NY175: Sycamore Scuffle

[TheAdrienC]

Intent to hammer

I've actually had him as my top scum read after looking at Aegor's death.

[TheAdrienC]

Okay.

Vote: Aeronaut

[TheAdrienC]

Juls beat me to the punch with that. What the actual fuck?!

Vote: Wake

[TheAdrienC]

The fact the SK is gone and we only have one kill now pretty much rules out any more Vigs running around. There hasn't been since N1.

[TheAdrienC]

I think it's pretty safe to say, Boon is confirmed town.

[TheAdrienC]

I don't want a lynch before we hear any sort of explanation (hell, I didn't even get to post before the last lynch), but Wake, you better explain yourself quick.

Yeah we don't have to rush it. I can't believe we have flipped this game. I thought for sure we had no chance of winning. Now I am getting excited again.

I would be getting pretty excited too, but the Robin Williams news was kinda a mood killer.

[TheAdrienC]

Wake better have a damn good explanation...

[TheAdrienC]

By the way, what is a fibonacci?

[TheAdrienC]

Juls, if I was scum, you wouldn't be alive.

[TheAdrienC]

Juls, if I was scum, you wouldn't be alive.

WIFOM

Sorry, but seriously, I would have.

[TheAdrienC]

By the way, what is a fibonacci?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number

Got it. So he could've investigated 1, 2, 3, 5, and if it got there, 8.

[TheAdrienC]

Cause I have been so effective in getting people to lynch you?

Well, because you've been on me for a while without backing down.

[TheAdrienC]

I explained. We could have a doctor, and there's a possibility of someone killing the same target.

I'm sure that COULD be possible. But let's look at the two people he mentioned: Cabd and Alina. Both of them were viewed as town by a majority of the players. I don't think anyone outside of you with Alina had a scumread anywhere on those two. Why would a vig take them out? What faction eliminates the top townreads who are threats to them?

PEdit: Kinda ninja'd

[TheAdrienC]

What the fuck else could Wake have been talking about by referring to them like that? What other explanation could there possibly be?

[TheAdrienC]

How many scummers do we think are left? Could Wake be the last one?

[TheAdrienC]

VOTE: Juls

Wait, what?

[TheAdrienC]

Boon...could you elaborate on me?

[TheAdrienC]

for me**

[TheAdrienC]

We would need three mislynches to lose if there is one scum, if my math is right.

[TheAdrienC]

Guys, let's not overreact. I want to hear from Wake before we even think of moving anywhere else.

[TheAdrienC]

Guys, let's not overreact. I want to hear from Wake before we even think of moving anywhere else.

Fake.

I'm sorry, how would be the real way of expressing that I don't want you or anyone else lynched until we hear that the fuck Wake's post was about?

[TheAdrienC]

And I'm done defending her. Have fun, Boon.

[TheAdrienC]

You see, I had a suspicion, but her reaction really makes me want her lynched toDay. Only one vote was cast upon you. There was no reason to react the way you did. Super oversensitive.

Of course I am sensitive to the one of two confirmed townies voting me. If it were shad, Adrien, BT, or Wake I wouldn't bat an eye but they are going to sheep you. So yeah, I am pissed that the one active person that I know to be town is fucking it up.

Yeah, and the one person to say "Hey, slow it down", you basically took a shit on. I'm done.

[TheAdrienC]

I still think we need to hear an explanation from Wake before we discuss what to do with Juls.

[TheAdrienC]

Well, that's interesting.

Basically, I am the Odd-Night Vigilante.

The first two I targeted were Cabd and Alina. My third target for Night 5 was AdrienC, and had PM'd Toomai the target. Apparently the kill failed. The remaining Scum killed Mirhawk. There is one left, because 3 Mafia are dead and I pegged the SK. I was probably roleblocked or jailed, which would mean the remaining Scum probably has a PR. We should assume that to be on the safe side. That, or the only other option is that another Townie blocked my kill attempt.

Why else would I reveal at the end of Day 5 like that? I was very surprised I wasn't killed Night 4, and am sure Scum left me alive because they think I'm a bad Town player. If you all think I am the remaining Scum in spite of the past events, there's probably little I can do to persuade you to lynch someone else. What I do hope for is for you all to read through my posts once I'm dead, and thoroughly question the kill discrepancies, and see for yourself the crumbs I kept leaving about how we were in multiball.

You realize you just confirmed my Odd Night Commuter, right?

[TheAdrienC]

No, I did not. I claimed Odd Commuter! Lynch all liars time.

Vote: Juls

[TheAdrienC]

Hmm

I have to admit that I thought Reinoe was town. Looking back at his posts isn't very informative in regards to who he may be scum with either.

It's easier to discern players he probably wasn't aligned with, but these are also of limited use as there is still a very clear possibility of multiple scum factions.

The only observation I'd be willing to commit on is that he probably isn't on a team with Wake.

I also kind of think those nightkills make sense if there were two scumteams looking for one another. This would be an opportune time to do so as there are already a lot of townie bodies on the ground.

I agree with...well, all of this. Although I think if they were scumteams looking for eachother there are better targets out there. ALTHOUGH I suppose they could be leaving the obvious ones outside their own faction alive as lynch fodder?

@Adrien What's your hunch regarding SKOT? I'm curious. What do you mean by the way his flip was worded proves there's only one group? I was thinking the opposite. I assume that there are two scum factions and one shot notscience and one shot Reinoe...am I missing something w/the wording?

I think the Mafia designates someone to send to do the kill and they show up as the person visiting. So yes, NM could still easily be scum. He just didn't kill anybody. Unless SKOT and him are scumbuddies and are lying or something.

The quote I said I was gonna come back to about SKOT. Every single PR from the town we have had flip from the town had an even/odd night modifier with it. SKOT's claim, if I recall correctly, was a full tracker claim. That is drawing a red flag on my radar.

Do you have an even/odd night modifier? No need to say which you are, but do you have one?

My hunch is that his claim was a lie. Everyone else was a even/odd doctor or vig...he claimed he was a straight tracker...no odd/even. As for mine, I didn't outright say it in my claim, but I heavily hinted that I was an odd night commuter. I was daring someone to try to NK me on NIGHT ONE before Sally drew out my claim. I'm just as safe tonight. Last night was a chance for someone to get me.

P-Edit: I did not notice that until you said something. We are DEFINITELY dealing with some sort of secondary evil.

[TheAdrienC]

Sorry I couldn't highlight the specific part. I'm on my iPhone. But it's in that big paragraph at the end.

[TheAdrienC]

You asked, insinuated I was lying and voted on me before I could respond. You were implying I was lying about my claim. Plus, I've heard from Wake now. His side of the story is believable. Now my eyes turn to you.

[TheAdrienC]

...You have had the absolute worst case of tunneling I think I have ever seen in a game of Mafia.

[TheAdrienC]

BUT at the same time you have gone and said "PLEASE LYNCH SHADOW TOMORROW!!" and "BROOD IS TOTALLY LURKING SCUM!!". Hey class, what faction is going to want to spread around suspicion and chaos to confuse the town by accusing (not suspecting, outright accusing) more people of being scum than there are likely members of scum left in just a couple of pages?

[TheAdrienC]

And what are people who actually get commuter in a game with you supposed to do, Juls? Is the no such thing as a commuter role? Is no one ever going to have that role in the history of mafia ever again? I can't help what role I ended up with. But the fact I claimed Odd Night Commuter on night one and Wake couldn't kill me on Night 5, don't you think it makes my claim believeable?

[TheAdrienC]

Not night one, day one. My bad.

[TheAdrienC]

Someone hammer her.

[TheAdrienC]

Who said that?

[TheAdrienC]

If there's one scum, yes.

[TheAdrienC]

Juls has really got a hard on for getting rid if me no matter what the evidence days.

[TheAdrienC]

Says. Sorry, phone posting at work.

[TheAdrienC]

Brood was cop confirmed, if I'm not mistaken. Might be why he gone. I was probably left alive because I was so easy to probably push a lynch with with Juls alive. Granted, I know I'll survive tonight.

[TheAdrienC]

I'll wait before voting, but I have a pretty good idea where I'm going.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm leaning towards BT, actually. And I've had people wanting to lynch me since Day 1. If I was scum, I would've left someone like me alive as lynchbait.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm actually surprised you weren't NK'd, Wake.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm at work. I'll look over your posts when I get off tonight.

[TheAdrienC]

Phone posting as my net is giving me problems. Yeah, there's no way in hell I'm allowing Wake to be lynched. And honestly, I can't see myself voting Boon. To me, it has to be shadow or BT.

[TheAdrienC]

Hotspotting from my phone real quick and will hopefully have my full internet again tomorrow.

For commuting and killing: My role PM doesn't really explain how killing and commuting takes place since I am a member of the town, but I always thought that by me leaving the town, I can't do anything else along with not being able to have anything done to me.

As for if I could be a roleblocker: I would have to be the luckiest scum roleblocker on the planet to successfully block Aero and Wake from killing especially since I didn't know either to be their roles til their flip and claim respectively. And if I was a scum roleblocker, I wouldn't block a vig who would help add to the NK count. Thankfully, that's not the case.

As for who the scum is: Boon is cop-confirmed. I'm trusting what Aegor said as "Hey, I'm clearing Boon". I also know for a fact I'm town. and unless Wake is pulling one of the greatest gambits I've ever seen, his claim makes sense to me. The only two unknowns to me are Shadowez and Burning_Town, the latter of which has been a lot scummier in my eyes.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm worried the scum was expecting that. But then again, unless we're missing something, it has to be one of them. I trust you, Wake. It's your call.

[TheAdrienC]

Maybe one of the other two factions targeted me and didn't want to say anything?

[TheAdrienC]

Sorry about me not being here a lot. I'm still waiting for AT&T to fix our internet.

If I had claimed I was a commuter just now, I could see you saying "Oh maybe he's a roleblocker". But I claimed it day one so I have to have "winning the lottery luck" to fakeclaim it as a roleblocker and block you from killing me. How would I know you were killing me when you gave no indication of targeting me? How would I know you were a vig? Keep in mind, my first reaction when I saw that post of your old targets was a scum slip and I immediately voted for you, meaning I had no indication you were a vig.

Couldn't the mafia have something like a role cop to search for PRs?

[TheAdrienC]

Heh, I actually were suspicious you were the SK with your crumbs, to be honest. Then Aero flipped.

[TheAdrienC]

So none of them even looked Shadow's way?

[TheAdrienC]

Shadowez is creeping on my radar though it still damn well could be Burning Town.

[TheAdrienC]

Day One, I gave you a lot of grief, to be honest. But so did a lot of people. I started to lay off a bit as the game went on.

[TheAdrienC]

Is it possible both me and wake are alive because our flip might confirm the other and the scum wants as much confusion as possible?

[TheAdrienC]

Lol! Dude, you are a vig who wasn't killed! The same argument can be made for you. I really hope another game can hurry up and end so I can give you some meta on me.

[TheAdrienC]

Let me get my hotspot set up. I can't keep arguing on my iPhone.

[TheAdrienC]

If I had claimed I was a commuter just now, I could see you saying "Oh maybe he's a roleblocker". But I claimed it day one so I have to have "winning the lottery luck" to fakeclaim it as a roleblocker and block you from killing me. How would I know you were killing me when you gave no indication of targeting me? How would I know you were a vig? Keep in mind, my first reaction when I saw that post of your old targets was a scum slip and I immediately voted for you, meaning I had no indication you were a vig.

Rephrase this.

How likely is it that I set up an Odd Night Commuter fakeclaim on Day One to have it confirmed on Night 6 by just so happening to roleblock the Odd Night Vigilante on Night Five? Occum's Razor, Wake. What's the most reasonable explanation that someone who claimed to be untargetable on Odd Nights survive an Odd Night Vig attempt? I had no idea you were a vig, I had no idea you were targeting me, so even if I was a roleblocker, why would I target you for a roleblock? Scum would probably want the vig to take out another townie, right?

The reason you couldn't kill me was because I vacated the premises. You practically confirmed that. If there was a way to safely do this, I'd say go ahead and make a kill this night phase without tell me if it will be me or someone else. If you try to kill me, it will fail. If you try to kill someone else, it will succeed. 100% of the time. I don't have an active role. I have a blue little P on my role PM where it says I am gone for the night.

And if there is a roleblocker, there is a chance that person is someone else, not necessarily the person you targeted. Personally, with all these roles the town has, I'm seriously thinking there's something to help the scum find PRs like a rolecop.

As for why I'm alive this far into the game, they probably wanted me alive with Juls since it would be possible to lynch me and they probably didn't want to kill last night me to confirm you.

[TheAdrienC]

Lol! Dude, you are a vig who wasn't killed!

The same argument can be made for you.

I really hope another game can hurry up and end so I can give you some meta on me.

Did you not say you trusted me? Just words made to crumble, I see.

My vote stands. I suspect you're a Roleblocker, who roleblocked me Day 5, and killed someone else at the same time thanks to Toomai mentioning that Scum could do both at the same time. It fits, and you've conveniently made it look like you're an Odd-Night Commuter.

I trust you to be town at this point, Wake. Because I know that the mafia has to be either Shadow or B_T.

[TheAdrienC]

Remember when you said I'm alive for a reason and you're alive for a reason despite the fact we've claimed PRs. This is why, Wake. Leave only one of us alive, the rest of them know for a fact that person is town because they confirm what we (whether you forgot it or not) know and that is you are a vig and I am a commuter. By leaving us both alive, they are making everyone wonder about our claims, wonder why we are still alive, and hope it might drive a mislynch on a PR.

[TheAdrienC]

You miss that kill, we lose, Wake. There are two choices between Shadowez and B_T with a 50/50 shot of either one of them being the scum. You sure you can mislynch me and pick the right one?

[TheAdrienC]

No, you failed to kill me Night 5. You are ignoring Occum's Razor.

[TheAdrienC]

Shadowez's vote screams opportunistic.

[TheAdrienC]

You don't think this whole thing was a clever reaction test by Wake like Day One, is it?

[TheAdrienC]

Maybe. I'm not gonna hammer Shadowez just yet. We need more info from BT.

[TheAdrienC]

Gah...he's annoying me. Consider this intent to hammer.

[TheAdrienC]

There's one thing that's stopping me from hammering, and that's the possibility BurningTown is scum. I mean, here are the scenarios:

1) I hammer Shaddowez, he's scum, we win.

2) Hammer, he flips town, Wake wastes his kill on me, scum should kill Boon if they are smart and want this last thing to happen, Wake votes me claiming his killed failed because I roleblocked him, BT quickhammers, we lose.

3) BT comes online and quick hammers, I flip town, Wake kills one of them two and the other one is scum, game over.

4) Same as above but Wake kills the right one, we win.

5) Shaddowez flips town and Wake does the right thing and kills Burning Town, we win.

[TheAdrienC]

That won't be necessary.

[TheAdrienC]

Although you're gonna laugh as my flip isn't roleblocker.

[TheAdrienC]

One shot Bulletproof. Commuter claim was a gambit I planned from the start.

[TheAdrienC]

It honestly looked like it was gonna work too.

[TheAdrienC]

Haha, Juls, you had me pegged from the start. You were impressive.

[TheAdrienC]

I knew that if I hammered, Wake was killing me. I wanted more time to convince Wake that killing BT was the way to go.

[TheAdrienC]

It's a shiny Salamance.

[TheAdrienC]

Why was Brood killed over me, Adrien? And haha, Aegor totally won it for us.


@tn - it's green, yo.

I thought that, in the case of a longshot JoaT or something like that was hiding around, they would protect you. I thought Brood, the other cop confirmed, would have been 100% able to do.

[TheAdrienC]

Toomai, you had a great game, most fun I've had in a mafia game.

Wake, you got me! I panicked a little when I realized you were shifting to distrusting me.

[TheAdrienC]

I didn't mean to run Sal out of the game. I was just trying to stay alive.

[TheAdrienC]

TheAdrienC - I struggle with what to say to you. Your fakeness can be forgiven because you were, well, fake, cause you had to be. Hopefully you can improve on that.

I've actually been lynched as town for sounding fake so if you have any advice on how to work on that, it would be a tremendous help.

PEdit, Happy birthday, Mirhawk.

[TheAdrienC]

I think that was directed at me? Haha. I will, thank you.

[TheAdrienC]

I didn't do it in game because I felt like I was digging a deeper hole, haha.

[TheAdrienC]

Farside, do you accept hydras in your good poet doubtfire theme game?

I will be accepting at least 2 hydra's

Me and Alina have been discussing hydra-ing. We agreed we would do this one. I'm a huge RW fan.

[TheAdrienC]

Sorry. Me and Alina has been planning a hydra for a while now. Haha

[TheAdrienC]

My V/LA was real. I worked a closing shift, a double, then an opener and knew that was prod-able in this and other games.

[TheAdrienC]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6129480

I approve of this.