NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Elyse]

confirm

[Elyse]

VOTE: RoyalApe
Why did you choose OkaPoka over Aeronaut or farside?

Do you think Aeronaut and farside want to lynch the person they're voting for?

If not, then what about OkaPoka's vote makes you think he actually wants to lynch reinoe?

[Elyse]

VOTE: RoyalApe
Why did you choose OkaPoka over Aeronaut or farside?

Do you think Aeronaut and farside want to lynch the person they're voting for?

If not, then what about OkaPoka's vote makes you think he actually wants to lynch reinoe?

It was the first vote of the day. If I'm poking somebody for being anxious, why would I vote for people that were after Oka?

Are you defending Oka? Do I need to be poking you instead? Hmmm?

I thought you were voting Oka for being quick to want to lynch someone? Why do you think he's anxious?

[Elyse]

I thought you were voting Oka for being quick to want to lynch someone? Why do you think he's anxious?

With absolutely nothing else to go on, seemed like as good of a reason as anybody else has used so far. VOTE: Elyse for tunneling onto a RVS vote.

You didn't answer my question. Why did you vote for OkaPoka? Because he wanted to lynch someone early or because he was anxious?

If it is the former, why do you think he intended to actually lynch reinoe? If it's the latter, why do you think he's anxious?

[Elyse]

I'm asking if you voted him for being anxious or being early to lynch someone? It's either or. Which one?

And no I'm not defending Oka.

[Elyse]

I thought you were voting Oka for being quick to want to lynch someone? Why do you think he's anxious?

With absolutely nothing else to go on, seemed like as good of a reason as anybody else has used so far. VOTE: Elyse for tunneling onto a RVS vote.

You didn't answer my question. Why did you vote for OkaPoka? Because he wanted to lynch someone early or because he was anxious?

If it is the former, why do you think he intended to actually lynch reinoe? If it's the latter, why do you think he's anxious?

Why are you zeroing in on a joke made in RVS?

How do you expect us to get out of RVS if we just keeping tooling around?

[Elyse]

Ugh the Q+ button isn't working on my phone.

@Alina
At first I was just using RoyalApe's vote to get us out of RVS (his random reason didn't make much sense), but I didn't like his subsequent reactions and avoidance of my questions. It's a serious vote for now but not a strong scumread in the slightest because he is new. I'll have to see how he plays and reacts more to determine if his scummy behavior is part of his play style or not.

@texcat
Yes, I only found RoyalApe's vote worth questioning. Do you see any other votes that need questioning? If so, why haven't you questioned them yourself?

@farside
Please tell me what I am missing in the thread by focusing on RoyalApe.

[Elyse]

You didn't answer my question at all actually. Here I'll give you another chance:

Did you vote OkaPoka for wanting to lynch someone too early or for being anxious?

[Elyse]

And your question was clearly rhetoric "should I be poking you? Hmmmm?" even if you're saying it's not now.

[Elyse]

@Josh
Look at my post and tell me which question that is an answer to.

[Elyse]

I said already I'm trying to get out of RVS.

Do you think this is part of my grand scum plan or something? Why don't you lay off and let me pressure someone and instead of complaining about me, do something yourself!

P-edit:


Ugh I'm already over this game.

[Elyse]

It's ok though because we're out of RVS! (Despite reinoe and co trying to keep us in it)

Now when you all realize that voting me for pressuring an RVS vote is stupid, we can get on with the game. If you seriously think scum would do this and try to ride it out to a lynch on RoyalApe, then lol ok.

[Elyse]

Elyse, do you have reads besides this?

At that point, no. Did you?

@RoyalApe
I'm done pursuing this vote further because obviously it's now starting to cause more harm than good.

But your "question" to me "Are you defending Oka" seemed rhetoric because of the "should I be poking you" and "HMMMMM?". That's why I posted those two separately.

It's ok though because we're out of RVS! (Despite reinoe and co trying to keep us in it)

Now when you all realize that voting me for pressuring an RVS vote is stupid, we can get on with the game. If you seriously think scum would do this and try to ride it out to a lynch on RoyalApe, then lol ok.

lulz at the fakeness here.


VOTE: Elyse
[notscience, TSO, Elyse]

Explain.

I agree with tree wrt feeling like we're still in RVS. And saying that he feels that way doesn't mean he's keeping us in there, Aeronaut.

Eh...

I think Reinoe is probably town

. Honestly. Scum Reinoe is serious and focused, and that's just not what we have here.

He does like to change playstyles I guess, but either way it's null

.

Town or null?

Psyche, you literally don't make sense ever.

I'd be down with a tree lynch, but I'm not feeling good about Oka.

The aggressiveness rubs me wrong, and it sort of feels like he's trying way to hard to make it look like he's scumhunting.

That's how I feel about you actually.

@People voting tree: I'm not really sure that a crappy IC claim is enough to lynch someone. What else has tree done that's really scummy?

Wait you literally just said in the post I quoted above that you'd be down with a tree lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aeronaut

[Elyse]

The more serious he plays, the more Town he looks.

But when he's serious he can get caught, whereas when he's not, he can't.

What is your read on reinoe?

[Elyse]

That's to Aeronaut.

[Elyse]

Town.

You said before reinoe was town though.

[Elyse]

Wait you're lying.

[Elyse]

No one hopped on the tree wagon except for reinoe between your two posts.

stop the fighting

And start the lynchings!


VOTE: tree

I'm half reading this game. Lots of little things and some I felt good about and others I wonder about.
I'm a bit loopy tired but I like pysche a bit more and tso.
I think I need to reread a few people like tree, oka, elyse and maybe renioe to make sure I'm not crazy.

Also question to either aero or renioe (since you two I remember from the last normal) does anything feel off about Alina to you?

I think she's a bit more confident this round. Not sure if that's anything. I feel like she's sort of hard to read, because she literally always seems town to me. She's null for me at the moment.

@People voting tree: I'm not really sure that a crappy IC claim is enough to lynch someone. What else has tree done that's really scummy?

P-edit: And Reinoe jumping on the wagon... :/

And you said the bolded BEFORE reinoe voted for tree because you addressed reinoe's vote in your p-edit.

[Elyse]

Which posts? The only post by Majiffy in between those was this one and it's not bad at all.

Possible bad word choice on my end - I didn't mean personal attacks, I meant your arguments against him.

Psyche, on the other hand, has done nothing but discredit my arguments and chainsaw like a mofuggah.

Now vote Tree.

[Elyse]

I answered that the first time you asked.

TOWN.

How the fuck is "now vote tree" enough to go from being ok with lynching someone to not wanting to lynch them? You said that his crappy IC claim wasn't enough to lynch him but no one mentions it between the two posts.

And you can't say "and the like" because it's nonexistant.

[Elyse]

But why is he town? What has he done to help the town? That's the fucking question.

No the question was "What is your read on tree?"

tree's early posts were genuine and I feel like he's trying to start discussion and keep the game moving along. Just because his attempts weren't successful or well thought-out doesn't mean the intent isn't there.

It's not just that post you dingbat.

Why is this necessary? I've caught you in a lie so you resort to namecalling?

I've been saying for the past day I'm not really sure about tree yet. For awhile I decided he'd probably be an alright lynch. Then I thought about it more and decided I wanted to talk about it some more before doing it. What about that do you not understand?

No. You said you would be down for a tree lynch and then changed your mind 10 posts later because you said people like reinoe hopped on for bad reasons. Then I pointed out you said that before reinoe hopped on, so you said it was because you didn't like how Majiffy was pushing him. Then I pointed out Majiffy only said "now vote tree" in between those posts and you now say "yeah, that and the like" and there are no other posts in between that can constitute as "the like".

[Elyse]

And? I'm talking about two specific posts not even a page apart with drastically different opinions and no reasons to back them up.

[Elyse]

I don't have reads on most people because most people haven't given me anything to work with.

Stop pretending like my legitimate questioning of you is something I'm doing wrong.

[Elyse]

And I'm not scumreading you because it's "convenient". It's because you can't explain your actions and become aggressive when pressured for no reason other than you're being a dick and trying to make me out like the bad guy.

[Elyse]

That's bullshit and I already answered your question. Again. Do you even read my posts?

[Elyse]

That's not what happened though because I didn't understand that RoyalApe was voting for Oka for being the first to vote. He said he was anxious and quick to lynch people and I assumed those were his reasons and asked him to clarify which one but then it turns out he had a whole other reason.

[Elyse]

OkaPoka's push on gameplay is horrible. I completely agree with Alina and Aeronaut in regards to that.

However

I think majiffy's push on tree is fabricated. It makes sense for an RVS-ending vote, but somehow we've made it to page twenty and he still acts relatively confident that tree's pretty bland couple of fakeclaim ploys make him scum. It would be okay if he were just egging it on for tactical reasons, but I just have no doubt reading his posts that he'd be happy if tree died right now.

At this point, I think he continues to tunnel on tree just because 1) it's easier to act through than it is to look soberly at what he's doing and what could be done, and 2) tree is really easy to push and is the sort of player likely to dig his own grave. And I'm asking his sheep about the wagon so I can see if anyone else is following suit, or if the

actual

scum carrying out this really cliched approach to D1 is one of those. It seems pretty likely to me that the tree wagon is just too shitty not to be astroturfed.

I know I'm fooling around a lot, but it's because I can, because it's harmless. But I didn't join the game for the captive audience.

Quite frankly tree dug his own grave by trying to gambit twice, ESPECIALLY and SPECIFICALLY his IC claim.

I disagree with you on your current majiffy read, weren't you following the flowchart and sheeping majiffy 10 pages ago anyway?
I've got him as relatively neutral, slightly leaning town.

What was his second gambit? The IC one seems like a joke to me.

I don't like how Oka has to be asked to give explanations for his reads. Saying "Psych is weird" is not an explanation. It's like you have opinions, but you're afraid to share them until you absolutely have to. Making it look like you have scumreads, without giving weight to them so that nobody can suspect you. Not to mention, you're saying we should kill people who claim PRs.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is an SK.

VOTE: OkaPoka

The bolded makes me think Aeronaut is scum who genuinely thinks Oka is scum also, but knows he's not group scum because Aero is.

[Elyse]

I've never seen someone do that before.

[Elyse]

Hey Titus wanna give reads or something that's relevant to the game?

[Elyse]

Yeah she is.

Notty is town though. And so is Majiffy in case you were wondering.

[Elyse]

I actually like that list.

[Elyse]

Gut and their posts seem town motivated. And similar scumreads. (Except for tree with Majiffy but I think his push seems legitimate)

[Elyse]

Having similar scumreads means a similar mindset so yeah I'm going to use that in my reads.

[Elyse]

Farside are you only voting tex for piggybacking on my exchange with Aero?

Cause that's horrible if you are and it's not scummy for tex to do that at all. Like is he supposed to make up reasons that aren't there or something? It's not like he's been doing that the whole time and will continue to do that.

Also where is tree? I had a townread on him but it's fading.

Scumreads right now in order are: Aeronaut, farside, Titus, Oka, Psyche (mostly gut and his Majiffy unvote was gross)

I don't like Aegor or something like that either but he doesn't have enough content for a full out scumread.

[Elyse]

FUCK THE Q+ button on my phone.

Will respond to stuff later on my laptop :/

I'm still voting Aeronaut and would like some more support there but would also be willing to move to Titus.

[Elyse]

Hey Josh what are your reads or thoughts on what's going on?

I feel like everyone is in the pool playing Marco Polo and you're that asshole who's shouting polo from the chair on the side.

[Elyse]

Reponses:

Why the fuck are our reads so close

this is fucking weird

Amazing !!!

Elyse : why is oka and Titus a scum read. Why is pyche 'a unvote yucky?

Oka is a scumread for basically what notscience said. He said it best himself:

Role pm reads scum

You're more focused on who is bsing than why they are bsing

(Scum try to push lynches based on who is lying, town needs to not only figure out if someone is lying but why)

And his gameplay push was horrible and he's really aggressive for no real reason as Aeronaut stated before.
Titus' reads list was horrible and she's a player I have a lot of experience with. Usually I get a good feeling of her alignment within a few posts and she's given me a strong scumvibe. Her lurking/being The Light has nothing to do with my scumread on her and if people are scumreading her for that then they're wrong. It's completely due to her shitty reads and tone.

@Josh, Reinoe, Titus, TSO, & Elyse.
Is it just me or is notsci doing the same thing reinoe was doing to titus in mini 1579?

Ehhhh. I see what you're saying but I think notty is town. I don't agree with what he's doing and would much rather him push Aero or Titus like he wants but this isn't really strange for him.

Wait is that it. I feel like I'm missing stuff. Let me know if I missed anything.

Oh wait Alina wanted me to say something about Aegor.

I think his texcat vote was bad and he hasn't given reasons for his townreads. Then he just had a few snarky comments. He's barely a scumread because we could just disagree on a lot but I dunno I just don't really like the few posts he has.

Also could you (Alina) give a reads list? As Majiffy said I thought your reads were closer to mine but then when you said you don't have any major objections (besides his leaning-scumread-that's-no-longer-a-scumread-read on me) to Aeronaut's list, I got confused.

[Elyse]

Elyse, why are you blantantly appealing to authority (claiming yourself as an expert on me) when the latest game you and I were both wrong on each other?

Yes my "reads" sucked. They were things I observed, which if you count those as strong reads I feel sorry for you. I won't have "decent" reads until I read the yhread.

I never claimed 100% accuracy.

And thanks farside

[Elyse]

If tree flips scum I'm just gonna laugh and accept my lynch.

This basically sums up why we should lynch Aeronaut.

He's (or was) voting tree, someone who he is expecting to flip town (and yelling at NS for doing the same thing), and even if that person flips scum, he will accept his lynch the next day.

So if Aeronaut is town, this plan GUARANTEES the death of at least one townie from his PoV. What the fuck is that? What townie would vote for someone and accept his own lynch if that person flips scum?

It makes no sense.

[Elyse]

That was a fun game.

[Elyse]

Please link me specifically to that.

[Elyse]

@Aeronaut
You left something out.

It means that you guys are annoying me. Hammer HS and if he flips town, I will offer myself up to the town tomorrow, my life for his, i.e. our lives are one-to-one or one-for-one.

Aegor said he will offer himself up

if HS flips town.

That's completely different. Aegor has little scum motivation to do this because if he was scum, he would either lynch his partner or himself. If HS flipped scum, he would be in the clear. If HS flipped town, he would be screwed. But if he was scum he would know HS' alignment.

You, on the other hand, have a lot of scum motivation for lynching tree. You are only screwed if he flips scum. If you are scum and tree is town, this is a perfect opportunity for you to get a free mislynch without being responsible for it. If you said "I'll lynch myself if tree is town", then it would mean something. The other way makes no sense from a town perspective because it's a lose-lose either way.

[Elyse]

Read. Between. The. Lines.

If you are softclaiming or something you can stop. There will be a time to claim when you get run up to L-1. Which will be soon.

Otherwise stop being cryptic and respond to what I'm saying if you want to try to fight your impending lynch.

[Elyse]

I just explained how you basically scumclaimed. What you did makes no sense for any townie to do. Do you have anything to say to that?

[Elyse]

I see consistency through it. Once we are out of RVS, he is wanting reasons for reads and isn't settling for "that's town" and "that's scum". I like that.

Ok.

He is fighting against trains building without such rationale.

And then joined that same train.

He gave a full run down on all players, so he isn't being a hypocrite in asking for reads from others but not providing them himself.

He didn't actually and you don't have to have reads on all players to be able to ask for reads. And hypocrisy isn't scummy.

His 1 for 1 reasoning is something that I don't buy AT ALL, but the thought process behind going along with eliminating tree because he doesn't see tree being helpful for the town is something that I can understand.

Yeah except he made a deal that will only benefit him if he's scum. And he disappeared after I pointed that out.

I don't think Aero is scum.

Try again.

[Elyse]

No and no

[Elyse]

Yeah I am not going to be on the aero wagon because I think he claimed pr.

This is horrible.

[Elyse]

Elyse, what's your read on TSO?

Neutral. Not interested in lynching him today.

[Elyse]

So you voted Aero for having bad votes but you didnt vote NS who was voting a townread of his ?

Aero voted for someone that he not only thought was town, but would be willing to be lynched himself if that person flipped scum.

Like I don't understand why you keep bringing up NS as if he's worse than Aero and your defense of Aero sucks.

I don't get why everyone needs new, original reasons to hop on a wagon. I certainly don't expect people to find more scummy stuff about Aero when I'm trying my hardest to do so to get him lynched. Should I stop scumhunting so other people can find stuff and have justified spots on the wagon? It's bullshit that the wagon is falling apart when I've brought up so much stuff about him just because other people are sheeping me.

[Elyse]

The fact that you "didn't make a deal" is irrelevant, Aeronaut.

You voted for tree, someone who:

-you called town
-you said you hated the wagon on him
-you criticized NS for joining the wagon on him despite townreading him (I can see that point but NS at least had a reason [compromising with Majiffy])

and then you said you would lynch yourself if he flipped scum. I KNOW it was a joke but no townie should ever vote a player that he is sure will flip town and go as far as making a joke about self lynching him if he was scum.

And you still had an awful change in opinion on tree that you lied about three times and then tried to pass off as "a gradual read change that happened when you thought about the wagon" which I call bullshit on. Like you should be lynched already and people making excuses for you and trying to derail the wagon makes me even more confident in this read.

@Alina
I really hate your Aeronaut unvote :/ I was like "ok Alina is town" while reading your ISO until then.

@gameplay
Yes I am completely fine with people sheeping me and not adding reasoning of their own or suspecting Aero beforehand. If he flips town then we can look at them later. TSO's vote is absolutely fine and not opportunistic. Psyche's vote isn't great but he's encouraging the wagon's growth at least. NS' vote is good and you trying to hurt his credibility based on his tree vote is LOLawful because you're supporting Aeronaut. Majiffy's and my vote, as you said, were good. Mirhawk's vote is good too because if we let that softclaim shit hang around it will just lead to more and more WIFOM and Aero will have to claim anyway. It's better to do it today. I will give you the RVS vote by Shadow being shitty (though it's RVS and it's not like he's trying to justify it) and texcat did sheep me but oh well he found my reasoning good.

@Aegor


@OkaPoka
Do you want me to link you to a game where scum softclaimed in their first post? If everyone thought the way you did we would never lynch scum. And we need to run him up to L-1 to see if he's bullshitting or not.

@EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO LYNCH AERONAUT

Who DO you want to lynch? Right now the only other wagon is tree and lol at that so stop trying to derail a solid Day 1 wagon that is likely to lead to a scum lynch AND give loads of information when you don't even have a good alternative.

This is especially to gameplay like what the fuck is that Mirhawk vote? You're the only one voting him. Do you seriously expect that lynch to go through?

[Elyse]

This is especially to gameplay like what the fuck is that Mirhawk vote? You're the only one voting him. Do you seriously expect that lynch to go through?

I seriously think it can go through, There is plenty of time we don't need to rush lynches.

For what? Saying that Aero needs to cut the softclaim bullshit and we should run him up to L-1 for a claim?

Better string me up too!

[Elyse]

No I'm saying that I don't give a fuck who's on the wagon and why because there is a shitload of evidence against him. I'm not going to stop the lynch because a few people on it didn't give an essay as to why they are voting him.

[Elyse]

No I'm saying that I don't give a fuck who's on the wagon and why because there is a shitload of evidence against him. I'm not going to stop the lynch because a few people on it didn't give an essay as to why they are voting him.

Elyse lol. This is so wrong that I dont know what to say.

Except it's not.

[Elyse]

I'll read that entire wall later when I have the energy

but

I WANT TO GET YOU TO L-1 TO CLAIM BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN SOFTCLAIMING LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER AND IT'S SCARING SOME IDIOTS FROM VOTING YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY SCUM.

[Elyse]

Elyse what did you think of drunktitus

Nothing. I still think she's scum.

Well, since you people have made it glaringly obvious, yea. Thank you, role fish.

No. YOU made it glaringly obvious when you softclaimed like every post.

P-edit:
No that means nothing. Natirasha claimed PR in his first post and ended up being scum.

[Elyse]

That was at gameplay.

[Elyse]

The fact that you "didn't make a deal" is irrelevant, Aeronaut.

You voted for tree, someone who:

-you called town
-you said you hated the wagon on him
-you criticized NS for joining the wagon on him despite townreading him (

I can see that point

but NS at least had a reason [compromising with Majiffy])

First point. You understand that half the people on that wagon called Tree town, correct? Including Notscience, Tn, Mirhawk, etc. Irrelevant.

You didn't have a good reason for doing so.

Second point. Yea, I did. Then he came in and decided to come back and be terrible, and suddenly the wagon didn't look so bad anymore.

Ok.

Third point. So this is one of the things that I'm scum for, but you agree with it? What?

No I said I could see your criticism of NS' vote.

Also, this is the last thing I'm going to say on the "I need Majiffy's vote" matter. That's a shit reason and we all know it. C'mon now, Majiffy is one vote. There's 21 people in this game, and we don't all need Majiffy's approval to lynch somebody. If Notscience actually feels the need to have somebody vote with him so that it doesn't look he's manipulating the town, I think we all need to take another look at Notscience. C'mon people, I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous.

I said I don't agree with it but it's not scummy coming from notscience and Majiffy is really loud and convincing so I understand where he's coming from. And you just said that it was irrelevant that you voted for tree despite thinking he was town so why is it relevant for notscience?

and

then you said you would lynch yourself if he flipped scum.

I want you to find the post where I say I'll lynch myself. Yea, if I were to vote for myself, that would be anti-town AF. I didn't say that, and never will vote for myself. Because that's silly.

You even admit that it's a joke

. C'mon now, Elyse. Stop trying so hard. Find the post, and then stop misrepresenting me.

Did you read my post? I understand it was a joke.

And you still had an awful change in opinion on tree that you lied about three times and then tried to pass off as "a gradual read change that happened when you thought about the wagon" which I call bullshit on. Like you should be lynched already and people making excuses for you and trying to derail the wagon makes me even more confident in this read.

How many times has NotScience changed his opinion on tree? I have to go back and check, but I'm pretty sure he just called him scum again. Again, you're just not making sense.

What does notscience have to do with this at all? First off, he didn't change his opinion that much. And second, even if he did, I don't care because it wasn't within a page for no reason and he didn't lie about it three times. Stop trying to discredit me and saying that I don't make sense. Discredit the argument.

P-edit:
So gameplay I know now that if I'm ever scum and playing with you I should just claim a PR because that will get you off my back and I will never be in danger of being lynched.

[Elyse]

Ok this shit with Aero is just going over the top. Scum really don't want to let go of it, do they?

So Aeros softclaims all over the place and makes it reallly obvious he's a PR but then it's my fault when he comes out and says it? And I wish he would have just full claimed because this whole "I'm a PR but won't say which" bullshit is getting old.

Yay

ns is so smart

swoon

ns have my babies

yay

If it's more than 2 people you obviously have scum in the hood.

Even with 2 you probably do.

So.

Yeah this.

If I was in a neighborhood and town I would be focusing on the other people in my hood because it's more than likely there is scum there.

Also, Aero, why would you full claim in the neighborhood? I don't get that at all.

[Elyse]

Did Aero actually claim RB?

[Elyse]

Also any mod that puts two roleblockers in the same game is asking for a headache. I doubt it.

If Aero isn't a roleblocker and Josh claimed for no reason then

[Elyse]

Ok.

Aero claims if he's RB or not. If he is then we lynch him because two town roleblockers is unlikely. If not then we can figure out what to do. Gameplay and the other MYSTERY neighbor can vouch to see if Aero's claim matches his neighborhood claim.

Josh is conftown at this point. Don't touch him.

(P.S. I feel like Aero is also scum because what town neighbor has another PR besides neighbor?)

[Elyse]

WHICH IS WHY IF YOU READ THE RULES ROLEBLOCKERS CANT BLOCK ROLEBLOCKERS

That is true. My bad.

But that's a dumb rule.

[Elyse]

I have seen town pr in a nb. And instead of Aero giving full claim he can just say whether he is rb or not. Or I can do it myself.

Do it.

[Elyse]

Ok. Then let's get him to L-1 for a full claim.

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

Aero you understand you are (if you are telling the truth) basically a cop with a false positive on vigs right?

Not sure if I believe but no reason to lynch today. Lol at Titus though.

[Elyse]

You deserve this Elyse:

VOTE: Elyse
Call it a placeholder vote. Call it whatever you like. But if you are town you should just know that by your idiotic push you outed 2 presumably town pr's. And now when Aero claimed pr you go like "oh really you were a pr I didnt know, sorry unvoting you". Literally wtf. Leaving my vote here at least for the night.

Pedit@ reinoe I already answered that one. Mainly leaning on Psyche, Mir and Tso. Maji and NS arent good either.

Shut the fuck up. I'm done with you and your elitist attitude.

I

did not force Aero to claim. I wanted to just run him up as usual but he decided to softclaim which is so antitown I can't even start. Then he said "welp I'm a PR" which again sucks.

I

had nothing to do with Josh outing his role and didn't even think Aero claimed roleblocker.

I

backed off of Aero because gunsmith is a testable claim and if he is town, scum will want to kill him sooner than later. I'm not stupid.

You

should stop blaming everything on me because it's not my fault and I'm fucking obvtown. I also want you to know that there's a good chance there's scum in your neighborhood and I'm coming after you next.

[Elyse]

Titus what the fuck? Like even if you think he's lying (which I totally understand), the optimal play is not to lynch him.

I don't understand what you're doing this game. This isn't town-you.

[Elyse]

You deserve this Elyse:

VOTE: Elyse
Call it a placeholder vote. Call it whatever you like. But if you are town you should just know that by your idiotic push you outed 2 presumably town pr's. And now when Aero claimed pr you go like "oh really you were a pr I didnt know, sorry unvoting you". Literally wtf. Leaving my vote here at least for the night.

Pedit@ reinoe I already answered that one. Mainly leaning on Psyche, Mir and Tso. Maji and NS arent good either.

Shut the fuck up. I'm done with you and your elitist attitude.

I

did not force Aero to claim. I wanted to just run him up as usual but he decided to softclaim which is so antitown I can't even start. Then he said "welp I'm a PR" which again sucks.

I

had nothing to do with Josh outing his role and didn't even think Aero claimed roleblocker.

I

backed off of Aero because gunsmith is a testable claim and if he is town, scum will want to kill him sooner than later. I'm not stupid.

You

should stop blaming everything on me because it's not my fault and I'm fucking obvtown. I also want you to know that there's a good chance there's scum in your neighborhood and I'm coming after you next.

You are not. He is not blaming everything on you. Your posts just suck.

You haven't even read this game and your posts are literally trash. How the fuck do my posts suck if you're pushing the lynch I've been pushing for the entire game? You're being stupid.

P-edit: Yes?
When would scum not try to lynch a gunsmith?

[Elyse]

Thank you tree.

[Elyse]

Titus will be duly lynched if she vigs you.

[Elyse]

I'm assuming day-vig here.

tn what am I lying about?

[Elyse]

What are you saying

[Elyse]

I've done nothing wrong.

[Elyse]

Also sorry Titus for saying your posts are trash but you saying my posts suck after voting a claimed gunsmith I've been pushing for days just got under my last nerve.

I'm sick and tired of being blamed for all of this when all I did was push a scumread of mine.

[Elyse]

he wasnt run up for the softclaim

Yes, he was. Explicitly.

Then you need to go back to a first grade reading class. No one except for Mirhawk joined his wagon because of the softclaim.

[Elyse]

That's not why he was run up. He was run up for being scummy.

And once the softclaim is out there, you can't just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist. It needs to be dealt with. I'm done with your shitty attitude though.

[Elyse]

Taking a break.

[Elyse]

I still don't understand what I'm lying about and why tn isn't voting me.

[Elyse]

Aero I have one question. Why did you softclaim in the first place?

Because maybe I didn't want every single person to know my role right then, but I needed the town to know it enough not to lynch me and make me useless to the town. If I just layed down and let you lynch me, then I'd be hurting the town's chances of winning quite a bit.

That's why we ask for a claim before lynching you.

I'm over that though. Let's move on.

I want to know who's in this neighborhood. There's guaranteed scum there. (Also with 5 people I find it even stranger that Aero would be willing to fullclaim there but whatever)

@Titus
What is your read on gameplay?

[Elyse]

I had faith in you NS. You failed me.

Anyone who is seriously scumreading me (Titus) is scum or dumb.

Let's continue to string up Titus. She went too far with the whole "I want to lynch the un CC'd gunsmith" shtick and now has no option but to ride it out and milk it for all it's worth.

Also her description of how scum would react to a gunsmith claim is exactly what gameplay is doing yet she calls him obvtown.

[Elyse]

Lol at Titus suggesting scum wouldn't try to lynch a gunsmith.

[Elyse]

Titus I understand why you think he's lying - I'm not sure he's telling the truth either. But lynching him today doesn't make sense because there's a small chance he's telling the truth. If he is then scum will have to deal with him. If he's not, it will become evident.

I don't see why scum wouldn't try to lynch him today. It clearly helps them.

[Elyse]

No it reads as "I'm so sure tree is town that if I'm wrong I deserve to be removed from the game." This is coupled with a vote on tree. Do you understand why that doesn't make sense?

[Elyse]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? LITERALLY WHO EVEN ARE YOU?

[Elyse]

Wanna lynch tn?

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tn

You are arguing lies to make me look worse and refusing to explain anything.

[Elyse]

You are saying that I'm wrong in my assessment of Aero's read on tree during the 1-1 situation when YOU are! You're using his most recent read, which is irrelevant.

Speaking of scared to show proof of lying, I've asked you several times and you've come up with nothing. Can you cough something up or should we lynch you?

[Elyse]

You are saying that I'm wrong in my assessment of Aero's read on tree during the 1-1 situation when YOU are! You're using his most recent read, which is irrelevant.

Speaking of scared to show proof of lying, I've asked you several times and you've come up with nothing. Can you cough something up or should we lynch you?

Once again you refuse to show any proof whatsoever that I am lying. You clearly have no argument except for AtE, otherwise you would have presented it by now

...I just did.

Is English your first language?

[Elyse]

I don't know why you're linking those posts. They have nothing to do with my post correcting you.

[Elyse]

I'm really confused.

[Elyse]

...yes it is. He said "I will laugh and accept my lynch if tree flips scum."

What else could that mean?

[Elyse]

...yes it is. He said "I will laugh and accept my lynch if tree flips scum."

What else could that mean?

In the context he said it in, it means he's gambling his life away based on tree flipping scum, and that he'd offer himself up for lynch if he were wrong.

Yes so he's townreading tree here.

[Elyse]

He was calling tn princess.

[Elyse]

...yes it is. He said "I will laugh and accept my lynch if tree flips scum."

What else could that mean?

Elyse, if I remember correctly, you said you thought this was a joke a few posts ago. Now you think it's serious again?

@Okapoka, why exactly do YOU think tree is scum? It's easy to say "Why isn't tree dead yet"

I know it's a joke.

tn is arguing that you were scumreading tree when you said this and I'm saying that you weren't.

Can you clear that up yourself? Tn is saying I'm lying when I'm actually not and he is.

[Elyse]

Gameplay you need to get over yourself.

Tn is spewing absolute bullshit and has flat out ignored multiple questions asked of him. He's stalling scum who can't come up with a reason to back up what he's saying.

[Elyse]

I'd also be down for an OkaPoka lynch.

[Elyse]

You've been doing nothing.

[Elyse]

Same with you.

You can argue that what I've been doing isn't good, but you can't argue I've been doing nothing. Come on now, Oka. You're scum, aren't you?

Gameplay you need to get over yourself.

Tn is spewing absolute bullshit and has flat out ignored multiple questions asked of him. He's stalling scum who can't come up with a reason to back up what he's saying.

Except I've already answered every single question that has been thrown at me, so why don't you backpedal more unless you have some fucking proof. Something that I've noticed every single one of your posts are extremely short on. All allegations, 0% proof.

So why don't you just trot along and let the big boys play mafia?

You haven't, actually. Mirhawk has asked you several times what I'm lying about and why it's relevant, and all you say is "She's twisting words, take it as you will", which doesn't answer either question. I've given you proof over and over and you haven't given

anything

to back up your claims, yet you act like it's the other way around.

You're borderline delusional, and I only say that because I can't explain your actions otherwise. I'm not even sure if you're scum anymore, or whether you're just unable to communicate normally.

[Elyse]

VOTE: OkaPoka

[Elyse]

No

[Elyse]

No

Remember how I said I don't care who's on a wagon? We can do wagon analysis later but I'll work with anyone to lynch who I want?

That still applies.

Also I'm not offended by tn's comment. I just think it's kind of funny how he considers himself one of the "big boys".

[Elyse]

Elyse, your case on me is terrible. You should be voting someone who is scummy (tree), and I have done pushed against players I thought were scum. I have done a lot, and by that thought process you should kill ns.

I don't even have a case on you so ok.

I'm changing my read on Titus, btw. I think she's town now.

[Elyse]

So you criticized a nonexistant case?

[Elyse]

I criticized a case that used non existing information, filled with bs and lies. With scum driven manipulation.

What are you even talking about?

I said you don't do anything - which is true since you've been screaming "WHY ISNT TREE DEAD YET?!" for ~15 pages.

You're acting as if I made this intricate case on you and you carefully refuted every point I made. All you did was say "I am doing stuff" which isn't true.

So yeah.

[Elyse]

How isn't tree dead yet?

We test if Aeronaut is bsing it tmr.

Today we lynch tree, or titus, or gameplay.

Why isnt tree dead yet?

Change texcat with tree

Are you all seriously not going to care about tree scum?

All of tree's dumb gambits and terrible reactions to them, such as lurking the wagon away, and allowing his scum buddies to attack you so pressure is relieved.

Also wake broke the rules, so

@mod

we should obviously modkill wake for writing too small.

And a long lime until the deadline, at this rate we will hit 100 pages before the day ends.

Can we lynch tree yet?

WHY ISNT TREE DEAD YET?????!!!!!????!!!!!

3 or 4 times?

And it was 12 pages not 15 my bad.

[Elyse]

But texcat must be destroyed.

But texcat must be destroyed.

Why?

ISO me for the answer! I have already explained why texcat is really scummy.

i still don't think you push hard enough

EVERYONE, VOTE TEXCAT.

This game is moving so quickly and is so disorganized that I would probably be fine lynching most players.

But vote texcat.

You haven't given any reasons for voting texcat since Post #772.

Those reasons were more than sufficient to justify votes that have not yet arrived, and his complete lack of contribution since then is another strong reason, if additional ones are needed.

Most of your other posts regarding him are "Vote texcat", which is no better than most of Oka's posts of "Why isn't Tree dead yet?". You also said in that same post that Oka can die too, and yet you're trying to get people to vote texcat when there's already an Oka wagon rolling. Can you explain to me why?

Because I feel strongly that texcat is scummier than Oka, and no one -- even upon request -- has been able to tell me why he is not. Oka

can

die, but I would rather at least get a texcat wagon rolling.

Is there any danger to at least wagoning him?

Hm. You're right.

[Elyse]

He ain't flipping gs. Even if he was town, scum would not push for his lynch as mids require a methid to not follow the cop.

You keep saying that and while I'm townreading you, there

is

scum motivation to push a town gunsmith. Any town lynch, especially a PR, is worth the price of admission for scum.

[Elyse]

Yeah it looks like he's lining up lynches. It's an easy thing to say if he's scum and Aero and Titus are town.

[Elyse]

Titus are you willing to accept your own lynch tomorrow if Aero flips town?

[Elyse]

Ok. So you aren't as sure as I thought you were.

[Elyse]

Also NS what the fuck?

[Elyse]

No. I don't even mean it like that.

I thought you had irrefutable evidence or something. If you did, you would be willing to lynch yourself if you were wrong, but it wouldn't come to that if you were 100% sure.

I didn't even ask that to make a deal or challenge you on that should he flip town. Some of yours posts hint at you having info that condemns Aero and that cleared it up.

[Elyse]

I don't think he's saying Titus has a guilty on Aero. There are other ways that Titus can know he is lying.

[Elyse]

Aeronaut is confirmed scum fmpov due to shitty gs claim. Texcat is town bc Marquis.

#2226 should read tree is town cuz Marquis.

Aegor asked specifically about Aeronaut and texcat. Your typo was not the "texcat" part, but the "bc Marquis" part. What is your read on texcat and why?

[Elyse]

Titus answer my question.

[Elyse]

Lol at saying I made the worst case ever when I didn't even make a case and everyone agrees with why I'm voting you.

[Elyse]

NS I like your Alina read btw.

[Elyse]

farside was pretty obvtown

idk about muffin rn but my farside read stays prettttttty solid

Why was farside obvotwn?

Also, Oka's play is pretty textbook newbscum. He's getting hyper defensive over nothing and tunneling on a semi-common scumread. His reads are static and he doesn't appear to actively look for scum. I also feel like, and I think this has been said before, that his scumreads are based on things that could be done as either alignment. He doesn't seem to discern the motivations for what his scumreads do, and just realizes that he can have an explainable scumread on that person. So he goes with it.

[Elyse]

where is this textbook on newbscum and how much must i pay to read it

I feel like you should know this already.

@Oka
It would help if you stopped relying on your claim.

(If it ends up that three town PRs are outed today, I will scream)

[Elyse]

Hey NS you haven't explained your scumread on me and considering I'm obvtown, I'm curious to find out. It's also strange to me because I've been agreeing with you pretty much all game and defending you. Do you think I'm buddying you?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: texcat

Because I don't want a no lynch and even if he flips town we can blame Aegor.

[Elyse]

So you think I'm scum buddying you and "fanned the flames" on your scumread on town Titus? (Someone I am now townreading)

That seems pretty farfetched. It's more likely that I am town who recognizes you are town, defended you as I usually do with my townreads, and helped you pursue a common scumread.

:/

[Elyse]

Also you should know I'm aggressive as town and calmer as scum.

[Elyse]

As in without a claim

[Elyse]

we need to lynch gameplay tmr.

srs

If you are really the doc why do you expect to live tomorrow

[Elyse]

NS I'm disappointed you haven't responded to me.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Aegor

[Elyse]

WOOO!

Choo Choo!

[Elyse]

The leading wagon is now Aegor so hop on to avoid a no lynch!

I won't even call you scum for it if he flips town!

[Elyse]

That sounds like a scum role in multiball

[Elyse]

If he was scum why would he claim VT, seeing as the other PR claims' wagons were dismantled?

[Elyse]

VOTE: texcat

You guys are lucky i couldn't sleep!!!