NY175: Sycamore Scuffle

Clusk92 · Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:22 pm

/confirm

Clusk92 · Post Post #59 (isolation #1) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:18 am

VOTE: Wake88

For voting for Not_Mafia then FoSing someone for voting for Not_Mafia for the same reasons he did.

Clusk92 · Post Post #74 (isolation #2) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:58 am

In post 60, Scarab wrote:
Unvote: Not_Mafia

Vote: Wake88

What the fuck...?

Missed this post, why did you change vote, was it because he FoSed you?

Clusk92 · Post Post #75 (isolation #3) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:01 am

In post 73, Wake1 wrote:Well, yeah, I'm still reaction testing.

I'm gonna milk this cow for all it's worth.

Reaction testing sort of loses its effect when you tell people what you're doing.

Clusk92 · Post Post #82 (isolation #4) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:53 am

In post 78, Wake1 wrote:
In post 75, Clusk92 wrote: Reaction testing sort of loses its effect when you tell people what you're doing.
Not when you keep drawing out waves of subsequent reactions.

Apart from the fact that scum know what you're doing so can adjust their reactions appropriately to look like town.

Clusk92 · Post Post #97 (isolation #5) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:51 am

In post 89, Scarab wrote:
In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5987837#p5987837]post 74[/url], Clusk92 wrote:
In post 60, Scarab wrote:
Unvote: Not_Mafia

Vote: Wake88

What the fuck...?
Missed this post, why did you change vote, was it because he FoSed you?
Do you actually think based on his post that this is the most likely reason?

No, I'm just looking for specific clarification on why you voted someone.

Clusk92 · Post Post #121 (isolation #6) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:33 am

Trying to get two different people to vote for Wake doesn't reflect well on you, Salamence.

Clusk92 · Post Post #125 (isolation #7) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:39 am

In post 122, Salamence20 wrote:Whos the other person?

I thought you was talking to Alina but I now see you posted at the same time, so sorry.

But still, manipulating a newbie in to voting for someone is still suspicious.

Clusk92 · Post Post #128 (isolation #8) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:42 am

Bit too early to tell, but the early signs point that way I agree.

Clusk92 · Post Post #132 (isolation #9) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:51 am

In post 129, Alina wrote:@
Clusk92

Why does it not reflect well on Salamence? You're voting wake too, right? I assume he's your top scumread, so shouldn't you be happy people are pushing other people to vote for him?

Regardless of my opinion on Wake, I find trying to force votes on to people without letting them come to their own conclusions first pretty scummy, in my opinion.

Clusk92 · Post Post #216 (isolation #10) » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:21 pm

In post 169, farside22 wrote:
In post 165, Alina wrote:
I'm a bit paranoid when people follow me.
Can you explain what you don't like about that post?

*puts SNOT on ignore*

Sigh that's better maybe a stuff drink too.
It's actually kind of hard for me to put my suspicion into words, I sat here for like 5 minutes trying to figure out how to phrase it. It just feels kind of off in general. It might be the wording. It feels like he's setting up so that he can say "oops," if wake flips town.
Not really what I was thinking but interesting POV.

I was more looking at his post of suspicion on sal for asking people to vote for wake, but his next line he has wake as a scum read. This is something of a newb scum tell (well maybe to me) you set up someone suspicious for pushing a lynch that you can point to later. The fact that clusk finds wake the scummiest added to my suspicion of his comment.
Short response: pushing a wagon on a player you find scummy shouldn't bother you when you were following that players logic in the first place.

So you think people should vote for somebody just because someone told them to without coming to a conclusion themselves and thats ok? Righto. Also my scumreads are totally irrelevant to the point I'm making.

Weirdly enough even though I think SKOT is batshit crazy, he stills comes across as town to me, and I am not a fan of policy lynches, 100% of the time policy lynches are bad.

Clusk92 · Post Post #220 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:41 am

How is a player ordering/pressuring somebody (twice) to vote for someone

not

manipulative?

Clusk92 · Post Post #226 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:18 am

In post 224, farside22 wrote:
In post 220, Clusk92 wrote:How is a player ordering/pressuring somebody (twice) to vote for someone
not
manipulative?
Did he threaten the player? No. He made a statement.
Again people have a brain and can decide to vote or not vote.
Telling a player to vote once or twice is not manipulation. It's a request, so far you haven't explained how it manipulation.

Didn't seem like much of a request to me - more like an order. It's manipulation by definition of the word - stop splitting hairs.

Clusk92 · Post Post #235 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:03 am

In post 233, farside22 wrote:For the sake of argument these are the post clusk is calling manipulating votes.

In post 113, Salamence20 wrote:What are you doing in a big game like this little boy?

But i digress. Vote Wake and you will be on your way

In post 120, Salamence20 wrote:You forgot a wake vote
I don't see a demand. The first read as tongue and cheek and the other was directed to Alina was to me a joke comment.

Well we simply have different interpretations of the posts then, that's it.

In post 229, TheAdrienC wrote:If you truly believe that he is manipulating the town, why aren't you voting for him? Show some backbone. Personally, I believe it was a request than a demand.

Because despite that one post, he's generally seemed like town to me. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Clusk92 · Post Post #239 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:26 am

In post 237, farside22 wrote:Question dodge and lack of explanation from clusk.

Vote stands.

@wake: I'm not indignant in the post you quoted I was bothered by aegor's vote and wanted to see if he could expand his thought more then the wash, rinse, repeat of others.

You mean your manipulation definition one? Silly nitpicking of semantics I'm afraid which didn't warrant/deserve a response.

Clusk92 · Post Post #324 (isolation #15) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:13 am

In post 322, Salamence20 wrote:
In post 319, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:
vote sala...
Fuck it. I havent had any bullshit yet in this game, so now is the time:

Kill: SKOT

When he flips scum aegor is town

Does this end the day?

Clusk92 · Post Post #325 (isolation #16) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:13 am

If it's a legit day kill that is

Clusk92 · Post Post #346 (isolation #17) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:58 am

In post 343, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:
In post 338, Alina wrote:^ That. If you thought it was still possibly a gambit, why claim?
because an exposed role player around here can be a good thing with a doc around since you can repeat protections. I am either dead, in which case you can factor that in for someone who is reactive and needs out of the game. It won't kill the game if I end up NK.

So I want Sala to admit his bullshit. Then I want him run up to a claim.

How do you know there's a doctor?

Clusk92 · Post Post #422 (isolation #18) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:00 am

In post 417, Alina wrote:I just looked at the playerlist and I realized I don't know who the hell like six of those people are.

VOTE: Damon_Gant

I remember you posting earlier. Are you there? Who are you? Do you have any scumreads or...anything?

ALSO BP I'M NOT WEIRD STOP HURTING MY FEELINGS GOSH

Pedit: I've also thought Sala was town for a while, so...

Why single out him for a vote? Aeronaut and BroodKingExe also haven't posted apart from confirming.

Clusk92 · Post Post #524 (isolation #19) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:50 am

Yeah that's basically setting himself up to use that excuse every time he gets called out on acting scummy.

Clusk92 · Post Post #529 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:58 am

Sorry, I don't pick up sarcasm very well online.

Clusk92 · Post Post #549 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:55 am

Top scumreads atm are Boon, Wake and Scarab

Clusk92 · Post Post #559 (isolation #22) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:09 am

In post 555, BP wrote:
In post 549, Clusk92 wrote:Top scumreads atm are Boon, Wake and Scarab

In post 534, TheAdrienC wrote:Scum read count:
Boonskiies: 3 (Aegor, BurningTown, Me)
Scarab: 5 (Not Mafia, BurningTown, Alina, farside, BP)
Me: 2 (Alina, Sal)
Clusk: 2 (Alina, farside, BP)
BP: 1 (farside)
SKOT: 2 (Me, Sal)
Wake: 3 (Me, Sal, BP)
Farside: 1 (BP)

We're not agree much. And most of the people stating Scarab (who has the highest with five) aren't even pushing for him to be the lynch.
Interesting at least.

Wanna say something about this there, Clusk?

It shows that the top 3 total scumreads are also my scumreads. So what?

Clusk92 · Post Post #563 (isolation #23) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:13 am

In post 560, BP wrote:So what you give you explanations for them whatsoever. Saying they scumread without saying why is weird.
That your top scumreads are the group's means setting up to wagon a lynch
.

Explain yourself.

Or it shows that those 3 are the ones that are coming across as most scummy - which they are.

Other people haven't explained their scumreads either so I don't see why its weird.

I'll explain mine later if it makes you happy, can't be bothered atm.