NY175: Sycamore Scuffle

[Aegor]

Which is, by the way, why I am not buying the reaction test excuse at all.

Juls, who are your top townreads at the moment?

[Aegor]

I do not think you will get lynched today. I want to hear the silent players who have not yet posted.

[Aegor]

...should memory serve,

both

of them were

quite

happy on the last three mislynches.

I am still quite happy about two of those three mislynches.

Also, I'd rather not have the good townsfolk forget my thoughts on the possibility of an Odd-Night Vigilante.

Shut the

fuck

up. You are so unbelievably dumb I am surprised you are even able to use a computer.

Your theory is moronic. I have already explained why. Other players have already explained why. Your persistent commitment to this theory that clearly has been fabricated by the most feeble and unstable of minds is incomprehensible.

Apparently if there is one, he or she didn't answer my prayers last night. What sort of cruel being does that? And let's not forget that there were two deaths Night 2, in spite of the Even-Night Vigilante dying the night before. If there is one, I don't quite understand these latest happenings. Oh well. Something to ponder later I guess.

Do not waste your two brain cells pondering it. If they have not helped you yet, they will not in the future.

Well little lady, seeing as we're in Day 4 with nothing but mislynches, your abject stupidity is in question.

From the person who thinks there is another Vig?

If you're mislynched today, I would see Aegor and/or Aeronaut lynched. As you well know Scum needs to fabricate reasons to drive mislynches.

Yes; I look forward to seeing which other players else you line for lynches and what reasons you will fabricate in the future.

[Aegor]

Also missing

BP

and

BT

[Aegor]

Especially since

BP

has accessed the site today...

[Aegor]

UNVOTE:

[Aegor]

Everyone should sheep me on BP right now. Not to do so is simply postponing the inevitable. Also, not posting yet while still being on-site is hella scummy.

[Aegor]

How is putting someone at L-3 within about 24 hours of a new day when not all players have even posted yet reconcilable with being "leery about a quick run up?"



Also, vote BP. Seriously.

[Aegor]

VOTE: BP

I meant to vote in my last post, but then I saw my vote in my hyperlinked post and forgot.

[Aegor]

Also, vote BP. His lynch is unstoppable.

[Aegor]

Aero, vote BP. Trust me. Doooooooooooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

[Aegor]

Juls is L-1

L-2; I unvoted.

Please, no one even think of hammering. BP still needs to check in, for one, and I have plenty I want to discuss.

[Aegor]

Fuck you and your lynch the lurkers. AGAIN, you're asking people to lynch another player on the sole bases of lurking. Or do you have anything else on me? I really want to know.

You are more than welcome to re-read my post detailing my reasons for thinking that you are scum. I also know that you are scum. It is hyperlinked in my above post for your convenience.

Aegor is my strongest scumread up until now. How can we let go that he pushed for all 3 of the mislynches. As someone said, scum usually needs to fabricate reasons for scumreads. He goes for lurkers, and lurkers aren't scum all the time - Clusk, HS and SKOT have proven that. So LET'S NOT LYNCH ON THE BASES OF LURKING AGAIN. PLEASE.

No one is advocating another lurker lynch. Obviously not all lurkers are mafia. I did not push the SKOT lynch; that is a lie. I did not push the Clusk lynch; that is also a lie. The HS lynch was a good lynch.

Other scumreads include Adrien, for pushing the mislynch on SKOT. Fuck it, the case sounded good, but he was the one who come up with SKOT as scum. Aegor promptly jumped in on it. I'm not sure if they're scumbuds, but I don't remember them having an argument or anything, so they may have been avoiding that a connection be made. Of course that Aegor just never went for him because I don't remember Adrien being accused of lurking.

Tell me, is Adrien your buddy, or are you throwing two townies under the bus?

So, what do you have on me?

Hyperlinks, man. Although I do have my ace in the hole.

Vote Aegor. His lynch is the optimal one.

For your scum wincon, yes.

I'm going to hold on to this information, because I still have reservations about there being an Odd-Night Town Vigilante. It's fine if that bothers you. If there is, then the discrepancy on Night 2 will undoubtedly merit discussion. It wouldn't be wise to forget it, probably.

Tell me, what

positive

reason is there for believing that there is another Vig?

I am wondering how, after Aegor's been on the last three mislynches—and was currently on the current wagon—what made him hop off.

Juls was just a placeholder to see what happened and how BP would respond. My plan was foiled partially by having Juls get to near-lynch that early, but BP chose not to join her wagon.

Toomai fixed this particular quote block.

Aegor, is it fair to say you lynched the last three players because they were lurkers?

No, given that I did not lynch them. I voted for Clusk as a compromise. I pushed for HS because he was both a lurker and scummy. I cannot see how I could be said to have lynched SKOT when I was the fourth vote on him and woke up to his lynch. Especially since I asked him a question that would largely have determined whether my pressure vote stayed or not.

Juls was momentarily (or not) stupid in her actions, but not a lurker. You and Aeronaut got on her wagon, yet you then move to BP. Are you voting BP because he is lurking, too?

No; I am voting BP because there is 0% he is not scum. This is not HS-levels of confidence; this is exponentially higher certainty. Total certainty. BP is absolutely scum.

I am trying to discern whether you're being consistent, and would appreciate your feedback on that. Also, Aegor, how are you reading Aeronaut and TWIE currently?

Aero is null; I like TWIE. Both of them will be scummy to me if they do not vote for BP soon.

[Aegor]

Mod, would you mind adding in the missing quote tag to the post above? "Aegor, is it fair...were lurkers?" should be in a quote block.

Indeedy.

[Aegor]

0% Aegor?

Thats good enough for me.

Unvote
Vote: BP

yeeeeeeeeeesssssssss

Others, join us and participate in the salvation of this wretched town!

[Aegor]

Oh look, a shit wagon is forming because Aegor said there's a 0% chance BP isn't Scum. With confident statements like that, who needs reasoning? Anyone else notice the sheeping?

You should sheep, given that you clearly believe that at least one of {BP, Aegor} is scum. Sheeping me will inevitably lead to a scum lynch.

Also, I have reasoning. I have mentioned at least three times in the last page where my reasons were, and I linked to them for everyone's convenience. How can you possibly claim that I have no reasons for voting BP?

Or maybe Aegor's soft-claimed Cop and has a Guilty on BP?

Uh, no. But thanks for more of your terrible setup spec.

Because he's telling us to lynch someone without providing any reasons at all.

This is now the fifth time that I have mentioned in the last page that I posted my reasons. Go to the post before my BP vote today; it has what you want.

And if he did supposedly have a guilty on BP and is softclaiming Cop, why would he vote you first and then flip-flop, Juls?

I am not a softclaiming Cop. I did, however, explain why exactly I voted for Juls in this post.

READ MY POSTS, YOU DONUT.

Wanna clear things up, Aegor?

Juls, shouldn't the Cop(s) stay hidden for now?

Please explain with your clearly unique intellect how these two statements are reconcilable, given that you were also calling for a Cop CC based on an erroneous perception of a Cop softclaim on my part.

There could ALSO be two Cops.

One even, one Odd. Same with Doctors. Same with Tracker. Probably the same with Vigs.

Yes. Two Cops and a Tracker. Or two, apparently. That seems very balanced.

[Aegor]

Wake, you are hilariously terrible. You are, no joke, the absolute worst player I have ever seen in the context of setups with PRs. Your setup spec, your fishing expeditions, your false interpretations of "softclaims," your contradictory statements, your potential outing of PRs are all truly unbelievable. Scum could not ask for a better ally.

You should reevaluate how you play any setup with PRs and, until then, play only in Moutainous setups.

[Aegor]

This is ridiculous. Why would he vote Juls first then?

I already explained.

Why didn't I join any if the wagons then?

So this defense would be available to you, scumbutt.

Why them was the COP on the last three wagons on town??

I AM NOT THE COP.

I do appreciate your scumflailing, though. Especially given how irrational it is. Why would some theoretical cop know all alignments? If not, then why would it be unusual at all for the cop to be on town wagons?


SCUMFLAIL

[Aegor]

Omgf you're going for him, again? Remember the last three times?? Remember HS??

I was not responsible for any of those lynches except the HS lynch. More flailing.

And thanks for your sudden spike in activity.

[Aegor]

This whole game is full of terrible. The mod has been super nice and I hate to screw him over, otherwise I would have already replaced out. I have never had a game that has so many people I want to add to my blacklist.

I know. I am nominating Toomai for a scummy as soon as this game is over. LOL

[Aegor]

Fine, lynch me. This is gonna put us near fucking bankruptcy, but do it. Just make fucking sure you do Aegor next.

Do you mean when you flip scum?

[Aegor]

UNVOTE:
If you aren't the cop I can't take it on face value. Let me look at the case closer.

Read the case. Also consider that Alina was scumreading BP for reasons that I believe I alluded to in my case-post yesterday, and she is dead.

[Aegor]

Also Juls is pretty obviously town; anyone voting her at this point is clearly scumclaiming.

TWIE is now the towniest player in the game. That is good, because I was extremely ambivalent about Scarab.

[Aegor]

I will line up my own lynch. No joke. If BP flips town, I will 100% not accept any lynch tomorrow except my own. BP has done literally nothing town at all this entire game. He has flip-flopped on HS, me, and his own view on policy lynches. Alina suspected him, and is dead.

I am

telling

you that there is no chance whatsoever that he is town. This day will be better the shorter it is. REALLY, REALLY, trust me on this one.

If BP's town, Aegor dies.

Yes, yes. Now vote BP.

Aegor hasn't one damned good reason for saying BP is 0% Town, unless he's implying he's got a guilty on him.

Stop fishing. You are bad and should feel bad. I have presented extremely compelling reasons that BP is 0% town.

Absolutely no one living is mod-confirmed Town.

No kidding. But BP is scum. Scumscumscumscumscum.

Vote BP.

You're about to lose my vote too, Aegor, with all due respect. If he's not the cop then I can't blindly sheep him saying he's 1000% sure on BP.

You are not sheeping me blindly. I explained why BP is scum; my reasons are compelling. They do not rely on "feelings;" they do not rely on interpretation of posts. The case is factual. It is the strongest case yet presented.

VOTE BP NOW.

Aegor, you said there's 0% chance BP's Town.

You're also demanding people to vote him.

And you now say you're not the Cop.

Sum it up what your EXACT reasoning IS.

You are more than welcome to read the effing game.

VOTE BP NOW.

[Aegor]

Yeah, that's not gonna work, Scumfuck.

Let us withhold alignment judgments so as not to look bad in retrospect, yes?

You were the one bullshitting with your obvious crumbs about BP needing to be lynched, yet when I point out how Goddamned obvious it was you turn around and say I'm trying to out PRs. Like what the fuck, are you serious?

I do not bullshit. Or maybe I should just claim cop and then claim guilties on people based on my own gut? What do you think, Wake? How the hell has that worked out for you?

If you flip Scum, Juls will become very suspect, which wouldn't surprise me if you're also white-knighting.

Great. BP flip first.

And why exactly is TWIE to you the towniest player here in your opinion?

Unique rationality and clear understanding of the game.

Why.

I already explained.

[Aegor]

When HS was at L-1, coincidentally, Aegor said he was absolutely, 100% sure HS was scum. He even offered to be lynched the next day, and that's how sure he was. Why should any of us believe him now? It's literally the same gambit.

This is not a gambit. BP is actually scum. 100% scum. There is no way he is not flipping scum.

BP has done very little to make me suspect he's scum. The HS hypocrisy thing is a bit sketchy, but there isn't much besides that.

That is far more substantial than anything else anyone has done.

You on the other hand have wanted a quicklynch almost every day. Every day except today of course.

Lies. I did not want a quicklynch Day 1. I did not want a quicklynch Day 2 -- HS was the clear wagon and the game was stalling; I was not pushing for a premature end. I did not want a quicklynch Day 3; SKOT was lynched in my absence without even being able to respond to the question that I asked him, a question that I surely would not have asked had I wanted a quicklynch.

And the really sad part is that you cannot even end your bout of lunacy with an accurate statement. I absolutely want a quicklynch today. On BP. Who is scum. He is getting lynched regardless.

you suddenly want to hear from everyone before lynching.

Why the change in attitude, Aegor?

I wanted to hear from BP before lynching him. Everyone else is irrelevant to me; they were only included in any relevant statement in order to couch BP and prevent any tip-off. That was shot to hell when this moronic town put Juls at L-2 or whatever within, what 24 hours and a page and a half of the beginning of the day?

I think that Juls, Aegor, and TWIE are scumbuddies.

The only competent, obvtown people are scumbuddies? Awesome analysis right there.

Aegor initially votes for Juls, using similar reasoning to me.

The wagon grows quickly. Aegor says that he doesn't think Juls should get lynched today, despite still having a vote on her.

He unvotes. Then, suddenly, BP is his target out of nowhere.

Except BP was my prime target yesterday as well. So read the game, you boob.

He then scolds the rest of us for wagoning too quickly. Again, a complete contrast from D1/D2 when Aegor wanted lynch as soon as possible.

Except I did not want to lynch ASAP, so you are vomiting out noxious bullshit.

Once BP's wagon starts growing, Aegor is suddenly back to wanting the quickest lynch possible.

Because I know BP is scum. Next.

Aegor counterwagoned.

He started this BS BP wagon to take the wagon off of Juls. He's using his "If BP flips town you can vote me tomorrow" thing again because for some reason, it worked last time, and it brings his scum team one step closer to winning the game. Why else would he change his mind so suddenly?

I am happy to 1-1 BP. I was happy to 1-1 HS; it is really not my problem that you did not take me up on it. And it was to the town's great benefit that you (and the others) did not. Pursue my lynch tomorrow, or consider yourself outed as scum once BP flips scum.

I've also been watching TWIE. Juls was still pretty close to being lynched, and he defends her with this gem. And then, he sheeps Aegor.

TWIE sheeped me because he is not a fucking idiot and can read the subtext.

So you could say he's pretty eager for the day to be over as well.

Again, he is not an idiot.

The two of them really don't want to vote Juls, so if they're scum it's likely she is scum with them. The reason I think Aegor picked BP is because he is extremely unavailable. BP won't be around to defend himself much, as he said a few posts above. The perfect scapegoat

For what? Scapegoat for what?

I'm alright with lynching any of the three of them. We should lynch Aegor, and when he flips scum, we should lynch the other two. If we vote BP now and he flips town, tomorrow is too late to lynch Aegor. We're running out of time, and BP is not the lynch today.

BP is the only lynch for today. You can delay the inevitable, but it will be upon you. And you are standing on the wrong side of the line in the sand right now. I suggest you cross over before you doom yourself.

That being said nothing is saving Aegor tomorrow if BP flips town, so if he was scum that would make this a 1-1 trade. Which is a bad trade to make as scum so I'm inclined to take this as a town move.

Yes.

@Aegor
Your case on BP doesn't really do too much for me. His flip flopping on opinions regarding HS happens over a long span of posts.
Reading him over in ISO reveals a fairly lackluster play. Your comment about him ignoring Wake and Scarab is rather more interesting as he focused pretty heavily on them before.

How certain are you on BP?

Mod-confirmed scum levels of certainty. Vote BP.

We might not be in Lylo today, but we might be tomorrow, and if he flips town there's pretty good odds we're going to lose.

This is not a gambit. One of {BP, Aegor} is scum.

Yeah I was going to say Wake's probably a serial killer, but I guess I was beat to it.

Totally called this last game day, I think.

[Aegor]

Let me just be absolutely clear:

BP is getting lynched today

. This town has enough non-idiot members to make this outcome inexorable. So you can be pro-town and do it now, or be anti-town and do it later. I suppose fighting against the lynch could more readily expose his scumbuddies, but my guess is that some have seen the writing on the wall and are already voting him.

The lynch is happening. We can do it now or later, but the day is already sufficiently firmly on a particular course that there will be little benefit to prolonging it. Expect nothing from BP; he knows he is a dead man walking.

So just vote BP.

[Aegor]

Aegor

- You seemed as confident about the HS lynch as you do about the BP lynch. Were you pushing the HS wagon as more of a PL, or do you have more compelling evidence to ensure that you are correct about this one?

HS was a combination of PL/scummy. I was not as confident about HS as I am about BP. I have much more reason to believe that BP is scum.

[Aegor]

omg. Do not make me do this. Also, scumbuddy identified.

[Aegor]

That day was ready to end. Sorry for not wanting to waste time.

My conviction is categorically different here. We can wait for BP to fakeclaim, but we need not bother; it will not change anything.

[Aegor]

Yayayayaya. Just hammer him, someone.

[Aegor]

Yes I know.

This town sucks ass at subtext. I got you.

[Aegor]

Boon, hammah

[Aegor]

I figure some combination of Aeronaut, Adrien, and Burning_Town are scum. If the scum faction is big enough probably all of them.

Why are you voting BP then?

Good question, though.

[Aegor]

Aegor, if BP flips scum, who is scum? Also, if he flips town, who is scum?

When BP flips scum, I will look at Burning_Town, Aero. Then Adrien, Wake.

I would say at most one scum is out of that group.

[Aegor]

Not liking him for maf; possible SK.

[Aegor]

Cannot believe that worked.

For what it is worth, my strongest townreads (like really strong townreads) before today were Boonskiies and Broodking. Juls and TWIE were added over the course of today.

[Aegor]

He is flipping scum. And both Boon and Brood are just as town as BP is scum, despite their recent posts. Lynching either of them would be an equally large mistake as not lynching BP today would have been.

[Aegor]

@Wake:

Nice job at the end. I strongly disagree with your early kills, and the fact that you and scum shot the same people is...not awesome, but nice job with setup spec at the end. As a note, Commuters should never, under any circumstances, be considered cleared.

@Toomai:

Thank you for modding this game. It had a great setup, my role was awesome, and this was the smoothest and most aesthetically beautiful modding I have seen in some time.

@All:

If you want more Large Normals, Wake's is now in signups, and you should definitely pre-in for mine.

[Aegor]

By the way, good job town for getting my inno crumbs.


Also, you all are super lucky that Aero NKed TWIE, since he by rights should have cleared himself based on his reaction to my softclaim.