NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

First. Thread clearly won.

[Cabd]

Close. I grew up to become "Every Breath You Take"

LAL!

[Cabd]

I know nero cain's gonna do it anyways but can we please not allcaps my name? It's "Cabd"

[Cabd]

MVP is guy and freezer and varsoon.

The other one is nero cain (he altslipped elsewhere) second head unknown.

[Cabd]

He probably is, that's the third head I was forgetting about.

[Cabd]

58 felt pretty natural, depending on....
Is English your first language, Iz?

[Cabd]

vote bob

I would also vote AcBd if he is a wagon.

No reasoning provided on your initial vote, and yet you provided reasoning for an alternate vote that seems sheepy/scummy? tsk tsk

oh sorry for not giving random reasoning for my vote; I know that's a towntell

Thanks for the passive-aggressiveness. I just don't understand why you would vote Bob without listing a reason, yet list a reason you would vote for someone else and not follow through. That means it was a deliberate choice to vote Bob over Cabd... hardly random.

Okay yeah this thing is town. Screams town who is excited as fuck to play (hence why his first post was a masterpiece of lolz) and is coming out early game swinging hard.

[Cabd]

Counterpoint: One and Done (Micro 293)

[Cabd]

Why the fuck are you trying to go back to RVS, bob?

[Cabd]

Hi

Iz is town

Welcome to several hours ago.

[Cabd]

It's hunter1 for future reference.

[Cabd]

^Toomai, convince me this is not opportunistic and that you actually thought reinoe was scummy.

It was opportunistic. I needed a reason to vote someone for the purposes of trying to steer the game towards serious mode.

Do you think the game is currently not in serious mode? If it is, what post do you think kicked off serious mode?

[Cabd]

There is in fact something I am trying to get here, please do not walk into my lines of questioning.

[Cabd]

, Aegor are you cheeky scum this game? I'm really starting to worry about that. I don't recall you being so cheeky ever before.

I am not scum! This game needs a serious kick in the pants. Maybe a lurker flashwagon. May I suggest Kid A?

For what it's worth, AP is simply going to call everything I do scummy - if you want to listen to him, great, but I'm not going to respond to his twisting. Anyone else is okay.

Any reason you chose to pick a name not in this game?

[Cabd]

For what it's worth, AP is simply going to call everything I do scummy - if you want to listen to him, great, but I'm not going to respond to his twisting. Anyone else is okay.

"twisting" implies you think he's scum. Do you?

[Cabd]

I genuinely think reinoe is either ballsy enough or stupid enough to play "too stupid to be scum" as scum.

I have ~reasons~ to think reinoe slot is town.

Actually let's just talk about this openly:

Jimmy_Raynor's scum game in the newbie game I modded was pretty much him winning by his prior slot owner replacing out in a townish manner and people giving him towncred. While this replace out was more neutral, natural, and something not aimed at sinking any town cred. Thoguhts? The game was newbie 1513: Lingo Linguistics.

I'll have to get replaced, I don't have neither the patience nor the skill to analyze 16 pages, Here are my reads, For the little it matters:

BBMolla:Scum - Lurking and not very helpfull posts
Thor:Null-Scum - Look BBMolla
Mollie:Town - Discussions at everything to view reactions
Anenien:Null-Town
Drew-Sta:Null-Scum
Vettrock:Null-Town
Stabs:Town
Rob:Null

^This was the slot's prior owner's last post that got towncred.

[Cabd]

Actually.

VOTE: depraved justice

[Cabd]

An under-preforming and absent nero is a scum nero.

[Cabd]

Also, eat a dick toon~

I know nero cain's gonna do it anyways but can we please not allcaps my name? It's "Cabd"

I know nero cain's gonna do it anyways but can we please not allcaps my name? It's "Cabd"

Vote: cABD

Olé.

Please don't abbreviate me as "toon".

[Cabd]

That's just him being scum, Bob.

@Aeronaught, Aegor, Mirhawk, TheWayItEnds, Toomai, BicephalousBob, Boonskiies, and CABD...

Does this remind you of my scumgame(s) that you've seen before?

This is a stupid question but it's okay I think you're town for other reasons.

[Cabd]

So you bettlejuiced the fuck up when I vote you to shoot my reasoning down, and then... claim to not have read the game?

[Cabd]

No nero, I think you're following along without actually processing any posts, saw your name and jumped in to defend, then realized you'd gotten caught out when AP posted hence this entire sideshow where you still haven't given any reads, when even from your last post before just now alone you indicated you had some.

[Cabd]

Shhh TSO he's trying to justify the vote he has sitting on me.

[Cabd]

Well nero or whoever the other head is, since you're not signing, you're responsible for both heads' posts. If you don't want that to be the case, sign. You should know this better than anyone here, given how you don't give hydrae any slack about it either.

[Cabd]

You haven't read the thread at all, but you somehow saw me vote you and responded to that within the hour and nothing else. So if you haven't read the thread, why would you skip ahead to that post (which was NOT the most recent post) and hit that instantly before jumping back to the other stuff?

[Cabd]

For what it's worth, AP is simply going to call everything I do scummy - if you want to listen to him, great, but I'm not going to respond to his twisting. Anyone else is okay.

"twisting" implies you think he's scum. Do you?

I feel he has a grudge against me, at least. I'm not sold on him being town either - but the twisting itself comes from the grudge.

I genuinely think reinoe is either ballsy enough or stupid enough to play "too stupid to be scum" as scum.

Jimmy_Raynor's scum game in the newbie game I modded was pretty much him winning by his prior slot owner replacing out in a townish manner and people giving him towncred. While this replace out was more neutral, natural, and something not aimed at sinking any town cred. Thoguhts?

I feel I'm missing something very basic here - what you're telling me is that Jimmy won a scum game by coasting off slotcred - therefore, because he replaced out here, he's Town?

I'm pretty sure what you're saying is that you think he, after seeing it work so well as scum, would give reads in his replaceout if he was scum. Thing is, I don't think he even read the game or had reads to give.

Possibly. It's just a likelihood thing. That plus jimmy's super tryhard lengthy as scum from the data points I do have. He felt a lot more relaxed and such here in the few posts he has. I'm not willing to vote reinoe today. Join me on DP-scum?

[Cabd]

balls.

I thought GM was a girl kitty?!?

[Cabd]

TSO's the only vote on Reinoe with any sort of merit, bob's and toon's are shit. Don't all post at once guys yeesh. As it is already there's three slots in this game, one of them a three-or-more-headed-hydra, with less posts than the mod for fuck's sake.

[Cabd]

Holy fuck that's mollie-nero isn't it?!?

[Cabd]

<---

^That's a mollie claim. Also get back in your hydra.

[Cabd]

{AP, Iz, Mirhawk, Aero Reinoe, maaaaaybe aegor but i have niggles}

{everyone else}

{depraved justice, MVP, maybe bob}

This is for myself than it is for everyne else, but if you ask me my read one one of the named players i'm just going to point you here for now.

[Cabd]

If you have a killing role (looking at you, any vigs or serial killers wanting to claim vig or even multiball teams wanting to pull a kagami game) and don't want to be lynched for your claim with literally anyone that understands game theory and is town (hi)? Shoot the fucking lurkmassers. Because your reads are statistically assured to not be perfect (unless your name is empire or regfan, in which case shoot from the hip, gods among men) and I sure as fuck am not letting another game like 175 occur where the fucking vig shoots the same targets as the mafia faction(s). If they flip scum awesome. If they flip town? Mislynch AND honorary scum is dead and town gets to keep their lynch.

[Cabd]

Can we lynch nero yet and put mollie out of her misery? She's probably complaining and freaking out in the scum PT or whatnot about how much she hates being scum an at how it''s driving her crazy. GM's probably tired of reading it too.

[Cabd]

Serect tell. No you can't have any hints, you lost hint privs after the kagami game.

[Cabd]

Not for that. For misreading my slot/ffery's slot.

[Cabd]

K well enjoy misreading probable scum then.

Okay blissy, tell me why I should reconsider.

[Cabd]

Would you stop helping the scum?

Who was this post directed to?

[Cabd]

Nero are you town reading me? If so to what extent?

[Cabd]

Why did you word post 501 in a manner that reads as knowing I'm not scum?

[Cabd]

Which ones are scum, and which are town?

Besides me who is town?

[Cabd]

silly TSO:


(10-15)=-5

1< -5 is an incorrect statement.

[Cabd]

UNVOTE:

[Cabd]

It's notscience. He's probably unable to handle the horrors of having a scum role PM and is sitting in a PT somewhere begging gif and varsoon to come back.

[Cabd]

Ok. Sorry you had to draw scum.

VOTE: MVP

[Cabd]

My current lynchpool is {DJ, Toomai, Ki-Gi}

Opinion on MVP?

[Cabd]

I asked GM but i'm not allowed to have infinity votes. Which means I have to get help to give you and your mates the death they desire.

[Cabd]

No need, you already claimed scum.

If your claim was actually a lie then get off your ass and do something, because old MVP was actually a solid town player. This? This is mere shambles.

[Cabd]

Holy shit it's me from perpetual mylo!

[Cabd]

Man that felt good, high five reinoe and AP. Now I can use "barely left the oven" meta and say ZERO FUCKING WAY is this reinoe's scum game.

[Cabd]

Because. Want me to re-vote you over somebody I think is more scum?

[Cabd]

I pegged you for this exact same bullshit routine in fire emblem notsci. Come get dunked.

[Cabd]

Welcome to cabd. meta is pretty much all I do, man.

Go read under completed large themes "fire emblem awakening" I was good cop bad cop. Notsci was some hydra that was scum and got dunked day one or two.

[Cabd]

Dodging until tomorrow, sorry, LCS and dinner with my father.

[Cabd]

Checking in, see claim, unvoting, more when not on phone.

UNVOTE:

[Cabd]

Back, catching up.

[Cabd]

"Do you think the game is currently not in serious mode?"
I don't see how an answer here would have been alignment-indicative. Toomai's vote came all the way back in post 278, and he made it quite clear in post 323 that his vote was "trying to steer the game towards serious mode." Toomai didn't think it was "serious mode" at the time of the actions that Cabd is calling into question, so the question seems pointless. How would his present stance (at the time of Cabd's question) reveal anything new about Toomai's actions?

It actually slightly colored my read on toomai towards town. Scum appeases and answers questions, town just answers questions. I felt that scum would be more likely to name a specific spot and try to justify it as hard as possible, hence why my followup question existed as well. By essentially "diving" in front of it, you ruined the full effect.

[Cabd]

I like how Iz is pretending we aren't a hydra. but I'll explain everything away here in a min.

Nero be honest. Is your other head a titus fanboy/girl?

[Cabd]

I see none of my partners hasn't made a single post for three days and I see myself on L-1 plus an intent to hammer.
Ah well. I was stuck in this game at the bad time otherwise I should've done this better.

Town even-night gunsmith. I hope you all have a fantastic time sobbing over how notsci-easymeta is taken away from you all.

^So if this is the case, and you're town even night gunsmith...

Also if we get to be alive until D3, we're scanning Cabd N2.

Why the actual fuck would you say this?

[Cabd]

I cannot explain why or I will be force-replaced but I hate this claim.

Try me?

[Cabd]

DJ, your defense to the points I like seems to be more than hydra dis-- it looks to me like "my hydra partner and I have no communication whatsoever to the point where they move my votes without consulting me".

Seeing as the whole point of a hydra is to have someone to bounce scumreads off who you know is town, and having seen my own communication levels in town and scum hydras, I am not a fan. It's worth noting that I didn't even think both of your heads were posting, so obviously, I cannot tell you apart. You could easily be making up a second head entirely to explain away scummy behavior from my perspective (but I doubt this is the case).

Your move back to MVP as though you never rethought it at all doesn't smell right to me.

I agree with every sentence of this post.

Yeah that but I dunno. I wish nero would let us see some transparency with him and his partner.

[Cabd]

Innout it my drug though.

Yes.

[Cabd]

Cabd/whoever supported this claim, please tell me more about how there is no way reinoe is scum

That was partially me. Cabd and I just got out of an open game where we were scum with Reinoe. He is just a bit notably different than he was there. He was all business there and rather pointed all the time. Here he is being more loose, light hearted, and trolly. Doesn't make him town, but I definitely empathize with Cabd's perspective on it, having just experienced a Reinoe that was different and scum. Overall though, I'm not really townreading Reinoe? I guess I have him as VERY null scum; I have reads that I actually feel confident about elsewhere. I'd give lynching Reinoe more priority than normal for the sake of shutting people up/policy though.

As the other scumfuck of that game yeah total night and day so far.

[Cabd]

reinoe is Lord Business?

No, lol, I was just being silly. I think LB was generic.

This is correct.

[Cabd]

But then if he was a mafia doctor with possibly a daytalk (she had that in her last large normal too iirc), he probably would've asked to his scumbuddies.
I think he's more likely to be a serial killer.

GM has ranted to me via skype many a time lately that she is very against my policy of daytalk for ALL THE THINGS!!!!! and wants everything to go back to night only, so i'd bet this game is nights only.

[Cabd]

I still think MVP is scum

If I wave my hands a little bit and tell you that they are probably not the droids we're looking for, would you be willing to give them a pass for a little bit?

You're a pidgeon that goes "whooooo whooo" aren't you?

[Cabd]

yes I didn't aim for one particular answer great catch

it's just a question scum could easily fuck up, that is the town motivation for asking it

what is the scum motivation

I'm going to keep scrolling down and you're going to keep repeating this like it will make the WTFery go away, aren't you?

[Cabd]

but the quality of people voting him, like MVP and Cephrir, who both are in my top 3 scumreads, makes it pretty obvious this wagon is bullshit.

Even though TSO is a leaning scumread of mine, I was starting to go crazy thinking that I was the only person who does wagon analysis on D1.

VOTE: Bicephalous Bob

WHAT IS THE SCUM MOTIVATION

I win a cookie, dammit.

[Cabd]

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. The day will end in 4 days, 5 hours, 17 minutes

If we could lynch someone in the next 48 hours so as not to tempt deadline rushes, that'd be fantastic. Lets start consolidating votes and getting off vanity wagons. *cough cabd cough*

Another ticker for AP town, also agree, see tales of you or really any large game in the past year for examples of why this fucking sucks. That said, uh, i'm not on any vanity wagons, learn2votecountread? I had unvoted MVP who was the main wagon at the time?

[Cabd]

TSO, comment on mvps claim?

Exceptionally easy to fakeclaim, one of the safest things there is to claim, the explanation about their playing matching their claim holds no water with me, and I also have another reason to think it's false which I cannot discuss.

Like on a scale of 1 to 10 how surefire is this, without explaining the details behind it?

[Cabd]

Phone posting from work...

There's something I forgot take into account when I considered my vote on Bob.

VOTE: toomai

Ewwwww. Why must you make shit posts like this when I'm finally convincing myself you're surefire town and i will ignore all the people pushing otherwise?

[Cabd]

Caught up. Also confused as to why AP dropped his aegor push from earlier.

[Cabd]

While that is entirely possible (and i'm amused you "of all people"'d me) I don't think reinoe finds me all that threate.... oh shit, 175, hang on.

[Cabd]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6009771

CABD just showed up and wrecked shit but he was making an easy counterclaim. Zekrom was an idiot who had no reason to claim Vig. It's easy to look good when everyone is playing like shit, but Cabd did nail Malakittens and has a decent understanding of game mechanics. I could go support a Cabd kill.

CABD is increasingly looking dangerous because not only can he potentially get a read on us, but he can also potential be persuasive. That's far more dangerous than farside possibly being onto us now.

So maybe not?

[Cabd]

Caught up. Also confused as to why AP dropped his aegor push from earlier.

I now. Now I feel lonely and disengaged.

Man I for one am soooo glad AP addressed this.

[Cabd]

Can I have a link of what tso is talking about?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=58487

AP and morph both replaced into scum goon slots, reinoe was a godfather.

[Cabd]

you couldnt have waited for pagetop? srs?

idk what you are saying

[Cabd]

What a lovely yet super lazy catmod

[Cabd]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH OH GODS

[Cabd]

I REGRET NOTHING~~~~~~

[Cabd]

She just deleted the older one anyways, for those of you that don't get my joke.

i am a justly devious mod

tricky are my ways

my thread rights come

my will be done

in thread as it is in the private topics and that

this is getting a bit too sacrilegious now

i'd better leave it

[Cabd]

This is gonna be just like 169 isn't it?

[Cabd]

VOTE: bob

Decision made.

[Cabd]

Last visited today.

[Cabd]

I don't like how DJ claimed at...L-5? With two other players also leading the race at L-5? I'm dubious.

It's very confirm-able role wise. It's not something we need worry about for now.

[Cabd]

I suppose mafia vig is possible, but unlikely.

GM is way too oldschool for this to be a possibility. There's three potentials here:

They're town vig.
They're serial killer.
They're liar scum that is gonna claim their kill got blocked or soaked tomorrow.

And in that order of likelihood.

[Cabd]

I suppose mafia vig is possible, but unlikely.

This would never pass any sort of review whatsoever

In a theme yes. In a normal, prob not. In a normal by GM, absolutely not.

[Cabd]

Welcome new person. /catching up after league match

[Cabd]

Don't bother, I'm never getting lynched this game.

Take that as you will.

Can you quote an example of the "weird percentages" thing? I'm not sure what exactly you're asking about.

[Cabd]

claim unlynchable

[Cabd]

Yeah cephrir's known to be lazy with post tags.

But seriously what the actual fuck was your reasoning for asking the first question of post 1506?

[Cabd]

Fair enough. It's not a deflection and that's all I intend to say on the matter.


P-edit: Go read the wiki page for "normal" and tell me what role isn't on that list.

[Cabd]

Seriously? They have the strikeout tag applied for a reason, people.

[Cabd]

You've never done the thing where you repost a readslist from a prior day (or a hydra convo) and just color in/strikeout the dead? because that's really common on this site.

[Cabd]

(Ignoring of course the possibility it's from a scum PT, I had a theory last night for how the even night thingie made them more likely a town claim but I forgot it.)

[Cabd]

I feel very strongly town about TWIE TSO and IZA
I feel strongly scum on MVP, AP, REN, MIRHAWK

Wait woah woah woah. Ceph quoting this made me notice. Why is my name not on the second list now?

[Cabd]

Autopager for firefox will let you view the entire thread on one looooong page.

[Cabd]

The biggest reservation I have about TSO is that throwing a bitchfit is basically the thing I was looking for, because it pretty much happened in

FEA

every TSO game ever regardless of alignment.

FTFY

[Cabd]

Well given site rules says you have to get a different hydra if you change heads (hence serene vs serene two) and varsoon was the head last game... he had better be?

[Cabd]

If it was an obvious slip in the past you'd be claiming it? I could have sworn varsoon was in it during the past GM game.



Also lol at "scum reading cabd for mis-meta-ing" like that's a thing I do as any given alignment over just genuinely forgetting shit

[Cabd]

dpes cabd do stuff as scum?

Is this an actual question you intend to ask me or is this one of those "let's ask a question i already have decided upon the answer to" sort of things? I mean i slipped right by you in the penguin micro so it's not like you haven't seen me play scum?

[Cabd]

That didn't answer my question, though?

What sort of data do you want about my scumgame because even if you won't accept it from me plenty of others can verify that effort and "doing stuff" is a formula of my IRL status and medical status and not my alignment.

[Cabd]

I didn't know you had any medical issues.

I have severe enough gastric reflux

Spoiler:

Basically stomach acid crawls up from my stomach into my throat and makes it impossible to sleep or eat without extreme pain.

to keep me bedridden from time to time.

[Cabd]

I would also probably accept data from you on your scumgame.

Sure, what would you like to know?

[Cabd]

Hey ap you online? i've got talk i wanna do vaguely enough that only we get bit using pokegym refs because technically public data but would take forever to get the refs. It's something p. important.

[Cabd]

I think I know why AP thinks there is a mafia doctor and his premise is flawed for good reason.

[Cabd]

No, more like because I think you're gonna have a posting restriction that you only talk in colors, but i'm telling you that your grey mirror isn't red.

[Cabd]

Hey ap you online? i've got talk i wanna do vaguely enough that only we get bit using pokegym refs because technically public data but would take forever to get the refs. It's something p. important.

Hi my name is Iz and I like forcing cabd to talk about potential setup speculation in such a way that gives scum a roadmap on who knows what.

[Cabd]

I'm thinking we've got closer to Pika brothers scum counts, not pokegym style setup.

[Cabd]

Lol'd. No but really I don't expect anyone else here to get that unless somebody from the old guard like prohawk replaces in.

[Cabd]

Anyways yes, if my theory is right, then there's a different thing out there and even night gunsmith is venomoth even night hider.

[Cabd]

It's all public information. If you actually dredge through pokegym it's all there, but it's basically using memory of a past shared game on another website to convey it. (and keep it from scum knowledge for today)

[Cabd]

Man it's almost like this has come up in site rules before and I know where the lines are drawn. Every single reference i've made is publicly available for you to view. pokegym.net go nuts.

[Cabd]

Besides Cabd, you're being pretty blatantly obvious that you have more information about the set-up speculation than most of us

I am well aware of this fact. I have my reasons.

[Cabd]

p-edit: then why talk like that in first place?

Time is a factor, and it would take a good solid week to read all of the games i just referenced. Which keeps it safe until tomorrow when AP or I reveal everything anyways?

[Cabd]

I am well aware of this fact. I have my reasons.

They're not town-motivated, whatever they are.

Enjoy your tunnel, I'll be over here not revealing what i know until i decide it's actually wise to.

[Cabd]

(FYI iz what you're doing right now is incredibly unwise, make scum do the work themselves before the end of the night plz tia)

[Cabd]

Like your response to "hey guys this thing is done with some allowable level of vagueness is to protect some important aspects of setup spec until i decide what to do" is to start decrypting it? Even if I'm scum (hi, still not) i'm gonna be forced to out it tomorrow at the latest anyways, sooner than that depending on how AP thinks my theory holds up.

[Cabd]

Fine. But when you figure it out and put the dots together, and if you're town, don't fucking blurt it out to the class untill i'm ready.

[Cabd]

Gotcha. Tomorrow it is?

Now that I realized what you were saying back then, do you think hidervp is scum?

[Cabd]

yeah Cabd just if you actually get shit done as scum; that's an incredibly basic question, I guess, but basically do you run the game or somewhat sit back?

I tend to do more "active" work as scum than as town actually. Scumcabd in larges tries to find the most influential town (used to be ffery, usually) and shape their reads from the get go to fit his agenda. A good example of this was new york 165, where I pretty much infiltrated the townblock before it was even fully formed.

[Cabd]

To iz's big question a few pages back, I'm not answering any of that until tomorrow, or if I'm dead AP can answer it.

[Cabd]

To iz's big question a few pages back, I'm not answering any of that until tomorrow, or if I'm dead AP can answer it.

I really hope this is an earth-shattering unveiling after all the hype.

Bring an extra set of underwear.

[Cabd]

AP, unless you've got good reasoning against it, I think i'd rather just lay all the chips on the table given what this flip means for the setup.

[Cabd]

AP that was directed to you.

Plz confirm deny

[Cabd]

Cabd, what do you think of the mvp kill?

It means scum didn't pick up on it exactly. And that scumteam is probably mostly noobs making "safe" plays and killing all claimed PRs?

[Cabd]

Cabd, spit it out.

This game has a 4 man scum team, I'm a PR, and if what i think is right is right, then I have a backup role to me out there.

[Cabd]

Id like to know also why mafia doc is a possibility. Cabd or ap, whomever feels like answering

Its much more than a possibility now that Night 2 happened.

The opposite, actually. Unless you want to tell me that as a setup designer you'd give an even-night only investigative role both a false positive AND a false negative?

[Cabd]

You're designing a large game. For town's investigative power, you place in a even night gunsmith.

You also place in a town vig (town role that shows as having a gun)

Do you then give scum a doctor (scum role that shows as not having a gun?)

[Cabd]

I don't think they have a RB. I think it's goon goon goon Bulletproof or something along those lines.

[Cabd]

Because of perceived town power? Also when in doubt assume more scum.

[Cabd]

but doesnt Goonx3+BP vs Vig+even-gun+you+backup seem townsided?

if we are going to spec about setup i might as well say that i would think they would have something else...

but thats just me it feels like thats too much power for town

pedit: i can answer this one, look at kills. if i was scum i would of already shot AP. they are PR hunting and not player hunting

p-edit2: damn ninja

Look at the reviewers, look at NRG meta, then tell me you expect this to NOT be town sided?

[Cabd]

I dont understand. Why would you say yesterday that you were pretty sure that there was a mafia doc and now say its unlikely?

I very specifically never said this. There is not a mafia doctor in this setup, I am

almost

100% sure.

[Cabd]

Yesterday you were going on about some big thing you were going to test overnight.

What was that about, where did it go?

It happened, and AP's town.

[Cabd]

maf doc can still be a thing tbh

stupid, but stilla thing

I don't think GM's the type to make setups like that.

[Cabd]

Okay TSO, whatcha wanna spec on?

[Cabd]

I try~

[Cabd]

No but seriously, what did you want top spec on, or were you just trying to be antagonistic and got killed by kindness?

[Cabd]

Pretty waffly, which is grade A prime cut of cephrir flank steak?

[Cabd]

Odd, sure. His slot got (mis)lynched for it back during 169 for the same reasons, so it's not per say a scumtell for him. He's not in my top tier town list though, if that's what you're asking?

[Cabd]

I dunno, i'm probably content. It's not like there's not a giant neon sign as it is?

[Cabd]

Well there's what I implied you were claiming earlier to ap.

And then there's what you implied you were claiming.

But I feel like one of those claims requires more divulged night info.

Unless I missed it. Which is possible.

I'm not sure what you think i thought you thought i was claiming *deep breath from tongue twister* but i have nothing else to add at this time.

[Cabd]

Cabd, how much confidence do you have in your ability to read me?

Meh. Not awesome. I know you're in the process of adapting your methods of play to metadodge people like falcon and mastin, and i assume i'm on the list as well, but you're the type that actively adjusts his scum AND townplay to meta-dodge, not just one or the other.

[Cabd]

Did anyone notice whether ika started trolling before or after reinoes flip?

This is a question you could have answered yourself with a click of the ISO button. His very first post in the game was a trollerific massclaim question.

[Cabd]

Oh, no, this is pretty standard ika. Go take a look at the recently finished XMEN mafia in the large theme queue.

[Cabd]

Oh, no, this is pretty standard ika. Go take a look at the recently finished XMEN mafia in the large theme queue.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58466

[Cabd]

That game was my response to the theory of "Ika is trying to parallel reinoe", discount it as you like.

[Cabd]

I'm just waiting for anyone that wanted to do stuff to do stuff before i just vote with my doublevote, I guess.

[Cabd]

Ika. You missed ika.

[Cabd]

Ika. You missed ika.

i reserve the right to self hammer then

No fool, in that you're a claimed "auto sheep cabd and AP" role now.

[Cabd]

VOTE: Toomai I guess. Ika can hammer or whatever?

Apathy's starting to get me, bleh.

[Cabd]

That was obviously facetious.

[Cabd]

Holy shit people, people suck at reading between lines.

[Cabd]

Aaaaaand suspicions confirmed that we're at either 3(1)-X or 4-X

[Cabd]

The (1) meaning potential traitor in play here.

[Cabd]

Also this means game is pretty much solved imo.

Toomai - being lynched today.

ika
Cephrir
Izariael
Aegor
T S O
The Way It Ends


So with 3-4 scum in six names (depending on what exactly toomai flips ought to be telling) this shouldn't be too hard. If there's additional clears it SHOULD be an autowin.

Mirhawk- Claimed PR clear
AngryPidgeon - Off the table for ~reasons~
Scrambles - PR
Cabd - PR

[Cabd]

Am I missing anything?

[Cabd]

Okay then we're using my list. Lynch toomai, scrambles picks one of the 6 from that list to scan, ~things~ protect scrambles, and we go into tomorrow with a near autowin scenario, i think.

[Cabd]

FWIW i think as far as that list goes, aegor is the most dangerous name if scum and the best asset to town if town, as far as having a clear goes.

[Cabd]

UNVOTE:

I thought scanning was a weird term for a townread. Whoops.

Is there any particular reason for scrambles to not just full claim here?

He did, RTFT. Or just vote toomai and squirrelgirl back to whence you came.

[Cabd]

aronaut would be a good check coice b/c hes kept null most

Aero ~IS~ scrambles, he's not gonna self-target.

[Cabd]

hence why there's 4 scum, Mirhawk.

Traditionally it's 10-3 so for a 15p, you either have a weak town and make it 12-3 or a strong town and make it 11-4. We have the later.

[Cabd]

My guess is godfather, bulletproof, goon, {goon or traitor}

[Cabd]

I feel like toomai is still the best choice because it's likely scum given it's a counterwagon to what we now know as town. Look at toomai wagon gaining steam then BAM! mirhawk wagon rises.

[Cabd]

If the kill was stopped by town power then titus-nero is literally the worst vig ever and ought to be PL'd next time they claim vig because holy shit bad shot.

[Cabd]

The worst part is i can absolutely see that happening.

[Cabd]

Woah. holy shit. Full cop? If there is a full cop claim in the game then I am lynching either that or Cabd with haste.

Stop being an idiot, read my recent psots, and add in the power role i had when i fakeclaimed hider that one time, and think about it.

[Cabd]

softing an investigative

Say what the what now?

I absolutely am not softing that.


Also fuck you, i'm not claiming today with the cop claim on the board.

[Cabd]

Fuck you guys yes I'm limited in a way yes I'm active tonight.

[Cabd]

What the actual fuck. More when not at work.

[Cabd]

Odd night bodyguard here so i was either blocked or redirected. I was expecting to die and not have to worry about ever being lynched ever hence me literally saying I didn't expect to ever get lynched.

[Cabd]

Don't bother, I'm never getting lynched this game.

Take that as you will.

Can you quote an example of the "weird percentages" thing? I'm not sure what exactly you're asking about.

^Classic "cabd is a PR' statement that applies even moreso here than usual.

[Cabd]

Why the fuck didn't you protect the claimed cop?

here so i was either blocked or redirected

[Cabd]

Good morning. Catching up.

[Cabd]

So I was thinking AP was a general backup, not a nurse. That totally shifts things around.


Possibilities I see here:

Setup A (AP is actually scum doc):

Spoiler:

Town Vig
Town Gunsmith
Town Even-Night Gunsmith
Town Odd-Night Bodyguard
Vanillas

Mafia Doctor
Mafia RB OR Mafia Redirector
Goon
Goon

Setup B (AP is a nurse, there's a scum doc):

Spoiler:

Town Vig
Town Gunsmith
Town Even-Night Gunsmith
Town Odd-Night Bodyguard
Town Nurse
Vanillas

Mafia Doctor
Mafia RB/Redirector
Mafia encryptor maybe?
Goon

Setup C (AP is a nurse red herring, there is no scum doc):

Spoiler:

Town Vig
Town Gunsmith
Town Even-Night Gunsmith
Town Odd-Night Bodyguard
Town Nurse (effectively a named townie)
Vanillas

Mafia Jailkeeper
Mafia... BP?
Some other PR... redirector or encryptor
Goon

Pretty sure it's A or B. B makes sense ish given the "scum power" getting a boost from gunsmith CCs. I basically expect this setup to be super high town power because of this:

(Reviewers: N, Cogito Ergo Sum,

Empking

)

And the normal group's bast statement of what they consider "fair"

[Cabd]

Did you protect N1?

Cabd, spit it out.

This game has a 4 man scum team, I'm a PR, and if what i think is right is right, then I have a backup role to me out there.

This doesnt look like general backup to me.

Yes. AP.

And "general backup" was the wrong term given that there's an actual role out there by that name. I thought he was some sort of secondary protective role, and I setup spec'd that he was only going to start working after my death. GM is fond of backup roles of various sorts (skypechat meta)

[Cabd]

ATT is getting slammed by a DDOS here and i have no home internet and such, V/LA at least until saturday so i have enough time to make their support line cry

[Cabd]

Internet fixed. Making the rounds. If somebody wants to be cool and gather up what i am sure is the metric fuckton of questions aimed at me, I'll knock them out in one fell swoop once I finish my moderator duties and such.

[Cabd]

TSO gets an antilazy point.

[Cabd]

I genuinely think reinoe is either ballsy enough or stupid enough to play "too stupid to be scum" as scum.

I have ~reasons~ to think reinoe slot is town.

i ran an iso but this is odd....

im gonna take a sleep off and then prob place my vote cus i rather not see any bltzing

I directly followed this up with the whole replace out and comparison to the prior open game I was scum with him on?

Who would think up a scheme like that I wonder? If you guessed Cabd, you are correct.

I mean yeah this is something i'd do but notthistime.jpg? It's also something somebody even remotely aweare of my wiki page or familiar with my play because of being scum with me before would do. Especially given "oh this very improbable theory i am positing is totally true because cabd"

@Cabd
Why did you think AP was a backup in the first place.

What was the "deal" with your code-talk with AP? How did it make you think you would be able to tell if MVP was scum the next day?

I saw AP crumbing some sort of backup there and I really didn't connect on the whole nurse thing. The code talk was me telling him that I thought he was a role that would get mroe powerful when i died, and he sort of answered back that yes, yes he did. In the game we refrenced there was a role that got powered up when its counterpart died. At the time I was thinking that gunsmith with the stated restrictions sounded unlikely if I had a backup role out there to me. Had I realized he was actually claiming nurse to me, that would have flipped shit on its end. That of course is not what we ended up with.

do you think Cephrir's scum?

Probably? I'll post a reads list in a tad, once I'm done catching up other than answering these questions.

Like you voted AP earlier.

And AP is like... pretty town I think?

He shows up in very few of my paranoia teams even.

And crumbing nurse in a game that almost HAS to have a mafia doc in his first post seems pretty good.

Like, is it possible that AP looks at his scum team and sees maf doc and crumbs nurse? Yeah.

But without knowing what town power looks like that seems like a risky thing to do.

So why, if AP is town, would he not have been quickhammered with your vote left on him?

I don't think this one is pointed at me unless I'm missing some context?

[Cabd]

Also, who did you protect?

AP N1
Scrambles N3.


I thought I'd already said this?

[Cabd]

Why did you need a night to tell if MVP was going to be scum?

It was more that I didn't want to act on it yet, just in case i was wrong.

[Cabd]

You're odd night? I didn't realize that.

What made you think AP was crumbing backup? The only early game thing I know of is the Doctor who reference, and that's pretty clearly in relation to looking for a doctor.

I said odd night in my initial claim post, so yes?

Let me go back and find whereabouts I realized it, but without giving away the constant arms race that AP and I are in regarding each other, there were several behavioral tells. And then when I sortaish asked him and he sortish nodded, that was that.

[Cabd]

This game is relatively small for a large, so its more likely. Do you have a particular reason for finding it suspect?

Actually on the topic of this setup, Im a little intrigued by there being 15 slots since 13/17 are more common. Curious what people think about that.

Why the fuck are you trying to go back to RVS, bob?

When you figure it out, feel free to fix your unvote.

I'm curious too, why Aegor is pushing for a mislynch.

How do you know toomai is a mislynch?, >.>

Because, unlike you, I feel there is barely anything I could give a scumread - a real scumread, not a 49-51 read - to. I have townreads, of course. I'm townreading TWIE, for example.

Who are your scumreads? Why?

My face after reading this post


263 reads awfully forced and I don't like it.
Especially coupled with the immediate scumreading of reinoe (a lurker slot) after being called out on not having any scumreads. Reinoe didn't really do anything alignment indicative IMO and TSO's sudden read there sucks.

Huh, well I was going to say I think Toomai/TSO are decent candidates for scum, but Toomai hoping on Reinoe in the same way TSO did immediately after makes me think they arent scum together. Probably one of them is.

Also what are your thoughts on TSO trying to push through a lynch on a soft-claimed cop? Do you think that's scummy or townie?

your predecessor already claimed doc

This is a really poor attempt at scumhunting and if you are town you should feel ashamed.

K well enjoy misreading probable scum then.

Okay blissy, tell me why I should reconsider.

He called KiGi scum for pushing an easy target. An easy target that he also happens to think is scummy and would wagon. When called out on this he speculates about Multiball and then immediately backpedals into "Well actually Id just lynch them both anyways".

Hes scum, bro.

Mostly the last line of the second to last post. Also I call him "blissy" (Blissy being the pokemon that backs up for others in TCG) hinting that I think he's my backup and he doesn't go out of his way to point that out or call attention to it, making me pretty sure, so then the codegate thing a bit after. In hindsight I bet he thought I was calling him a nurse in that post (because blissy in the anime is nurse joy's pokemon family of choice)

[Cabd]

Not hammering. (Also not scum but that's neither here nor there)

[Cabd]

And by "hammering" i mean voting because ikas the type to self hammer regardless of alignment.

[Cabd]

I guess I won't let him self vote?

VOTE: ika

Now to bug GM and hope we're right here.

[Cabd]

It's okay, town outplayed itself.


That felt good.

[Cabd]

I need at least three more pages to let GM beat toomai's game, at least. Who wants to shoot the breeze with me?

I'll even answer questions honestly to the best of my ability, pinky swear.

[Cabd]

I mean if not I can just fill the next few pages with walls and walls of me ranting about how much fucking hype I am to get to move to chicago. But do you REALLY all want that?

[Cabd]

I mean, I guess I shouldn't presume. Oh also in case anyone in the dead thread is reading this, please troll nero cain TIA.

[Cabd]

Oh hey pagetop, suck it ika, you're fucking dead and can't have it

[Cabd]

you know why? because I murdered you. Turnabout is fair play, sir.

[Cabd]

GM's probably gonna log on and get really uber pissed at me for making walls.

[Cabd]

Btw lied about my role, actually backup-backup gunsmith, I have a guilty on uh....


1 Cephrir
2 Izariael
3 Aegor
4 T S O
5 TheWayItEnds
6 AngryPidgeon

Original Roll String: 1d6

1 6-Sided Dice: (6) = 6

[Cabd]

Okay so angry pidgeon is assuredly scum, got a guilty, please quicklynch TIA

[Cabd]

AP who are your partners? Please tell.

[Cabd]

I will provide free bird food.

[Cabd]

You know, I've got my route planned out to Chicago and everything. It;s gonna be fucking bomb because I'm moving in with Penguin Alien, and Nachomamma and Sleepy Krew and Tammy and such will be there. And TSQ and llamarable get a shoutout too.


GM YOU'RE NOT COOL ENOUGH BUT SINCE YOU WILL GO TO EXPO WITH ME MAYBE REDEEMED

[Cabd]

Oh also this marks the second game in a row MVP has pegged me, but this one had 100% less shady psuedo-cheating and look, didn't have to scoop.

[Cabd]

Seriously, is nobody gonna break up my posts with some questions?