These wagons definitely point towards chamber scum.
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Glork (11) --undo, KublaiKhan/OGML, VitaminR, Green Crayons, Yosarian2, Albert B. Rampage, Untrod Tripod, DrippingGoofball,chamber, CrashTextDummie, mathcam
Seol/Bookitty (9) --Sotty7, Shanba, Cogito Ergo Sum,chamber, Untrod Tripod, Save the Dragons, petroleumjelly, MafiaSSK/mathcam, undo
These wagons definitely point towards chamber scum.
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I feel like this vote count is critical.
LoudmouthLee (3) -- Green Crayons, Yosarian2, petroleumjelly
Kublai Khan (1) -- MrBuddyLee
MafiaSSK (2) -- CrashTextDummie, undo
Bookitty (4) -- Sotty7, Shanba, Cogito Ergo Sum, chamber
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) -- MafiaSSK
petroleumjelly (5) -- Albert B. Rampage, Save the Dragons, VitaminR, LoudmouthLee, Bookitty
Porochaz (2) -- DrippingGoofball, Zorblag
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The scum are winning. Town replacements have an incredibly difficult time catching up and tend to give up and replace out rather than burden the town, which explains ika. I'm confident that slot is town.
VitaminR is undoubtedly the vig.
I'm town.
MBL is out of step with what's going on in this game. He thought that DGB was the scum out of DGB/STD. That is a big no-no if he were scum. STD's scum partners were eagerly awaiting the doctor to out themselves to get STD killed, and were ready to move in for the bus. MBL was just caught off-guard and didn't even think that STD was scum until the logic was pointed out to him.
This is it. I've broken the game. Town wins.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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VitaminR, just use your vig dude. I know we got this in the bag. We won. MBL needs to come aboard on this plan and we WON.
WE WON. FIVE MONTHS OF THIS GAME AND I FINALLY SEE THE LIGHT.
We've been at it since May. We wagoned Glork, PJ, Yosarian, all these famous players and got them all killed, and in the end, I'm still alive, and I found out all the scum. This is my moment. GLORY TO THE SIN'DOREI. WHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA THIS IS MY GAME. KILLING UNDO INSTEAD OF ME WAS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF YOUR MAFIASCUM CAREER. LOSE THIS GAME KNOWING THAT YOU'VE BEEN BEATEN BY THE BEST.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Look at my wikipedia. Five wins in a row. Coming into today, I was a broken soul. The odds were unfavorable. My hands were tied. VitaminR, if scum, could not decisively point to his partners, chamber, Bookitty, MBL, or Porochaz. I slowly accepted that this game would break my winning streak. I was ready to give up, put my hands up and surrender like the dido in white flag.
AND NOW. LOOK AT ME NOW.
THE SCUM ARE BROKEN. AAHAHHAHAHAHHAGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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These are my genuine emotions bottled up for months on end. I've had a love and hate relationship with this game. Being wrong about PJ, right about CES, right about DGB, wrong about OGML, it's been a roller coaster ride. I authentically feel like a large burden has been lifted from my shoulders. I can see clearly now. I see it, chamber.I understand.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Moving on from this point, my play is straightforward. The only chance scum has is of convincing MBL to return to his old way of thinking and get him to vote for me, or to persuade him to vote for ika. That is the slim chance that you've got, so I would concentrate all your energies on building a very convincing case on ika, or asking your buddy Porochaz to convince MBL to vote for me.
ika's not going to mess around, I'm sure he will make the decision. MBL has got to come around and see things my way so we can push the final nail into your collective coffin.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 3385, chamber wrote:I can show you the really awkward moment when LML tried to buddy me. It was the one thing he did that actually bothered me.
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In post 3810, Juls wrote:Bookitty/Seol
Possibly mafia with: GreenCrayons
Probably not mafia with: VitaminR (weak), Yosarian
The only notes I had on Seol was the thing I have already mentioned about STD saying there are scum in {pj, seol, poro, gc}. Also, I took note of the argument that CES made that Seol replacing out seems more in line with scum as she would have been excited to come back and play as town (would be invested) but as scum not as invested. I don't know Seol's meta but it was a reasonable argument to me.
Bookitty, however, has troubled me. The first thing I noted is that when she came into the game, she said LML was not scummy but then only a couple of hours later says he is high on her scumlist (or at least higher than SSK). Then even later that day he is null leaning scum. OK, I can probably let all that slide. A little inconsistent but it's ok. So then she started saying it's ok to lynch me. By the end of day one, I wasn't feeling good about the Bookitty slot (I have more notes on day one...will get to that in a second). Flash forward to day two. She says that she thought LML was crumbing role blocker. From that point I felt better about Bookitty. Things started making sense. Until I realized, that she had noted LML's crumb before she replaced in. Now I don't understand the chain of events and it feels like she used it as an excuse to not be on the LML wagon. The claim of VT and saying "go ahead and lynch me" bought her a lot of town cred. She may very well be town but I am viewing this with a very skeptical eye.
The few other notes from day one I have on Bookitty are her self deprecation. I have never played with Bookitty before so I don't know if this is normal for her or not. I also liked what pj noted here which was that Bookitty had referenced several times that she read pregame, she had read the thread again, reread the thread again but she hadn't posted anything of substance to that point. Then she did what I have called her behind the curtain posts. The first one I thought was good, it made me feel a little better about her but the second one just seemed to ramble and confused me. Later while reviewing my notes I realized that it was mostly game recap without any real analysis/conclusions drawn. There were a few but nothing that couldn't be summarized in a line or two.
The reason I have her as not scum with VitR was because post 499 where VitR asks chamber why he doesn't like Bookitty and basically agrees with everything she has said. It's weak though because it could be faked.
Also, if Bookitty were to flip scum I think this post will be a good one to revisit. She makes a lot of definitive statements about who is scum and who is town so we should look back here in that event. I look at it right now and it is not inline with some of my reads (such as listing Yosarian and mathcam as town) but to be fair, I have the benefit of 2 scum flips where she has none at this point.
One thing STD said did give me pause (that she might not be scum) though. In the post below, STD tried to stay on the Bookitty wagon instead of going back to LML. So they might not be buddies
In post 673, Save The Dragons wrote:If that were the only thing going for Bookitty, I'd stop voting for her, but again I'm not convinced that this absolves her of guilt and I'm not sure that she wouldn't do this as scum.
All in all, I would say I WANT to read Bookitty as town. She wouldn't be my first lynch choice but she certainly isn't obvtown. Also, I am not sure why I noted her as potential scum with GC but I am sure I will find it and explain when I do.
Read this again for more information, tell me if it's helpful.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Well done, scum.
I think that if it came down to me, MBL and final scum, MBL would vote for me anyway, so there wasn't really a winning solution. After MBL laid out his big post today, if he was town, we were done. chamber and VitR would be NK'd, then MBL would vote for me in final 3. I needed to get it over with now rather than later.
I needed my DGB around. VitaminR, chamber and MBL are the slowest voters ever, it was extremely annoying playing with you guys. We would wait forever, weeks on end, to get one of you to produce a meaningful vote, sometimes. I had enough.
Truth be told, if chamber, VitaminR or MBL had come out with a vote for Bookitty or Porochaz, maybe even ika, I would have sheeped them on it. I had a solid town read on chamber and VitR by the end. MBL I wasn't as sure of, but his final post caused me to vote for him as I didn't see any other way out for me or the town in a final 3 man showdown.
MBL, what the hell man. You've got most of the masons and the town telling you that I'm town, and you keep pushing me as scum. That was the only reason I thought you might be scum. You put a lot of effort into the game, and I could have seen you as town but for that.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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For MBL to remotely consider me as scum was unthinkable to me. He wrote that he could see me as scum, and all the other real scum were "meh" to him. So I was his top choice again. Again. After all these days, he never let go of his suspicion of me. So he had to be either scum, or town, but we lost.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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My biggest regret in this game, was letting Juls run a train through Yosarian who I had a town read on, and then voted with her in spite of everything. That really took the wind out of me. Then the slow pace of the game did it for me in the end.
The best moment was probably when we had an alliance going with DGB and were sure to win the game. We should have lynched Porochaz much, much sooner. LYLO was way too late.
If VitaminR would have claimed earlier, I could have made a push for Porochaz, as mathcam was townposting at the end. The problem with this game is that a lot of the lynches were done at deadline because VitR, chamber, MBL simply didn't vote for consensus targets or were V/LA.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 4576, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Where is the scum QT and why did people keep replacing out of that slot?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 4580, Bookitty wrote:I had the impression that more than a couple of townies thought you were scum, ABR.
No, it was just MBL. You and Porochaz were done. Only ika slipped.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 4522, Albert B. Rampage wrote:MBL has got to come around and see things my way so we can push the final nail into your collective coffin.
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Also, MBL/chamber/VitR take ages to do anything, which is why for me they are the worst possible candidates to stay until the endgame
Anyway, this was really fun.
Who is ready for an Oldy Mafia 3 that will last until Christmas?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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PS: Yosarian, I know that if you were in the endgame, you would have talked me into doing the right thing. chamber doesn't have much influence on me because he comes across as impotent and pouty. DGB would vote straight out the gate and make me sheep her. I think with any other players who know me better, we would have had a better chance, but in the end I had bad synergy with the other town players, who had good synergy between themselves. Ah well.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I think that your sportsmanship is even poorer, and your play was bad, but got carried by the excellent play of STD who deserves a lot of credit for the scum win. You, personally, Porochaz, don't have a clue what you're doing and relied on blind luck of the draw to pull this win at the end.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The fact that VitaminR didn't vig you was an enormity of a mistake that really hurt us. He didn't use all his vigs and the ones he did use robbed us of an additional day. He figured out the scum at the end, but I had no synergy in this game with him MBL or chamber.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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In post 4618, Bookitty wrote:This game is over now. Pointing fingers and insulting others for their play is really without a positive point and only serves to make people feel bad about what is just a game we are all here to play for fun.
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In post 4621, mathcam wrote:VitR: I really think not claiming yesterday was a mistake. I feel very confident we could've gotten the wagon to land on BooKitty had you not been a leading candidate
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In post 4623, mathcam wrote:ABR: I'm curious, who did you think the vig was? I thought it was clear that it was one of you or VitR, just by thinking of who could possibly have vigged GC, and your voting of VitR (and some comments you made about vigs all throughout the game) convinced me it was you.
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In post 4624, MrBuddyLee wrote:Attempting to stay positive. We had them dead to rights. Hell, the vig had called out the scumteam and had guaranteed chamber to be town 100%. All we had to do was talk it out.
Thanks, Patrick. Sorry Yos. Sorry, STD and Lee.
It was great to see you all again.
Talk it out = another month of discussion followed by a mislynch.
MBL, please, stop posturing, you called me scum and called the scum team meh. scum > meh.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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