NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[reinoe]

Hey. I don't think I've played with anyone here before so this will be a weird experience for me.

[reinoe]

Hey. I don't think I've played with anyone here before so this will be a weird experience for me.

/confirm derp.

[reinoe]

reinoe are you stalking me?

Be honest.

It's the Dick Tracy avatar. I can't resist.

[reinoe]

VOTE: TREE

Only burning down trees prevents forest fires.

[reinoe]

Setup
This game has a Day start.
This is a Closed Setup. Players won't know exactly which PRs are at play.
The game's 15:3:3 Fifteen Townies, three Red Scum, three Blue Scum.
There may be duplicate roles, and they can be either Town or Scum.
Scum do not have Daytalk. They may scheme in their QT thread at Night.
There may be a Neighborhood, or multiple Neighborhoods.
Roleblockers cannot be roleblocked.
Any role may be Town or Scum.
Mod is NOT infallible. If you suspect a mistake, please let me know via PM right away.
Should a Neighborhood be reduced down to one player, that QT link will be locked immediately, and remain hidden until game's end.

[reinoe]

Guys I have something. Gonna share it later. Bb

Would that happen to be that reinoe is a gambit-whore and needs an ASAP lynch?

I think the real question we should be asking is why haven't you updated your wiki page since early July

[reinoe]

@Elyse & Alina

Why do you think tn hasn't updated his mafiascum wiki?

@OkaPoka &TSO@Mirhawk

Should I perform a gambit this game?

[reinoe]

TSO because he's trying to figure out what we're dealing with regarding the setup

tn for the pl vote

I don't understand this. The setup is publicly available and I even posted the setup. There's nothing to "figure out", if anything it's a time wasting exercise to look busy.

[TSO, notscience]


Both scum.

[reinoe]

TSO because he's trying to figure out what we're dealing with regarding the setup

tn for the pl vote

I don't understand this. The setup is publicly available and I even posted the setup. There's nothing to "figure out", if anything it's a time wasting exercise to look busy.

[TSO, notscience]


Both scum.

Oh yeah, I forgot this...

VOTE: notscience

[reinoe]

omgusing in this case is a bit scummy. which is why I haven't used my vote on ape yet.

@reinoe, gambits are suicidal. remember lynch all liars?

A person doesn't have to lie to perform a gambit. Oh my no.

Elyse will be the deciding vote though because it's 1yes and 1no.

[reinoe]

everyone VS Reinoe.

[reinoe]

Ugh guys stop wondering. I saw Wake posting and earlier version of this setup. Everyone was in a neighboorhood there and there was something.in addition. I will kepp it.for myself tho.

This is a Closed Setup. Players won't know exactly what PRs are at play, if any.

Ugh ye this and something else bring me to the idea it's mountanious. Also Wake basically wants to make only mountanious games so.

Speculating about setup like a boss.

Will knowing more about the setup help us find scum? I thought the object of this was to find (and kill) the scum.

It is always useful!

wait, I thought you hated speculation?


what is mountainous?

Mountainous is when there are no PR's. It's just vanilla townies vs Vanilla goons.

[reinoe]

King: Majiffy

ooooohhhhh.

@MOD
Please confirm if Majiffy is going to be kingmaker this day.

[reinoe]

We're still chitchatting

No, the serious game has started.

What are your thoughts on notscience giving town cred to TSO for speculating on the setup when the setup is publicly available?

[reinoe]

reinoe you're next

Sorry I only self-vote when I'm raging at the town for speed mislynching me.

[reinoe]

We're still chitchatting

No, the serious game has started.

What are your thoughts on notscience giving town cred to TSO for speculating on the setup when the setup is publicly available?

ns gives towncred more lazily than his mother gives people the time doncha know

pedit: well then just give us the case on you then

I don't have time. I'm about to go to the store to buy a bottle of wine. I may do some drunken posting, and as OkaPoka knows, when I'm drunk, scum get lynched.

[reinoe]

i really wish you were more of a team player reinoe

I could have sworn I reached out to you in post 175 and you brushed me off.

[reinoe]

It's ok though because we're out of RVS! (Despite reinoe and co trying to keep us in it)

Now when you all realize that voting me for pressuring an RVS vote is stupid, we can get on with the game. If you seriously think scum would do this and try to ride it out to a lynch on RoyalApe, then lol ok.

lulz at the fakeness here.


VOTE: Elyse
[notscience, TSO, Elyse]

[reinoe]

The problem with lynching Reinoe is that his trolling isn't really alligent indicative. If it really becomes a problem later, then maybe we should consider it, but right now I still have a null read on him.

He's going to disrupt this game.

Either he disrupts day 1, 2 and 3 before he's lynched.

Or he disrupts 2 more pages.

I've been doing more scumhunting than 75% of the players this game.

[reinoe]

Fos: aeronaught, TSO

To say I'm fluffing up the game/being disruptive while ignoring psyche, TSO, tree, and majiffy is a remarkable display of blindness.

[reinoe]

Hey notscience,Alina, OkaPoka; which of these people are scum-hunting...

TSO/reinoe/psyche

[reinoe]

will anything come of it, though?
besides more "Look, ma! I'm scumhunting!"

We can always try...

VOTE: psyche

[reinoe]

Alright, NY177 has officially entered Signups.

Here's some current info:

Spoiler:

Game Rules

Game Timeline

• Day Phases will last two weeks.
  
• Night phases will last three days.

General Rules

• Do not quote your role PM or any other PM/QT communication from the mod or regarding any player in this game.
  ALL paraphrasing is A-OK.
  
• Do not contact any player in or outside of the game about the game.
  
• Do not use encrypted or hard-to-see text (including "invisible" text, text below the 50% text size option, or text hidden via BBCode (not including spoilered text).
  
• Don't accuse other players of cheating openly. Please PM the host your suspicions instead.
  
• Also, pretending to break a rule to fake or psyche out other players is the same as rulebreaking. You can lie and bluff all you want, otherwise.
  
• Play to your win condition (play to win.)
  
• If someone is modkilled, their alignment will change to “neutral survivor” and there will be no chance of them winning the game, even if their original faction wins.
  
• I reserve the right to change the rules at any time, including while the game is ongoing, although there will be a warning in-thread if this happens.
  
  
• I'll give each player three chances to not break the rules. 3 strikes, you're out. If you do this, you'll get modkilled, and your death scene won't be nice, either.
  
• Scum win when their numbers equal or exceed that of the Town's.

Activity

• If a player doesn't post in-game after a period of 72 hours and another player hasn't made a request, I will gently remind that player via PM with link.
  
• If a player is inactive after 3 days (72 hours), a prod will be given; the player has an additional 3 days to respond to the prod. Ignoring a prod = forced replacement. 3 prods = forced replacement.
  
• If a replacement isn't found within a week, that slot will be modkilled.
  
• Please keep an eye on your messages for PMs from the mod.
  
• If you are going to be absent for a specific period of time, please let me know ahead of time!

Votes and Lynching

• Votes must be in the format of
  VOTE: Player Name
  . Abbreviations, missing punctuation, and misspellings will be accepted as long as it is obvious to me who is being voted for. If I perceive it as a vote, it will count as a vote.
  
• Unvotes are not necessary to change a vote.
  
• A player will be lynched if a simple majority of the players have voted for that player. A lynch occurs when half of players + 1—rounded down—vote the same person.
  
• Once I have posted your death scene, you may not post.
  
• You may change your vote as many times as you wish.
  
• After a lynch has been made, all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post until I lock the thread. This is the “twilight” phase.
  
• If a majority of votes is not reached by deadline, there will be no lynch for that day.
  
• Anybody can vote not to lynch by saying
  VOTE: No Lynch
  /VOTE: No Lynch.
  
• Dead players stay dead, meaning they're not allowed a "bah" post.

Behavior

• Harassment of an individual player is NOT permitted. While this is a competitive game, no personal attacks will be tolerated.
  
• As said before, always play to your win condition. If you get yourself lynched, you'll lose next game.
  
• Do not discuss this game anywhere else with anyone else unless your role allows you to.
  
• Whatever you do, please don't replace out over hurt feelings. The game is what you make of it.

Setup

• This game has a Day start.
  
• This is a Closed Setup. Players won't know exactly which PRs are at play.
  
• The game's 15:3:3 Fifteen Townies, three Red Scum, three Blue Scum.

There may be duplicate roles, and they can be either Town or Scum.

Scum do not have Daytalk. They may scheme in their QT thread at Night.

There may be a Neighborhood, or multiple Neighborhoods.

Roleblockers cannot be roleblocked.

Any role may be Town or Scum.

Mod is NOT infallible. If you suspect a mistake, please let me know via PM right away.

Should a Neighborhood be reduced down to one player, that QT link will be locked immediately, and remain hidden until game's end.

Please read these rules one more time.

Sample Role PM:

Welcome to NY177! You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

Abilities

- You have your voice and your vote. Use them wisely.

Win Condition

- You win when all threats to the town are eliminated

[reinoe]

The same goes for psyche and tn5421. If they feel that strongly why did they join?

[reinoe]

answer my question reinoe

You haven't answered mine but...

I thought he was straight up lying.

Phone posting .

[reinoe]

I don't have any problem with reinoe as a person. I have a big playstyle problem.

Why did you join this game?

[reinoe]

I'm trying to get at least some more conversation going. There doesn't seem to be much going on besides Elyse VS Royal and everyone VS Reinoe.

Who won the elyse v royal thing?

And the EVERYONE v Reinoe thing?

I won that one when it got revealed that all three people advocating policy lynches joined this game after I did who. They're also posting more fluff and doing less scumhunting. That kind of cognitive dissonance coming from three separate players doesn't come often.

P:-edit...See the post 347 as an example.

[reinoe]

Finally home. Post 300 is complete shit but this part...

On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything,

needs explaining. How am I obfuscating my motivations? What motivations am I obfuscating?

[reinoe]

The fact that I am not in a newbie queue and have to walk you fucktards {TSO, Psyche} through this really obvious train of thought is embarrassing to you both as players.

Is it possible they're both scum? I'm not ruling anything out.

[reinoe]

stop the fighting

And start the lynchings!


VOTE: tree

[reinoe]

P-edit: And Reinoe jumping on the wagon... :/

I think tree is dodging this...

Finally home. Post 300 is complete shit but this part...

On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything,

needs explaining. How am I obfuscating my motivations? What motivations am I obfuscating?

[reinoe]

P-edit: And Reinoe jumping on the wagon... :/

I think tree is dodging this...

Finally home. Post 300 is complete shit but this part...

On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything,

needs explaining. How am I obfuscating my motivations? What motivations am I obfuscating?

oh god mod, could you please fix the tags in the above post...

[reinoe]

Lick my balls.

Red Pandas eat mostly bamboo, and may eat small mammals, birds, eggs, flowers and berries. In captivity, we are observed to eat birds, flowers, maple and mulberry leaves, and bark and fruits of maple, beech and mulberry trees.

[reinoe]

Mirhawk, would you place your vote on tree? It would be just super.

[reinoe]

trees lurking the wagon away and inability to answer for anything.

Agreed with this wholeheartedly. More votes on tree for town cred please.

[reinoe]

me no longer having unlimited time to spam this thread

I want to hear what TSO has to say about this.

[reinoe]

Why are people being given town cred for speculating on the setup?

There are few things that waste more time than set-up spec on day 1.

Wait until d3 or some scum flips.

[reinoe]

Not speculating on set up. Tree's gambit's necessitate that he is either lynched or investigated. Being that lynched is not specifically preferred, I suggest that he be investigated.
His gambits from a town mindset prove that he is Vanilla. His gambits show that he can neither DayVig, nor be mod confirmed. I can think of at least one inherently scum role that would encourage a player to act in a way that would cause them to be investigated, Can you?

That would be an interesting tactic by a godfather to be investigated. Fortunately tree is inherently scummy so we can determine his alignment by lynching him.

Phone post

[reinoe]

Is nobody going to comment on how Titus was using The Light to keep up-to-date on the game without being required to participate or having players meta her during and/or slightly after RVS?

I have no idea what the fuck

any

of this is. Or what Titus' whole "I am the light" post was about. I imagine that probably goes for everyone else who is ignoring it.

So why don't you go ahead and explain since you seem to grok it enough to have a problem with it?

Titus wanted to observe us to

gain reads without being required to give any information out in return

. In essence, getting something for nothing.

Titus has a fair idea of where we all stand on the current issues and yet we know NOTHING of Titus's reads on us.

If you can't see the problem with this then we might have a bigger problem on our hands.

And if she's a vig who doesn't want to tip off whom she's going to kill?

[reinoe]

there is nothing this post where you show that tree's vote is one of convenience
you are just preying on a player who by the point of this post is clearly not competent enough to defend himself

Sure, Psyche's posts are short. But there's a clear sense of alignment (town) and effort in them. On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything, trolling for the sake of trolling rather than actually just playing the game lightheartedly like Psyche is.

tree should have the competence to explain this painfully obvious false accusation and he should be able to elaborate on these "obfuscations" and "hidden motivations" he's alluding to. Don't forget that part when you chainsaw defend someone. There's more than one person voting for tree.

[reinoe]

Yeah, the hydra was Burning_TowN, with Burning_Earth.

Definitely not my best work.

I thought it was some of your best work.

[reinoe]

Yeah, the hydra was Burning_TowN, with Burning_Earth.

Definitely not my best work.

I thought it was some of your best work.

In this game you seem to have regressed to some of the things that have been getting you perpetually mislynched.

[reinoe]

@reinoe: such as?

Your pushes. Your pushes defy logic and internal consistency. For example in your Hope+1 game (open 558) it looked often like you just wanted to lynch someone but your reasons never seemed strong or reasonable.

[reinoe]

And I'm seeing it this game.

You want to lynch me for being a "gambit whore". Ok, except...here are the people who have performed gambits or made fakeclaims...


2x tree
Majiffy
Titus vis TheLight (not posting to see what happens)

Yet you're pushing my lynch (or at least you were) and you insist that I'm going to perform a gambit any minute now. There's no consistency to your suspicion of me and you're not outlining what, if anything I've done this game.

[reinoe]

And I'm seeing it this game.

You want to lynch me for being a "gambit whore". Ok, except...here are the people who have performed gambits or made fakeclaims...


2x tree
Majiffy
Titus vis TheLight (not posting to see what happens)

Yet you're pushing my lynch (or at least you were) and you insist that I'm going to perform a gambit any minute now. There's no consistency to your suspicion of me and you're not outlining what, if anything I've done this game.

"what, if anything I've done this game that's scummy"

[reinoe]

@Reinoe, I don't strategically lurk. I was dealing with a critical real life issue. I was "lurking" in each and every game and forced replaced from a few. I don't have opinions on anything before my first post beyond reactionary shit. For instance, I really want to vote Okra not for anything they did because NS is avoiding voting for them despite having a supposed scumread on them and they are the second largest wagon. WTF.

ok, I misspoke when I said you were not posting to see what happens. That was a misunderstanding on my part.

[reinoe]

You want to lynch me for being a "gambit whore". Ok, except...here are the people who have performed gambits or made fakeclaims...


2x tree
Majiffy
Titus vis TheLight (not posting to see what happens)

I have neither gambited nor fakeclaimed.

King: Majiffy

You're right you were on the receiving end. Thanks.

[reinoe]

And I'm seeing it this game.

You want to lynch me for being a "gambit whore". Ok, except...here are the people who have performed gambits or made fakeclaims...


2x tree
Majiffy
Titus vis TheLight (not posting to see what happens)

Yet you're pushing my lynch (or at least you were) and you insist that I'm going to perform a gambit any minute now. There's no consistency to your suspicion of me and you're not outlining what, if anything I've done this game.

I'm actively voting tree. I'm not terribly happy with majiffy or Titus right now, and you've seen me take a stance on Titus.
Not sure exactly what Majiffy did to be honest, mind quoting it at me?

That was a mistake on my part. It was notscience and not majiffy.

notscience faked turning majiffy into a kingmaker.

[reinoe]

VOTE: tn

[reinoe]

Sorry Psyche, I'm in a car on my phone. I find it more productive to make shorter posts and separate quotes.

You should text and drive on the freeway.

[reinoe]

VOTE: tn

You can always feel free to vote him.

I am voting him. The question is: why isn't everyone voting him?

[reinoe]

tree if you're not going to play just replace out

Mmm, dat buddy mad that his partner gave up.

we are both town

How do you know he's town? And why would you say that?

[reinoe]

Again, every time I call out someone with extremely shitty and fabricated looking reasons for me being scum, the person just responds with "THAT'S OMGUS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT *I'M* SUPPOSED TO BE SCUMREADING *YOU*"!

how is that acceptable?

I checked your ISO, and the number of times you express suspicion on tn=0.

[reinoe]

No psyche it's okay let then chain lynches

In fact let them chain lynch you for whiteknighting me

I mean we both -know- the other is town

But we'll be much happier dead and laughing at the town

you have no idea how much i want to flake

Is that because your scumteam is imploded in spectacular fashion?

[reinoe]

Jesus Christ I have already had and won this argument why don't you go reread.

The argument is not won until Tree is lynched. I'm actually in agreement with Aeronaut on Tree's behavior so far. Seems noob town.

Hey Titus, what I'm seeing is the newbscum behavior from Mini-Normal 1579.

Making accusations that can't be backed up...
trying to lurk away suspicion...
giving responses that continually don't make any sense...

[reinoe]

tree...

is English not your primary language?

[reinoe]

Reinoe can you link that game?

Here's the game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=57502

But what I'm really noticing is tree's behavior being similar to Josh_B's in that game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1

[reinoe]

Neither does anyone else. Except for {Psyche, Aero, farside}.

Hm.

And me.

@reinoe
Yeah I was there, I'm not seeing the similarities.

Whatever though, Tree's going to flip town and everyone on his wagon's just going to shrug and say it was because he was scummy.

Really? hmmm...

[reinoe]

@Josh, Reinoe, Titus, TSO, & Elyse.
Is it just me or is notsci doing the same thing reinoe was doing to titus in mini 1579?

Let me check...

[reinoe]

It worked really good as titus was on a super egotrip that game.

It has a similar vibe. What's different is that Titus and I were independently coming up with ideas and then backing each other up. NS is just being completely submissive though. Titus and I were buddying each other. N.S. is just buddying Majiffy and it doesn't seem to be going the other way.

[reinoe]

Unvote

My scumreads all suck

It's ok to vote tree. We need the firewood.

[reinoe]

Royal, do me a favor.

Who does Aero want lynched?

Why does aero want them to be lynched?

This is a good question.

[reinoe]

Vote Count 1.6

Tree (4):

tn5421, reinoe, OkaPoka, mirhawk

Aeronaut (4):

T S O, Psyche, notscience, Majiffy

OkaPoka (3):

Gameplay506, Alina, Titus

Aeronaut (3):

Shaddowez, Elyse, texcat

tn5421 (2):

PeregrineV, Farside22

notscience (1):

Aeronaut

texcat (1):

Aegor

Elyse (1):

Josh_B

Titus (1):

Tree

Not Voting (1):

RoyalApe

~ With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch!
~ Deadline expires 9/3/14, @8am central.

1.1 | 1.2 | 1.3 | 1.4 | 1.5

Aeronaught having two different wagons is perhaps the most awesome thing to happen this game.

[reinoe]

Reinoe what is your read on Aero?

I haven't forgotten about this...

[reinoe]

Finally home. Post 300 is complete shit but this part...

On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything,

needs explaining. How am I obfuscating my motivations? What motivations am I obfuscating?

tree is scum. Why is he lobbing accusations at players without backing it up? It's not like I haven't been prodding him for an answer. What's the town motivation for accusing somebody like this and then not explaining it? But not only is he not explaining it, he's trying to lurk away and hope I forget about this shit. No sir, you don't get to accuse me of this and then run away from your accusation. More votes on tree.

gameplay, I still haven't forgotten about your request.

[reinoe]

I don't think the odds of Tree flipping scum are all that great, he feels like lynchbait.

Though I suppose if we don't lynch him we're going to have to go through this song and dance again tomorrow.

Alright

Vote
Lynch: Tree

Another awful vote. Like both of Mir's votes on tree and Aero look like Mir is making a compromise on who to vote. Not liking this at all.

All votes on tree are good votes.

[reinoe]

As long as each votee has the correct voters' votes, I'm fine with the Vote Counts.

But for players who do vote count analysis, vote placement will be of significant importance.

[reinoe]

Well, since you people have made it glaringly obvious, yea. Thank you, role fish.

Can we lynch tree now?

[reinoe]

Fuckin shitty elyse. Are you happy now? Ffs.

VOTE: gameplay

"I'm scum and I know Aero is a Town PR for sure so I'm going to make this angry-sounding post for towncred"

We can lynch tree. Really we can. We just need to have the will.

[reinoe]

Well, since you people have made it glaringly obvious, yea. Thank you, role fish.

Can we lynch tree now?

Tree's trying though. He's helping town more than Oka, because Oka won't give an opinion.

P-edit:

Possibly...but I have to take into account someone who might be a PR and lying low. That's why it's not just helping town...who's HURTING TOWN.

tree has done things to hurt town and continues to do so. I'm not convinced he's done anything to help town.

[reinoe]

It's for the best to out the entire hood at his point.

[reinoe]

Alright, fuck this sitting here and twiddling our thumbs.

I am a Town-Aligned Gunsmith. I investigate a person every night, and then I get either "Gun" or "No Gun". That is my role., it's sort of lame.

Gunsmith is kinda kickass. It's like a weaker version of a cop because it detects vigs.

Also phone posting.

[reinoe]

Spoiler: setup spec. Spoilered for people who aren't interested in that sort of thing

I think this game is multiball. This game was originally approved for multiball. If this game is vastly different from the original setup then it would have gone back through the review process.

[reinoe]

Did you know gunsmiths won't detect mafia doctors?

[reinoe]

Hold on, did Titus hammer me?

Who else is in your neighborhood.

[reinoe]

Gameplay, you've been calling the aeronaught wagon scummy. Who's the scum on the wagon?

[reinoe]

I just got done with Alice In Wonderland, a large theme with multiple neighborhoods. Town lost directly because there was no scum hunting within the neighborhoods.

I'm paranoid by gameplay's chainsaw defense of Aero and the complete unwillingness to out the third member.

But if we aren't lynching aero we need to lynch tree.

Titus' reaction to the claim isn't scummy to me.

[reinoe]

>.>

Oh hey, notscience, you were in that Alice In Wonderland game. What are are your thoughts on Gameplay and Aeronaught (and the mysterious third member) treating their neighborhood like a masonry?

[reinoe]

Who feels like singing Village People to Aero?


Aero needs to die. Tonight. He is important scum.

Can we prod PV?

I find it hard to believe you changed your mind so quickly because I said my role was lame. Are you afraid I'll see your gun?

If I were a gunsmith I'd pop a boner so hard I'd be dizzy after reading my role pm and each time after.

[reinoe]

@Aero You quoted it lol.

Did you breadcrumb anywhere or?

There is five people in the neighborhood. I don't think that information hurts us in any way, so there's no reason for me not to share it.

Five player neighborhood??? This shit is almost laughable.

If you are one of more than four Neighbors, it is nearly certain that at least one representative of every anti-town faction is in the Neighborhood.

I'll bestow conftown status to the person who outs all five people in the neighborhood.

[reinoe]

Reinoe what is that a quote from?

It comes directly from the mafiascum wiki.

[reinoe]

Hey, for the sake of my own sanity can you clarify this...

because wake edited that phrase into the wiki once this setup was approved

ok

[reinoe]

Reinoe, the sarcasm could not be any heavier.

I wonder why you seem to take everything so seriously when you so often are a troll yourself.

Because I can dish it out but can't take it. And before my mind was blown I did ask first.

[reinoe]

Spoiler: setup spec so spoilers...

tree you are up to be lynched
be careful what you call shit

By the way, can you give me your current thoughts on Aero+wagon? Believe it or not, I hold your reads in a somewhat high regard.

It's hard to tell until I get a flip or a confirmation.

What would it take to prove Aero is scum short of a CC?

Since I highly suspect this game is multiball, we should just let the gunsmith claim be. The other scum team is very likely to kill him. Let's lynch tree please.

[reinoe]

What actual

benefit

is there in town knowing the Neighborhood members?

Cross referencing our own scumreads. You say it's a bad scumhunting technique but it's another tool. Furthermore it's not masons. Scum, if there are any, will know who's in the entire neighborhood. This means that scum will have information that town won't.

[reinoe]

Why isnt tree dead yet?

Because his scum buddies are running interference on his behalf.

[reinoe]

Reinoe what is your read on Aero?

Leans scum.
His pushes seem insincere. It seems like he's just pushing to see what sticks and then moves on.

Everyone who's townreading tree please explain why besides "lol newbtown". It's pretty clear at this point tree is an alt or hydra.

[reinoe]

If I remember correctly (I do):

Jesus Christ I have already had and won this argument why don't you go reread.

The argument is not won until Tree is lynched. I'm actually in agreement with Aeronaut on Tree's behavior so far. Seems noob town.

Hey Titus, what I'm seeing is the newbscum behavior from Mini-Normal 1579.

Making accusations that can't be backed up...
trying to lurk away suspicion...
giving responses that continually don't make any sense...

Reinoe can you link that game?

Here's the game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=57502

But what I'm really noticing is tree's behavior being similar to Josh_B's in that game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1

Your case is inconsistent and you're scrambling for reasons to try and call me scum.

That was before this happened...

MafiaScum wiki is always right.



That quote was written and applied more for a time when and games when one set of neighbors was/are the norm. It isn't nearly as applicable in games where there are multiple neighborhoods, because the mod will take that expectation and choose to manipulate it or not at his or her will. Look at any of the many recent large games that have featured multineighborhood setups, with all town neighborhoods often existing.

That's not the commentary of a newb.

And I've been scumreading you for dodging this for over 60+ pages.

Finally home. Post 300 is complete shit but this part...

On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything,

needs explaining. How am I obfuscating my motivations? What motivations am I obfuscating?

[reinoe]

I agree with OkaPoka. He makes some very good points.

[reinoe]

Finally home. Post 300 is complete shit but this part...

On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything,

needs explaining. How am I obfuscating my motivations? What motivations am I obfuscating?

I was commenting on your early game, specifically your noncontent or "trolly" posts. I couldn't get a read on them. Looking back in your ISO now, I realize I assumed from your typical behavior that you were doing more of the same here (I'm not a big fan of your posting habits elsewhere), and the few troll posts I saw are just that, few.

And as I just said, I didn't and still don't know what motivations you were and potentially still are obfuscating.

Post-edit: This is kind of what I meant though. I cannot tell if you are trolling and being a little shit or being serious and just willfully horrible. Consequently it's making it much harder for me to read you because I cannot seem to get around your attitude to make sure I'm being accurate and unbiased.

Are you Dr. Pants?

[reinoe]

Finally home. Post 300 is complete shit but this part...

On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything,

needs explaining. How am I obfuscating my motivations? What motivations am I obfuscating?

I was commenting on your early game, specifically your noncontent or "trolly" posts. I couldn't get a read on them. Looking back in your ISO now, I realize I assumed from your typical behavior that you were doing more of the same here (I'm not a big fan of your posting habits elsewhere), and the few troll posts I saw are just that, few.

And as I just said, I didn't and still don't know what motivations you were and potentially still are obfuscating.

Post-edit: This is kind of what I meant though. I cannot tell if you are trolling and being a little shit or being serious and just willfully horrible. Consequently it's making it much harder for me to read you because I cannot seem to get around your attitude to make sure I'm being accurate and unbiased.

Are you Dr. Pants?

Research indicates that this is impossible...

[reinoe]

Um what?

Aren't gunsmiths town aligned

? Also this sounds really reckless.
.

This is exactly what I was worried about. Gameplay is treating the neighborhood like a masonry.

Setup
This game has a Day start.
This is a Closed Setup. Players won't know exactly what PRs are at play, if any.
There may be duplicate roles, and they can be either Town or Scum.
Scum do not have Daytalk. They may scheme in their QT thread at Night.
There may be a Neighborhood, or multiple Neighborhoods.
Roleblockers cannot be roleblocked.

Any role may be Town or Scum.

Mod is NOT infallible. If you suspect a mistake, please let me know via PM right away.
Should a Neighborhood be reduced down to one player, that QT link will be locked immediately, and remain hidden until game's end.
If a 1-Shot ability is used, and that player is roleblocked, he or she will have used up the shot.

[reinoe]

Someone can investigate aero too. So

Or, you could use your fucking neighborhood like it was designed for and you could investigate Aeronaught.

[reinoe]

Someone can investigate aero too. So

Or, you could use your fucking neighborhood like it was designed for and you could investigate Aeronaught.

Oh reinoe I guess you are pro. Now pls tell me how to investigate him cus I don't know.

1)First thing you wanna do is sub out...
2)then let somebody who knows how to play mafia into your slot
3)person who knows how to play mafia proceeds to investigate Aeronaught

really simple.

[reinoe]

Ok now so reinoe how should I investigate Aero in the nb ? Why don't you show me how to investigate him, by investigating him yourself here in the thread. I will take notes if needed.

I think the above post confirms that there's 0 scumhunting going on in the neighborhood.

[reinoe]

I need to get to reading you and look more at your interactions together as well as try to decipher the tree train before I'm ready to judge anybody in relation to it.

You said you were going decipher the tree train. What about tree itself? Could you put your vote there?

[reinoe]

multiple factions is confirmed?

well if there is a neighborhood. but I haven't seen anyone else admit to being in it. I guess the neighborhood doesn't really qualify as a separate faction.
But if someone slipped, say Gameplay or Aero, about there being a second thread open for the game, A gunsmith could check to see if the outed participants have guns and confirm or deny that the neighborhood exists.

It seems really odd that the gunsmith would actually be in the neighborhood, it takes away from the integrity of the investigations. A cop would have to investigate, a role cop would have to investigate, or a watcher/tracker would have to confirm him. It couldn't be someone else in the neighborhood, especially if there is a possibility of scum in the neighborhood.

Your reasoning is flawed. A neighbor can also have any other PR.

[reinoe]

@MOD

V/LA TILL THE 2ND

[reinoe]

Spoiler: setup spec so spoilers...

tree you are up to be lynched
be careful what you call shit

By the way, can you give me your current thoughts on Aero+wagon? Believe it or not, I hold your reads in a somewhat high regard.

It's hard to tell until I get a flip or a confirmation.

What would it take to prove Aero is scum short of a CC?

Since I highly suspect this game is multiball, we should just let the gunsmith claim be. The other scum team is very likely to kill him. Let's lynch tree please.

[reinoe]

@Majiffy&Titus...

please. Let's compromise here. Put your votes on tree. We all know that if Aeronaught is town he's getting killed tonight. If he's scum he's also probably getting killed tonight.

[reinoe]

Ok just a heads up, the meds I am taking for back pain are not working. If you demand rapid response from me, I will sub out. Please do not joke about this.


No Reinoe. Tree is town.

I'm sorry to hear about your back. I hope you get well soon.

[reinoe]

I have struggled reading all of the posts and I believe Titus when she says (over and over and over again) that she

knows

that Aero is going to flip scum. If I find out that she lied about knowing, my next vote will be easy.

VOTE: Aeronaut

The above post is really fucking scummy.

Phone post.

[reinoe]

Is anyone townreading texcat?

[reinoe]

VOTE: texcat

[reinoe]

not trying to work with people or anything

Work with me here and help me lynch texcat (

or tree if it comes to that

)

[reinoe]

ill prob read stuff later tonight or tomorrow

skimmed noddy imploding and loled a little

You've replaced into a scum slot.

Discuss.

not much to discuss then, is there?

suppose all I can do is try to lurk away the suspicion and try not to make associations with my buddies or something, I guess?

Would you put your vote on texcat or tree?

texcat obscummed himself pretty badly in post 2153.

tree has been a more gradually revealing himself as scum.

[reinoe]

~ Deadline expires 9/3/14, @8am central.

Mod, could "the deadline is tomorrow" apply to some other situation or game?

Like maybe your timesheet is due tomorrow? Or maybe the final day to register for class is tomorrow?

[reinoe]

We've had a consensus on Tree for quite a while now.

Have you even addressed any of the arguments against you?

He did try to feebly explain his 60+ page dodge of my questions but I found them wholly unsatisfactory.

[reinoe]

We do not have a consensus on Tree. Tree is town.

1) I'm remembering Titus' play from "How Do You Want To Die". She was scum and rational.

2) I'm remembering Titus' play from "The Great Flavor Caper". She was town and moonlogical.

3) I'm remembering Titus' play from "Diffusion of Power:Open 559". She was town, stubborn and tunnely.

5) Titus has the unfortunate habit of buddying scum when she's town (no offense but it's true). If she's saying tree is town then I'm like @tree.

[reinoe]

STUFF

Thank god your here...

I need to get to reading you and look more at your interactions together as well as try to decipher the tree train before I'm ready to judge anybody in relation to it.

You said you were going decipher the tree train. What about tree itself? Could you put your vote there?

[reinoe]

@Titus&Aegor.

It would be super awesome if you guys updated your wiki's. Thanks.

Also I have a town lean on TN.

[reinoe]

It's hard to change as big as you have overnight. It is possible. Thst is why you weren't suspect numero uno.

If you really want a challenge try maintaining three different play styles in three different games.

I'm a little concerned at the lack of resistance to the texcat wagon, although josh did have that clumsy "thanks for making yourself look town" comment.

Tree's been getting hard defended but I'm fairly certain he's scum. If he is then he's partners with aero but not Titus.

[reinoe]

Also Rei-rei, you never answered my question.

I know. I'm waiting until closer to deadline to answer.

[reinoe]

why

Because of reasons.

[reinoe]

There is no reason whatsoever to keep texcat alive. The fact that several counterwagons,

several of which have led to PR claims

, have formed while the texcat wagon carries on without leading to a lynch should be a huge tipoff.

He has claimed VT. Someone explain to me how any of this makes any sense.

What I find quite remarkable is that texcat claims vanilla. There's no counterwagon formed after the claim on marquis or Oka (I think Oka is derptown). Texcat doesn't gets lynched after the VT claim; instead a new random wagon forms on you. Your wagon formed VERY quickly as well.

[reinoe]

All of that is ultimately irrelevant and probably seems like me trying to

defend my fakeclaim

.

fakeclaim

VOTE: Aegor

[reinoe]

jesus fuck misreps are all you do huh

What's the proper reaction to someone saying that? It's not a rhetorical question. I really have no idea what other possible way I could react.

[reinoe]

ignore everything until you see something that fits your narrow POV!!

You're ignoring 2703 where I defended Aegor.

[reinoe]

it's one false "scumslip" in

a sea of towntells

Aegor (7):

zMuffinMan, Elyse, Psyche,

Marquis,

Josh_B, texcat, OkaPoka

Fuck it!!!! Fuck all the wagons except this one...

VOTE: marquis

[reinoe]

it's one false "scumslip" in

a sea of towntells

Aegor (7):

zMuffinMan, Elyse, Psyche,

Marquis,

Josh_B, texcat, OkaPoka

Fuck it!!!! Fuck all the wagons except this one...

VOTE: marquis

Explain...

It's like you said: "a sea of towntells"??? That's some over the type hyperbole for someone marquis was voting for earlier.

What's a sea of towntells? Aegor's one post? Aegor's entire ISO? marquis vote does not line up with that post at all.

[reinoe]

Aegor is a shit lynch. marquis/tree ain't happenin'.

VOTE: texcat

[reinoe]

Well that eliminates any doubt that Titus and Marquis are scum. They're both town.

OkaPoka wagon can't dissolve fast enough.

p:edit. I don't think so Mirhawk.

[reinoe]

Well that eliminates any doubt that Titus and Marquis are scum. They're both town.

Explain this to me?

I said earlier that the person who reveals the neighborhod is conftown. Titus revealed the neighborhood and Marquis did an analysis of his neighborhood's status.

Neither one had to do that. Where I'm standing, scum already know the neighborhood/s so revealing the nature of the neighborhoods gives town a crap ton of info that scum otherwise already have. Revealing the conversations that happen in the neighborhood is a very pro-town thing to do.

[reinoe]

Marquis, is there a rule about quoting what's in the QT? Because usually you're not allowed to do that. Just paraphrase please.

[reinoe]

FYI, the maximum characters in a post is 200,000.

......is there any special reason that you know that?

Yes, I received the message when trying to respond to reinoe's scumpost above.

Why don't you explain what's scum about it?

[reinoe]

The knowledge of the 5 person hood with gameplay/Aero/etc. was put out there.

The 2nd neighborhood, which you would have known nothing about because it was never mentioned until 2757. So how you can call the person outting the previously unknwon neighborhhod town when you didn't even know it is.....incredible.

Wrong. I'm holding the same standard for outing the unknown neighborhood that I did the first neighborhood: outing the members makes Titus town and Marquis town.

Also, Prior to that when the gameplay/Aero neighborhood was brought up, you were pretty adamant it had scum without even knowing who was in it.

Yep. Following forum conventions I was pretty sure it had scum in it.

p=6184694#p6184694]post 2811[/url], PeregrineV"]so there is no telling what they talked about pre-game, but if scum checked in late and didn't get to talk about their neighborhood membership, scum may not have known. But they do now.[/quote]
I find your scenario here convoluted and unlikely. Or maybe you're expecting some spectacularly lazy scum?

[reinoe]

Hey RoyalApe, could you stop posting in other areas and do something in this game?

[reinoe]

Also Rei-rei, you never answered my question.

OK, so now that it's closer to deadline...

I asked tn to update his wiki page. He did it. This made it a lot easier to do a meta-read on him.

[reinoe]

Well aegor was telling the truth...

VOTE: Oka poka

[reinoe]

Well aegor was telling the truth...

VOTE: Oka poka

I'm being a bit reckless, even for me. Scum teams can't let all these PRs run around. More when I get home.

[reinoe]

Well aegor was telling the truth...

VOTE: Oka poka

I'm being a bit reckless, even for me. Scum teams can't let all these PRs run around. More when I get home.

UNVOTE: oka poka

[reinoe]

But I'd prefer the lynch Reinoe or Titus right now.

I'll update my scumreads later.

Fuck you and your righteous indignation. We all fucked up the vote count at the end of the day. A lot of people tried to counterwagon onto tex, including yourself. Don't waggle your finger at anybody.

[reinoe]

Well aegor was telling the truth...

VOTE: Oka poka

I'm being a bit reckless, even for me.

Scum

teams can't let all these PRs run around. More when I get home.

Wait wut

Exactly what I said. I still think it's multiball and I think the scum teams can't continue to let non-cc pr's run around. That's why I unvoted.

[reinoe]

OK, I'm home.

1st) Josh did you roleblock anyone? If not why not? If so whom and why?

2nd) Oka, same questions with your doctor. Whom did you protect and why?

I know TSO and Elyse intended to switch to Texcat.

Spoiler: What The VC would have been...

Aegor (3): zMuffinMan, texcat, RoyalApe
texcat (12): Aegor, Mirhawk, tn5421, Alina,T S O,

psyche,

marquis

,

shaddowez, reinoe, notscience,

Elyse(Would Have Been The Hammer Vote)

,

Oka Poka

OkaPoka (2): Aeronaut, Gameplay506
Marquis (1): Majiffy
Psyche (1): Titus
reinoe (1): PeregrineV



Red indicates people who switched their votes after the official hammer. Not including TSO and Mirhawk because they were already voting texcat.


My preliminary instincts is that RoyalApe's switch is terrible as is Peregrine's pointless vote. The vast majority of people who were voting Aegor switched to texcat because Aegor's wagon was a shit wagon that came out of nowhere.

However the fact that texcat was on Aegor and was the counterwagon doesn't look good for him. Also RoyalApe switch+not posting at all in the neighborhood+posting in other areas while not posting here is creating a lot of suspicion in my eyes on his slot.

I wouldn't be surprised if texcat and royalape are on the same team. They're both individually scummy.

RE: Elyse and TSO. Those are both fucking terrible kills on one hand. They're also good kills because they didn't hit any of our PR's.

@Mirhawk, Marquis &Titus
Could you go over my VC and tell me what you think? Did I miss something or misinterpret anything?

[reinoe]

That being said, Serial Killers do not have guns. I guess they have knives or something? I don't know. Either way, Titus isn't part of scumteam, unless there's some weird gunless mafia role I forgot about.

I still don't really trust her, is the problem. She's being overly aggressive/defensive, throughout the game, something I feel like an SK would be more inclined to do since they don't really have buddies to back them up.

I feel like we should look into the TSO death a little more. I don't understand that kill. Elyse was pretty town, but TSO was just being sheepy. I want more closure on that.

And yea, our neighborhood has four people, not five. My b.

Serial Killers

Do not have guns.

Mafia Doctors

do not have guns.

Werewolves

do not have guns.

I'm fine with treating Titus as if she were town. The scum team absolutely cannot risk having someone who is strongly indicated to be town town run around at this point, let alone the number of PR's we've got.

People I'm willing to wagon...

RoyalApe, Textcat, marquis.

VOTE: textcat

[reinoe]

I was on aegor's wagon till he claimed.


And you know that. My question is why aren't you dead.

1)Either the scum team is completely incompetent

2)or every fucking claim was scum.

Titus can still die.

@Mod hypothetically if a gunsmith investigated a cop would the result come in as guilty or not guilty?

Since, it might be awhile before wake chimes in...
Cops have guns...
Gunsmiths have guns...
mafia have guns (unless they're also a doctor, then they don't have guns)...
whether a mafia traitor has a gun is up to the mod...
Vigilante's have guns...
Paranoid Gun Owners have guns.

[reinoe]

Or the scum team are going frame town.

If scum team is trying to frame anyone then put that in the "incompetence" file.

[reinoe]

TITUS IS TOWN I AM JUST INCREDIBLY MAD AT HER.

MAYBE I WILL JUST USE CAPS LOCK UNTIL YOU GIVE IN BECAUSE I AM 100% RIGHT ON THIS.

PEDIT: VOTE: AERONAUT

THIS DIES NOW.

That vote is costing you towncred f.y.i. You're gonna have to explain that real good.

[reinoe]

Cops have guns IRL not in mafia. Gunsmiths have guns IRL, not in mafia.

Gunsmith

The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.

[reinoe]

Wake answer the question I posted ASAP. It appears idiots got ahold of the wiki.

Gunsmith

This page was last modified on 5 August 2011, at 18:31.

Titus if you have a gun just say so and Aeronaught gets hyperlynched.

[reinoe]

VOTE: Aeronaut

I am not buying Texcat scum. Aeronaut has lied.

Activate Hyperlynch...

VOTE: Aeronaut

[reinoe]

BTW, before aeronaught gets super turbo hyperlynch fighter 2...

whom did you protect with your doctor ability and why?

[reinoe]

BTW, before aeronaught gets super turbo hyperlynch fighter 2...

whom did you protect with your doctor ability and why?

@okapoka

[reinoe]

Ok tn isn't as nearly as bad as Oka or Psyche. Now Oka or Psyche. I am thinking Psyche.

Pedit: Titus why should I sheep you?

Because Lynch all liars and stuff


Anyways we get one scum out of all of this

I protected Josh because he is pr and is strongest town player

and here

Thanks. Can't believe I missed it twice.

[reinoe]

Can we do this speculation after the flip?

[reinoe]

Alright. This wasn't my finest hour.

Sorry team, I'll be rooting for you in the dead QT.

Imma go cry softly now

That doesn't mean anything to me.

[reinoe]

Can we do this speculation after the flip?

Yea, I could totes still be town.

No, you can't. I just want to wait till the flip.

[reinoe]

{Marquis, Reinoe,

Gameplay,

Psyche, Ape}

Probably contains all of the remaining scum.

Majiffy's scum. This is easy.

[reinoe]

BTW, josh_B: whom did you roleblock and why?

[reinoe]

{Marquis, Reinoe,

Gameplay,

Psyche, Ape}

Probably contains all of the remaining scum.

Majiffy's scum. This is easy.

Supercoolstory.

I know right? Who else would put a cop clear in their scum list besides scum?

[reinoe]

The first game day took forever and this one is flashing by. We're at L-1 already?!

We can lynch this tomorrow.

[reinoe]

It's ok I wanted to vote for Aero yesterday but didn't feel motivated. We all have regrets from day one I think.

Anyway. I really look forward to pushing a RoyalApe lynch tomorrow.

He spends a lot of day one actively lurking, posting in other areas and not here. His only public contribution so far today was "omg can't believe day 2 is almost over" instead of the reads list he promised Alina. Unless someone can confirm he's towning it up in the neighborhood chat I think he's a good candidate for tomorrow.

[reinoe]

Twilight is now.

Twilight after the lynch confirmation instead of going straight to night phase. I think there's a governor out there.

[reinoe]

Ok I am already the slave master of my neighborhood.

Royal shouldn't be lynched. Lynching a lurker is a shitty exuse to lynch ( waste a lynch).

Well there's lurking and then there's not trying to solve the game and flying under the radar, which is what it looks like RoyalApe is doing.

[reinoe]

@mod

Can we please not be in twilight anymore. It's bad enough that the night phase is 72hrs.

[reinoe]

{Marquis, Reinoe, Gameplay, Psyche, Ape}

Probably contains all of the remaining scum.

Yo Majif...

Is this a joke post or serious post.

[reinoe]

Psyche

started off extremely not helpful, with distractions and the such. However, he has lately come to his senses and is one of the people questioning the tree votes. I'll talk about my exact thoughts about the tree wagon below.

Psyche

was providing a hell of a lot of apathy in the beginning of this game, but he's slowly come out of the shadows lately and is using some real logic.

Oh Aeronaught. Listing Psyche as both null and leaning town...

VOTE: Psyche

[reinoe]

btw, did RoyalApe town in the fuck up in the neighborhood?

[reinoe]

Um I'll set aside some time tonight.

Hey psyche, does mason include daychat?

[reinoe]

Shaddowez is town.

[reinoe]

He suggests gambiting as a cop to take a bullet,

doesn't jive with

He finally claims doc in the thread,

VOTE: OkaPoka

[reinoe]

Okra is doc unless I see another doc flip first or a CC. Not voting there.

Now, can we please vote Psyche or are you going to keep lynch shopping Marquis?

Hey Titus. Please vote OkaPoka.

[reinoe]

Okra is doc unless I see another doc flip first or a CC. Not voting there.

Now, can we please vote Psyche or are you going to keep lynch shopping Marquis?

Hey Titus. Please vote OkaPoka.

Did you read the post you quoted?

Yes I did. I'm asking you to have faith in my belief that OkaPoka is scum.

[reinoe]

Mirhawk, I'm really needing you to show up and confirm the stuff Shaddowez is saying.

[reinoe]

Same with mirhawk.

I'm entitled to mt opinions. Oh and why do you have more.posts in the qt than tje.mainthread lurker?

Why don't you do a brief synopsis of his Neighborhood posts? If he's super active in the neighborhood then that still means he's active.

[reinoe]

Again, the hypothetical isn't based in fact. It's speculating. The best fakeclaims for scum tend to be the closest to reality.

My vote isn't going there. If you want me to vote with you, pick someone other than the doctor and make a case.

Or you could vote Psyche.

Look at it this way...

For some reason A doc claim has avoided FOUR SHOTS from scum. Either both scum teams are terrible terrible shots, or there's something not 100% legitimate about the doc claim.

[reinoe]

Each night one person was stabbed and one person was shot.

This. I've been thinking it's two scum teams but with consecutive nights of stabbings and shootings it's likely SK+MAFIA.

I don't like Psyche's sudden drop in activity. PV has also become scarce.

Nope. Your reads are shit. There is a reason why I copped you.

I think this is a bit ironic since there's a lot of overlap in our reads.

[reinoe]

I don't like Psyche's sudden drop in activity. PV has also become scarce.

EBWOP:

So has majiff and zMuff. They haven't posted at all this DP.

[reinoe]

I'm fairly certain Oka is not a doctor. If what Shaddow said is true that he was going to claim cop in order to draw a nightkill. That's the last thing any PR would do is plan to draw a NK.

[reinoe]

{Marquis, Reinoe,

Gameplay,

Psyche, Ape}

Probably contains all of the remaining scum.

Majiffy's scum. This is easy.

marquis-mason
reinoe-cop cleared
psyche-implied mason
marquis-cop clear
Royal Ape-????


Nobody's reads are that bad. Majiffy is scum.

[reinoe]

{Marquis, Reinoe,

Gameplay,

Psyche, Ape}

Probably contains all of the remaining scum.

Majiffy's scum. This is easy.

marquis-mason
reinoe-cop cleared
psyche-implied mason

marquis

gameplay-cop clear
Royal Ape-????


Nobody's reads are that bad. Majiffy is scum.

[reinoe]

He suggests gambiting as a cop to take a bullet,

doesn't jive with

He finally claims doc in the thread,

VOTE: OkaPoka

Guys, you're all thinking this is more complicated than it needs to be...

[reinoe]

so why do people think i am scum?

Because you are totally scummy. But, if you fake a PR claim real quick, we won't lynch you today.

Claim doc was we can put down Oka.

hey guys i am a dayvig
but i cant prove it until D7

Are you a mason? Does it include daychat?

[reinoe]

why

I'd like info about the game.

P:edit...yes marquis claimed mason with you and I'm trying to wrap my mind around neighbor-mason.

[reinoe]

I did an ISO of Marquis and Psyche while I was at work. The mason claim seems credible but at the same time that would make Marquis Mason-Neighbor. There's a chance that Wake would do something like that (and if he did I'll nominate him for best setup), but it's so out there I'm obviously having a hard time believing it.

I'm appealing to the town here....

Does it make sense for a Doctor to contemplate claiming Cop to "draw the bullet"? If OkaPoka had claimed VT then yes, a VT contemplating that kind of gambit is believable. I can't reconcile that with a doctor at all.

[reinoe]

are you a real person

Psyche, you've had repeated opportunities to actually confirm Marquis' mason claim, but you haven't done so explicitly. Why is that?

[reinoe]

i totally dig the oka wagon, but i don't want to join and frame it as the counterwagon to psyche, thereby besmirtching its wholesomenessnesss

This is a concern that I could understand as town, because I could see you getting hated on for it. I've seen one person get quicklynched for it. However, if you are a mason it shouldn't be a problem. Lynching scum would give you cred.

But looking through your ISO today you aren't doing a goddamn thing. It could be a different story in your neighborhood but from what you've put on display so far today you haven't done shit. You haven't even thrown out another scum name besides OKAPOKA for this DP. You're essentially calling him scum without voting.

What's your opinion of PV?


P:EDIT
Marquis what's your opinion of Okapoka?

[reinoe]

i totally dig the oka wagon, but i don't want to join and frame it as the counterwagon to psyche, thereby besmirtching its wholesomenessnesss

This is a concern that I could understand as town, because I could see you getting hated on for it. I've seen one person get quicklynched for it. However, if you are a mason it shouldn't be a problem. Lynching scum would give you cred.

But looking through your ISO today you aren't doing a goddamn thing. It could be a different story in your neighborhood but from what you've put on display so far today you haven't done shit. You haven't even thrown out another scum name besides OKAPOKA for this DP. You're essentially calling him scum without voting.

What's your opinion of PV?


P:EDIT
Marquis what's your opinion of Okapoka?

Reinoe, can you trust me? Just join me over here. While I'm more strategic and generally "crazy" I'm very risk averse. That risk averseness actually creates the crazy. I'm debating posting a guide to understanding Titus.

Yes I trust you. I was ready to lynch Psyche right up until the mason claim.

OkaPoka (4): Shaddowez, notscience, reinoe, Alina


Look at that OkaPoka wagon. It's town as fuck. You know how you felt on day one about Aeronaught being scum? That's how I feel about OkaPoka. I know he's scum but don't have a way to prove it.

[reinoe]

They think I am scum doc. Basically scum is trying to figure some bs way to lynch me. They be making up excuses to fit their pov.

You're a doc who was contemplating claiming cop to "draw the bullet". What doc wants to draw a bullet by claiming cop?

Also your wagon looks 100% town to me. I'm not even remotely suspecting shaddow, Alina, or notscience.


Which of those three on you right now is scum? Make the case for that.

[reinoe]

Shadow is scum cuz he is pushing a doctor lynch.

Hey Reinoe I explained my reasoning. Oh wait why did I not claim cop in here? Because I WAS WAITING FOR CLARIFICATION.

Oh wait, why did I not go for the gambit in the main thread? Because it would be detrimental to be town.

You act like I already did the gambit.

I don't believe you're a doctor. We're getting an overload of PR's at this point. Some of them have to be fucking fake.

[reinoe]

@Mirhawk&Shaddowez

Did Aegor confess to being a bodyguard in the Neighborhood?

[reinoe]

Ill join the crusade on alina if i live.

What was your reason for wanting to join the crusade on alina as of this post, which took place way before she ever voted you?

[reinoe]

This. And I think its tn.

You think there were two scum of the same faction in the neighborhood?

Tn is town and Majiffy is scum.

[reinoe]

BTW, Aeronaught's incomplete reads list is a pot o' gold. We're gonna be reviewing that shit right up until the last mafia is lynched.

p:edit...

Is it impossible? No. But it's super unlikely because that's just super bad design. I'm willing to believe Mason-neighbor before I'm willing to believe 2 scum on the same team in a 4 person neighborhood.

[reinoe]

So basically you scumread Royal who is in the nb but you say there cant be 2 scum in there?
Also Oka is town.

That's a good point. I don't know what to think about RoyalApe.

[reinoe]

Either he dies or I die.

I'm not letting go of this.

You better because there is no reason to think Oka is scum.

Even if people were paranoid over Oka, I can check her. Find me a buddy.

Titus...


I think Oka killed his credibility with the revalation that he was planning to "take a bullet" by claiming cop. NO DOCTOR WANTS TO "TAKE A BULLET" ON DAY ONE.

Also the OKAPOKA wagon looks 100% town. 5 votes all fucking town.

[reinoe]

Says the guy calling me scum.

With a reads list like this...

{Marquis, Reinoe, Gameplay, Psyche, Ape}

Probably contains all of the remaining scum.

Yea I think you're scum. Plus your vote is on a confirmable mason right now. Who are you to talk.

[reinoe]

I think the reason why there's been no counterclaim to Oka is because the real doctor is smart enough to not out themselves and get killed.

Even though technically Titus could have CC'd Aeronaught day one she didn't. And the main reason Aero got lynched is because he guessed the wrong result on Titus. That's it. His play in general for Day one was scummy.

There's no way to out Oka's claim without a direct CC. The real doc is smart enough to know this. The context of Oka's claim makes no fucking sense.

[reinoe]

I think a smart doc would cc and kill scum by sacrificing himself. It'd be worth the scum kill.

Oh wait there is no cc. I wonder why.

Tell us who's scum and why please. Tell us who's town and why please.

[reinoe]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tn

you can die then

pedit: LOL. This is so entertaining.

Besides pushing for your lynch why is TN scummy?

[reinoe]

Alina, remain calm. Do not have a meltdown about this. The only thing protecting him is the fake claim about being a doctor. Once people realize that it was a fake claim his lynch can proceed.

[reinoe]

Are you sure TN has been sketchy since day one? Because that's not what you said before...

NULLLLLLLLL:

3. Tn5421: Too many walls much wow, can't get a grasp of your thoughts

[reinoe]

and now people are going to be like "lol town rage teehee so town wow keep him alive such doctor" fml

I know what rage quitting looks like. What OkaPoka is doing isn't rage quitting. It's a scum faking rage.

[reinoe]

and people are just leaving him alive because he claimed doctor

I know right? He's a doctor who contemplated claiming a cop to draw the bullet. Yep. That's what a town doctor does dontcha know?

[reinoe]

Stop being so negative and just relax holy fuck

i'm sorry but it's just like

he is the scummiest person i've ever seen

and people are just leaving him alive because he claimed doctor

and it's just really, really infuriating

Your vote on OkaPoka, would really help move things along.
I understand it's stupid and it's frustrating, but getting all worked up like this doesn't help.

[reinoe]

Stop being so negative and just relax holy fuck

i'm sorry but it's just like

he is the scummiest person i've ever seen

and people are just leaving him alive because he claimed doctor

and it's just really, really infuriating

Your vote on OkaPoka, would really help move things along.
I understand it's stupid and it's frustrating, but getting all worked up like this doesn't help.

Nevermind, your vote is already on Oka.

[reinoe]

You guys realize practically no one has commented on

a) the fact I can clear/confirm this alleged doctor.
b) Shadowez has basically dropped off the face of the earth right now.


Just saying...

if y'all are hellbent on lynching town, you're doing it without me. I'll no lynch before I vote Oka.

His posts have been more recent than Marquis' and RoyalApe's.

Hey OkaPoka, tell us about shaddowez' activity in the neighborhood.

[reinoe]

You guys realize practically no one has commented on

a) the fact I can clear/confirm this alleged doctor.
b) Shadowez has basically dropped off the face of the earth right now.


Just saying...

if y'all are hellbent on lynching town, you're doing it without me. I'll no lynch before I vote Oka.

His posts have been more recent than Marquis' and RoyalApe's.

Hey OkaPoka, tell us about shaddowez' activity in the neighborhood.

RoyalApe, another scumread.

You do realize that conftown is trying to start another wagon and it's near impossible?

This has a really xmen feel to it....

The two leading wagons are on PR's.

I'm willing to compromise to Majiffy or PV since they're also scum.

[reinoe]

Let me put my money where my mouth is...


VOTE: PeregrineV

[reinoe]

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I DIDN'T CLAIM COP!

WHY THE FUCK DID YOU CLAIM DOCTOR FOR NO REASON!

herr derr scum can gambit too in order to draw out PR's and get them killed.