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Post #2156 (isolation #200) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:14 pm
Postby Aegor »
In post 2154, Rainbowdash wrote:If you think he is scum that is a spectacular reason to vote him. Thor flipping town would mean you are town, which would probably save a mislynch. Realistically though we shouldn't be lynching for information today, we should be lynching for a scum flip.
And I happen to think that other players (Chevre, kab) are more likely to flip scum than Thor, not to say that he is a townread.
In post 2155, Thesp wrote:This is my favorite post of the last several pages.
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Post #2161 (isolation #201) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:15 am
Postby Aegor »
In post 2157, Bulbazak wrote:You do know that associative tells are more than just who a person voted for? It's also how that person interacted with others, and how others interacted with them.
Yes.
So you want to lynch Chevre just to keep Emo from tunneling, even though she will likely tunnel on someone else?
No, as I said.
You seem to purposely avoid giving a read of Chevre here.
No, as I said several times. Feel free to read my ISO.
Why? If she's a townread to you, or even null, why sacrifice her just to keep Emo happy?
I have stated multiple times I think Chevre is scum.
Why is that a good trade off when it's not for the purpose of finding scum?
It is for the purpose of finding scum, as I have stated more than once.
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Post #2187 (isolation #207) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:16 pm
Postby Aegor »
@Bulba: My ISO will reveal a consistent position that Chevre is scum once emogirl posted her case. Add to that the fact that many other players are scumreading her, and you have a good basis for a lynch. The emogirl placation is simply the cherry on the sundae.
And I never once mentioned a compromise lynch. And you are either the suckiest town in the game or really bad scum. Maybe I will just NK you tonight.
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Post #2190 (isolation #208) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:50 pm
Postby Aegor »
In post 2188, Bulbazak wrote:So you've gone from "I'm not placating Emo." to "That would be placating if I said that." finally to "Yes, I'm placating Emo, but that's not my main reasons for the lynch."?
Die in a fire, Bulbazak. At no point did I state that I wanted to lynch Chevre simply because it would placate emo. At no point did I state that placating emo was a necessary condition for my vote. At no point did I state that placating emo was a sufficient condition for my vote. At no point did I deny that a Chevre lynch would placate Emo.
You seem incapable of actually reading my posts. "Let me reject your reality and substitute my own!"
In post 2182, Aegor wrote:Well, we have four days. So we should decide on a lynch soon.
You have yet to point out where I am calling for a compromise lynch. Or are all lynches compromise lynches to you? If not, how can you claim that a desire to avoid a deadline speechwagon is the same as calling for a compromise lynch?
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Post #2198 (isolation #209) » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:49 am
Postby Aegor »
In post 2193, Bulbazak wrote:
Oh, you want to get into a semantics argument? Sure, you didn't
technically
say compromise lynch, but when you point out that deadline is coming up and that we need to lynch somebody, you're essentially saying "We need to compromise on a lynch guys!".
I am saying that we should agree on a lynch. You have yet to point out where I am calling for a compromise lynch. Or are all lynches compromise lynches to you? If not, how can you claim that a desire to avoid a deadline speechwagon is the same as calling for a compromise lynch?
In post 2294, Sotty7 wrote:Or to put it another way, there are two people on the Rainbow wagon and five of us on the bulb wagon. What is stopping you from swinging over and putting him at lynch -1 at this point?
Because I'm pretty indifferent on the Bulb wagon, whereas these other people are listing RBD as an acceptable lynch for them?
That would seem to be the prime motivator for why I think they should move and not me.
I want it on the record that I find Thesp's posts odd and think he could very well be scum.
Anyway, people should be willing to compromise on the lynch. We gain no information if we do not lynch, and if we do, I will seriously considering replacing out of this game (which would be my first ever replacement) because it is so damn boring, and I really do not want to do that. So please just fucking vote Bulba and we can go from there.
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Post #2300 (isolation #215) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:30 pm
Postby Aegor »
That is so fucking dumb. Bulba is at 5 votes. Who else is? NO ONE. So if you wanted your way, you should have gotten votes earlier than 14 hours before deadline.
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Post #2302 (isolation #216) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:36 pm
Postby Aegor »
RBD, that is blatantly anti-town given that we have spent this entire day talking. Compromise today and then bring up your dumb-ass no lynch plan tomorrow so we can just end the day immediately instead of after twoooooooooooo looooooooooooooong weeeeeeeeeeeeeeks.
In post 2302, Aegor wrote:RBD, that is blatantly anti-town given that we have spent this entire day talking. Compromise today and then bring up your dumb-ass no lynch plan tomorrow so we can just end the day immediately instead of after twoooooooooooo looooooooooooooong weeeeeeeeeeeeeeks.
All basic mountainous logic says no lynch
ASAP
in games with an even number of players.
Its correct play.
Exactly. ASAP. Which has not happened, so let us not waste the effort we have spent. Lynch today and we can NL tomorrow since it does no harm to lynch today.
I will be voteparking you permanently if you impede a lynch today.
When any player says this and it is not immediately followed by "because this is an open setup and they cannot be town" it basically is the equivalent of saying "listen to nothing I have to say for the majority of the game because I am emotionally irrational and incompetent"
heacily drinking theory but still very true. This whole "me of them" logic is something only really dull players tend to use and usually dooms the town if remotely wrong. See half of games with LLD in it for reference of why this is anti-town at best.
I am vindicated by history. Yay!
In post 2021, HighShroomish wrote:*sigh* please don't let this be D1 all over again and have the wagon suddenly dissapear... Please.
VOTE: AEGOR
L-1.
In post 2032, HighShroomish wrote:Okay, so Aegor obviously doesn't give a shit about a wagon forming in one page if it's not on him(as told by the ABR wagon, which floated back and forth but gained a ton of steam over one page). Then he decides to have a hissy fit. Previous to this game day, he just sat around doing about as much fence sitting as possible, and then has a scum read on someone for not fence sitting. I could say half the people here were scum for opposing the ABR wagon at any given time, and RBD wanted kab as a better lynch. I would like to lynch this please.
Thesp wrote:Re-reading Bulbazak, I don't know what to think of him, especially since I think his reads have been drastically wrong the entire game.
I did not care for Maestro, I think your insistence on pushing kabooooom on Day Three over Albert B. Rampage was an attempt to divert pressure (and awkwardly done, likely for the sake of "loyalty"), and your claim that you did not realize there was a modkill that shifted the balance of the game is not believable.
I will check the thread again in the morning before leaving for my flight (so in about four hours). After that I do not think it likely I will be able to log on before the deadline hits.
Concerning the two other players most likely to be lynched: I am not opposed to a bulbazak lynch, but I would not be in favor of an Aegor lynch.
You posted several times before this saying you would vote for a lynch. And yet you refuse to join the Bulba wagon (while joining the less-popular RBD wagon, which very well could have failed) for no good reason? No me gusta.
Why? Maybe I missed the reason; if so, just tell me to ISO you.
PJ's voting attitude toward Bulba is very suspect. There is almost no real interaction or opinion from PJ on Bulba, which I find implausible given how much of the day focused on him.
HS looks much worse upon re-read. He does not interact with HS in any meaningful way, and he never really pushes the hypocrisy case. Furthermore, HS's vote pattern yesterday was...not great. Especially toward the end. And his case on me was nonsense and awful. And his vote on me today was awful.
VOTE: PJ
Would love some HS votes though. Or at least thoughts on him -- what do y'all think of HS?
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Post #2407 (isolation #224) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:25 pm
Postby Aegor »
Oh, and I think emogirl died primarily because Bulba's case practically cleared her, rather than because her reads were awesome (which they were -- she nailed Bulba) or in an attempt to frame someone. But I could be wrong.
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Post #2417 (isolation #225) » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:11 am
Postby Aegor »
@Thesp
: My question was rather why you wanted to lynch RBD over Bulba toward the end of the day. Why not just let the Bulba wagon gain speed?
I will check up on the Kab votes, but I encourage everyone to ISO HS and give me reads or posts that seem town (the discussed townslip does not count).
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Post #2456 (isolation #226) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:44 am
Postby Aegor »
Thesp,
why is your attention so narrowly focused on kab? You admit the possibility that both D3 wagonsw ere on scum and have told me that you found kab's vote timing weird. You have not actually developed those lines of thought at all. Please do so now: why is kab scummy? What made kab's votes suspect? How do you reconcile his voting pattern with scum alignment? Why do I feel like you are not really trying?
Want to lynch between PJ and HS today. PJ's posts have been IIoA, and bad A at that. The No Lynch thing seems more like a stalling tactic than anything else. Chevre's slot is hella scum. Already posted my thoughts on HS.
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Post #2459 (isolation #227) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:16 am
Postby Aegor »
What do you mean on developing those lines of thought? kabooooom votes for ABR at the sort of time you would bus your partner when they were probably going to be lynched anyway, and doesn't push hard for ABR at all. ABR votes for kabooooom, but doesn't push the wagon at all either. They look like they want their votes to show up on each other, but I see no real effort from either to get the other lynched. Notably, Bulbazak doesn't vote on either, but stays on the sideline between the two of them.
Given kab's play, I find it unlikely that scumkab would not be on either of the town wagons but on both of the scum wagons. Either he is opportunistic and mercurial or he is not; you cannot have it both ways.
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Post #2463 (isolation #228) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:37 am
Postby Aegor »
Because they are mutually exclusive.
You charge kab with playing for convenience. How is that reconcilable with being on NEITHER of the two town lynches and BOTH of the scum lynches? I mean, it is possible, but seems unlikely.
Re: PJ. I dismiss your primary premise, i.e. that scum would not coordinate in the manner you suggest. Your entire argument rests on that, so I obviously find it unsound.
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Post #2491 (isolation #229) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:09 pm
Postby Aegor »
In post 2486, Rainbowdash wrote:Only reason I am voting Thesp is that he was on Bulb until my wagon took off where he bailed before the resigned return mixed with I know its going to be pointless to try and argue that you or Sotty is scum today
That was really questionable, and he only ever explained that switch after harshly pressed by me this game day. Reviewing Garmr, he is meh and he had a really bad non-case against me early on.
Still want to lynch PJ. Would be fine with Thesp lynch. HS also needs to die.
1) I am offended that you think I would show partiality in this way.
2) I had to choose between mod-killing Matias or leaving the game in night until I had found a replacement as I couldn't start the new Day with two slots unfilled. In view of the length of time I had already been looking I decided on the first option and so removed the earliest one to require replacement. Any further discussion of this must wait till the game is over.
3)
In post 1, Huntress wrote:9. Any requests/points addressed to me in the thread (including problems with vote counts) should be bolded.
If you have any complaints/problems with this game, please send me a PM rather than posting them in the thread.