Mafia 58: Ready Salted - Game over!

[scotmany12]

Um, Twito, give more reason to vote for Dragon because you also jumped on the vote for river.

[scotmany12]

I'm not defending him at all, but you are voting for Dragon because he jumped on the vote, and you did the exact same thing.

[scotmany12]

I'm going to bed right now and don't have enough time to go over everything at this point. I will, however, go over everything tommorrow and vote for someone at the point. Until then, goodnight all.

[scotmany12]

Right now, the only vote that I am even considering is the one that my gut is telling me. Even though I know that you will all most likely attack me for this vote simply because I have a gut feeling, I feel it is the right thing to do.

Vote: Twito

I guess I just don't trust you.

However, if more information comes of on livingod being scum, then I am willing to switch.

[scotmany12]

My vote for him has nothing to do with his vote on livingod. If you want any justification for my vote, its that I was suspicous at him ever sinced he made a vote for DoS for bandwagoning, when he did the same thing. Still, I consider it mostly an instinct vote.

[scotmany12]

Can I have the reason for voting for livingod. I want to know why you people think he is scum.

[scotmany12]

If someone provides a well though out, decent reason for why livingod should be lynched, then I am listening.

[scotmany12]

This post from Scot one reason why

Right now, the only vote that I am even considering is the one that my gut is telling me. Even though I know that you will all most likely attack me for this vote simply because I have a gut feeling, I feel it is the right thing to do.

Vote: Twito

I guess I just don't trust you.

However, if more information comes of on livingod being scum, then I am willing to switch.

Just seems like he knows Livingod is scum and votes Twito (due to his gut feeling) but also uses the old willing to switch line if it appears Living appears doomed. As such

Vote Scotmany12

Um, I honestly had no idea whether or not Livingod was scum or not. I would really like to here why you think I knew that livingod was scum.

[scotmany12]

So as i see it theoper. You are voting for me because of my gut instinct on twito. However, you are voting off of a gut instinct too. Hypocritical, are we?

[scotmany12]

Just a gut instinct I guess

, your post reeks of wanting to vote Livingod but not because he's your Godfather.

Yeah, that looks like you are pointing out that you are voting on a gut instinct.

[scotmany12]

I also said I would vote for livingod if more evidence came up, not if he was about to be lynched. He was about to be lynched, and I never changed my vote because I honestly did not see the evidence in voting against him, but I was wrong.

[scotmany12]

COD has looked scummy for me. He really had no evidence against me, and now he is voting for kelly, which appears to be an OMGUS vote. So yeah.

Vote: theopor_COD

[scotmany12]

I know OMGUS is not exactly a scumtell, but I dislike them, and I am just getting the scum feeling for him.

[scotmany12]

Unvote

for now.

Theoper seems to have defended himself, even though he could clearly be lying. Right now, though, I am stumped on who to vote for.

[scotmany12]

Vote: Chibo

Think about it. Why else would you not want to post unless you are scum?

[scotmany12]

Unvote, Vote: amb

I dislike his last post. Seems scummy to me.

[scotmany12]

I do still feel strongly about chibo. The reason I voted for amb is because he is not willing to be the first one to vote for twito. However, if anyone votes for him, then he is willing to jump on as well. That is what I didn't like about his post.

[scotmany12]

1) My problem with scotmany, as mentioned, is the way he subtly tried to sway the D1 wagon away from livingod. In my opinion this could just be sloppy scum play from a newbie.

Ha, you are taking my votes way out of context. I was never trying to sway the vote away from livingod. Its true that I did not vote for him because I did not really see any reason to do so, but not once did I try to convince people to stop voting for livingod. Not once. In fact, I would like you to point out where you think I tried to sway people away from livingod.

[scotmany12]

EBWOP

you are taking my

posts

way out of context...

[scotmany12]

Wow, I missed a lot since I last posted. I have to read what I missed. I'll provide some more tommorrow.

[scotmany12]

Well, I read through everything that I missed. I am set on my vote for amb. I find him to be the scummiest. Nothing will really change my mind, and thus my vote will stay on amb for the rest of the day, unless he claims doc or cop or something. Lowell, eh, might be scum, but amb jumps out more to me.

[scotmany12]

Come on guys amb is the way to go. Heh, whet do I know? I haven't really been following as close as a like, but I also see lowell as scum too. Right now though, I want amb lynched. Mainly simple because of this post from him

If anyone decides a Twito bandwagon is good, bear in my mind my vote will be joining the minute I see it. I am only on my number choice because I have two others with me (or however many it is now)

I don't like it. That last sentence I don't really understand, and it looks like he is saying that he has two others on his side. I'm probably wrong with that though. But if he wanted to vote for twito so much, why wouldn't he just do it? Seems to me he is trying to hide and does not want to bring attention on himself. If anyone thinks that I am wrong, please say so.

[scotmany12]

First off amb, do not tell me what to do. I have the right to think whatever I want to think, and I'm going to think what I want to think, and if it is wrong, then I'm wrong. I said I was wrong, and you are getting over defensive. If you found twito the most scummiest then why did you not vote for him? Oh, thats right, its because you are scum and you don't care who is voted out so you are going to vote with someone who has more votes on them. You were trying to cast suspicion with that post, and instead of voting for twito, you wanted others to do it first.

[scotmany12]

If you dont understand the sentence,

DONT

try to make it look scummy by applying an obviously incorrect statement on it.

That is what you should not do. No one else but you said it was an obviously incorrect statement, and once again, don't tell me what do do.

[scotmany12]

Oh, and I was not twisting words. It is not my fault you didn't make your post clearer.

[scotmany12]

Sure, accuse me of whatever you want, but I was not twisting words. Your post was vague, and anyone else could have interpreted the way that I did.

[scotmany12]

Since you agree panzer, lets just lynch amb already and rid ourself of a scum.

[scotmany12]

Well, alright then. You are titled to your opinion. I am still going to vote for amb, however.

[scotmany12]

My vote will stay on amb. I have already stated that I will not vote for anyone else for the rest of this day. The deadline, however, is approaching, and if you guys resist in lynching amb, i suggest lynching N9V instead of lowell. I think lowell provided some pretty go defense for himself and, imo, N9V has been more scummy than him.

[scotmany12]

If I read that correctly, then you are simply voting for lowell because there are more people on his bandwagon. Please let me know if I am wrong, cause that is extremely scummy for you if it is true.

[scotmany12]

Ok, tell me what your so-called hint is kelly. I don't particularly see it and there is no reason to withhold this kind of information.
Also,

Vote: amb

I might switch my vote to scope, but right now I find amb the most scummiest. I want him out of here.

[scotmany12]

Maybe it was the mafia, and they killed lowell knowing that scope might possibly be the prime suspect. They could be setting him up.

[scotmany12]

Wow, way to fucking quote your role pm, even though it was strictly forbidden.

[scotmany12]

Wow, way to fucking quote your role pm, even though it was strictly forbidden.

Wow way to be an idiot and swear. Have some decency.
He's probably never roleclaimed before.

Ok, so i'm the only one who should be yelled at for swearing. What the hell. I see others throw curse words around like they are nothing and I'm the on who gets yelled for one instance? I was angry, and I swore. There is no problem in that.

[scotmany12]

amb, a no lynch actually helped us out. If anyone was going to be lynched, it was most likely lowell, with a slight chance of it being N9V. He turned out to be a townie. Lowell had 3 more votes on him than N9V. Not enough people were going to switch to N9V to lynch him. If lowell was lynched, then a townie would have been lynched. Later that night, the mafia would have killed another townie, possibly even a doctor or cop. Consider the town lucky that there was a no lynch.

[scotmany12]

Whoever thinks I have a vendetta against amb is wrong. Its very simple, I find him the most scummiest, so I'm going to vote for him. I have nothing personnel against him, except that he is scum and we should vote him out. Also, I don't see anyone of your arguments that were bought up against me as a valid, well though out point.

[scotmany12]

I have to get back at you DoS. I don't have the time right now for a write up, so bare with me for a day or two.

[scotmany12]

Um, I'll have my reasoning for amb sometime tomorrow night. It may possibly come really late. Sorry, I have just not had any time these past few days, with school and such.

[scotmany12]

Ok, here is my reasoning for believing that Amb is scum. To start off, he was on the lowell bandwagon. In my eyes, scum received very little, if any, help from that no lynch. They always want a townie gone. Always. And if they can get a townie lynched, then they can rid the town of two townies in one day and night. I truly believe that all of the scum were voting for lowell. This, however, is not enough to incarcerate amb all by himself. There is more reasoning though, and that is enough.

Lets start with his little quarrel with Twito. First he votes him for swearing. If he was offended by his swearing, then he did not need to vote for him, only confront him about it. Maybe he was looking for a reason to get rid of him.

And then there are these two post by him:

Vote Twito

for swearing. THere is no need to use poor language in this game. Twito is lucky I didn't draw a Vig role.

You however my friend are unlucky that I did and am feeling OMGUSsy.

Umm.... I assume that is a claim in humour.... Because that's a suicidal post either way? If you continue to survive in this game after the doctors are presumed all dead, then we will be forced to presume that you are alive as a scum team member. Because the mafia will need to get rid of night killing roles, they will target you on the chance that you are telling the truth.

Twito: Yes, I thought it was a joke, but I still think its tantamount to suicide. If you are town, the mafia will have to view you as a risk just in case you werent kidding. This is especially true if I end up dead at Night 1 by a mafia that could attempt to frame you.

Of course if you are scum then the argument differs slightly...

[scotmany12]

Crap I didn't finished, accidently clicked submit instead of preview. Finished up right now.

[scotmany12]

Quoting myself so my reasoning is all in one post.

Ok, here is my reasoning for believing that Amb is scum. To start off, he was on the lowell bandwagon. In my eyes, scum received very little, if any, help from that no lynch. They always want a townie gone. Always. And if they can get a townie lynched, then they can rid the town of two townies in one day and night. I truly believe that all of the scum were voting for lowell. This, however, is not enough to incarcerate amb all by himself. There is more reasoning though, and that is enough.

Lets start with his little quarrel with Twito. First he votes him for swearing. If he was offended by his swearing, then he did not need to vote for him, only confront him about it. Maybe he was looking for a reason to get rid of him.

And then there are these two post by him:

Vote Twito

for swearing. THere is no need to use poor language in this game. Twito is lucky I didn't draw a Vig role.

You however my friend are unlucky that I did and am feeling OMGUSsy.

Umm.... I assume that is a claim in humour.... Because that's a suicidal post either way? If you continue to survive in this game after the doctors are presumed all dead, then we will be forced to presume that you are alive as a scum team member. Because the mafia will need to get rid of night killing roles, they will target you on the chance that you are telling the truth.

Twito: Yes, I thought it was a joke, but I still think its tantamount to suicide. If you are town, the mafia will have to view you as a risk just in case you werent kidding. This is especially true if I end up dead at Night 1 by a mafia that could attempt to frame you.

Of course if you are scum then the argument differs slightly...

Well you could not be dead night 1 because you are scum, but moving on. This posts seems to me like amb knows too much. I'm pretty sure anyone knew that twito's post was a joke. Are you just trying to place suspicion on Twito? Or are you scared that he might be telling the truth? I think both are correct. Secondly, why did niether you or twito die on night 1? First off, I don't see how killing you could have framed twito, but the way I see it, there are 2 situations why niether of you are dead.

1. You are scum. You do not want twito to die because you do not want any suspicion to be cast on you. You also cannot kill yourself in order to place suspicion on twito.
2. Twito is scum. He does not want you dead.

I'm going to take situation 1. Also, you just saved yourself from a vig kill if Twito truly was a vig. Twito does not want to bring suspicion to himself. Moving on.

Unvote; Vote Livingod

Yes it's a bandwagon vote. Have fun FOSing me to death for it.

Speaks for itself.

I'm following you because you were the biggest, although I did toy with jumping onto DragonsOfSummer to make him equal you at the time and leave someone else to choose between them. But whichever :-p

Really dislike this post. Just thinking about voting someone just to make it equal is scummy in my mind. And still, the only reason he gives for voting livingod is because he had the biggest bandwagon. He does not give anymore reason for voting for livingod.

It is a tad hard to supply evidence that isnt contrived on day 1. Short of someone jumping up saying "Lynch me, I just realised I'm scum" or a dimwit newbie cop saying "BobGoldfish is scum"* you won't really get anything of any real convincsation** today.

* The logical conclusion would be to lynch BobGoldfish because he would obviously be lying.
** Okay I just randominded that word out of thinnerised air

There has already been plenty of conversation in day 1 prior to this post. Stop trying to secretly protect you godfather by trying to start a new topic of discussion. And onto day 2 we go.

This is the day where my suspicion of amb truly grows.

Vote Twito

for "The wagon on livingod lacking speed just proves that it's on scum."
1. Potentially sounds like inside knowledge
2. He was late on the bandwagon himself. Does his statement apply equally to him?
3. Besideswhich there wasn't evidence of any description. Someone had to be lynched and we got lucky. The lack of speed on any bandwagon can be attributed to 'Town' players who don't honestly know if the target is scum.

Heh, he is truly scared that twito is really the vig. He is bringing up anything that he can against him. Twito gave reasoning for voting for livingod, he didn't just hop onto the bandwagon like you did.

If anyone decides a Twito bandwagon is good, bear in my mind my vote will be joining the minute I see it. I am only on my number choice because I have two others with me (or however many it is now)

I find this his most scummiest post in the whole game to date. STOP FOLLOWING THE CROWD! If you truly find twito to be scummy, which I did not see your case on him, then vote for him. Don't wait for someone else to vote for him so you can join the bandwagon, just like you did with livingod. You are trying to get people to vote for him. You thought that since you were able to avoid suspicion with your vote on your own godfather that you would be able to get away with it with twito as well. But you needed someone else to vote for him, which noone else did.

And Then:

Amb, care to explain why you are voting for Scope? That's your second vote you've did with little to no reasoning it's looking sorta suspicious.

Are you serious? You cant even be bothered looking at the post immediately prior to mine? What possible advantage is there in me paraphrasing or even quoting the post immediately above mine?!?

Bandwagon much? You aren't forming your own opinion you're just following the crowd that's either A. a scum trying to blend in or B. A Vanilla Townie I'm leaning towards A. right now.

Yet another bandwagon vote. Why are you so afraid to share your own opinions? Is it because you did it with twito and that got you no where? That might be it. You are scum.

Lowell is clearly trying to bandwagon though. It's okay as a day one tactic, and sometimes a day two (when there is no info, but clearly at 21+ pages there is info).

FOS Lowell

for Bandwagonning and for giving the appearance of trying to do so under the radar.

You have no right to give out this fos when you have been bandwagoning for practically the the whole game.

I will be away for the next 3 days or so. I am halfway through a post analysis of all players, I will post then.

You never post that analysis. Instead, your next post it this:

Vote Lowell

All you did there was vote for Lowell for the

THIRD

time in the same day. That is basically all for day two. Almost done now. Onto day 3.

kard - you mafia? playing us for fools posting that PM.

KellyChen is right. That renumbers all that ******* work I just did. Reading things by filter can make you miss things at times

In order of votableness:
Theopor_cod is now top of the list for what appears to be a major slip up. So much for the 3½ rating I gave him based on content.

Scotmany12 was going to be my vote for the day. I am now content to wait that one out, Scotmany seems scummy, but Theo way more....

Unvote; Vote Theopor_cod

(If i was already voting)

Yet another instance of you jumping onto a bandwagon. That is about all for day three. I commend you for not voting for scope right away, but it did not rid myself of any suspicion that I have on you.

And that is my reasoning for voting for amb.

[scotmany12]

Guys, I'm begging you, lynch amb. Not only do I believe I bought up a decent argument against him, but honestly, his vote against me is simply a OMGUS vote. Lets lynh him. I guarantee you all that he is scum along with Panzer. Those are the only two I am sure about.

[scotmany12]

I'll post a list like that tomorrow. Oh, and my vote on Amb is not an omgus. It can't be since I voted for him first. I already stated why he is scum, and if you don't see the same thing I see then you are blind.

[scotmany12]

Amb, I honestly had no idea that you said that. After I post a list of my suspicions, I will most likely vote someone else since noone is listening to me.

Also, yeah your e's are showing up as the euros sign.

[scotmany12]

I'll try to get a pbpa of the remaining players in the game and my suspicions of all of them done and posted sometime next week. Hopefully.

[scotmany12]

Hey guys, I am back from my little trip. Sorry that I wasn't able to inform you that I was away, site was down when I left. I'll do a reread soon.

[scotmany12]

Eh, missed quite a lot. I'm not really sure what has happened over the last few pages, which is why I am going to reread tomorrow(sorry, no time today). As of now, I still fine Amb to be the most scummiest. Lest see if that remains after I reread.

[scotmany12]

Re-reading now.

[scotmany12]

Ok, I reread what I missed. However, I was really just skimming so I probably missed some. I have grown suspicious of RA and N9V, but Amb is still the most suspicious in my book. Panzer keeps on getting less and less suspicious with his recent push of Amb.

There is one thing that I would like to point out regarding Amb.

Yes, because the slip is explainable. Remember before the slip I had theopor down the list rather than higher. After the slip I pushed him up - but then the explanation made sense to me. In the end I will continue to push the players I genuinely think are scum, and not the player who may or may not have made a slip. He can be caught later if it was a genuine slip.

My vote will either be 9V who I think I was voting pre-crash anyway, or Scotmany12.

I'm inclined to agree with you, at least for now, re: Theopor.

Now, as to your own voting intentions: you seem convinced Scot is scum. Having done a readthru of you, I've yet to see a convincing case against him, he has no other votes, and the deadline is nearing. If you really want a Scotmany lynch, I suggest you make a detailed case against him

right now

, otherwise the deadline will hit without time for a decent bandwagon to build, and if one does build, he'll have precious little time to defend himself.

My own vote today will not leave N9V except possibly for Scope, but if the next post of yours is anything but a detailed case against Scot or a vote for one of the three current bandwagons, I'll be extremely suspicious.

He clearly asks him to either vote someone on a wagon, or to post why he thinks I am suspicious. This is Amb's first post after this one by The Fonz.

I really don't understand how anyone town can think lynching themselves helps the town. Surely no lynch should always be preferable to lynching someone you know is town?

No because people have been pushing my wagon as they have Scope and N9V, we will learn something from someone being lynched than a no lynch. The only people who benefit from a no lynch are the scum. We've had 49 pages and managed to lynch only one person a Godfather for heavens sake! We have no real voting patterns to look back at.

The difference is - if we lynch a townie, we have deaths at dawn to cope with as well. A no lynch is preferable in that situation, because even the death of a lurker will provide info now.

That said:
1. A pushed self lynch can be a scum gambit
2. A no lynch means no scum dies either
3. Any of the current bandwagons could be scum, thus we need to take the chance.

We have to take the risk and lynch someone rather than no lynch. The worst case scenario will be lynching a cop or a doc.

Now, he does not do one of the 2 things that Fonz asks of him. I understand not switching your vote if you find someone more scummy, but I don't see why he wouldn't post his reasons for finding me suspicious. I honestly don't remember him doing one at all, but he is very convinced that I am scum. Right now, I am just treating his suspicions of me as OMGUS.

One more thing. He says that a no lynch is preferable. However, I remember him being for a lynch on any of the top 3 bandwagons. Quite contradicting.

[scotmany12]

Panzer makes a good point with that post. Everyone on the N9V wagon should be looked at carefully. I, however, am with Panzer on Amb. He has been jumping bandwagons the whole entire game, while not will to start his own bandwagon. I don't find him very helpful to this town. I wish that we can just rid ourselves of him already.

Vote: Amb

once again.

[scotmany12]

Panzer what do you dislike about my jump onto Amb. If you recall, I have been voting for him the past 2 days, and I am sure that he is scum.

[scotmany12]

Amb is going to have to wait. I feel like we have to lynch today, no matter what.

Unvote, Vote: RA

[scotmany12]

You telling people what to do now, theo. Wow, good for you. There isn't much to my RA vote except that he has been scummy, and since no oner here but me and panzer are willing to lynch to true scum of amb, then RA is a fine lynch for today. That is unless you want the day to end in another no lynch.

[scotmany12]

You telling people what to do now, theo. Wow, good for you.

There isn't much to my RA vote except that he has been scummy, and since no oner here but me and panzer are willing to lynch to true scum of amb, then RA is a fine lynch for today. That is unless you want the day to end in another no lynch.

Whats your problem? I asked you why your voting him, christ its page 55 you ought to have a reason! Why shouldn't I pull you up on it? Too many people seem happy to plod along post something and dissapear.

Fact that you have gone on the whole game without giving a shit aside from wanting Amb lynched frankly frustrates the hell out of me.

No you told me to. Let's look back.

IH you really ought to pay more attention.

Scot you going to elaborate on your vote, likewise N9V.

Twito how about anyone else, care to comment? If you laid out a hard case against Scope fair enough but as yet I've not seen one, well worthy of voting him.

Right there, you told me to elaborate on my vote. I'm sure if you really wanted me to, I can go back and look for a reason, but that has changed with RA's recent claim. I'm frustrating you? Thats ridiculous. I am the only one who actually cares about the town and wants to lynch the most obvious scum out there, amb. You are all just blind to see this. I gave a well though out case, not to mention his play styles changed when I started casting suspicion in his way. I am frustrated with the town for not getting rid of him.

Now,

Unvote

So far, RA has been uncountered. I would like him to reveal his last investigation, and his results of all. I'm guessing he got an innocent on his night 3 investigation or else he would of told us, but I'm interested in who he got it on. Yes there are holes in his claim, but the fact remains he is uncountered. Back to square one for me.

Vote: Amb

I might be switching to N9V soon. I'm going to reread tomorrow and see if I can come up with something.

[scotmany12]

Hey, theo mind providing some reasoning? I really dislike it when people vote without give at least a little reason.

Also, I know I haven't really been active that much lately. Apologies. I'll try to get back into this game. Honestly, though, I'm a little fed up that Amb has not bee lynched yet.

[scotmany12]

Well you are wrong. I do not only post when I am pressurized. I'm just fed up with the town right now. I have already said that the reason I did not vote for livingod, was because I did not have a reason to. I was waiting for someone to provide some evidence, but none came.

I gave reason for my vote for Rand. I wanted a lynch because we need a lynch. And Rand has not been helpful, he lurked, and I didn't find him as protown. You voted for me without providing any reasoning.

I'm trying to move on to other players, but I'm going to vote for who I find the most scummiest, and that is Amb, and I don't know how you don't see it. Look at what he has been doing. For starters, throughout most of the first and second day, all he did was vote hop, and mind you he is still doing that. He is playing one of the most opportunistic games of mafia I have ever seen. Not to mention he was not suspicious of me until I brought of a case against him. And yet everyone thinks that I am the one who is OMGUSing him.

There is one more thing, has Amb be defending anyone? If he has, I would like to know. I have been looking through the game and have not really found any, but if he has, I have incriminating evidence against him. Please help me out a little and look to see if he defending anyone.

[scotmany12]

I know when I was mafia in one game, I picked another player to defend

This is what I'm getting at Theo. I don't know if he defended anyone to this type of extent, but if he did, It would just be one more reason that he is scum.

Yeah, there probably was scum on livingod's wagon, and yet there was probably scum off of his wagon. Right now, I'm saying maybe 1 or 2 scum that were voting for him. Slight chance for 3. I'll have to look and see who was on his wagon, besides Amb.

Oh, and Panzer. In no way am I playing the same way that I played in mafia 62. Look through my posts in that game and look through my posts in this game. There may be some resemblance, but not entirely. I went at that game an entirely different way. Don't be mad that no one truly expected me besides TS, who no one believed.

[scotmany12]

I had my reasons for voting for you theo. Those have been forgotten, but I'm sure if you want I can look back and find them. I don't see how you just pick 3 out of the group that was on you. I understand not putting Kelly Chen in the group, but there are 8 other people who jumped on your bandwagon and almost lynched you. I don't think you can narrow it down to three people.

The fact is, though, scum tend to be the less suspicious ones to the town. For example, in mafia 62, I was scum. I was not lynched however. Only one person suspected me, and she ended up being lynched. I survived for a few days after only to be nked. You can't always look at the ones who you find to be the most suspicious, because frankly, they can just be playing very poorly or newbish. The scum is suppose to blend into the town, and that is what Amb has been doing.

[scotmany12]

Also, I already expressed my reasoning for not voting for livingod. What again were you guys voting him for? Because he took a typo out of context. It did not warrant a lynch. You guys simply got lucky.

[scotmany12]

Um, Theo, what wagons did you raise? Once you tell me I'll post my thoughts on them, but right now I'm not sure which ones you are talking about.

[scotmany12]

Ok, theo, I'll look over it very soon. Probably tonight sometime. If not tomorrow. I realized that I have been focusing on amb, clouding my judgment of others. I shall try to change that, but I still think amb is scum.

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Ok, I just looked over the livingod wagon right now. Out of the people on that wagon, the only one I can totally rule out is Kelly Chen. I think she has been pretty pro town the whole game. Obviously, I believe Amb to be the scummiest out of all of them. I don't really see scum hammering so I'm going to clear OTU for now. It is a possibility that he hammered, and the way he did it was not so good, but I don't see scum hammering their godfather this early in the game. Out of the other members on the wagon, I see DoS as the second scummiest. Twito I'm not quite sure on due to his absence, though I still have a few suspicions on him. Gut mostly.

I'm not really quite sure what to think of the others off the wagon. Theo, you said me holding off voting for livingod was scummy, when we have a good 7 other people who did not vote for livingod. I'm going to clear you and RA for now, while phita turned up town. That leaves boulder, BM, and chibo. Chibo wasn't really helping out the town, but I think jayln has been helpful up till now. I'll have to look her over. Haven't really been following boulder that much. That leaves shamrock and BM. Its interesting that BM voted for the same person that livingod voted for, a little bit to think about. And then there is Panzer, who I believed was acting quite scummy throughout the game, but recently my opinion is changing about him.

Overall, I don't see all of the scum on the livingod bandwagon. I personally think it was split. I'm going to assume that there is four scum left for this occasion, so there are 2 off of the bandwagon, and 2 on. I'm going to rule out OTU just cause he hammered, and I don't see scum hammering in this situation.

So out of this(which is all subject to change) the people I see most likely to be scum is Amb and DoS. Those were the ones on the bandwagon. The two off, however, is tricky. Its between Chibo, Panzer, and BM. Right now I'll put BM and Panzer as the other two.

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This was basically all from memory Theo, so I can be completely wrong about jayln. This is basically all from just looking over the livingod wagon. I didn't really look back at the game, I was just working things out in my head. So yeah, from that, Amb, Dos, BM, and Panzer are my scum, with Jayln lurking around the outside.

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Does anyone ever wonder why Amb is suspicious of the two players who probably believe him to be scum the most? Oh, and TCS. I'm interested in your picks for scum. For starters, I believe that Theo has been really pro-town as of late. Twito I don't think you can make a decision on him considering he has been away for a while. I would also be interested if you can come up with a case for me, instead of simply saying my posts reek of scum.

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Amb, I will give you that panzer has been jumping around most with me. Sometimes I'm town, and then sometimes I'm scum. He can't seem to make up my mind. I have already said that I am suspicious of him, and I might end up looking over. Also, I never said Panzer was town. I have said at times that he has become less scummy or such, but I have always had him as one of the most players.

At this point, I would most likely want to lynch Amb, but I would lynch panzer as well, along with DoS.

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I'm not going to vote N9V. I don't think that he is scum. Take that as you will, but I'm not going to vote for someone who I think is protown. I'm willing to vote for three people, Amb, panzer, and DoS. Until one of these wagons grow, I'm going to stick with my vote for Amb.

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Alright Amb, if you truly think I am blatantly scum, then get people to lynch me. Why are you having so much trouble lynching me? Cause maybe everything you are saying is wrong. So if you ever convince people to lynch me, then do it. Lynch the hell out of me. At least the next day the town will get rid of you.

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This is true. I was against both of them. Honestly I am at a lost of words. I don't really think that anything I say right now will save me. Before you lynch me though, I'm going to try and help you guys out the most to see who is scum.

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I'm not really sure what to think of panzer right now. I do find him scummy, but whenever I have played with people who votes for themselves, they usually come up town, so I am hesitant. Also, I remember panzer hammering himself in another game I was in with him, and he was a protown power role.

I still have my suspicions of Amb. Assuming Rand is not naive, then it is a possibility that Amb, theo, and rand are the scum. Rand has not been very helpful, and his two other investigations were of dead townies, so I don't know.

I have to go reread Jayln sometime. If I were to look at yogurt just by what he has done now, I would say he is scum, but thats not the case. I have to look over Jayln, along with mole and chibo, to see what I think of them in a whole.

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Alright theo. I don't have my reasonings yet. I swear I'll give them to you tomorrow. Its just getting late and I don't feel like doing it right now. Here are my top 3 though.

1. Yogurt
2. Panzer
3. This is a tough one. For now its Amb, even though there is an innocent reading on him. The last one might change tomorrow.

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You mixed up DoS and Amb there Rand. I was pushing for an Amb lynch more.

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Ok, I promised reasonings for today so here they are. They aren't much, but they are something.

1. Yogurt- Looking over the list of the people who were in this role, none were really helpful. The first two lurked mostly, and Jayln was one of the worst. She would hop around, providing very little reasoning for her votes as well. Not helpful to the town. And then there is Yogurt. He jumps in and the first thing he does is vote for me, without giving a reasoning at all. Then he promises to get a pbpa done, which he never does. Not helpful, and in turn, I find him scummy.

2. Panzer-Panzer has jumped all over the place. I believe he has gone from wanting to lynch me, to wanting to lynch N9V, to wanting to lynch amb, to wanting to me again, and now he wants to lynch kscope. And now his latest play I can't determine if its truly frustration from a townie, or a scum gambit.

3. Once again, this last one was a tough one for me. Now that I look at it, I have to say its a toss up between Amb and TCS. You all know I have my suspicions of Amb, but since there is an innocent on him, I really don't know what to think of him now. I really can't say I like TCS's play so far in this game. In fact, its frightening me a little. I really don't like TCS's reason for wanting to lynch Panzer either, nor his reason for lynching Twito, (nor his reason for lynching me for the matter). The only reason I think he wants to lynch Twito is for lurking, and I really dislike him for wanting to lynch Panzer just because he always thinks he is scum. I can't really determine which of these two stand out more at the moment, so I'm going to give the third spot to both of them.

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Hes been doing that throughout the whole game yogurt, but apparently no one seems to be bothered by it.

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Panzer is frightening me right now. I'm really not sure if he is a frustrated townie or a mafia trying to pull a gambit.

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I will be leaving tomorrow for vacation. I will be gone until Saturday. The dates are July 2-July 7. I ask not to be replaced, as I will have access. Don't expect a lot from me during this week though.

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Turns out I have to pay for internet access on this cruise. This will be my last post until bext saturday. I ask that i not be replaced though.

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I'm back. I'll reread either tonight or tomorrow. Most likely tomorrow cause I'm exhausted.

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Vaction/Limited Access.

After rereading, Yogurt is the play for the day. He simply sits there and does nothing. That role has had about four players I believe, and none of them really tried to make an effort that much, and I'm just getting that vibe from yogurt, so yeah, he should be the lynch.

Vote: yogurt

I still don't know what to think about panzer. I do not like the way that he is playing, but when a player gives up like the way he does, I usually think of that player as town. Still, it can be a gambit by scum. I'm torn right now.

To end, I have a thought in my head, but I'm going to wait and see what happens during the night until I share it.

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Well I'm back. Now I'm not so sure I want to lynch Yogurt, cause Amb lied right through his teeth. I never sent you a message, and I would not cheat and send it during the day if I did. So yeah, explain why you lied.

Unvote

for now.

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No it is constructive because you are lying. I never sent you a message at all. I want to know why you are trying to make me look like scum.

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Except I never sent you a message, so you could not have pmed a non existent screen shot If you really want to move on with the game then explain why you are lying.

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I guess this can wait till tomorrow Amb.

Unvote, Vote: YB

Hopefully that ends the day.

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Guys, I was away for the past game day. I apologize for that. It is clear to me that right now fonz is the one we should lynch today. I do agree with TCS though that we should discuss a little bit more before we lynch him. Let me reread for now.

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20 players, so I'm guessing 4 scum. Fonz is scum, so that means we would have caught 4 of them. That then leaves 1 of panzer bm, and scope as the remaining scum(assuming that there is four). Seeing how there has only been 1 kill a night, I do not suspect a sk at all.

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That jumped into my mind after i posted that tcs, since there is no sk. I'm going to say that panzer is a scum, simply because I don't see both scope and bm being scum. Scope has been out of bm for as long as i can remember, and I'm pretty sure bm was set at voting out scope for a while. Though I have seen this tactic used before by scum, I don't buy it this time.

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He isn't asking for your reason to vote fonz. We all know that fonz is the lynch for today. Panzer, theo asked you what your thoughts were on the unconfirmed that could possibly be scum.

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Fonz basically admitted that he was scum theo, so yeah, TCS is practically a conformed tracker.

I already stated that I believe panzer to be scum, simply because I do not see both scope and bm to be scum. Out of the latter 2, I am not so sure of who I would rather lynch.

Anyways, are we ready to lynch yet?

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Vote: Panzer

I already stated my reasons for voting panzer. I'm pretty certain that he is scum, with scum being scope or bm. I much rather get rid of panzer at the moment simply because of how confident I am of him being scum.

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Theo, I already posted my reason for panzer to be scum. Its simply process of elimination. Both BM and scope are not going to be scum. They have been at each other forever. Thus, panzer is scum. I don't see what you are not getting at. Either me or panzer is one scum, and the other one is either bm or scope. Seeing as how I know that I am not scum, I truly believe that panzer is scum. It is as simple as that.

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Also, I will be on vatcion from the 4th until the 11th. I will have internet access, but don't expect a post everyday.

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Well if you need more convincing, look at what panzer has done throughout the game to make him look townish. Absolutely nothing. I have not seen on decent case from him. I'm pretty sure his suspicions jumped all over the place. At one point, I remember him suspecting me, then thinking I was town and suspecting amb, then back to suspecting me. Not to mention he practically gave up, which can easily be a scum tactic. I'm sure there is more, but I don't have the time to reread his posts at the moment.

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Also, my post in previous post, not the one i just posted, but the one before that, was in response to you saying that a reason for my vote is necessary when I clearly gave a reason.

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Theo, I believe fonz made suspicions about me, panzer, and bm. So out of the 4 that are possible to be scum, k-scope was the only one who avoided his suspicions. I don't really believe that we can use his attacks on people to help with hunting the remaining scum. There is most likely 2 scum left, so he would of had to place suspicion on at least one of his partners.

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I'm also a little disappointed that me and theo are really the only ones who are posting at this point, especially since we are both going to end up going on vacation eventually.

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In the games that I was in with bm, he seemed to be more aggressive. And in those games, he was town. I'm not really sure what to think of with him being a bit more passive in this game.

Still I haven't really had time to read over anyones posts, and probably won't until I get back form vacation, so this is mostly just form speculation.

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Um, theo, I'm suspicious of both scope and bm, as I am pretty sure one of them is scum. You asked what I felt about bm, so I told you that I believe him to be acting differently than in most of the games that I remember playing with him.

Your analysis, however, of me really lets me know just how scummy I have looked in this game. I know that I would have voted myself if I was anyone else in this game. As far as my defenses go, I can't say I have many. I truly thought amb was scum, and when he came up as doctor, I was perplexed. I was also suprised to see DoS as scum, as someone who I thought was truly scum.

As far as you saying I defended livingod, I clearly was not. I was ready to vote him if I saw a good reason, but in my understanding the whle bandwagon was due to him attacking a typo. I did not see that as a good reason to lynch him, but I didn't tell people to unvote him. I was not defending him, I just didn't see a reason in voting him.

As for that so called pm to amb, amb is full of shit. I understand that this will make me look bad, as why would a doctor lie about someone sending him a message. As far as a lot of us remember, he also was deadset on me being scum, so maybe he was simply trying to get people to vote for me. I can give you people my word that I never sent a pm to amb, and I don't know why amb would low him to a dirty play like that. Maybe he was mistaken, but the fact is, I know that I did not send him a message.

I realize that my play this game has not truly been that well, and once again, there is not much I can say in my defense. I am not ready toi vote either bm or scope, and am convinced that panzer is scum, if by anything, process of elimination. If you decide to lynch me, then so be it, but if its lylo, don't be suprised when you guys lose.

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Hey scope, how bout you give out an analysis so that you might convince us to vote for bm. Honostly, you seem to be doing the same thing I have been doing concerning amb, funny how I am the only one to be blamed for it.

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That confirms nothing of me and bm as scum. Yeah, amb was townie, but when I was voting for him when he was alive, I was receiving votes against me as well. I did not defend bm in my post, I simply asked you for some reasoning. Seriously, start using some logic in your posts and stop thinking that you are this amazing scum player who doesn't have to provide reasoning for anything.

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Gut is not enough this far into the game. At least I put some reasoning into amb, even though he turned up town. Early on in the game, such as on day 1, then following your gut is fine. This late in the game, however, I think you should have at least some reasoning with your vote except for it being your gut.

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Yeah, fonz also attacked bm, panzer, and even me at one time. Not to mention he also attacked you. So are you going to use something fonz did on all 4 as a reason that I am scum?

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Yes kelly, I do. This is a 20 player game. I find it more reasonable for the scum to be 1/4 of the total amount of players rather than 1/5. Especially with the lack of an sk.

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*waits for scope to jump onto my wagon, leaving me at -1*

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Ok then scope, answer this. Do you not find it at the least bit scummy that panzer votes for me without any reason? Do you not find that just a little bit oppurtunistic?

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Thats ridiculous scope. Panzer's first post in a while, and he ignores basically everything and simply votes me, in what simply appears to be omgus. He does not comment on anything that has occured after the last time he has posted. I don't see how you can defend him when he does something like that.

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What the hell are you trying to pull panzer? In my eye, this makes me set on my vote for you because if you were town, I would not see you doing this. You nomination yourself for a lynch in what may be a lylo situation is not a pro town play.

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After looking at werewolves mini, he still did not vote for himself. If he is having personel problems, then he should ask for a replacement. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying that reasoning. He actually claimed in the other game. In this one he simply votes for himself.

Kelly your vote for me is not smart. I'm interested in why most of you find panzer to be more townish over me.

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Alright then. How bout scope and bm vote for me and just end this day. I don't see this day going much longer, and I don't know how to convince people that I am town. Lets just hope there is only one scum left.

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BM, do you have any real proof that we are in lylo? I agree with you that we most likely are, but you sound certain about it. There is still a little bit of doubt in my mind that we are at lylo.

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I'm not keen in getting myself lynched. If I was, I would vote myself. I still think that panzer is scum, and that he should be lynched. I was just saying, if the town wanted to lynch me, then they should get it over with.

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We could just not lynch me and lynch panzer.

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On day 6, panzer simply posts 2 times. His first post is an unexplained vote for TCS, who did claim tracker. His 2nd post is the hammer of IH. He comments on neither vote.

Then during day 7, he once again only posts twice. His first one is a vote for fonz, could be him bussing. Then his 2nd one is him basically claiming townie.

EDIT: He had 3 posts on day 7. His third post was basically just saying that he though me and scope were scum.

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Uh, no I'm not scum. Maybe you can try and explain your actions on day 6 and 7, day 6 mainly.

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You also didn't vote for yourself in werewolves, but decided to vote for yourself in this game, maybe you could explain that as well.

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Better hope that there is one scum left cause if not, you guys screwed up.