NY175: Sycamore Scuffle
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Oh, we can start posting right now? I thought we'd have to wait for mod to say "go," but okay, lol. Glad the thread opened right now since I'm about to go out for a couple hours.
VOTE: Soren
Because I knew a Soren once and he was an ass.
@farside22
What's the deal withWake? Is he THAT bad that he needs to be PLed?
Also hello toClusk,Shaddowezandboon!
@mod/toomai
Is it okay if I bold people's names when I mention
them in a post, or does that count as overuse of bold?
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@Shaddowez
I'm getting reverse deja vu! :(-
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Okay, I ended up getting back way earlier than I thought I would, so hi.
Responses to wake88:
No, I'm not an alt. Also, I'd like someone to answer this for me, I really don't understand how asking someone "are you scum," is supposed to get an answer worth anything. I guess, theoretically, someone's choice of words could be different, depending, but you'd have to know that person somewhat well for that to mean anything. I've never understood why people would ask that, so if anyone could explain that to me, please do.
Also, I'm confused why you would admit what you're doing is a reaction test. Shouldn't you, you know, keep testing for a while? Getting scared, fearful for your life maybe, after getting a few votes?
@TheAdrienC
You think starting a bandwagon by page 2 is excessive, but yet you join in on one on page 3. What's the big difference between the two pages that's so important? Also, how are we supposed to "get more info before the hammer," if you're voting him? Shouldn't you want to pressure other people so, oh, I don't know, other people talk and contribute, and potentially scumslip?
Along withfarside22, I agree also felt reinoe's explanation for their vote on wake88's vote was forced, but I believe them for now when they say they just wanted to explain why. I wouldn't want to just vote someone without explaining, either.
@Aegor
Why do you think scum would vote reinoe if they wanted a quicklynch? They don't have a single vote against them, as far as I can tell. I would think scum would moreso want to join in on the wake88 wagon, if he's town.-
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I was just pointing you out because you said you wanted more info before the hammer, but then you proceeded to vote him instead of doing, well...anything else. I can understand your thought process, though, so I don't think as bad of it as I initially did.
I don't necessarily think it was LACKING, just that it was forced. But as I said, I understand why it came across that way, since just tossing a vote with no explanation is kind of lame, and they wanted to avoid that.
The thread has been open for barely any time at all, people will show up eventually. I hope so, anyways.-
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I lurked on the site for a couple months and read some games before actually signing up and playing. And trust me, I'm not that confident, lol. My last game my reads were all over the place. I'm hoping I can fix that this game instead of flip-flopping on people every other post. Also, I want to hear more from boon than just "hmm," and I don't feel like voting Soren anymore so
VOTE: Boonskiies
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@TheAdrienC
He could be scum who asked the question in the hope it would gain him town points. I do think it's kind of interesting he pointed it out himself.
@Salamence
I'm just trying to get him to post. I don't think it should be considered a "counterwagon." When I think wagon, I think multiple votes. I don't think one stray vote.-
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It's actually kind of hard for me to put my suspicion into words, I sat here for like 5 minutes trying to figure out how to phrase it. It just feels kind of off in general. It might be the wording. It feels like he's setting up so that he can say "oops," if wake flips town.I'm a bit paranoid when people follow me.
Can you explain what you don't like about that post?
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OH. I thought you just meant his 128. No, I thought that as well with his post directed at Salamence. "hey salamence was being scummy guys see i called him out darn i wish i had gone with what I was thinking there!!" That's why I asked him that question, I was like uh, what?In post 169, farside22 wrote:
Not really what I was thinking but interesting POV.In post 165, Alina wrote:
It's actually kind of hard for me to put my suspicion into words, I sat here for like 5 minutes trying to figure out how to phrase it. It just feels kind of off in general. It might be the wording. It feels like he's setting up so that he can say "oops," if wake flips town.I'm a bit paranoid when people follow me.
Can you explain what you don't like about that post?
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Sigh that's better maybe a stuff drink too.
I was more looking at his post of suspicion on sal for asking people to vote for wake, but his next line he has wake as a scum read. This is something of a newb scum tell (well maybe to me) you set up someone suspicious for pushing a lynch that you can point to later. The fact that clusk finds wake the scummiest added to my suspicion of his comment.
Short response: pushing a wagon on a player you find scummy shouldn't bother you when you were following that players logic in the first place.-
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As much as I agree the sharp intent-to-hammer-no-matter-what thing is kind of silly, I don't think policy lynches should be done, ever. Unless they're just absolutely completely horrible beyond repair. Sure, it's a large and there's lots of town, but there's also more scum as well, and if we PL someone who's town...yeah, it still sucks. Even with more people.
And Not_Mafia, we can't really do that, since...well...he still has the power to hammer, lol.-
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If I was an alt, I wouldn't have been allowed to play in a newbie game before this. Unless you're suggesting I'm using a proxy or something just for the purpose of seeming unlike an alt, which is kinda ridiculous.In post 234, Wake1 wrote:
Ah. Finally something particularly interesting.In post 88, Alina wrote:Okay, I ended up getting back way earlier than I thought I would, so hi.
Responses to wake88:
No, I'm not an alt. Also, I'd like someone to answer this for me, I really don't understand how asking someone "are you scum," is supposed to get an answer worth anything. I guess, theoretically, someone's choice of words could be different, depending, but you'd have to know that person somewhat well for that to mean anything. I've never understood why people would ask that, so if anyone could explain that to me, please do.
Also, I'm confused why you would admit what you're doing is a reaction test. Shouldn't you, you know, keep testing for a while? Getting scared, fearful for your life maybe, after getting a few votes?
@TheAdrienC
You think starting a bandwagon by page 2 is excessive, but yet you join in on one on page 3. What's the big difference between the two pages that's so important? Also, how are we supposed to "get more info before the hammer," if you're voting him? Shouldn't you want to pressure other people so, oh, I don't know, other people talk and contribute, and potentially scumslip?
Along withfarside22, I agree also felt reinoe's explanation for their vote on wake88's vote was forced, but I believe them for now when they say they just wanted to explain why. I wouldn't want to just vote someone without explaining, either.
@Aegor
Why do you think scum would vote reinoe if they wanted a quicklynch? They don't have a single vote against them, as far as I can tell. I would think scum would moreso want to join in on the wake88 wagon, if he's town.
All alts say they're not alts. Don't sweat it. ;)
Also what does that part have to do with anything? The "are you Scum?" bit. It's a way to directly get a response. Unfortunately Mafias players nowadays are lazy, and don't want to answer most questions. I need a different beam gun for those fuckers. Anyways, I've seen other players in the past ask rhetorical questions like that, so, as with most things, I absorbed that particularly simple game tactic. Sentences 3 and 4 sounded just a wee bit too smooth. HRM...
The thing is, Alina, is that this "test" isn't over. I jolted the game with an incident, and am still gathering valuable responses. Chain reaction, yeah? Technically this test isn't over, and is still going as long as I want it to. Or maybe that's just called playing Mafia. ... Shut up.
I approve your questions directed towards TheAdrienC and Aegor. However I'd like to see you put more mental energy into your questions. Come on now; I know you've got more energy laying around somewhere.
AND... damn it. Too many posts. I'm only up to 88. I've got energy to burn, so please bepatientwith me.
And I was just curious bc I see people ask it all the time like it's supposed to really mean something. I was looking into it far too seriously, I guess.
As to me having mental energy anywhere else, nope, it's in a lost and found bin somewhere. :(
Being one of the only interesting things apparently to you is really nice though, I cried of joy reading that. <3-
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@Wake88(I am really retarded with the quotes bc I can't figure out how to quote smaller sections without completely botching the format and I don't think anyone here really wants me to quote all that, lol)
Shaddowez's RVS comment on me was a joke based on the fact I RVSed him in our last game together.
I was just seeing what you were going to say with my question towards you at 88. My thought process was that scum would probably be more likely to try and back out of a reaction test like that early by saying "lol it's a reaction test chill guys :D" while town would probably be more comfortable and keep it going. I understand your POV a lot better now, though.
Aegor's 100...after looking at what he was responding to I'm a bit confused myself? farside asked about your comments after your first post, but Aegor just said "for obvious reasons," with his vote, so...I don't know with what you said afterwards has to do with anything? I might be missing a post that would make the whole situation make more sense to me but right now I'm kind of just like...wat @ the whole exchange.-
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Looking at the vote count, actually, I was the only vote on Boon. There was Adrien's FoS, but I don't believe there was ever a second vote? I might be blind though.
I share your concerns with Adrien, actually; I think it's worth noting that it seemed like he was trying to buddy up to me after I first questioned him, possibly in an attempt to lower my suspicions of him via the power of friendship or something.
Also, why am I the only person besides the "who's" with a question mark? :(-
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Eh, that's what I felt when I was reading some of your posts. I also feel that in some posts you're trying really, really hard to look town and all exasperated and stuff, particularly your 187. Though that might just be the way you type sometimes, that's how it came across to me.In post 287, TheAdrienC wrote:
I agreed with you on about two of my posts and it was buddying up. I think there was more of an interaction between me and farside than me and you. Do I believe you to be town? A bit more than anyone else. Am I trying to be your friend? Not right now. Friends between anyone here are for after this game is over. I just agreed with you. I've agreed with a few people this game.In post 272, Alina wrote:Looking at the vote count, actually, I was the only vote on Boon. There was Adrien's FoS, but I don't believe there was ever a second vote? I might be blind though.
I share your concerns with Adrien, actually; I think it's worth noting that it seemed like he was trying to buddy up to me after I first questioned him, possibly in an attempt to lower my suspicions of him via the power of friendship or something.-
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oh my god thank you SO MUCH I think I figured out how to do it. Basically just highlight the stuff I want quoted, then click quote, copy-paste it into another tab I'm making a new post with. I felt like a freaking idiot for not being able to figure this outIn post 299, Burning_TowN wrote: If you don't want to hardcore quote messages, when you use someones name, also include a post number via the post tag. Such as:
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"In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5990018#p5990018]post 215[/url], Not_Mafia
This part lets you directly link the post and quote together. It also gives the "In (linked)Post 215, (user) wrote:" that you see on everyone elses quotes.
Be careful when nesting quotes, because sometimes they break. I would also recommend turning off quote-by-selection and multiquotes and doing that part yourself.
Nope, never even heard of it. Sorry! :c
Those two are pretty much the closest things I have to scumreads right now, too. But in my book they're moreso mixed leaning scum. I have like 7 townreads and no technical super scumreads. It sucks :/In post 302, Boonskiies wrote:Alright then, Clusk/Adrien are my scum reads. I don't actually feel that Wake is scum, he just is a scummy guy in general. Don't get all semantic-y on me. Acting scummy and being scum are two entirely different things. Don't be ignorant.
Yeah, clusk basically just repeats everything in question form, states the other person's opinion, or gives an obvious piece of advice. It's his scum style. He's scum.
Adrien is just voting people with weak cases, generally scummy as well, and the vote on me. really? just to scare a person. Wants me to give reads on a thread I obviously haven't kept up on. Please. And the fact, they haven't really engaged with each other at all, besides once when Adrien gave Clusk a tip/answered Clusk's question. And when someone tried getting a case against Clusk to Adrien, he completely shrugged it off as if it were nothing without even humoring the idea.
I'll vote for either.-
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I just looked at the playerlist and I realized I don't know who the hell like six of those people are.
VOTE: Damon_Gant
I remember you posting earlier. Are you there? Who are you? Do you have any scumreads or...anything?
ALSO BP I'M NOT WEIRD STOP HURTING MY FEELINGS GOSH
Pedit: I've also thought Sala was town for a while, so...-
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You still called everyone weird. :P Weird+Town isn't possible then? o.OIn post 426, BP wrote:
I listed you as town, gurl. Sup?In post 417, Alina wrote:I just looked at the playerlist and I realized I don't know who the hell like six of those people are.
VOTE: Damon_Gant
I remember you posting earlier. Are you there? Who are you? Do you have any scumreads or...anything?
ALSO BP I'M NOT WEIRD STOP HURTING MY FEELINGS GOSH
Pedit: I've also thought Sala was town for a while, so...-
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I'll give a pre-reread reads list. I'll update it once I do my reread tonight/tomorrow and give actual reasoning for this.
1. Sharpest-knife-on-tree = Leaning town, but I could see him being scum
2. Salamence20 = Town
3. TheAdrienC = Leaning scum, but I could see him being town
4. reinoe = Null
5. Wake88 = Town
6. Burning_TowN = Leaning Town
7. shaddowez = Leaning Town, need to see a lot more though
8. Damon_Gant = Leaning Town, need to see a lot more as well
9. Mirhawk = Null
10. Not_Mafia = Town
11. Aegor = Leaning Town
12. Scarab = Leaning Scum
13. farside22 = Leaning Town
14. Boonskiies = Null
15. BroodKingEXE = Null
16. Soren = Null
17. Aeronaut = Null
18. HunterSeeker = Null
19. Clusk92 = Leaning Scum
20. BP = Null
Town (leaning) Reads: 9
Scum (leaning) Reads: 3
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To be honest, I kind of just copy-pasted the playerlist from the OP and removed some stuff. xDIn post 514, TheAdrienC wrote:Alina made something simple for me to copy and paste to give my reads so far.
I know right? My last game I had the scumteam as my #1 and #3 most town people on day 1. ._.In post 514, TheAdrienC wrote:Granted, these are Day 1 reads. Day 1 reads are usually going to be scratched out and replaced with newer reads.-
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What the fuck just happened? Adrien, I really don't think claiming just because Salamence was yelling at you was a good idea, lol. Also WTF @ Sal replacing? :/ At least we'll have less people trying to strangle each other, I guess.
@Aegor I feel/felt the same way towards Adrien, like I said, his posts come across really forced and manufactured. Though now that he's claimed I suppose suspecting him ATM is pointless.
Anyways I'm about to actually start rereading, so here goes~-
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? I'm confused. What does this have to do with anything?In post 678, BP wrote:
Did everyone else also forget SKOTs claim?In post 669, TheAdrienC wrote:You want a claim. Town aligned Commuter.-
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I haven't gotten to Clusk yet(But I can't wait to, because he's a high scumread at this point) But your case on him is good and I agree with it. He feels a lot like he did last game to me, and he seems like he's kind of disappeared since he got some pressure put on in the beginning but I recall him being fairly active those first few pages...then he gets pressured and decides to active stealth mode. Of course I haven't actually gotten to him yet so my memory here could be totally screwed up >_>-
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Adrien, I love you. That is so much more detailed and amazing than what I'm working on right now(I got hungry halfway through and just came back >_>) Honestly, Boon is fairly null to me. I think he's smarter than he acts and he keeps loading his posts with piles and piles of sarcasm that just makes it much harder for me to read him.
@BoonSpeaking of that, can you stop doing that and like...just be srsmode? I have faith in you, you can do it.-
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@BroodKingCan you give some detailed reads when you're done? Because right now I have you down as this:
BroodKingEXE: Who the hell is this guy? Scum trying to lurk? That's what it seems like. He's clearly read the game, but he hasn't BOTHERED DOING ANYTHING. ._.
Also, omg <3 at Boon being serious. I got townish vibes now.-
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Ever ISO someone, then ISO someone else and then your read on both people completely flip back and forth over and over so much you want to flip a table? That's what I feel like right now. It's not fun. I've been sitting here for 20 minutes trying to figure out how I feel about Mirhawk/Scarab and at this point I'm thinking they're both town. I don't know. I'm probably going to end up reading their posts 50 more times before I decide. ._.-
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OKAY so here is my new reads list. My computer decided to freeze up towards the end and I lost some decent writeups on people but I am way too lazy to actually make them redeemed to their former selves. I pretty much think I say everything that needs to be said -- if there any questions or anything that seems vague, just ask.
Aegor: Fairly town, there are a few things(mainly to do with his wanting to Policy Lynch SKOT that I don't particularly care for, but I get why he wanted to do that, it's just something I don't agree with. Ultimately he feels pretty town.)
Aeronaut: Eh...that's pretty much all I have to say. Something feels kind of off, but I can't quite say what it is.
Boon: Null, leaning town. I liked him for his case on Clusk, and the constant sarcasm kinda put me off, making it I guess a mixed, but a couple of his last posts have given me a bit of a town vibe, but it's still weak. I hope he can be a super contributing god soon though.
BP: Clusterf$@!. Sometimes I feel he's town, other times I feel he's scum, it's just really confusing and annoying. I'm not even going to try reading him at this point.
BroodKingEXE: Who the hell is this guy? Scum trying to lurk? That's what it seems like. He's clearly read the game, but he hasn't BOTHERED DOING ANYTHING. ._.
Burning_TowN: Eh...nullish, leaning town? B_E is invisible, but I like most of TN's posting.
Clusk92: In the manipulation argument clusterfuck, I'm personally on his side with that that it is pretty much manipulation(I don't want to get into an argument over this though so yeah...) but, pretty much everything else feels like scum to me. I mentioned my thoughts on this earlier that it seems like
he was relatively active early on, but then once people started suspecting him and pressuring him he decided to try to go UTR. Also he seems to be
avoiding the thread(I don't really blame him, since this game is making me think I signed up for a game of Mental Hospital/Anger Management Mafia, but
still.) so yeah. The fact that SO MANY PEOPLE seem to suspect him gives me a bit of doubt as to whether or not he's scum, but going based on my feelings and taking other people's suspicions and the like out of the equation, he's my top scumread.
Damon_Gant: Eh...nullish. I need moar from him.
Farside22: lost this when my computer froze so the writeup is lame, dwi. I think they're town; I agree with a lot of stuff they've said but the whole BP VS them fight confuses me and I really don't comprehend how it even came to be, tbh.
HunterSeeker: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? Iso him. All of you. Read his posts. Stare at them in confused wonder. It's like some sort of alien species I've never seen before. It's beautiful, scary, and confusing all at the same time. Is he trying to be "so scummy he can't possibly be scum," or something??? Holy god. And I'm not even religious. That's how weird his ISO is.
Mirhawk: Leaning town. but I'm not putting him super solid because of his lack of visibility. Time should cement this or...uncement...it... I don't know. See Scarab's writeup for extra thoughts because I lost this writeup too and I'm way too freaking lazy to write it up back the way it was.
Not_Mafia: Lost this when my computer restarted so the writeup is rushed bc I'm pissed. I feel he's town, he seems to be genuinely scumhunting, etc.
reinoe: They're posting from their phone. That's pretty much all I got.
Salamence20/cabd: Lost this writeup in the freeze so it's lazy halfassed. Probably town. But the amount of hatred seeping through 99% of Sal's posts scar(r)ed me from what's probably thousands of miles away.
Scarab: I LOST MY INITIAL WRITEUP BECAUSE MY COMPUTER FREAKING FROZE AND I DIDN'T SAVE SO THIS IS LESS DETAILED THAN IT INTIALLY WAS DWI. I honestly think that he's town, sarcastic angry town, but town nonetheless, I can understand both he and Mirhawk's POVs in their fight to the death, and his supposed trapping questions honestly feel sensical for him to ask and I understand why he asked them. I also understand why Mirhawk was suspicious of them. In short I feel they're both town atm.
Shaddowez: Townnnnnnnnnnnnn. He radiates it to me. Then again once someone was radiating scum to me and I was wrong, but...I'm going to pretend
that never happened.
SKOT: Eh...sightly leaning town. I can see scum motivation for his claim thing, but I think it's possible he was just angry as fuck. He's gone pretty UTR since his claim, though, maybe because he doesn't feel as pressured to try to look town anymore by contributing, if he's scum? Keeping an eye on him.
Soren/Juls: Need to hear more from them. Null ATM.
TheAdrienC: I feel the same way as I did before tbh. He, generally, feels town, but some of his posting feels, I dunno, like he's a robot sent to infiltrate
the town or something. That's pretty much the main basis I had for suspecting him, but there isn't much else that screams out to me "HEY LOOK HE'S SCUM!" That + his roleclaim which I don't feel like challenging on day ONE, I'll put him on the fairly town list for now.
Wake88: I had somewhat of a writeup but I lost it in the freeze and I'm just way too lazy to bother with it again. I wouldn't really be saying anything I hadn't said before, so it's w/e anyways I guess. Fairly town, he's just kind of...I don't know how to explain it tbh.
In short, Clusk is my top scumread at this point because everyone else I thought was scummyish wormed their way off the list. Except Hunter. But he's Hunter. Clusk actually has content that makes me suspect him. Hunter is just...an invading alien or something, I don't know.
VOTE: Clusk92
I'm cool with this for now. I had something else I wanted to post down here but I can't even remember what it was now. Annoying, but w/e.-
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