NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[Aeronaut]

Yes! This game finally started! Aegor, Mirhawk, CABD and TheWayItEnds, pleasure to be playing with you again. The rest of you... hey there.


VOTE: Toomai

Your move, Chief.

[Aeronaut]

I know nero cain's gonna do it anyways but can we please not allcaps my name? It's "Cabd"

Never.

[Aeronaut]

Typical evil hydra

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Toomai

Mind explaining your nocturnal activities? My results were...damning.

VOTE: Toomai

For damning results.

~Slash

I feel like there's something I'm missing here...? Is this some kind of inside joke or are there actually things to talk about there?

Alternately, was MVP's vote just a play off of the wording from Aegor's vote? Pourquoi?

Was wondering this myself, but I sort of decided it's a joke.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Aeronaut

Whats up, Aernaut? you seem like you are just along for the ride here, piggybacking off of other people's observations and comments. Is there anything interesting that stands out to you?

Why, yes there is. Glad you asked.

THERE'S NO MERO THIS GAME YOU TOOL.

stop the Mastin bullshit. Atleast you'll post more than she does.

Why are you so hostile on page 2?

Ya I noticed that too.

My first thought was "lolnero", but its definitely kind of overdone.

This AngryPigeons guy is piggybacking off of other people's observations! He must be noosed

[Aeronaut]

I was pretty much joking.

In all seriousness, Izariael's logic seems sort of fluffy for suspecting TSO.

[Aeronaut]

I guess it's a little odd to make a second RVS. Iz just seems really focused on it

[Aeronaut]

GoodMorning is going to run out of birds soon.

Toomai, nobody is at L-2? Cabd is at L-4.

[Aeronaut]

Math.

Toomai uses Math, obvscum.

[Aeronaut]

Do you have a reason for those reads, Ceph? RVS is one thing, but you've now said those people are scummy, and voted for one. Why is TSO suspicious to you?

[Aeronaut]

People I am looking askance at: TSO, Bob, DJ, Aegor.

I don't quite get the Aegor one unless you think his whole "Im going to coast to lylo, deal with it trolls" is forced or something.

78/93 feel a little... silly? to me.

But it's not much.

As far as we know, there wasn't a Night 0 or anything. I don't know why Aegor would know any more than we do, unless he's scum. Even if he was though, and he knew Toomai was scum, there'd be no reason to randomly bus Toomai during RVS.

Basically, I think it's a weird nullish action, for now.

[Aeronaut]

I'm not a big fan of coincidences, the fact that you just happened to vote the person who voted you after missing the post he voted you in is kind of hard to swallow.

What's the scum motivation, though?

Because he tried to cover up an OMGUS.

@Aegor

Do you have any other reads besides Toomai?

[Aeronaut]

Because he tried to cover up an OMGUS.

A better way to cover up omgus is to just not omgus.

If he knew what he was doing was suspicious enough to cover up why do it in the first place?

Ehh, could've been a slip, I dunno. I just think he spent a long time explaining it away.

[Aeronaut]

Anybody can slip at anytime. If everything that happened during RVS was moot, we would never leave in RVS.

That being said, I wasn't saying Bob is scum because he OMGUSed. I was saying I didn't like the reaction.

Speaking of RVS, I believe RVS is over.

UNVOTE:

[Aeronaut]

This game is becoming......


COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: jimmy

looking back on simpler times

What the hell?

[Aeronaut]

Mod, I need to go V/LA until Thursday. I should still be able to post/ give my thoughts at least a few times a day though.

Bob's been questionable, but I don't actually see a scum motivation behind most of what he's doing. This feels like a scapegoat that scum
might be trying to get behind.

I'm awaiting Aegor's answer to my question. Won't have a real read on him until that happens.

I'm liking Izzy. That's your name now, by the way. Sorry.

Mirhawk is playing... differently than in the past. I can't quite put my finger on it. Will be watching him.


Don't have time for anyone else, I'm currently boarding the train to Philly. Will be fully back in the game by Thursday.

[Aeronaut]

@Toon
What do you think of the debate over Bob? His behaviour has drawn votes, do you think those votes are justified?

I'm finding TSO's behavior kind of offputting. It seems to be mostly snark and jokes, with very little effort being put into looking for scum.

Aren't you voting for him?


As far as TSO, the little bantery thing between him and TWIE was pretty holaripus, but I feel like it stalled the game quite a bit. TSO, what are your current scumreads?

[Aeronaut]

@Aegor

Do you have any other reads besides Toomai?

Yes. TSO is probably my biggest scumread at the moment, but I will continue voting for Toomai in order to push for his mislynch.

Anybody can slip at anytime. If everything that happened during RVS was moot, we would never leave in RVS.

That being said, I wasn't saying Bob is scum because he OMGUSed. I was saying I didn't like the reaction.

Speaking of RVS, I believe RVS is over.

UNVOTE:

Why unvote? Why not keep the vote?

I'm not following why you want a mislynch.

[Aeronaut]

[...] but I will continue voting for Toomai in order to push for his mislynch.

1. How is pushing for this mislynch pro-town?
2. How do you know it's a mislynch?
3. How do you expect to get others to join in what you state to be a mislynch?

I have no response to those questions.

....
Alright, well something shitty is going on here. I don't know if we're missing something, but someone who is pushing for a mislynch is obviously not helping us... I've seen Aegor's town game, even his cop game, and this isn't it.

VOTE: Aegor

Start providing real information, please.

[Aeronaut]

[...] but I will continue voting for Toomai in order to push for his mislynch.

1. How is pushing for this mislynch pro-town?
2. How do you know it's a mislynch?
3. How do you expect to get others to join in what you state to be a mislynch?

I have no response to those questions.

....
Alright, well something shitty is going on here. I don't know if we're missing something, but someone who is pushing for a mislynch is obviously not helping us... I've seen Aegor's town game, even his cop game, and this isn't it.

VOTE: Aegor

Start providing real information, please.

This entire line of reasoning is ridiculous.


Unless someone can think of a reason for Aegor to publicly declare his intention to mislynch it's pretty obvious he was joking.

In fact I find Toon's questions kind of scummy. If you stop to think about them for a moment you'll realize that the answers to all of them are very obvious, so obvious in fact that they're almost non-questions. This begs the question of why did Toon ask them.

Vote: Toomai

He could be joking, we don't know. But he's not contributing, or answering any questions. Doesn't that seem scummy as well?

I was watching Toomai as well. The questions aren't obvious at all. I'm curious too, why Aegor is pushing for a mislynch. If it were a joke he would have said so afterwords, when people were confused by it.

If the answers to the questions are so obvious, why not answer them for us? I'll refresh your memory.

How is pushing for this mislynch pro-town?
How do you know it's a mislynch?
How do you expect to get others to join in what you state to be a mislynch?

[Aeronaut]

I can explain why these are the answers if you want, but I think it's pretty obvious.

Giving a serious vote on somebody without reasoning whatsoever is scummy AF. If he was a cop, he wouldn't know anything at this point anyway. So we're all just allowing him to give us no information?

[Aeronaut]

That's just him being scum, Bob.

@Aeronaught, Aegor, Mirhawk, TheWayItEnds, Toomai, BicephalousBob, Boonskiies, and CABD...

Does this remind you of my scumgame(s) that you've seen before?

WIFOM. You could have just decided that you're going to act differently this time. The fact that you used it as a defense nulls it, and is a bit scummy to me actually.

Reinoe, everyone, is using the "too scummy to be scum approach." Reinoe likes to mix up his game each time by having a completely different playstyle. He even named all of his playstyles in a recent mafia discussion post.

FOS: Reinoe

Aegor still concerns me, and he needs to speak soon. Reinoe could be trying to cover up his role... I'm not voting him right now, because I'm don't have a lot of time to look through both their posts again. Will probably post again tonight

I don't know if I'm allowed to link a post that's not in a game, or if I'm even supposed to talk about it. If the latter, Mod please delete this post.

[Aeronaut]

I can explain why these are the answers if you want, but I think it's pretty obvious.

Giving a serious vote on somebody without reasoning whatsoever is scummy AF. If he was a cop, he wouldn't know anything at this point anyway. So we're all just allowing him to give us no information?

Why is this scummy? Ar eyou saying this if there are no reasons, or do the reasons count as not existing if they are simply not stated?

Are you attempting to react scummily, or ...?

Vote: reinoe

What was scumm about reinoe's reaction?

Please don't abbreviate me as "toon".

I'll never see it as referring to me and always end up confusingly re-reading posts.

Aegor's being a doofus, but it's null for now. If he continues to be a doofus as the game progresses then it'll be an issue.

reinoe's entrance is awful.

Vote: reinoe

I thought it was pretty null?

you literally asked for it

Oh you were trolling me with the "doc claim". Touche good sir. You win 7 internets.

Bicephalous isn't scum, but I'd still appreciate it if the scum team outed themselves.

So in a world where he was serious about it, he would be scum, but now that you know he wasn't, that makes him town? Why would that be alignment indicative?

That's just him being scum, Bob.

@Aeronaught, Aegor, Mirhawk, TheWayItEnds, Toomai, BicephalousBob, Boonskiies, and CABD...

Does this remind you of my scumgame(s) that you've seen before?

WIFOM. You could have just decided that you're going to act differently this time. The fact that you used it as a defense nulls it, and is a bit scummy to me actually.

Reinoe, everyone, is using the "too scummy to be scum approach." Reinoe likes to mix up his game each time by having a completely different playstyle. He even named all of his playstyles in a recent mafia discussion post.

FOS: Reinoe

Aegor still concerns me, and he needs to speak soon. Reinoe could be trying to cover up his role... I'm not voting him right now, because I'm don't have a lot of time to look through both their posts again. Will probably post again tonight

I don't know if I'm allowed to link a post that's not in a game, or if I'm even supposed to talk about it. If the latter, Mod please delete this post.

I feel like a broken record, but if you know that reinoe mixes up her playstyle every game intentionally, why would one particular playstyle be scummy?

Because posting scummy things in order to look not scummy means he's scum.

Sorry to have quoted that whole thing, phone posting currently and will be until Thursday. Leaning towards Reinoe for a vote, but will reevaluate in a few days hopefully

[Aeronaut]

So what this game looks like to me is a bunch of people defending eachother for stupid reasons. We'd probably benefit from lynching someone in one of those blocs.

[Aeronaut]

Reinoe, what's your read on Bob? Sorry if you've answered this, I can't go back and check at the moment

[Aeronaut]

Dear people who are saying "[player], you know my scum game, I'm
not playing like that"

That statement is stupid. Anyone can change their playstyle at any time, especially if they plan on using it to throw off scum.

Reinoe, please answer the question I asked you three pages ago. You can just ISO me, it's the post before this one

[Aeronaut]

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now!

TSO is complaining about clogging the thread, where this giant wall of fluff stands just a page before. Not to mention the three pages of fanfic you posted with TWIE. Sure, Reinoe is fluffing it up, but you are doing it tenfold. So stop using it as an excuse not to answer questions.

Let it be known that everything TSO has said this game has been extremely hilarious, but terribly useless at the same time.

Reinoe stopped being a scum troll as soon as I called him on it. Surprise surprise.

Mirhawk, why do you think Toomai is scummier than TSO or Reinoe?

[Aeronaut]

I'm going to need some time to read through what I've missed this game since you people are posting so flipping fast. Will probably not post here again until tomorrow afternoon when my V/LA &/ up. Sorry!

[Aeronaut]

Alright, officially back from V/LA.

This game is horrendous to read. I guess I'll share some thoughts, though.

Hey reinoe you realize that you spamming vote TSO over and over is the same thing as him saying you're scum over and over right?

Like those are functionally identical actions?

In my opinion, TSO and Reinoe are both tied for town contributions, currently at a score of "0-0"

no? I think Reinoe is clearly trolling and even if he's not then I don't really suspect him nor am I calling AP scum for answering a question/giving his two cents. (as you are implying) I only think he's scummy if Ki-Gi flips scum.

If your take away from my ki's convo is that I'm mad that he doesn't suspect AP then either I haven't done a good job of explaining why I suspect him or you are just flat out not reading and I'm going with door #2 here.

I also don't think I've been active lurking at all. I think I was inactive this game and then CABD lead the derpy charge that I was scummy for this and now everyone (including yourself) is piggybacking that argument.

You're door two option feels right for a reason. Mostly because I don't really care about what you and KI-Gi were talking about. My impression from that entire line of dialog was that you were pursuing a silly line of reasoning, and were trying very hard to make it look serious.

Your reaction to him not answering the question was also way out of proportion to the offense. I would have expected you to maybe ask him the question again, or ask if agreed with the other answer or something like that. Not go in all out attack mode and demand answers while simultaneously insinuating that it was scummy to allow others to "intrude" on your conversation.

I also don't like that you're distancing yourself from the lurking point. Calling it "Cabd's derpy change" is a soft discredit on what was a very valid point. You weren't posting, then you showed up to respond when you were mentioned. Claiming you hadn't read the game only makes this look worse as that makes it even less likely that you could just happen to notice the post you were mentioned in.

if this was how you felt why did you wait to post about it and not say this in 451?

I was feeling snarkier then I had been in 514. Also I had to go back and dig up that quote of you demanding that Ki-Gi had to be offended by someone else answering his question.

Mirhawk, why do you think Toomai is scummier than TSO or Reinoe?

Toomai's questions were scummy.

His questions were unnecessary and give me the vibe that he was trying to look like he was scumhunting while not actually doing it.

And if they were serious questions I see them as being even worse. Aegor probably couldn't have actually answered those questions without looking either foolish or scummy. Which makes me think that they were loaded questions, which is to say questions designed to make Aegor look bad. I don't just find that anti town, I think that's right out scummy.

As for TSO and reinoe, I'm nullish on both of them. Objectively speaking I find TSO scummier then reinoe, but that's kind of splitting hairs.

I like this post quite a bit. I was having serious doubts about Mirhawk this round, but this post sort of renegged them. Welcome to the leaning town pile, may I take your order?

Playing mafia while being drunk is the best

This whole game is drunk.

Still happy with Ki-Gi vote. TSO votes continue not to make any sense.

My current lynchpool is {DJ, Toomai, Ki-Gi}

I fail to see scum in Ki-Gi. I don't know if I've missed it or what, but honestly I don't get the reservations towards Ki-Gi.

Toomai has spent the game avoiding commenting on anything through the excuse of "this game is long and I don't feel like reading it". I'm not liking his reactions to anything, really. His reads list was very... safe. Basically a reiteration of what everyone else's thoughts are. I'm not a fan.


Reinoe vs TSO is town on town. They just don't like each other in general. It's who's on their wagons that I'm interested in. Lets take a look.

reinoe [L-5]

- Bicephalous Bob, T S O, Toomai

T S O [L-6]

- Ki-Gi, reinoe

Yea, I think it's time for a Toomai lynch. Ki-gi being there sort of worries me.

VOTE: Toomai

[Aeronaut]

No, Aeronaut, you're thinking of something and I can't say it but it's wrong. This has absolutely nothing to do with policy. This is a scum lynch.

Tell me something Reinoe has done scummy besides being a fluffy sheep?

[Aeronaut]

@Reinoe, if you had to choose one, who would you rather lynch, Aegor or Mirhawk, and why?

[Aeronaut]

@Reinoe, if you had to choose one, who would you rather lynch, Aegor or Mirhawk, and why?

Ewwww that question. I'll mull this over tomorrow. I can't guarantee I'll answer.

Answer the question, or I'm going to assume you are avoiding it.

[Aeronaut]

Ki-gi seems town to me, but that's the one thing that seems less townish to me.

[Aeronaut]

What is exactly less townish there? You think he's just bandwagon hopping?

I think it's possible.

[Aeronaut]

I'm not sure I know what BEETLEJUICE is... (I've seen the movie once but it was over 15 years ago...) Based on the context, I'm led to believe it's when a lurking player suddenly appears when their name is spoken? In which case no, I don't think it's a tell.

Yes that is pretty much it. I believe it has its name because the character Beetlejuice would appear when his name was called? Its been ages since I've seen that movie/cartoon.

Aeronaut: Were you content with Reinoe's answer to your question? What do you make of it?

I think that Reinoe gave a safe answer. It's something to keep in mind for late game if any of the three get that far.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: MVP

You were so set on voting for Toomai, what's with the change of heart all of a sudden?

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: MVP

You were so set on voting for Toomai, what's with the change of heart all of a sudden?

Change of heart?

You've changed your vote.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: MVP

You were so set on voting for Toomai, what's with the change of heart all of a sudden?

Change of heart?

You've changed your vote.

What's so scummy about Toonami?

What's so town about you? This the head suspecting you since page oh 1 or 2.

Is this the part where I say "Read my ISO" and ignore the rest of the questions?

Actually, I'll be nice this time. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6139689

As for why am I town... the answer is because my role PM says so.

[Aeronaut]

Whoops, I accidentally my link. Here ya go, bra -> http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6136596

That's my Toomai reasoning. MVP just stikes me as lazy, not really scum. Toomai strikes me as jumpy.

[Aeronaut]

And if

Toonam

i is town, what would you think of the MVP lynch?

Spoiler:

Who is that question directed towards?

[Aeronaut]

I an so watching the Simpsons marathon.

[Aeronaut]

@Aeronaught:

whom are your scumreads?

@Izariael:

same question.

Toomai. MVP could be scum too. I feel like they're just lazy though. They'd probably defend harder if they were scum.

I have one or two more, but I'm waiting to see if they keep doing what they're doing, so I don't want them to know I'm onto them at the moment.

[Aeronaut]

Really sorry everyone, I need to give this game more love.

Will be catching up.

[Aeronaut]

Going to have to replace out of this game.

Really sorry guys, I had an unanticipated amount of life pop up.