NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

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/confirmtits

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I'll try to catch up on this soon.

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Vote: emogirl

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Albert

What's up?

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I'm perfectly happy with a lynch on emogirl for the nonce. She seems way too overconfident.

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Maenara is a disguised policy lynch at best. Stating otherwise and trying to generate discussion on that point is nonsense and should be stopped.

Why would anyone policy lynch Maenara...

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Maybe my idea of policy lynch differs from others, but lynching someone over a null read because the player is bad is considered a policy lynch in my eyes.

Maenara isn't bad. At all. And it isn't a policy lynch. I don't see what you're implying.

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If she wrote a bad post, how does that make her wagon a policy lynch...

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By bad, do you mean scummy or anti-town?

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So you're saying they are policy lynching her for pushing a policy lynch on you? That doesn't make any sense.

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You act like you have information only scum would know. For example, you seem to know that Manaera is town from a handful of posts. You're scummy as hell.

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You ain't seen nothing yet bro

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VOTE: Chevre

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I haven't really followed the last 2 pages and am feeling distant from this game, I don't know why I can't get invested. Chevre's posts are scummy and I'm fine with his lynch. Hopefully we strike gold here and I'll get more motivated.

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Chevre is a good day 1 lynch. You can't just run up everybody to L-3 and then freak out when someone places that player in danger of a lynch, then choose to disintegrate that wagon and bandwagon the new player. This is mountainous, we're not going to get a game-changing claim. Instead of getting caught in a circular suspicion loop, I say we lynch Chevre.

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First of all, Chevre is a guy. Second, I have a slow start, especially in large games. It takes me time to get invested into the game and then I'll start thinking about players, reading their posts and writing lists to make associations. I think Chevre's posts were written in a scummy way. You look at his posts and it looks like he's hiding something in a mountainous game. That's why my vote is on him.

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Looking at the wagon, if Chevre flips town, I'd say that NS is the scum.

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Cool, Zdenek is in the game!

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yessiree, do you have any questions for me?

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Firstly, you calling out on emogirl being confident should result in a lynch struck me as odd.

emogirl's confidence looks like it comes from a source of information that she has exclusive access to. She shouldn't be able to tell who's town or scum with that level of certainty unless she knows their alignment because she's scum.

Secondly, when emogirl was making a stance to defend the Maenara wagon, your series of questions struck me as odd.

Maybe my idea of policy lynch differs from others, but lynching someone over a null read because the player is bad is considered a policy lynch in my eyes.

Maenara isn't bad. At all. And it isn't a policy lynch. I don't see what you're implying.

If she wrote a bad post, how does that make her wagon a policy lynch...

By bad, do you mean scummy or anti-town?

So you're saying they are policy lynching her for pushing a policy lynch on you? That doesn't make any sense.

I don't see what you were trying to achievement with this series of question directed at emogirl. Her intentions were clear to me at the start. Could you call the few gems that Maenara posted as good? the underlying intentions and motivations as town? No way. Therefore, can you policy lynch Maenara? Yes you can.

Emogirl was misrepresenting the bandwagon on Manaera as a policy lynch. It was early enough in the game that multiple players had worst content than Manaera and there's no way that it looked like a policy lynch. If emogirl wanted to defend Maenara, to advance her agenda as scum, she would try to use any random argument, whether logical or not.

Thirdly, you attacked emogirl in #320 with a loaded language that is seen as spoken with haste.

See, this is ironic, because you're attacking me with loaded language and a terrible line of questioning right now.

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>Could you call the few gems that Maenara posted as good? the underlying intentions and motivations as town? No way. Therefore, can you policy lynch Maenara? Yes you can.<

This doesn't make any sense. If you think that an underlying intention is scummy, how can you then go and classify that as a policy lynch? You're voting them because you think their posts don't have a town motivation, which is the opposite of a policy lynch. You're defending emogirl using her own logic, which doesn't work, because it sounds like something she pulled out of the grass.

>Apart from this, why is lynching someone because he/she being overconfident is a good scumhunting technique?<

This question is loaded. I was voting for emogirl because she looked like she knew more than a VT would. She apparently knows that Maenara is town, based on the few posts you pointed out. I found that scummy. She shouldn't be that confident that Maenara is town, nor should she call her a policy lynch, it's contradictory and something that scum would say.

>Why do you dismiss the fact that a pro-town player cannot act with confidence as well?<

This is a blatant strawman. Do you actually want an answer?

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What? What are you guys talking about? No one gave a case for Maenara other than saying her posts are bad. Maestro quoted that post and said it was bad. Sotty and OGML both supported a lynch of her. I'm saying their reasons for doing so is a policy lynch at best since I gave an example of how the post in question could have came from a town mindset. No one explained why Maenara was scummy. I had the most votes at that time, and Maestro said my reasons for defending her were bad. If I were to lynch Maenara, it would be a policy lynch due to her post in question, since I didn't scum read that slot at all.

ABR what did you mean by overconfident? I misinterpreted, well at least I think I misinterpreted it at the time. I thought you were referring to my post count, which you didn't mention now. You say that my stance towards Maenara was overconfident, but NS shared a similar viewpoint but lacked a reason. How was I being more overconfident than NR when I gave a reason for townreading the slot when NR didn't?

Why do you think that I said that I would suspect NS if you were town?

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I don't even...what are you talking about?

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I feel like some players are confusing the issue surrounding the leading wagons as a strategy. I don't appreciate these players muddling the discussion and I will begin pointing fingers very soon.

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(when I'm back from L/A...)

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@Sotty Why don't you read any large game I'm in and see if you buy it or not.

emo's wagon shouldn't be so difficult given how her posts are desperate and grasping, there's definitely some buddies pulling the strings here.

Slandaar / emogirl / emeraldon all look scummy to me.

Garmr is town. Yessir seems town in his motivation. Tebow/Fonz not sure.

Unvote, vote Slandaar

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Nothing scummy about OGML, in fact, I happen to support all of his votes. yessiree you don't know what the hell you're doing, take a backseat.

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emo's wagon shouldn't be so difficult given how her posts are desperate and grasping, there's definitely some buddies pulling the strings here.

If that's the case, why aren't you voting Emo?

Because I want to lynch Slandaar first

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I might be wrong about emo; it's really too early to be certain on Day 1. Slandaar stries me as more likely to be scum.

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OK no.

Unvote, vote emeraldemon

Yes, he posts content and we like him, but we have to shoot this one before he becomes trouble.

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The momentum on it completely died and what are we left with?

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YS, why are you voting for OGML?

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Fonz, what do you think of Slandaar?

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Because you usually have a trajectory, are more forceful, do less setup speculation and post more.

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YS, why are you voting for OGML?

I'm waiting for him to explain this

Chevre is town not for suddenly trying hard (that really should have happened without needing a major wagon to give you motivation) but because of the swarm of people already trying to lay blame for a chevre mislynch at the feet of ABR et. al. Somebody who *knows* he's town is feeding that fire.

180 turn from Chevre scum to Chevre town, and the reason is apparently, since he thinks Chevre became a mislynch now, people who tried to defend his lynch were trying to lay blame to ABR et al. because "they're scum and know Chevre is town".

OGML is basically a guy like me who hates reading walls or discussing irrelevant points in circles, and relies on a simpler form of scumhunting which boils down to checking who's operating in bad faith. Slandaar fits the bill for this.

Because you usually have a trajectory, are more forceful, do less setup speculation and post more.

If you have the time, can you link me to a game where he's like what you described so we can compare?

Here you go: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31972

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I would have posted a lot more or at least thrown some nice town looking content out

You mean like this:

straight up to snipping away the point he didn't want to deal with.

I assume this is meaning;

does not absolve your sin of hiding on the sidelines sitting out all major discussion.

Alright then I won't 'ignore' it; What exactly do you mean by sitting out all major discussions? Could you tell me GF's contribution to these major discussions?

But to answer the question you thought would let you avoid the rest of it, its a non starter because you put your vote there and prompty did nothing at all to get it started.

That doesn't mean its a non-starter just means I didn't push the wagon. What is the difference between that and lets just take a completely random example; GF's vote?

Somebody who *knows* he's town is feeding that fire.

Who are we talking about here?

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So, what you are saying is, you think I am scum for not posting much (which I can disprove at anytime) and the content I have posted looks town?

Doesn't look good does it Albert?

I really couldn't care less about what you thought, but you're being as useful as nipples on a batsuit at the moment. If it's a lack of initiative or confidence I can't say. This isn't even about not enough posts or low content. You parked your unexplained vote on Goodfather 20 pages ago and asked us to sheep you on it without any further reference to him since then. You're not trying to pressure anyone, you're not helping bandwagons, what are you doing? Give me one good reason not to lynch you right now.

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Everybody is a hypocrite. Congratulations, you broke the game.

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Easy, it's emeraldemon.

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Meta, if I were scum here, I would have posted a lot more or at least thrown some nice town looking content out,

I find it interesting you think I would not consider my meta in relation to others.

This is true. ABR should not be using meta to push Slandaar's wagon. That was pretty bad of him.

Even if I'm bad at explaining my reads, they're usually right on the money. Slandaar isn't that great a player that he will adapt his meta to every single player in the game as scum, although that would be hilarious if someone actually believed him on that. In actuality, Slandaar is the coward type who will crumble under pressure as scum. I'm surprised he hasn't replaced out yet, but he might as well have, with the content he's been putting out. This isn't a difficult decision, lynch Slandaar.

Unvote, vote Slandaar

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FYI emogirl, even though his play is different from other games, that's not why I'm voting for him, and never was. It's his reactions and his posts afterwards that are appalling. And if he flips scum, you're next in my book.

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I know you Slandaar, I know how weak and pathetic you are. Go run away.

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It seems like you don't remember me. Let me refresh your memory.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31485

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34696

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I accumulated approximately 0 votes in those games,

It appears you are the one who misremembers.

Because you made yourself a non-entity. If you had posted more content, you would have been easily caught. You replaced out before.

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I'm right here Slandaar, going to watch you and your scum team burn.

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I like how you avoided the question.

Didn't get away with it though.

You didn't ask a question.

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Sure I did.

The one you ignored.

Except I ignored nothing.

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I responded to your question but my post got caught in the simulposting. If you didn't spam the thread with one-liners, you might have seen it. Too bad for you.

Unvote Slandaar, vote emeraldemon

I'll be coming after you tomorrow.

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It's unpleasant when you go through all the trouble of quoting and copying and pasting, push submit and your post doesn't come through because someone ninja'd you and you thought it went through and you lost the entire post you wrote.

Cliff notes of my missing post:

You accused Brian of "obvious scum" and were voting for Goodfather. You called me "guaranteed scum" and voted for Brian. Why do you think there has to be a vote for you to be caught? If you had posted more content on either of the games I linked, you would have been run up in a second. You chose to barely show up and eventually replace out, so unless someone wants to be accused of lurker policy lynching, they were forced to ignore you. That doesn't make your situation any less precarious.

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I responded to your question but my post got caught in the simulposting. If you didn't spam the thread with one-liners, you might have seen it. Too bad for you.

Unvote Slandaar, vote emeraldemon

I'll be coming after you tomorrow.

Don't like this one bit. I looked backed and didn't see a direct response to it unless you mean this.

I'm voting him for #652. I was originally the only vote on emeraldemon until Slandaar started acting up 2 pages ago and I wanted to see him go down, but emeraldemon is infinitely better than Brian and still preferable to Slandaar.

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This feels wrong.

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Slandaar, start making sense and stop muddling the discussion.

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How is Fonz a weak or lynchable player? This doesn't add up.

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Fonz, why is your vote not on emerald?

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Fonz, why is your vote not on emerald?

ABR, why is your vote not on Slandaar?

Slight possibility Slandaar is trolling town.

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Emerald is a harder lynch.

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Unvote, vote Slandaar

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You're signing your own death warrant. If you were a little bit more cooperative, you might have been able to blend in with town.

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So your plan was to bait me into voting you so you could self-hammer?

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How is that even remotely playing to your win condition?

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Slandaar, who had the strongest case on you among everyone on your bandwagon?

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Because you're good for nothing.

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Well thanks for not replacing out this time.

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To be fair, it was an easy assessment, since of the 3 games we played, two of them you were scum and replaced out with bad excuses.

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Whoa. This logic is flawed. The only reason you have the impression Slandaar vs. me was scummy was because I was originally voting for emerald for a long time before I switched to Slandaar because he was being a crybaby. I decided to go back to Slandaar in case I was wrong, and at the same time, Slandaar decided emerald was a good place to vote, with no history mentionning anything about emerald.

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to go back to emerald in case I was wrong about Slandaar*

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It wouldn't be the first time Slandaar has screwed town over, Thor.

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Vote: NS

The vote on me came out of nowhere and seemed like it was a calculated move.

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I'm not entirely sure which direction to go in right now. Zdenek isn't even making any sense.

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"you voted with a majority of the town for someone who flipped town, so you're scum"

^^

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Are you trying to make it look like you're bussing me or something?

Unvote, vote Zdenek

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What's the difference between Zdenek and Zekrom25?

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Bulbazak what do you my alignment is? What do you think of Zdenek's assertions?

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What's the point of your play here?

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off of a dead man's read list, especially when that player went against his win condition in the manner that he did, and especially since he was the one stretching to make his points for most of his arguments, which was what got him lynched in the first place.

I'm balancing back and forth the idea of him being a VI or scum.

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^^^ I was referring to Zekrom's post. I alluded to my indifferentiation of you here:

What's the difference between Zdenek and Zekrom25?

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Zdenek, your reads are all wrong and I don't think you would read me as scum if you were indeed town.

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Whenever someone replaces in and has the exact same reads as their predecessor, I'm automatically suspicious. The Zdenek vote is such a throwaway, it seems like a red herring to encourage town to vote for me.

Recap:

-Tony is voting from me when he replaces in
-He votes Zdenek as an RVS
-Comes back to me

Apparently, I contradicted myself because I was confident and I said emogirl's overconfidence was scummy, so that makes me scummy. Yeah, right.

Unvote, vote Tony PF

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Garmr what do you think of emo's replacement?

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TonyPF and Zdenek are scum together, I don't know who the third is.

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Tony is following a strategy set out in QT-land to come after me. Emo did the same, and Tony isn't diverging. They want me gone.

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Zekrom you should ask for a replacement.

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Unvote, vote NS

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Can you stop the GIFs now

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GIFs. Stop posting animated pictures.

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Lynch NS.

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Well, I think that the kill means that Sotty is town, so that's something.

How's that?

Scum Sotty probably leaves town Fonz alive to split the paranoia over not being NK'd as the game goes on.

WIFOM.

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Vote: kabooooom

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Well, I think that the kill means that Sotty is town, so that's something.

^^^

I see what you mean with this. It's still WIFOM. Matias commented as a response to you.

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I haven't read this game. I won't. There's too many players and too many pages.

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Frankly, my reasoning is awesome Matias' isn't.

Even though Sotty is town, your reasoning has no merit.

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ISOing Fonz.

If ABR is not even going to read the game he should be lynched.

I'm doing the same thing as Thor.

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Vanilla town

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Nevermind, I forgot this was mountainous.

Thor, I'd probably think the same thing as you in your position; can't blame you.

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Mod: This game moves too fast for me; replace me please

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I'm seriously disappointed my slot wasn't replaced. It could have turned the tide of the game.

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15 vts vs 3 scum is also OP town

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I didn't have time to read the game.