FOS:Sarc. I think I will Do some more pbpa's of the pole on my bandwagon, and Im sure I'll find at least 1 person acting more scummy than me.( Look at Jack, and BT, barely posting, Lurking, Starting Bandwagons, Looking Pro-town). I actually belive MoS is the only one on the bandwagon that is Pro-town for the most part, since his case one me contains more info from himself and less info from Billy's Pbpa, but maybe that just what he wants. Bt's Contstant, "Maybe Yes, Maybe No" Comments about me are odd, I definetly think he's signaling his buddies or He wants to point Fingers at me( Fingers of suspicon, in a way, but not nesscarily, since he's voting me anyways.) I think I will look for connections between Billy and the pepole on this bandwago(Jack,HungryJoe,Mos,Sarcastro/BBB)I still think this pbpa is more of a (and this will sound really stupid when Isay it) "Scum Roundup" Than an Actuall acusation. But Billy does have good stuff on me, I must say, So Im unsure about Billy's intentions. I will say, He's made it very easy for pepole to vote me and get away with it. If thats what you wanted Billy, Good Job. Fos: BillyTwilight

On a side note, with this pbpa I feel much better about TCS, simply because of the way YB has gone after him. I don't think they are mafia together, and TCS could be a a SK, but coupled with TCS' play in Clue and the style that he seems to be adapting lately, he's lowered on my radar now.

Ithink I caught you. How would you know that TCS is definetly Mafia? Distancing? Perhaps Tcs isnt voting me so it isnt Omgussy and so you ahve one scum not on me? How are you sure that I am not the Sk? Im not saying I am, But I think you are sure im just a bad looking townie. Distancing TCS away from this all is noted.

Mos and Sarc, Im sure you are going to say How crazy my logic is right now, and that I'm blowing all of this out of porportion, so you may need to tell me exactly why I am. Also, you keep saying "Im even more sure of my vote now." Thats exactaly like saying a Confirm vote 8 times! So I hope you are nopt attacking me for that only, because you are being extremely contradictory.

[YogurtBandit]

I don't have the presence of mind to go over YB's defense at the moment, but I will give it careful attention early next week. A bit excessive on the quoting for my tastes, although I will admit that not quoting can cause some confusion,

If you mean me, my words are in bold.

[YogurtBandit]

I don't have the presence of mind to go over YB's defense at the moment, but I will give it careful attention early next week. A bit excessive on the quoting for my tastes, although I will admit that not quoting can cause some confusion,

If you mean me, my words are in bold.

[YogurtBandit]

Let's just lynch YB.

That was 3 days apart from your last post, and you barely say anything.

Lurking!!!

[YogurtBandit]

He's right. He really doesn't need to.

But there isnt any thing wrong with change.

[YogurtBandit]

*avidly raises hand* I am!!

You are what?

[YogurtBandit]

Listening

Oh.

[YogurtBandit]

When did Jack say that? :shiftyeyes:

I'd oerfe claiming later, since the deadline is still a week away.

[YogurtBandit]

When did Jack say that? :shiftyeyes:

I'd perfer claiming later, since the deadline is still a week away.

EBWOP:Woa, Typo.

[YogurtBandit]

We need time to find an alternative if your claim convinces us not to lynch you.

Claim now.

Role Fishing?

Meh, HEre it is.
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Vanilla

Although Im sure you are set in stone about me. Istill want all the pepole on my wagon to respond to the defense pbpa on BT's. I also want to hear from Hungry Joe who is on my wagon but isn't here.

[YogurtBandit]

Hmm, What I am starting to see is that of the 3 Bandwagons one will be lynched because of time. In that case, we should wait until Guardian gets back so we can have Me, Shteven and Guardian all place their suspicons. If one of us is going to be lynched because of time and for the sake of the town, we should all place our suspicons. Even mafia, Who can suspect an Sk and Vice Versa.(Altough its basically a wild guess, since Scum dont know who each other are) But maybe the info would still be good for a possible NK? I dont think pepole who are about to be lynched would Buss though.. I will probably put my suspicons soon, and I hope that shteven will do the same. Unfourtaely, Guardian IS gone until July 8th, so we either wait for him (we can) or Lynch someone. I would perfer we hear from Guardian if we plan on lynching him anyways, because we must know the final suspicons of us 3.

Prod Hungry Joe

Please, he hasn't said anything and he does have a vote on me, so I'd like to hear from him and stuff.

Will everyone voting me and everyone suspicous of me please read by defense of BT's pbpa?

[YogurtBandit]

Stop lynching YB I'm sure he's town his play is very very consistent with YB town play.

Lynch Jack, or BM, or Shteven. They all feel like scum. Crucify Albert for claiming vanilla earlier.

The beach is awesome!!!

Guardian, Glad to hear you're having fun. Isee you've told us your suspicons.

Mine will come soon, and I expect Shtevens to follow.

[YogurtBandit]

Stop lynching YB I'm sure he's town his play is very very consistent with YB town play.

Would you (or YB or anybody) care to provide any proof of this assertion?

Um ,See post 1125 and my defense of the pbpa by Billy.

[YogurtBandit]

I have chosen this game to be the subject of an experiment, if you would be kind enough to comply. I would like everyone to post

at least

one thing that you find suspicious of me so far this game. If you don't have anything other than what's been said, that's ok, say it anyways. This game seems ideal to test this, because I don't recall a lot of people being that suspicious of me since I replaced into the game.

Well, I think You are scum in a way or Connected with Twilight somehow.

[YogurtBandit]

Hey all. I've been trying to keep up with reading the thread, but haven't had a chance to compose a lengthy post. As far as general comments, I'm still happy with a YB lynch... his rebutal of my analysis does nothing to convince me he is pro-town. I'll try to have more significant comments tomorrow afternoon (EST).

Well, would you care to respond to my paragraph about how I think you are the scum leader/GF?

[YogurtBandit]

If I had to pick one thing about MoS that seems a bit scummy...

After his big reread, he places a vote on MBL, a big FoS on YB and some other normal FoSes. He later decides that MBL can wait and he places his vote on YB. Here's where I find it to be a bit scummy.

Vote on YB (apparently) was because YB became scummier, not because MBL became less scummy. After that vote, MoS became quite focused on YB and barely mentioned MBL. Then when MBL poses his bizarre question to Guardian, YB, and Albert, his first response is to say that he doesn't like YB's response to the question (bottom of page 33). Then on the next page, his answers seem to flip-flop a bit like he can't quite remember if he's still supposed to think MBL is scum or not.

I would have quoted, but I think it's more important to read the posts in context.

I actually have to say, Even after Mos's post, Istill find this contradictory, because one of the reasons I was attacked was for chaning my votes with BM and such.

Jack, That was a bad game...

[YogurtBandit]

cool.

WIFOM?

[YogurtBandit]

Why would I tell you why?

So that you can be useful for once? I hear it gives one a warm feeling inside.

QFT.

The Wifom thing was like you saying cool because somone found you scummy because you asked them too, which I just dont get.

[YogurtBandit]

I think a good SK will be more likely to hit scum than town and basically act as a vig for the first few days. I have my eye on Guardian and if he's an SK I'm comfortable letting him take potshots at scum for a few nights.

Or Maybe hes your Buddy?

[YogurtBandit]

Huh. Do you think that MBL is scum, YB? Why or why not?

Well, Im not positive it is, I just think the last comment could be a MBL-Guardian pairing there. So I do, but to a certain extent and only because of the last post.

[YogurtBandit]

What I find especially odd is that both Yogurt and Guardian are throwing away their votes on someone who has only 1 vote. Either one of them could give the other the 6th vote. They'd still have to ride out until the 10th, but honestly, I don't see why they haven't ended this yet. Maybe it would look bad, but even so, I'd do it if I was them...

1. You know why Im voting TCS. I wouldn't change to save myself, because I know I am vanilla, and If im close to being lynched, I will state my suspicons and etc. Mos also unvoted me, So If Guardian were to vote me now that would only be the 5th vote.

2.Are you trying to signal Guardian or something? It wont work now, but thats definetly something we should look at Day2.

[YogurtBandit]

Now there's an effective defense, Albert.

QFT.

[YogurtBandit]

An effective defense to an effective attack...

So you are saying "thats funny lol" is a effective defense? Xyzzys attack was genuine, and he hasnt even done the analysis yet.

[YogurtBandit]

I'm still waiting for his analysis.

Unvote, vote YogurtBandit

That's your reason for voting me?

Fos:ABR

[YogurtBandit]

I also dont make sense on why you would laugh if you are hiding something.

[YogurtBandit]

EBWOP: I also dont understand

cross out make snese on.

[YogurtBandit]

Albert, you are throwing a major hissy fit because someone is suspicous of you.Xyzzy did make sense. He said he thought you were scum. maybe you just dont want to understand that.

[YogurtBandit]

Albert, you are throwing a major hissy fit because someone is suspicous of you.Xyzzy did make sense. He said he thought you were scum. maybe you just dont want to understand that.

Confirm vote: YB

Yosarian said he made sense before he exposed his reasons, you quoted him for truth. Scummy as hell.

Um, I said Xyzzy made sense too. So stop trying to throw this arguement into your favor.

[YogurtBandit]

Unvote, Vote: Albert

Xyzzy's post made perfect sense:
-He pointed out that you claim to always play scummy
-He accurately stated that in spite of this claim, you have repeatedly given off

SEVERAL

scumtells
-He stated that the sheer volume of your scummy behavior cannot be excused by your earlier claim to "scummy play"



Now, you've gone and given off another gigantic scumtell via mass OMGUS. That's certainly enough for me.

1) I claim no such thing.

2) So have other players.

3) Once again, where did I claim I scummy play ?

This is baseless.

Oh man, wait till I find that quote.

[YogurtBandit]

Alright I'll soldier up then.

But I warn you not to blame me for all that anti-town behavior

when I'm found as townie. And don't judge me on this game's performance.

[YogurtBandit]

<snip>
I'm not asking you to believe I'm town.
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Albert, if you're not even asking us to, then why should we? :\. Statements like that really don't help you out at all.

I meant that I don't ask you to believe I'm town because I'm whining like a bitch and threatening to slit my wrists. I'm staying so I can help find scum, and that will be enough to prove me town or scum. Now gimme til monday.

???

[YogurtBandit]

Heh. We seem to be having a fundamental breakdown in communication, Albert.

Why did you not pursue more information regarding

Johhan

and choose to go after somebody

who was being suspected by somebody else

?

Double-posted that last one.

I don't want to bandwagon, bandwagonning is the means I use to gain information, being the end.

Also, how can I pursue it if he is inactive...?

Oh no.

I do not find I play scummy. Bandwagonning is a valid strategy to find scum.

[YogurtBandit]

You dont want to but you do???

[YogurtBandit]

An effective defense to an effective attack...

So you are saying "thats funny lol" is a effective defense? Xyzzys attack was genuine, and he hasnt even done the analysis yet.

Wrong.

[YogurtBandit]

Wrong.

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An effective defense to an effective attack...

This is a sarcastic comment directed at YB; sarcasm clearly indicated by saying that I defended myself effectively.

Nope, it was at yos.

So you are saying "thats funny lol" is a effective defense? Xyzzys attack was genuine, and he hasnt even done the analysis yet.

This is you taking things seriously and implying that xyzzys post required a defense.

I didnt say it required a defense, but I did take it seriously. regardless, thats funny lol is still a horrible defense.

[YogurtBandit]

YB = Yos

I DIDNT SAY YOU SAID IT REQUIRED A DEFENSE. I said you IMPLIED it did

Implied? No, I said Thats funny lol isnt a good defense.

I DID NOT DEFEND MYSELF BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING TO DEFEND AGAINST.

Blasphemy. You continue to throw a hissy fit over nothing at all.

Unvote, Vote:Albert B. Rampage

Fos:TCS

[YogurtBandit]

Saying that it isn't a good defense implies that it IS a defense, which implies that xyzzy's post needs a defense.

I win.

No, I was saying that if you think thats funny lol is a good defense then I said it wasnt, so you THINK that alll of the sudden it needs a defense.

[YogurtBandit]

Oh, I had voted Abr..

Unvote, Vote ABR

[YogurtBandit]

EBWOP: As did Guardian.

Abr is at -3.

[YogurtBandit]

So you admit being wrong, and regardless -no, maybe because of it- you vote for me. Well, I can expect 3 quick votes from players who want to finally end this damn day.

Bah, can't blame them.

WIFOM?