Mafia 58: Ready Salted - Game over!

[theopor_COD]

Hello everyone.

Interesting start.

[theopor_COD]

Question for: theopor_COD

What did you find interesting about this game's start?

Just seems to have provoked plenty of reaction early. Looking at other games this one seems to be lively.

[theopor_COD]

Good night on the whole only one down, no serial.

First of all I'm amazed Livingod was a Godfather, complete shambles from his point of view, I'd also be inclined to think a few of his buddies gave him up and jumped on the lynch, just to make themselves look slightly more innocent. However I also think some of those not voting him look pretty sus aswell.

Having looked at the previous day's voting Rand Althor, Scotmany, Phita and Battle Mage worry me the most.

This post from Scot one reason why

Right now, the only vote that I am even considering is the one that my gut is telling me. Even though I know that you will all most likely attack me for this vote simply because I have a gut feeling, I feel it is the right thing to do.

Vote: Twito

I guess I just don't trust you.

However, if more information comes of on livingod being scum, then I am willing to switch.

Just seems like he knows Livingod is scum and votes Twito (due to his gut feeling) but also uses the old willing to switch line if it appears Living appears doomed. As such

Vote Scotmany12

[theopor_COD]

Not only did we get a GF, they killed someone I had no read on and who was late on the bandwagon. Lucky us.

Good night on the whole only one down, no serial.

First of all I'm amazed Livingod was a Godfather, complete shambles from his point of view, I'd also be inclined to think a few of his buddies gave him up and jumped on the lynch, just to make themselves look slightly more innocent. However I also think some of those not voting him look pretty sus aswell.

Having looked at the previous day's voting Rand Althor, Scotmany, Phita and Battle Mage worry me the most.

I find it rather suspicious that this is your first contribution, having stayed completely out of the spotlight while the LG wagon went down. You didn't even vote.

However, even if you're scum, I'm pretty sure you put some fellow scum on your list. And it's not a bad list.

I do not really think Battle Mage or Scotmany are scum. They both seem too obvious (if you interpret them as defending LG, which in Scotmany's case seems pretty iffy to me).

There's a lot of reason to think a number of people are town imho, so our position should be pretty good.

vote: phita23

for voting DoS for seemingly false reasons. Explain yourself pls.

Comment on Battle Mage:

Well i gotta agree that Livingod has been acting a bit scummy in this game, but im equally wary of the fact that such a large majority is already wagonning him. Really, there is such little challenge there, im wondering-if he is Mafia-WTF are the rest of em!?
Unvote

Here he's unvoting DoS, not LG. So not even obvious defense here. A little weird I suppose.

Apologies for not being much help for the first few days, one I can't get on every day, two the speed of the lynch was quicker than lightning, the guy didn't even have the chance to offer a claim.

[theopor_COD]

Unvote, Vote Battle Mage

If he's not mafia then I think Cheesefan and Kaleidoscope most definately are.

[theopor_COD]

Well BM deffently deserves a

fos:BM

, theopor_COD can you give a reason why I worry you?

Just the vote for Riverwind on page five, sometime after the no lynch discussion had expired.

Mind I worry myself most of the time.

As for Scott I think your half hearted vote for Twito same page and then the I'll vote for Livingod if it becomes evident he's for the lynch quote.

[theopor_COD]

This post from Scot one reason why

Right now, the only vote that I am even considering is the one that my gut is telling me. Even though I know that you will all most likely attack me for this vote simply because I have a gut feeling, I feel it is the right thing to do.

Vote: Twito

I guess I just don't trust you.

However, if more information comes of on livingod being scum, then I am willing to switch.

Just seems like he knows Livingod is scum and votes Twito (due to his gut feeling) but also uses the old willing to switch line if it appears Living appears doomed. As such

Vote Scotmany12

Um, I honestly had no idea whether or not Livingod was scum or not. I would really like to here why you think I knew that livingod was scum.

Just a gut instinct I guess, your post reeks of wanting to vote Livingod but not because he's your Godfather.

[theopor_COD]

So as i see it theoper. You are voting for me because of my gut instinct on twito. However, you are voting off of a gut instinct too. Hypocritical, are we?

I wasn't the one who made out I was voting someone on a gut instinct, but would happily jump to another if he looked like being lynched.

[theopor_COD]

It's true that Twito was late on LG, but reading his posts I am inclined to believe that Twito was just being a good townie. Notice that he didn't just hop onto LG, there was clear reason that made him confident about it.

There should be more votes on theopor_COD.

Let me do a post by post recap...

Jan 29:

Hello everyone.

Interesting start.

Feb 1:

Question for: theopor_COD

What did you find interesting about this game's start?

Just seems to have provoked plenty of reaction early. Looking at other games this one seems to be lively.

Note lack of content. Note several days' separation.

Feb 8:

Good night on the whole only one down, no serial.

First of all I'm amazed Livingod was a Godfather, complete shambles from his point of view, I'd also be inclined to think a few of his buddies gave him up and jumped on the lynch, just to make themselves look slightly more innocent. However I also think some of those not voting him look pretty sus aswell.

Having looked at the previous day's voting Rand Althor, Scotmany, Phita and Battle Mage worry me the most.

This post from Scot one reason why

Right now, the only vote that I am even considering is the one that my gut is telling me. Even though I know that you will all most likely attack me for this vote simply because I have a gut feeling, I feel it is the right thing to do.
Vote: Twito
I guess I just don't trust you.

However, if more information comes of on livingod being scum, then I am willing to switch.

Just seems like he knows Livingod is scum and votes Twito (due to his gut feeling) but also uses the old willing to switch line if it appears Living appears doomed. As such Vote Scotmany12

Note 1. noting town's good luck, 2. setup speculation (no SK), 3. wishy washy paragraph of suspicions before getting down to it (these are basic scumtells related to looking for stuff to post without actually helping the town or making commitments).

I admit I did #1 myself.

In my humble opinion this case against Scotmany sucks, although it doesn't necessarily mean theopor_COD is scummy. "I'm willing to switch" strikes me more as something that would be said by scum looking to move

to a townie

, not fellow scum. I'd expect scum looking to switch to scum to say "I do think LG is fairly scummy" not "I need to see the case," since this latter just invites more discussion on LG.

Also, there's nothing wrong with voting on gut; his Twito vote certainly wasn't out of nowhere (look at his earlier posts); and so it seems to me unnecessary to look at this Twito vote as a move to save LG or whatever might supposedly help scum.

Feb 8 (response to me saying he was suspicious for not posting day 1):

Apologies for not being much help for the first few days, one I can't get on every day, two the speed of the lynch was quicker than lightning, the guy didn't even have the chance to offer a claim.

making excuses

Feb 8:

Unvote, Vote Battle Mage

If he's not mafia then I think Cheesefan and Kaleidoscope most definately are.

WTF is this???? This is why I first voted theopor_COD, what is this stuff here --^^^ ??

He was also asked about this by Cheesefan, and he hasn't answered.

As before, I find the above scummy because Battle Mage was one of theopor_COD's suspects. And if Cheesefan and Kaleidoscope's pursuit seems scummy to theopor_COD, why in the hell would he want to go along with them?

My theory is that theopor_COD wanted to gently hop from Scotmany to (the more popular) Battle Mage and felt he needed to say something while doing so. What a sneaky guy eh!

Feb 8:

Well BM deffently deserves a fos:BM, theopor_COD can you give a reason why I worry you?

Just the vote for Riverwind on page five, sometime after the no lynch discussion had expired.

Mind I worry myself most of the time.

As for Scott I think your half hearted vote for Twito same page and then the I'll vote for Livingod if it becomes evident he's for the lynch quote.

Possible scumminess in seeming to undermine his own suggestion that RA was scummy (e.g. "You just worry me because of something that sounds lame now that I say it out loud, and hey I worry myself LOL").

Feb 10:

Um, I honestly had no idea whether or not Livingod was scum or not. I would really like to here why you think I knew that livingod was scum.

Just a gut instinct I guess, your post reeks of wanting to vote Livingod but not because he's your Godfather.

Feb 10:

So as i see it theoper. You are voting for me because of my gut instinct on twito. However, you are voting off of a gut instinct too. Hypocritical, are we?

I wasn't the one who made out I was voting someone on a gut instinct, but would happily jump to another if he looked like being lynched.

I find this response awfully scummy, as Scotmany didn't say anything remotely similar to being happy to jump to LG if it looked like he'd be lynched.

confirm vote theopor_COD

unvote, vote kelly chen

No need for any more discussion.

[theopor_COD]

Although I will say that's a lot of effort to go to.

[theopor_COD]

I have the feeling the scum are happily joining his bandwagon.

[theopor_COD]

this post gives me the impression of a sort of regret.
If he is scum, i think that perhaps at least 1 person on his wagon is also scum. At least that is what he seems to be implying, perhaps with the intention of treachery. Nonetheless, the evidence provided by Kelly Chen, in addition to the OMGUS vote wreaks of noob-scum.

Vote: Theopor COD

I have the feeling the scum are happily joining his bandwagon.

I'm a noob-town, but I'd agree one or two people on the wagon are scum.

[theopor_COD]

Okay been away for a couple of days see my wagon has escalated. I've played pretty foolishly since the start of this day, I posted a pathetic reply to Kelly the other night whilst drunk, I guess it was to try and make it look like I didn't mind being attacked and didn't want to appear over defensive.

Anyhow being as I'm two from the lynch I'll reveal my role, not that it will save me much if people don't believe me, I'm a Vanilla Townie.

Kelly Chen response coming.

[theopor_COD]

It's true that Twito was late on LG, but reading his posts I am inclined to believe that Twito was just being a good townie. Notice that he didn't just hop onto LG, there was clear reason that made him confident about it.

There should be more votes on theopor_COD.

Let me do a post by post recap...

Jan 29:

Hello everyone.

Interesting start.

Feb 1:

Question for: theopor_COD

What did you find interesting about this game's start?

Just seems to have provoked plenty of reaction early. Looking at other games this one seems to be lively.

Note lack of content. Note several days' separation.

Feb 8:

Good night on the whole only one down, no serial.

First of all I'm amazed Livingod was a Godfather, complete shambles from his point of view, I'd also be inclined to think a few of his buddies gave him up and jumped on the lynch, just to make themselves look slightly more innocent. However I also think some of those not voting him look pretty sus aswell.

Having looked at the previous day's voting Rand Althor, Scotmany, Phita and Battle Mage worry me the most.

This post from Scot one reason why

Right now, the only vote that I am even considering is the one that my gut is telling me. Even though I know that you will all most likely attack me for this vote simply because I have a gut feeling, I feel it is the right thing to do.
Vote: Twito
I guess I just don't trust you.

However, if more information comes of on livingod being scum, then I am willing to switch.

Just seems like he knows Livingod is scum and votes Twito (due to his gut feeling) but also uses the old willing to switch line if it appears Living appears doomed. As such Vote Scotmany12

Note 1. noting town's good luck, 2. setup speculation (no SK), 3. wishy washy paragraph of suspicions before getting down to it (these are basic scumtells related to looking for stuff to post without actually helping the town or making commitments).

I admit I did #1 myself.

In my humble opinion this case against Scotmany sucks, although it doesn't necessarily mean theopor_COD is scummy. "I'm willing to switch" strikes me more as something that would be said by scum looking to move

to a townie

, not fellow scum. I'd expect scum looking to switch to scum to say "I do think LG is fairly scummy" not "I need to see the case," since this latter just invites more discussion on LG.

Also, there's nothing wrong with voting on gut; his Twito vote certainly wasn't out of nowhere (look at his earlier posts); and so it seems to me unnecessary to look at this Twito vote as a move to save LG or whatever might supposedly help scum.

Feb 8 (response to me saying he was suspicious for not posting day 1):

Apologies for not being much help for the first few days, one I can't get on every day, two the speed of the lynch was quicker than lightning, the guy didn't even have the chance to offer a claim.

making excuses

Feb 8:

Unvote, Vote Battle Mage

If he's not mafia then I think Cheesefan and Kaleidoscope most definately are.

WTF is this???? This is why I first voted theopor_COD, what is this stuff here --^^^ ??

He was also asked about this by Cheesefan, and he hasn't answered.

As before, I find the above scummy because Battle Mage was one of theopor_COD's suspects. And if Cheesefan and Kaleidoscope's pursuit seems scummy to theopor_COD, why in the hell would he want to go along with them?

My theory is that theopor_COD wanted to gently hop from Scotmany to (the more popular) Battle Mage and felt he needed to say something while doing so. What a sneaky guy eh!

Feb 8:

Well BM deffently deserves a fos:BM, theopor_COD can you give a reason why I worry you?

Just the vote for Riverwind on page five, sometime after the no lynch discussion had expired.

Mind I worry myself most of the time.

As for Scott I think your half hearted vote for Twito same page and then the I'll vote for Livingod if it becomes evident he's for the lynch quote.

Possible scumminess in seeming to undermine his own suggestion that RA was scummy (e.g. "You just worry me because of something that sounds lame now that I say it out loud, and hey I worry myself LOL").

Feb 10:

Um, I honestly had no idea whether or not Livingod was scum or not. I would really like to here why you think I knew that livingod was scum.

Just a gut instinct I guess, your post reeks of wanting to vote Livingod but not because he's your Godfather.

Feb 10:

So as i see it theoper. You are voting for me because of my gut instinct on twito. However, you are voting off of a gut instinct too. Hypocritical, are we?

I wasn't the one who made out I was voting someone on a gut instinct, but would happily jump to another if he looked like being lynched.

I find this response awfully scummy, as Scotmany didn't say anything remotely similar to being happy to jump to LG if it looked like he'd be lynched.

confirm vote theopor_COD

Okay from the top -

Feb 1 - I'm unable to post every day, therefore unable to post vast amounts every day like some people, apologies if it seems I'm lurking I'm not, plus I didn't have much to add to the ongoing discussion. I've read several other games Yakuza being one and this game seemed to have shot out of the blocks. I didn't vote for LG basically because I wasn't online, not saying I would have done if I was because I wasn't sure on him.

Feb 8 - The first part Kelly herself said she did, with regard to amazement at LG being a Godfather, as for vote on Scotmany I looked back over the previous lynch to see if anyone stood out. There may not be much of a case against Scot or Kelly could be defending him by attacking me, however I just found his vote on Twito and subsequent comment with regard to LG scummy.

Feb 8 - As for the switch and subsequent vote for Battle Mage, this was just stupidity, I'll admit that, I guess my vote on Scot was pretty pointless and made an ill thought out comment to switch to BM because others were.

Lastly the vote on Kelly is OMGUS bigstyle, as I say I viewed the thread Saturday night whilst drunk and didn't like being attacked, does anyone town or scum, therefore I voted Kelly because I know she's wrong. However I do think after reflection she's town so

unvote

.

Last but not least I'm pretty dissapointed with the way I've played the last few days, I can only hope the town take me for who I am and believe me.

As for my wagon plenty of people seem happy to just have jumped on board I suspect two at least as scum.

[theopor_COD]

Read my second to last post. I've already claimed.

[theopor_COD]

And I want theopor_COD himself to pick out some scum suspects from it.

Having just re-read the thread from your original post and the subsequent wagon, the following I think are probably more scummy than the likes of yourself and Twito, you both seem to be acting more town. Basically because you've posted content and laid out a decent argument to lynch me. I'm not sure the mafia would have gone to so much trouble as Kelly has so she appears to me the most town.

Anyway - the ones I think look scummiest are Chibo and Kaleidoscope closely followed by Riverwind, OverTheUnder and ~n9v~.

Vote Chibo

but I'd be happy voting any of the above.

[theopor_COD]

Also can we have a prod on a few.

Phita, Water_Foul and Shamrock namely.

[theopor_COD]

To add some more substance to my suspicions.

The lynch on Livingod although ultimately correct, amazed me slightly that there wasn't any other real bandwagon on day one (aside from a small one against DoS which makes me think he's possibly more town than scum), admittedly LG looked pretty scummy, but I'd tend to think that it would take a little more discussion to get 11 votes. I'd be even more amazed if all 11 on the lynch were town, from past experience on another site townies would look for discussion, offer more reason etc and at least wait for some sort of claim, therefore at a guess two or three of these scum

[quote="ChannelDelibird"]

End of Day 1 Vote Count:

Livingod- 11 (Amb, Twito, DragonsofSummer, Kelly Chen, water_foul, ~N9V~, KaleiÐoscøpe, Riverwind23, Cheesefan, spectrumvoid, OverTheUnder)

[quote]

Now then the hammer vote is interesting because just prior to UndertheOver's hammer, Chibo posted for the first time the following

[quote="Chibo"]Silly rule.. having to post.

What is there to do ? We have no leads...

All we can do is vote someone off for silly reasons like the above. Oh, your asking for people to follow this vote so we can get on with the game... SCUM.

Funny thing is, i fully expect someone to suspect me now, it seems to be happening to eveyone in this topic and it's getting us absolutely nowhere. Just vote for 1 person so we can get on with the game.[/quote]

His second post contradicts his first entirely.

[quote="Chibo"]

vote:theopor_COD

Need to get on with the game.[/quote]

He hasn't posted since and to be fair hasn't been much help. Either way I'm not totally sure he's scum just don't think he's helped bring much to the table.


Another one who's certainly making me worried is Riverwind, mainly because he keeps posting irrelevant rubbish again not helping the town, could be a distraction, could just be Riverwind trying to be funny. I don't need to post a quote from him just select his posts and read them all.

Phita23 needs to pipe up.

Last but not least I'm tending to think Battle Mage is town and was sticking up slightly for Livingod because he had no idea he'd be Mafia, a few on board the lynch knew he'd appear mafia and thus have vote him to look town. I'm looking at Cheesefan and Kaleidoscope in particular. Who have both jumped on easily to my wagon without putting up any kind of argument for or against, hardly in the spirit of townieness.

[theopor_COD]

I'm going to repost this as I've messed up my quotation marks, just so its easier for all to understand easier

To add some more substance to my suspicions.

The lynch on Livingod although ultimately correct, amazed me slightly that there wasn't any other real bandwagon on day one (aside from a small one against DoS which makes me think he's possibly more town than scum), admittedly LG looked pretty scummy, but I'd tend to think that it would take a little more discussion to get 11 votes. I'd be even more amazed if all 11 on the lynch were town, from past experience on another site townies would look for discussion, offer more reason etc and at least wait for some sort of claim, therefore at a guess two or three of these scum

[quote="ChannelDelibird"]

End of Day 1 Vote Count:

Livingod- 11 (Amb, Twito, DragonsofSummer, Kelly Chen, water_foul, ~N9V~, KaleiÐoscøpe, Riverwind23, Cheesefan, spectrumvoid, OverTheUnder)

[/quote]

Now then the hammer vote is interesting because just prior to UndertheOver's hammer, Chibo posted for the first time the following

[quote="Chibo"]Silly rule.. having to post.

What is there to do ? We have no leads...

All we can do is vote someone off for silly reasons like the above. Oh, your asking for people to follow this vote so we can get on with the game... SCUM.

Funny thing is, i fully expect someone to suspect me now, it seems to be happening to eveyone in this topic and it's getting us absolutely nowhere. Just vote for 1 person so we can get on with the game.[/quote]

His second post contradicts his first entirely.

[quote="Chibo"]

vote:theopor_COD

Need to get on with the game.[/quote]

He hasn't posted since and to be fair hasn't been much help. Either way I'm not totally sure he's scum just don't think he's helped bring much to the table.


Another one who's certainly making me worried is Riverwind, mainly because he keeps posting irrelevant rubbish again not helping the town, could be a distraction, could just be Riverwind trying to be funny. I don't need to post a quote from him just select his posts and read them all.

Phita23 needs to pipe up.

Last but not least I'm tending to think Battle Mage is town and was sticking up slightly for Livingod because he had no idea he'd be Mafia, a few on board the lynch knew he'd appear mafia and thus have vote him to look town. I'm looking at Cheesefan and Kaleidoscope in particular. Who have both jumped on easily to my wagon without putting up any kind of argument for or against, hardly in the spirit of townieness.

[theopor_COD]

18 of us left, I trust myself not the other 17 you just seem to be acting more scummy than others.

I've posted my arguments for the lynch of Livingod which although correct I feel a few on it have to be scum, you were one who jumped on without much persuasion, next time you post you sound eager to hammer me, just don't think your appearing more townie than scum, mind I do think others are more worthy of my vote.

Also ~n9v~ worth asking who you think is scum?

[theopor_COD]

EBWOP:

FoS BM and Riverwind

And I'm assuming there are about 6 or 7 scums left and 11 or 12 townies in my example in the first paragraph. For further understanding I'm thinking there are 3 or 4 power roles amung the town.

Seems a lot of scum to me, you got some insider information.

[theopor_COD]

Unvote, Vote: amb

I dislike his last post. Seems scummy to me.

I don't really like this post much. Any chance you could eloborate a little more, there seems to be more obvious candidates than Amb.

[theopor_COD]

ok, all the people on the little one votes should switch to a meaningful bandwagon or at least a possible one.

Hardly inspiring that considering you were going to give us your thoughts on scum

i don't think twito scum, he's just really really sarcastic. on th other hand should anyone want to go back to BM i would be willing to join you. tomorrow i will go through all the posts and determine who is most likly scum.(unless it's me. then i'll make up someone.)

maybe it's hard to give your own buddies away, either way the more I see you post rubbish the more i'm inclined to vote you, especially as my vote on Chibo another scum seems to be wasted.

[theopor_COD]

In response to Kelly Chen -

I found Scot's vote scummy because firstly he was voting Chibo, his post 325 was pretty emphatic

Vote: Chibo

Think about it. Why else would you not want to post unless you are scum?

Then next time he posts he quickly changes votes to Amb, what made him change his mind about Chibo so much? Is that too difficult to understand why I found it slightly scummy, Kelly?
Chibo mind needs to put in an appearance it's been a week, instead of Vigging him can't we just lynch him. And yep my vote is still on him, mainly because I think he's the scummiest out there, appearing or not.

As for the case against Amb, I don't see it so much, Amb has pointed out why he found Twito and OtH scummy in this post

FOS River

for being Livingod's first vote (and for saying "My heart scares me. It has evil ideas" :p)

Minor FOS OverTheUnder

for being the hammering vote (A reluctant scum perhaps?)

Vote Twito

for "The wagon on livingod lacking speed just proves that it's on scum."
1. Potentially sounds like inside knowledge
2. He was late on the bandwagon himself. Does his statement apply equally to him?
3. Besideswhich there wasn't evidence of any description. Someone had to be lynched and we got lucky. The lack of speed on any bandwagon can be attributed to 'Town' players who don't honestly know if the target is scum.

It's not as if he's just started to suspect him, there's also a case for voting UndertheOver for hammering the Godfather as ~n9v~ points out here, although again I'm not convinced on an OtH vote.

Actually,

Vote: OverTheUnder

for the uncalled-for hammer on livingod. I beleive he is scum, hammering the Godfather, because he knew that he was already screwed. So he decided to make it look like he was town.

Anyway I just don't really like Scot's quick change based on Amb's post, especially as Amb has already pointed out his feelings on UtO and Twito. You Kelly seem to be defending Scot a fair bit aswell, anything in it?

Another thing worth pointing out to Kelly, you seemed to be convinced on Phita, has anything changed since Lowell replaced?

Elsewhere I can't for the life of me see how Riverwind has gained any townie points, all he seems to have done is posted irrelevant drivel and this post just reeks.

ok, all the people on the little one votes should switch to a meaningful bandwagon or at least a possible one.

[theopor_COD]

I agree with you on Chibo, Scot may well have not changed his stance on him and may still feel stronly about him as I do. Scot will have to clear that one up for me.

My personal opinion however is that others have been appearing more scummy than Amb, although through their lack of postings (i.e ~n9v~, Kaleidoscope) and random posts (Riverwind) it's hard to guage, as for Scot quickly hopping onto Amb it seemed a false move as Amb had already pointed out he suspected Twito and OvertheUnder, why not vote Amb earlier.

As for my vote on Chibo, it's there because I think he's most worthy of it, I'd like to hear from him or a replacement, I'm not going to shamelessly jump onto another unless I'm pretty certain he warrants my vote, I could give a few FOS's out, but tend not to bother with them, fact is i'm wary of everyone, some more than others.

Amb's post with regard to the LG lynch agreed is slightly scummy and no I don't suspect all three are scum, bussing their Godfather. However I wasn't commenting on whether I believed it or not, just made the point Amb was already suspicious of Twito and OtU in relation to Scot's vote, likewise I don't feel much for ~n9v~'s post either, it's a shifting of the blame type post to take the heat away from others who may have been on the wagon and as stated don't feel much for an OtU vote.

I can understand your reasoning on Riverwind, at least he is posting.

Anyway if we're looking back at the previous lynch, what do you make of the Cheesefan/Battle Mage argument?

[theopor_COD]

I do still feel strongly about chibo. The reason I voted for amb is because he is not willing to be the first one to vote for twito. However, if anyone votes for him, then he is willing to jump on as well. That is what I didn't like about his post.

That is a much better point

[theopor_COD]

Been looking at BM's early posts, these two in particular . . .

well i think im gonna stick with my current vote. Although Livingod HAS been acting suspicious, and has been slandering me publically in other games, i'm not going to drop to his level. I still maintain that the only way such a wagon could have developed unopposed, is with Mafia consent. Im not sure just how many wagonners are Mafia, but i am absolutely positive that there is at least 2 hiding out in there!

Well i gotta agree that Livingod has been acting a bit scummy in this game, but im equally wary of the fact that such a large majority is already wagonning him. Really, there is such little challenge there, im wondering-if he is Mafia-WTF are the rest of em!?

Unvote

I guess this where the suspicion on him is coming from, however would it not make more sense if BM was mafia to jump on to the wagon and not defend him so voraciously, then again the fact he alludes to the fact Livingod may be mafia (in the last sentence above) and then makes the point the rest of them are maybe he has some inside knowledge after all. I'm not sure he's either scum or he's a townie trying to defend what he thinks is another townie.

I'm also not convinced with the Cheesefan, Kaleidoscope and Riverwind alliance. None of whom are ultimately being of much help, Kaleidoscope's happy for a BM lynch but isn't even voting for him!

[theopor_COD]

what made him change his mind about Chibo so much?

I didn't see him saying nothing like "Chibo looks protown". Where did you get this: "change his mind about Chibo so much"-thing?

He didn't, but he didn't post any content with his Amb vote and as his previous post was adamant that Chibo was scum I felt it was a quick change of direction, however now Scot has posted a viable reason to voting Amb here . . I've realised it was a vote that made sense, pretty much the same as Kaleidoscope now that he wants to vote for someone but wants others to do so first.

I do still feel strongly about chibo. The reason I voted for amb is because he is not willing to be the first one to vote for twito. However, if anyone votes for him, then he is willing to jump on as well. That is what I didn't like about his post.

theopor_CODs resent defending of Amb makes me re-suspicious of theopor_COD.

As I say I was alarmed by the quick change of vote without an explanation, Scot's now given one so I'm more worried about Amb. Plus I agree I don't like Kaleidoscope's post much.

Mod can we get a prod on those that haven't posted in over a week, Chibo mainly.

[theopor_COD]

I'm happy to move from the silent, lifeless Chibo to Kaleidoscope.

unvote, vote kaleidoscope

. Mind we should get shot of Chibo either tonight or get him replaced.

[theopor_COD]

New plan.

unvote, vote Theopor

FOS scotmany

These two stick out like sore thumbs. Problem is I can't conceivably see them BOTH being scum, and theo has pretty much gone out of his way to take on scotmany.

1) My problem with scotmany, as mentioned, is the way he subtly tried to sway the D1 wagon away from livingod. In my opinion this could just be sloppy scum play from a newbie.

2) My problem with theo is that he's done NOTHING but take on lurkers/newbies/invisible targets this whole game. To me that's a sign of someone who doesn't want much attention on them. Everything he does reeks of stepping on eggshells.


Anyway, one of these idiots has got to be scum.

Eggshells? Well idiot brain that's total bullshit, plus I don't think you need to be insulting. I think it's fair to say I've already had a fair amount of attention on me aswell being as I was -2.

I've done nothing eh, maybe you should re-read my posts and point out where I'm afraid of stepping on eggshells, instead of spouting such crap without backing it up with any evidence, looks more like your setting out a defence to the wagon on Kaleidoscope.

My case on Scotmany originally was due to his quote here, just looked to me like he was not voting LG, but would switch if it looked like he was going to be lynched.

Right now, the only vote that I am even considering is the one that my gut is telling me. Even though I know that you will all most likely attack me for this vote simply because I have a gut feeling, I feel it is the right thing to do.

Vote: Twito

I guess I just don't trust you.

However, if more information comes of on livingod being scum, then I am willing to switch.

I then found his vote on Amb suspicious because he didn't elaborate with a reason, he has done now so I no longer find him suspicious or am not going out of my way to get him lynched at any case.

I think there was a case against Chibo, his two posts contradict each other, not my problem he hasn't appeared to defend himself or offer an explanation, maybe his replacement can help shed some light.

If you took the time to look at who else I suspect, it's been Riverwind and Kaliedoscope mainly, both have been visible, yes Riverwind's a newbie but that doesn't mean some of his play hasn't been odd.

[theopor_COD]

Scot - Lowell's post is full of shit, he's trying to save Kaleidoscope.

[theopor_COD]

A brand new theopor wagon would be exciting however.

Bring it on.

[theopor_COD]

Lowell is scum that much is obvious.

[theopor_COD]

Some thoughts on everyone so far shoot me for em afterwards -

Cheesefan -

Pretty irrelevant posts to start with, then is ninth on to the Livingod wagon
[quote="Cheesefan"]Oh what the hell, its time i made a vote that made a difference.

Unvote, Vote:Livingod

[/quote]

Could easily be voting his scum leader here, shouldn't be ruled out. Then subsequently attacks Battle Mage for his so called defence of Livingod, as I've pointed out before I don't think scum would go out of their way to defend him, day one. Continues to attack BM, then jumps on to the wagon me with little hesistation - still attacking BM mind, also don't really like the way he's changed opinion on Twito and KC so much and happily joins another bandwagon in Scope.

[quote="Cheesefan"][quote="~N9V~"]OverTheUnder, if he isn't scum, then I can almost garuntee that you are lynched tommorow, but it is to late now *prays that livingod is scum*.[/quote]

Id be looking more at Kelly or Twito.[/quote]

[quote="Cheesefan"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="Twito"]I resently heard KC is an excellent scumhunter. As she hasn't found any scum in this game she is likely to be scum herself. (or him?)[/quote]Why don't you just admit that you are actually scum, together with yellow and bm?[/quote]

I dont see a case on KC or Twito.

I didnt like that post

KaleiÐoscøpe

[/quote]

Doesn't present any reasons however and jumps on another wagon.
Moving on as you can tell I find Cheese pretty scummy

Yellowbounder -

Relatively quiet, under the radar points out suspicions of Cheesefan, with him pushing the Battle Mage is scum argument, his only other real input is outlining Scope's posts and voting him.

Twito -

Posted a shedload could be doing it to confuse, instigated lynch on LG and now prominent in the wagon on Kaleidoscope, he's posted so much I need to do a fair whack of analysis on him, which I'll do later. Gut says town mind.

Frustian/Water Foul/IH -

Water Foul did very little mind he voted for LG, IH I guess is still re-reading, either way it would be nice to get some input from him.

Rand Althor -

Hasn't posted in a week, and again one pushing for the Battle Mage lynch. Can't really decipher much else from him didn't vote first day.

Shamrock/Panzerjagger -

Shamrock was silent, Panzer's been opposite. All I can say is his voting is erratic so far we've had Votes for Chibo, Riverwind, Twito, Lowell, OtH and Lowell again, he sure likes to change his mind, here for example -
[quote="Panzerjager"]Riverwind, Scotmany is

decidedly town

.[quote]

[quote="Panzerjager"]On scotmany, he is being a little more aggresive and it seems a little scummy and like he is blending so disregard my last statement on Lowell, although I don't like her logic on Theopor and I don't like 2 votes in 4 post.[/quote]

[quote="Panzerjager"]I'm not pushing scotmany to hard but I can see a case for him, I just can not see the case for Scope.[/quote]

He needs to make his mind up, I can't tell whether it's scum jumping around or a townie uncertain of anything. Still at least he's prominent

DoS -

Good reasoning for voting Livingod day one unlike some

[quote="DragonsofSummer"]

Unvote Vote: livingod

because he is jumping on a bandwagon that was started because of my supposed bandwagoning.
[/quote]

He also has a reason for joining my bandwagon, he's now voting Kaleidoscope. Not much else to discuss with him seems solid but could be playing a careful game.

Amb -

Late bandwagon vote on Livingod, earlier rivalry with Twito, not much in it I don't think, I also like his reasoning on the argument against Battle Mage and I agree with him that I'd find it strange if scum defended Livingod so resolutely, seems happy with his vote on Twito and is convinced of of him.

[quote="Amb"]I wouldnt bother arguing over Twito's sureness of DoS being scum. Im reasonably sure Twito is scum but can't get any traction on it. So hopefully he won't get traction on the things he is pushing as well.[/quote]

Then leaves his pursuit of Twito to go after Kaleidoscope

Phita/Lowell -

Phita posted once voted for DoS then vanished, Lowell then appears quickly votes on Scot and then he attacks me with the argument I'm walking on eggshells! maybe he could be so kind to point it out. I'd also like to see his reaction to Twito/Panzer's discussion. p.s Twito's post 149 pretty much sums up Phita.

Battle Mage -

Dear old Battle Mage, seems to have half the world against him. I don't think his defence of Livingod means he's scum, more that he's town looking for more valid reasons for voting, he does make the point against voting LG 3/4 times but I would just find it odd I guess if he's defending LG, however lynching him could reveal a few things. He's then been involved with the attack from Cheesefan/Scope/Riverwind ever since, votes for my wagon then attacks Cheese again and has continued to do so against Cheese, Scope and River.

Chibo/mole -

Chibo's posts suck, contrdict themselves one he doesn't want to join the wagon against LG, possibly an attempt to save him, then pipes up with wanting the game to move on against me, very scummy, so he doesn't want the game to move days previous with a mafia man on the hill, but does so against me. Now he's gone need to keep an eye on Mole, don't really like much about his vote either, Yellowbounder's vote makes sense to me.

OvertheUnder -

Hammers Livingod anything in it? Doesn't bring anything else to the first day so it could be he's scum hiding or just inactive he doesn't really fear hammering LG either. I think he really should have explained the hammer at the time, instead he's had a week or so since doing it and come up with the reasons

[quote="OverTheUnder"]If I was mafia (Which I'm not) I wouldn't of been the last one to jump onto the bandwagon, I was suspicious of him for 1. Gut instincts, and 2. Because he hopped on a bandwagon himself and then when the bandwagon was on him he started pointing fingers at the people on his bandwagon claiming them scum because they bandwagoned. This was pretty clear to me, so I went ahead and voted for me. If I need to clarify more, let me know.[/quote]

Still not sure on him, he votes on my bandwagon same reason as many, mind I was playing like a tool. Then has gone on to attack Amb and voting him for the bandwagon on Scope.

Kaleidoscope -

Scope is adamant LG is scum first day, doesn't even consider the chance he may not be, he does ask for a claim when LG is at -1, the only one to do so I may add, which doesn't come. He's then happy to be agressive against Battle Mage and although I'm not sure on Mage, I'm getting second thoughts about Scope being scum only pretty much because he was the biggest aggresor in LG's lynch, mind I do think some ppl on the wagon had some inside knowledge. He's then having it out with Twito and I'm not sure about whether he's scummy or not, still in for Mage's lynch aswell. I'm not sure he's responded pretty well to the wagon in my eyes

Scotmany -

Seems defensive to me. He avoids voting LG but alludes to voting him if more points are raised against him, I found that pretty odd, nearly got myself lynched for doing so. Votes Chibo wisely, then changes to Amb for his vote on Twito. Hasn't really offered much other than when he's been attacked.

Wartys Neron/KC -

Scares me. I'll form an opinion on her later when I've got more time.

Riverwind -

Crazy is the only word I can use for him, no lynch at start. Posts all sorts of random crap, I can't make out whether he's just foolish or a newbie scum. Canna make heads or tails out of him, he just confuses me, not a jester by any chance?

~n9v~ -

Day one gets on the LG wagon, then asks for a claim from me before hammering me. His current plan of attack is on OvertheUnder for hammering the Godfather still continues his attack on OtH. Not keen on his last post much either

[quote="~N9V~"]
So in my case, I think OverTheUnder hammered who he knew was the GodFather, so as to make it look like whoever was protecting him was scum.

But if thats not enough, I strongly beleive that he is scum, that if we lynch him and I am wrong, then you can lynch me the next day. Or if I'm right, I pray the doctor in this game will save me!
[/quote]

I see no reason why mafia would take out the guy who hammered, would imagine it would be a more experienced member usually ala SpectrumVoid. He's pretty sure on OtH mind.



Anyway that's just a quick assessment, need to look at Twito and KC, as such and after I've reviewed things, I think Scope is less scummy than others so

unvote

and because of the reasons outlined

vote cheesefan

.

[theopor_COD]

Okay well Cheesefan has offered a reasonable defence still suspect him, I'm pretty happy with a lynch of Lowell, I've already expressed my opinions on him.

unvote, vote Lowell

I'm going to watch the Champs League then I'll try and get my head round Twito and Kelly, however my gut say's there both town, mind they seem to be on a superior game playing ability to most of us so always pays to be wary.

[theopor_COD]

Still here will re-read the next batch of pages today with any luck.

[theopor_COD]

Unvote: OverTheUnder

heh, well that vote isn't going anywhere.

Vote: Lowell

Any reason other than a blatant hop?

[theopor_COD]

You're starting to tick me off. I vote-hopped because no one was close to lynch and I just joined the game. And, FTR, IH has me in his "pro-town" list because I'm pro-town. I don't think that fact should exonerate him, but it'll be worth noting down the road.

Your unwillingness to seriously consider another option is NOT good for the town. Critique my vote-hopping if you will, but at least I'm tyring to get people involved. You're either willingly or unwittingly allowing scum to hide a lot easier thanks to your crusade on me. Look around again, please.

Also, if you think ANYTHING I've done has "drawn attention from me" you're crazy. If anyhting I've gone out of my way to court that attention. Call that WIFOM and vote me if you want, but at least get your reasons straight.

Good reasoning. As such

unvote

. You seem to have cleared a few things up for me.

[theopor_COD]

I haven't got a clue where I am with this game so I need to have another re-read, although after a quick flick through it seems people seem to be getting scummier, ~n9v~ especially. I don't really see the need for Scot's attack on Amb either we've been over it before. Infact I actually view Amb to be pretty pro town and I also don't think Lowell's the right play today. Anyway if you want my opinion one of these should get the bullet ~n9v~, Riverwind, Cheesefan and maybe Battle Mage or Panzer. I'll post more when I get the chance and give reasons for those listed either the way wagons on Scope, Lowell and Amb in my eyes aren't conclusive enough to warrant a lynch.

[theopor_COD]

I'd be happy with a ~n9v~ wagon/lynch. Infact his posts alarm me the most. I do mind need to re-read the last 6/7 pages mind it pretty much looks like rubbish. Lowell, although I thought he acted scummy at first has brought up some decent reasons for his actions so I'm happier about him.

Anyway let's see if this goes anywhere

vote ~n9v~

[theopor_COD]

Also, just looking back,

theoper_COD: Hmm so you vote for me why? Because Kelly Chen says that I look scummy? Howabout the other epople on the list? And also, why are you happy to lynch me? Is it because in this game you like getting perfectly normal townies lynched?

I will respond to this by close of play today.

Please in the meantime point out a perfectly normal townie, because I haven't seen

one

yet.

[theopor_COD]

DoS pretty much sums up my feelings on ~n9v~ above.

Simply the sum of his relevant (exclude the random ones and the i'm here but not here ones) posts are -


* Bandwagon Vote on LG,

little or no valid reason

other than LG's bandwagon jump to DoS, could easily be doing this to appear town as scum, I've said before scum were on LG's wagon.
* Post 5 speculates that OtH is for the hammer tomorrow if LG is town, then

prays

LG is scum, possible inside knowledge?
* Next couple of posts are about OtH hammering and the fact he should have waited for a claim, agree with this, OtH should have done, but then again someone else could have unvoted.
* Next he asks for a claim from me, this despite me having already claimed like two posts above. Was at -2 aswell so his vote wouldn't have been a hammer, just seems overly eager in his 8th post
* His ninth post is pretty much the whole basis of his long winded and anal argument against OtH, basically OtH's hammer on the Godfather, hell I don't expect mafia to hammer their Godfather not within 8 pages, I'd expect them to wait and hope LG comes up with a decent claim and gets shot of a few votes.
* Post 11 - is same as 9
* Post 13 - Responds to a few accusations. Asks for

Doc protection

if OtH is scum!! Don't like that at all
* Post 14 from ~n9v~ quick bandwagon hop on to Lowell again with

no reason

just a well my vote on OtH isn't going anywhere.
* Post 15 gets attacked by Lowell after placing his vote on him. Say's Lowell was number 2 on his scum list but hadn't made any prior reference to this either in his vote or to Phiba, Lowell's predecessor in the game. Funny he wanted to hammer me some 5 posts ago and I'm not even number 2!
* Post 17 - second on radar, well you didn't point that out at the time, it looks like you've slipped up to me.
* Next batch of posts are all I'm a newbie, I look like scum in every game either if I'm town or not.
* Post 21 calls out B Mage after a joke from BM. Again doesn't make a reason mind.
* Post 22 claims he had a reason for his vote on Lowell. At the time his vote was just a I'll help the town and jump on the biggest bandwagon ala Lowell didn't offer a reason
* Post 24 - asks me again why I think he's scum and then adds why do I like getting perfectly normal townies lynched - well this rings alarm bells for me, so far I've voted Scotmany, Battle Mage, Chibo, KScope, Cheesefan, Lowell and ~n9v~, does this mean all 7 are perfectly normal townies and do you ~n9v~ clear all of em, heck your even voting Lowell!

Last but not least I really need to look at everyone in the game, because I'm being a little bit blinded to ~n9v~, but with a deadline I'd prefer him lynched to either Amb or Lowell.

[theopor_COD]

Owell, since I'm probably dead, I might as well claim. I'm just a regular townie. Guys, read back on all the games I'm in, I always look like scum. But anyways, when and if I die, look at who put the first vote on me, OTU, and who put me at -1 lynch...

We need ten for a lynch not six!

[theopor_COD]

I have to take most of the stuff Jalyn has posted with a pinch of salt as she's replaced Chibo who i felt acted scummily and Mole who was invisible. However a new perspective on things is nice, still wary of her mind because of Chibo.

Anyway ~n9v~ is either scum or a scummy townie, I'd lean more to a scummy newbie townie.

We will probably learn more from lynching Lowell, yeh I know it's bandwagon hop . . . so what . . . if Lowell turns up town we get some important info i.e those pushing his lynch, if he turns up scum well then IH, OTU both look very bad and to an extent KC. So on the basis that more will be learnt from lynching Lowell, than ~n9v~ who pretty much everyone thinks is acting scummily,

unvote, vote lowell

Let's get it on.

[theopor_COD]

I'd like to point out I don't like the way IH and KC have planted seeds in the minds of a Vig either, trying to direct him/her - both experienced players, let the Vig if there is one make up their own mind. Vote stays, the way ~n9v~ plays I wouldn't protect him for love or money, Lowell's last post reeks of desperation to me.

[theopor_COD]

And why wouldn't you be scum, eh? You seem to have convinced a lot of ppl that your townie, I'm not convinced, mind I'd have to re-read it all to get a better opinion and being as we're one day away from a deadline I'd be happier lynching Lowell or ~n9v~. Although it's noticable that Amb has gone silent.

Also I don't think anyone should be directing the vig unless they have hard solid evidence of which you have none! Your last post to me indicates experienced players have a right to direct a vig, well those experienced players have as much chance of being scum as town, let the vig make his own mind up, especially being as it's only day 2.

[theopor_COD]

So, your theory is that Kelly and IH are protecting me because we're all scum? Does that sound right? And when I'm revealed town... then what happens? You

absolve

them for knowing I was town ahead of time? Does

THAT

sound right?

If you come up town I have no reason to suspect them. They were right I was wrong, simple as that.

That's crap aswell, scum are just as likely to defend a townie as they are a scum, more so even. No one should be free of suspicion.

[theopor_COD]

That's better

[theopor_COD]

Your absolutely certain Lowell's town then?

As for who I think is town well not many . . . Twito I like but he hasn't posted anything of substance for a fortnight at least erm that's it. Panzer aswell I feel is acting more townie than scum. I think pretty much a whole host of ppl have arguments for and against them me included because I've played like as scummy as others. We got a day anyway convince me why I'd be better off getting rid of ~n9v~ than Lowell or even Amb who as I say has faded away since he posted last, lurking at deadline isn't a particularly helpful strategy.

[theopor_COD]

Two things.

One Kscope's vote was scummy but it wouldn't have affected the lynch either way as he has pointed out, Lowell still wouldn't have had a majority.

Two If he's scum it's a pretty stupid move to kill Lowell thus drawing this kind of attention on himself.

Now I'm not clearing him, but this wagon seems to have developed without much thought. I don't think we should clear ~n9v~ either.

[theopor_COD]

because everyone else is

Eh.

You replace into a game, I hope having read some of it and then your reason for voting is just because everyone else is!!

Maybe offer some thoughts on the game so far please.

[theopor_COD]

because everyone else is

FoS:The hell out of you for this.

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place but this a bit of pot calling the kettle black. Yeh Kard's vote is scummy but not much more than yours. Whatever Scope voted it would be a no lynch at that time.

Forgot to Vote: K-Scope no reason for going for a no lynch.

And then you want an alternative wagon setup aswell, why not bring up some targets of your own.

Agreed please don't hammer K-Scope. I'd also like to hear other targets for the lynch today.

[theopor_COD]

Rand - not a good one, it would have been no lynch whatever.

Kard - are you for real?

[theopor_COD]

River - we needed to reach the majority I think. If Scope voted for Lowell it still wouldn't have been a majority

Erm what are we going to do about Kard? Is he any help alive.

[theopor_COD]

Rand - I tend to think scum have stitched Scope up more than him being scum. They've noted that Scope switched sides at the death, it wouldn't have affected the lynch tho . . . then scum have killed Lowell off and hoped to apply pressure to him and I'd expect em to do likewise to those on the Lowell wagon yesterday as he came up town. Now Scope could still be scum, but why the heck kill Lowell!!

Therefore to summarise I don't really like a few of the early votes on this wagon seems they're trying to set ppl up for an easy lynch, me included due to my wishy washy voting re - lowell yesterday. And I don't like the last few votes on the Scope wagon because they appear to be easy wagon votes, mind like Kardkraizee you can't tell if their newbies or scum.

Anyway -

Vote Twito

as I see him as the main mover in setting up Scope.

[theopor_COD]

Well you switched to a pointless vote.

Why don't you bring up some theories other than just pursuing BM, even if BM's scum he isn't the only one.

[theopor_COD]

Cheesefan is now Kardkraizee so that rules that one out.

[theopor_COD]

kard - you mafia? playing us for fools posting that PM.

now a ranger - you playing? No don't think so, so leave.

[theopor_COD]

sorry for disturbing. I think I lost my temper and acted very rashly. Please excuse my bad behavior. It won't happen again.

No probs just a confusing hour or so.

[theopor_COD]

I'm guessing now a ranger is a kardkraizee alt, since I'm pretty sure now a ranger has done similar crap.

Search is disabled atm so I can't grab evidence for this.

Ah so now a ranger is also kardkraizee? Or was should I say.

Is that allowed having two usernames?

[theopor_COD]

I'm with ~n9v~ he acts scummy but he's town I reckon, and being as we've lost one townie today through Kard's stupiditiy and one last night in Lowell we need to avoid the easy scummy newbie lynch.

[theopor_COD]

I will respond to Kelly's post later today. All I ask is view the way I've played this day from a town or scum viewpoint, seems KC is just viewing me from the scum side of things . . . I first posted when Scope was on -2 from lynch, just seemed overly quick. I'll respond in depth later and as for kardkraizee, if I was scum there's no way on earth I'd be defending him, I'd be bussing the guy and I'd probably be bussing Scope if I was scum aswell, why divert the wagon.

[theopor_COD]

Maybe it was the mafia, and they killed lowell knowing that scope might possibly be the prime suspect. They could be setting him up.

How would killing someone and revealing them to be town frame the person that didn't hammer (when he bloody well couldn't) them?

Well Scope somehow got to seven votes straight off the bat, explain that?

And KC I don't expect ppl to exonerate me, just as I wouldn't expect them to be convinced that your acting in their best interests. Your obviously town right ;o)

I will respond to that other post tonight after I've re-read all of this day so far.

[theopor_COD]

am i missing something?
I didnt think he had more than a few votes so far. Pushing for a very premature claim?

I've already claimed like 30 pages ago.

[theopor_COD]

Man it wasn't a slip a joke more so, I couldn't believe the guy claimed that's all.

This game is seriously depressing me.

Look I viewed the Scope wagon heavily suspicious, seven votes with most ppl not even bothering too discuss the fact Scope may be town, may be scum. Kardkraizee's come along as a replacement seemingly not viewed the thread, claimed for some stupid fecking reason and I'm just sitting wondering why, the playing us for fools is a joke, nothing else, ok I probably shouldn't have posted it but the guy had riled me.

[theopor_COD]

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

So you have. Well, can you explain your apparent skepticism at kardkraizee's quoted role PM?

Battle Mage makes me sad.

Joke more than anything as I've said.

I'm dissapointed the guy replaced in nothing more, nothing less. I've replaced into a couple of games at 20+ pages and to not read anything and then claim just sucks. Infact I think everyone was pissed off about it but I probably took the piss trying to read more of it and think the guy may have been playing some kind of clever mind game.

[theopor_COD]

Okay let's roll.

I've re-read mainly from the top of p.34 - a few posts before the no lynch. I could have gone back miles before this but this area of the game was the relevant part to the Scope wagon.

826 KC presses against a Lowell lynch, maybe some insider knowledge. Prefers a ~n9v~ today and one on me tomorrow, which she is avidly pushing.

827 - riverwind as usual posts nothing of content

829 - Amb votes Lowell

830 - BM votes Lowell - both these votes seem genuine to me

831 - IH votes ~n9v~, again not pushing the larger bandwagon by 4 on Lowell - Lowell is at this stage at -2 lynch, an IH vote for him could conceivably get a lynch pre deadline, possible insider knowledge, by this I mean KC and IH both know for sure that Lowell was town. He's pushing for an Amb lynch, again I can't see it, I haven't viewed Amb as scum all game so not sure what his beef is here. IH and KC have both vigoursouly chased the Vig to take down ppl aswell, scummy move in my eyes.

FOS IH and KC

832 - Scotmany avoids moving vote to Lowell again could be seen as averting a Lowell lynch possibly to look good, keeps his vote on Amb. Scot has already distanced himself from Livingod this game, to me he seems to know too much of ppl's alignment.

FOS Scotmany12

. He also prefers not to lynch Lowell as if he knows Lowell will turn up town.

833 - Jalyn seems genuine, Scot then attacks her for it, whilst the previous post he didn't make any difference to the wagons, seems contradictory to me.

836 - Scope unvotes BM, throws pointless vote on ~n9v~ prior to deadline. This vote wouldn't have affected the lynch, which seems to be the main basis for the seven votes thereafter, however when I first viewed the thread I tended to miss Scope's insistence that against a Lowell lynch, thus again meaning a possible insider information tell.

FOS Scope

837 - Twito calls Scope out for stopping a lynch, my first reaction to this was bollocks as it wouldn't have been a lynch whatever, the previous voters IH and Scot are also applicable here, but Twito seems insistent on painting Scope as scum.

840 - Lowell dead

841 - Twito back on the attack, votes Scope straight away, my thinking here is why on earth would Scope if he's scum have Lowell killed just after pretty much revealing he thought he was town. I can't see Scope or a scum group killing Lowell basically, maybe that's my poor logic and someone else can help.

842 - KC votes Scope no reason. Seems an easy vote she doesn't note that Scope's vote would have led to a lynch then in 847 she elaborates a little more, without this being revealed I assume it's the fact that Scope preferred the no lynch to Lowell lynch. Forgive me if i'm wrong here.

848 - al sees it

849 - DoS as far as I can tell doesn't see it, but votes Scope anyway, his vote is pretty contradictory aswell with the "I don't see why scum have killed Lowell" - Infact don't like this vote out of the wagon the most so another

FOS DoS

IH/Scot don't see the Scope slip, Scot continues to vote Amb he sure has a beef with him.

852 - Twito makes reference to maybe a Vig killing Lowell, this I could possibly understand but it's interesting to note, no-one else comments on it. Scot implies it's the mafia trying to set up Scope which was my first thought when I viewed the thread, since I've re-read it I'm not so sure. Twito then attacks Scot for it, I can't see Scot/Scope same team.

855 - Panzer's vote is somewhat scummy again using the no lynch as an argument for a Scope vote, no one brings up the possible insider info on Lowell's death as a possible theory.

856 - al gets his facts wrong and basically this seems to be the so called tell against the Scope vote. IH then agrees.

858 - RA brings up another theory for Lowell's death, scum trying to discredit those on his lynch, it seems a reasonable argument to me. Mind he then lets himself down by taking the easy Scope vote but then doesn't want anyone to hammer. This to me is a I want to vote, but not look scummy for doing so vote, so yet again a vote I don't like.

863 - Scope pipes up, firstly didn't realise we needed a majority, seems genuine, thing is even if Scope votes Lowell it's no lynch. Not overly keen on his second reason that he didn't like a Lowell lynch period this again tells me he knew something solid about Lowell pre-lynch.

864 BM flies at Scope for his idioticy, well others could have pushed the lynch as I've outlined and it wouldn't have led to a lynch whatever. I will however exonerant BM's vote slightly as he was pushing against Scope the previous day

867 - Kard votes Scope. Now he's -2.

870 - Is the first time I've read the thread since night has ended and frankly I'm amazed someone is at -2 in needing nine, especially when he wasn't a massive suspect the previous day. My first reaction is to think why? And I look at the thread and whatever way Scope votes then it doesn't affect a lynch, so the majority of ppl on the lynch are basically voting for false reasons. The second reason is that I still can't comprehend Scope if he's scum killing Lowell, this would bring attention to him for his obvious strong support of Lowell. I find it much more likely someone has killed Lowell and then looked to frame someone for his death, looks like they chose Scope.

Bit of chat around Kard's vote, he then replies in 873 because everyone else is, now I'm thinking what the fuck, has this guy not read any of the previous 35 pages before replacing in, yeh i'm pretty pissed of about it. RA FOS's kard for doing so, which seems slightly scummy to me, because he's pretty much doing likewise and although KC argues he has a reason in her long post, the reason as I've pointed out is flawed.

878 - Kard tells us his PM. I'm thinking why do I bother playing this game with clowns like this, one FOS and he does that, the main reason is that it gives scum more information by knowing Kard doesn't have a power role. Few posts of amazement. My post 882 is still amazement, fact is I can't believe one a player has done this after one FOS and even two the Moderator has replaced us with this guy, yeh sorry CDB for pointing it out but the episode soured the game.

883 - River seems eager to board the Scope wagon which is still at -2. Votes ~n9v~ seems the easy alternative to me. 884 I'm still shocked by Kard and dissapointed, more wondering here if he'll get modkilled which he does eventually.

885 - RA unvotes Scope after realising his vote was based on a mistake, see easy wagon vote, didn't think before he voted.

886 - Scope seems to have continued insider knowledge

887 - I'm still thinking scum have set Scope up.

891 - DoS another to unvote Scope, again with little persuasion, again in my eyes a vote first off without thinking. Again moves his vote ~n9v~ it's old ground, can't we for once look at other possibilities.

893 - KC another to unvote Scope, votes ~n9v~ doesn't make any other comment. Is it because the flaw in your plan has failed?

896 - I'm commenting on Scope's theory that Cheesefan is scum, add that Kard is now Cheesefan and has quoted his PM, so guess Cheese isn't scum, fact that Scope doesn't realise Cheese has been replaced is worrying.

901 - This post is after some interaction between Now a Ranger and Kard, now I was unaware they were alts and the same one, so i'm pretty much even more peeved that Now a Ranger has posted in a game, he's not playing, the Kard are you mafia thing is a jokey throwaway comment, yeh I can see it being taken in the wrong context but ppl have taken it to mean too much KC especially. I don't know how many games Kard has played so although he strikes you as a newbie idiot, I'm just keeping an open mind with the little comment. In hindsight I shouldn't have said it.

903 - Kard modkilled.

Some discussion between me and KC - re alts and Now a Ranger.

910 - Back to reality, Panzer unvotes again his vote was based on a flawed argument.

911 - OtU votes ~n9v~ and again seems like the easiest place to sling his hat, doesn't offer any other opinion.

Like Amb's two posts seems he's looking at the broader picture.

915 - My post is not a defence of ~n9v~ it's more a look at the people who seem to be using him as an easy place to leave their vote. Which by reckoning is DoS, OtU, KC.

921 - Panzer votes Scot doesn't give a reason

922 - KC decides another attack on Theo is in order, so here goes my response to the parts I've not already covered. I'd also add view her previous posts today, they've been of absolute no help at all.

KC first states she would refuse to vote Lowell even at the expense off a no lynch, why may I add, surely a lynch would give us more info than a no lynch?

Then attacks Panzer for his so called lack of vote on Lowell. And also argues that it's not neccessary for people to come up with any bullshit reasons for voting for Scope. The thing to remember the main argument against the Scope wagon was flawed, his lack of vote for Lowell wouldn't have made one iota of difference, therefore I think we should be looking at the people on the Scope wagon. Christ there was seven ppl on it your not telling me all were lynch hungry townies.

Concludes that I'm not scum with Scope. Well your right there because I'm not scum with anyone, not you anyway eh Kelly. Say's she doesn't understand point two well simply I can't understand if Scope's scum that they'd decide to kill Lowell why is that difficult to understand.

Say's that Scot,

RA

and OtU get

town points

. Kelly please point these out because so far this page I can't see much from em. OtU has done nothing aside from attack Kard and vote ~n9v~. RA has hopped on the Scope wagon and then jumped off when it was pointed out that Scope's vote was irrelevant. Scot just doesn't appear to be helping with his continued vendetta against Amb. So please point out there town points for me will you.

The next line say's I'm throwing needless dirt at my

scumbuddy Rand

this despite the previous line saying Rand got town points, make your mind up!!

Accuses me of a natural defence of Scope, not at all what I'm doing is trying to figure out why Scope has seven votes before many ppl have posted, not a defence more that I'm looking for reasons and keeping an open mind unlike a lot of people.

Attacks me for attacking Kard, which seems to be her main reason for wanting me lynched now. As I say Kard pissed the hell out of me, I wasn't sure he was getting modkilled and the post she's extracted was one where it looks scummy but I typed before thinking and yeh I did want him dead, posting your PM when you have no votes is of no help to the town.

Accuses my whole argument of being total bullshit, thing is no one else has even bothered to look for an alternative argument to the Scope must scum, everyone's so damn happy to just go along with it, Kelly included. I voted Twito because he kicked off the attack on Scope, in hindsight he probably isn't the best vote, i'm wary of him but

unvote

I also ain't keen on his vig comment, which again no one else commented on, why not?

There's some more points she raises but it still the same, just trying to accuse me of basically trying to look for alternative lynches. Hell I don't if Scope's scummy, I just don't like the way he got 7 votes before I posted anything that seemed more scummy to me, the Kard thing was a sideshow and one which I should have ignored because it pissed the hell out of me.

927 - IH follows KC's post

I think there's a few other things I've missed but I can't be arsed to go over it all again. I like Amb's post 938, infact I'd like everyone to do similar. Jalyn can you explain your 2+2 vote for me, I can't understand what our getting at and River please post some content instead of the 937 which is totally irrelevant.

As for a vote well I'd prefer that everyone takes a look at Kelly so far this game, instead of viewing her so pro-town which seems to be the general consensus, yeh there's a bit of OMGUS in that but she seems to be overly picking me on. What for finding a wagon on Scope suspicious and then finding a replacement a complete retard and waste of time. If everyone could post an opinion on KC that would be nice, if your all in agreement with her then fine she's a good player, I like her, just think she may well be scum herself.

Sorry for the giant post needed to explain myself and air some views oh and I'd agree with Amb on Scotmany he seems to know too much for my liking. Scope also isn't cleared by any means.

[theopor_COD]

Is that four people in a row able to believe theopor_COD was on a joking spree?

"Kard - are you for real?"

"Erm what are we going to do about Kard? Is he any help alive."

"mind like Kardkraizee you can't tell if their newbies or scum."

"kard - you mafia? playing us for fools posting that PM."

Definitely committing Amb and Panzerjager's posts here to memory. I get a "yeah he's scummy, def vote him maybe, but-- hey look over there!" potential from both.

Panzerjager, can you clarify why scum Theo would suggest scum Kaleidoscope (or vice versa) and why Kaleidoscope's actions are more damning than theopor_COD's?

Amb, why do you have to wait for a general consensus to decide whether theopor_COD "made a joke"?

I will take a special look at Amb's thoughts on scotmany however.

Just a quick review of this post, again KC continues her attack on me.

The attacks at Kard can be gleaned from more than just my posts -

The first one is amazement that he posted his PM, not a joke, Scotmany said fucks sake or words to that extent same kind of amazement. RA also expressed shock, that's what that first post is amazement.

Second one is still pretty much amazement, no votes yet the guy posts his PM, i'm thinking how the hell is this helping the town. Answer it's not scum now know Kard isn't a cop, doc, vig etc. So yeh he's no frigging help, plus I wasn't sure if mod would kill him.

Third is a slip of the tongue I guess, there seems to be a fair few newbies in this game, like me, and I can't tell if they are new or scum. For instance River, ~n9v~, Scot, Panzer, BM, DoS all are new of some kind and I can't get a read on newbie town or scum on em.

Fourth is a throwaway joke remark, mainly because of the interaction between Now a Ranger and Kard, I'd become pretty fed up with it and should have stayed quiet but hell I don't what sort of idiot this guy was, yes he's prob 99% a fool but the joke that he may be scum is a joke that's all.

[theopor_COD]

I will respond to some of Kelly's questions and answers in time.

In the meantime I do want other people to comment.

[theopor_COD]

K-scope has watched Theo's back and Theo has watched Scope's back and I believe that one or both are scum and Theo's is condemning but I believe K-scope has been condemned for previous actions but ignored. I belive his lynch is long over do and Theo could be be lynched or NKed. Don't get me wrong, I will support a theo wagon, but I prefer a scope wagon.

Have you read any of my argument or post above. I still find Scope scummy, what I find more scummy was the seven votes for him straight away, one was yours.

Explain your vote for Scotmany aswell if you're convinced me or Scope are scum.

[theopor_COD]

Plus Panzer I don't recall anywhere Scope watching my back. As for me watching his it's more a case of working out why 7 people are so eager for his lynch before he even speaks.

[theopor_COD]

My vote on scotmany was because of an exetremely scummy string of post and I wouldn't really mind stringing him up either to me your all scum.

So we're all definate scum and the seven that voted straight away for Scope based on him not voting for a lynch are all town, do I read that right?

If so Panzer you ought to get a medal for your detective skills, I really ought to take a closer look at your posts as I did have you erring towards town, maybe I'm wrong.

[theopor_COD]

Also that early immediate wagon on Scope may not look scummy to you, but he was at -2, before he'd posted and quite a few others had voted.

What would you be saying if for instance two other people failed to pay any attention and Scope was lynched before he had a chance claim or the majority of the town discussed anything.

[theopor_COD]

I'm going to do some analysis on Panzer's suspicions when I get the chance, maybe BM you should select all posts by Panzer and read some of em. The man jumps around more than a cat on hot coals.

Seperately anyone got any views on Kelly, or are people just afraid of even finding her remotely suspicious?

Lastly I'm also eagerly awaiting a useful post from Riverwind and Scotmany's post which backs up his insistence on Amb being scum.

[theopor_COD]

I'd say that our

last scum

is Panzer, Theo and Amb.

Only 3 IH?

[theopor_COD]

Funny how some people have different opinions.

EBWOP:

FoS BM and Riverwind

And I'm assuming there are about

6 or 7 scums left

and 11 or 12 townies in my example in the first paragraph. For further understanding I'm thinking there are 3 or 4 power roles amung the town.

[theopor_COD]

I believe you did, mind Panzer rarely talks sense.

[theopor_COD]

Oh, and this conversation is slightly pointless.

FoS:Theo

Disagree. It's helped me remember something pretty crucial which I've been ignoring in my scum/town thoughts.

Anyway i've had a nice big re-read and a look at all the major wagons.

As such

Vote Rand Althor

FOS Scotmany12, Battle Mage, Jalyn, Panzer

I'm confident two scum are in this group of five. I'm voting Rand because after reading his posts so far this game I'm most convinced of him, I have a nice argument weighing my case in the making, I'll produce it when I get more time.

[theopor_COD]

Okay to summarise where my thoughts are at present and to outline my current vote at present.


I decided to have a look back at all the relevant big wagons so far this game, they're here for those too lazy to find themselves.

Livingod- 11 (Amb, Twito, DragonsofSummer, Kelly Chen, water_foul, ~N9V~, KaleiÐoscøpe, Riverwind23, Cheesefan, spectrumvoid, OverTheUnder)

theopor_COD- 8 (Kelly Chen, Twito, DragonsofSummer, scotmany12, Chibo, KaleiÐoscøpe, Cheesefan, OverTheUnder)

KaleiÐoscøpe- 5 (Twito, yellowbounder, Amb, theopor_COD, DragonsofSummer)

Lowell- 7 (Twito, Rand Althor, panzerjager, ~N9V~, Amb, Cheesefan, DragonsofSummer)

Lowell- 8 (Twito, ~N9V~, Cheesefan, Jalyn, theopor_COD, Amb, Rand Althor, Battle Mage)

KaleiÐoscøpe- 7 (Twito, Kelly Chen, DragonsofSummer, panzerjager, Rand Althor, Battle Mage, kardkraizee)

I also decided to do a few PBPA's on the people I found overly scummy and one on Twito. PBPA's done on Rand, DoS, River, Jalyn, Scot, Panzer, BM and all replacements etc. I'll keep these to myself for now as I think everyone should at some stage form their own opinions, I'll will though post some thoughts on individual's play aside from wagons/voting and explain why I think Rand is the worst of the bunch, mind I'd actually be happy with a Jalyn lynch aswell. If I was going to place players into groups it would read

Scum - Rand, Jalyn

More Scum than Town - Al ko, Scotmany, Riverwind

Indifferent - Panzer, DoS, BM, OTU, ~n9v~

More Town than Scum - Amb, IH

Town - Twito, Kelly, Scope, Theo


Moving on, one thing jumped out at me straight away, something that I'll admit to have ignored pretty much since it happened. Mainly due to the speed of Day One, I reckoned scum pushed the lynch. However one thing has since turned on a light in my head, thanks to the power role chat in part. Namely that Livingod was a Godfather, not a normal mafia goon. Now I'm thinking no way in hell would scum bus their Godfather, if Livingod was a goon then I could see it happening, hell yeah, but the Godfather is so much more powerful I can't imagine the scum doing such. Therefore the main pushers on the LG wagon - Kelly Chen, Twito and Scope I'm viewing as all pro-town, if they've bussed their Godfather out of the gate then more power to them, this doesn't mean they're deffo not scum, just that I think they'd be incredibly ballsy if they were. Twito and Kelly have both been pretty actively scum hunting since, even if Kelly's wrong about one of her suspects. Scope not so much but I still think he's actually town.

Looking at the others on the wagon - Amb, WaterFoul (IH), ~n9v~ all seem to looking for an easy reason to join the wagon, but again I'd be surprised if they joined it knowing LG was Godfather. OtU's hammer is a vote on it that I'm slightly concerned about as he may have decided that it would be in his best interests to give it up, he'd not really expressed an opinion before, so yeh in this case I can see scum hammering the Godfather. The other late voters Cheesefan and SV both turned town, the early voters DoS and River I'm not convinced about, both could easily be scum joining a wagon, well knowing they could hop off at a later date, fact that neither post anything of substance after the wagon builds is interesting.

Those not on the wagon - Shamrock (Panzer) - Fails to post anything of note. Rand - Posts he's going to have teeth removed, nothing else. Phita (Lowell) - Avoids it, but is Town as we know. Chibo (Jalyn) - Actively avoids voting LG, his first post is when LG is at -2. He contradicts himself in two fail swoops, one arguing that we shouldn't vote anyone for silly reasons for the sake of speeding the game up. His next post is the complete opposite votes me mainly on the basis of wanting to speed the game up. BM - I can see as town/scum here, he is actually along with Scot looking to defend LG in some quarters, more looking for a reason why the votes are on LG, I got the vibe he didn't know LG's alignment, hence he may be, like I'd be unsure and I'm not happy to hammer someone after only 8 pages regardless of scum vibes. Scotmany - Same reasons as BM. Yellow (al ko) - Doesn't join wagon and hardly posts.

Moving on to the other wagons, being as we don't know any more scum alignments hard to guage as much but there are quite a few people happy to jump about placing easy votes, by that it looks to be pure bandwaggoning these include Rand, DoS, Panzer, all three also on the Scope wagon this day without thinking bout they're votes too much, coincidentally all have now removed that vote.

Now I could continue to warble on about wagons, but I won't, what I will do is post a few thoughts on Rand and Jalyn my main scum suspects. Al ko, Scot and River all have failed to post any real content and as such I'm leaning towards them being scum. River's posts for instances are a total waste of time reading. Scot is insistent on Amb being scum with a pretty weak argument aswell. Al Ko just seems to be pretty unhelpful.

Chibo, Mole, Jalyn - Chibo is my main reason for finding Jalyn suspicious, basically he was scum stand out Day One. Avoided the LG wagon reasons explained didn't want to vote for any old reason and that the game need not speed up. His next post is actively the opposite as I pointed out, it's a blatant bandwagon. Mole replaces and posts jack all, first post is irrelevant, second vote is a vote on some-one who's lurking, third is likewise. That's the sum total of Mole. Jalyn then enters and is at least more active so good points there - mind this game started 28 Jan, Jalyn's first post is 13 March, so whatever her alignment I'd expect something from her.
Her main contribution Day Two was to fire up the Lowell wagon again after it had died down a fair amount. Mainly using an argument that IH and OTU had pushed wagons on ~n9v~ and Amb to derail the Lowell wagon. States she's prefer an OTU wagon but isn't content to move from the high wagon in time for deadline. Day three so far no content, seems to be flying under the radar bit of a bandwagon vote on me and she still hasn't responded to my question for her vote.

Rand - Day One no content. Day two - FOS on BM. His fifth post mainly his vote on BM I don't like, gives me the vibe he wants to join the Theo wagon but is setting up another. Couple of irrelevant posts. Votes Lowell seems like a nice wagon to push. Asks a few ppl for opinions not inherently scummy that mind this to Scope and OTU. Calls Lowell, Amb and ~n9v~ his scum trio doesn't seem to focus on anyone else, he was aggressive to BM before. Calls a post from Amb scummy, doesn't explain why. His 15th post is a good one, a rarity. Back to attacking BM. Still pushes the Lowell lynch, some interaction with Al ko (possible scum buddies). Brings up his suspicious trio again doesn't really go into any new details on why they should be lynched. Blatant hop onto ~n9v~ near deadline and then calls out Lowell for doing likewise!!!. Giving him good reason to hop back to Lowell wagon. Comments that we'd learn more from lynching Lowell, at the time I'd agreed, however good old Rand hasn't explained much since then has he. Gets asked by KC to comment on me and al ko, posts some lurking link with al ko, ignores me. First post day three - seems to be defending his previous day's actions and that scum have setup people for killing Lowell. Blatant hop on to Scope, next post pleads with people not to hammer Scope. WTF. Talk about voting someone for no real reason. Some slight inkling of a Kard wagon, goes back to finding ~n9v~ scummy, looks the easy vote to me.

Appreciate this post is longer than I planned. Anyway I actually think Rand and Jalyn are both scum artists, we should lynch one today.

[theopor_COD]

Your defence of Rand/Jalyn is noted for later on.

If you didn't unvote Scope I'm mistaken thought you did, fact that you find everyone suspicious rings alarm bells for me. I'd agree Scope is the weakest of the Livingod pushers mainly cos his play since has sucked - but I can't imagine him bussing his Godfather so blatantly.

[theopor_COD]

You don't but having read through your posts you can't seem to make your mind up on anyone. I reviewed your day 2 posts and it just seems your throwing votes here, there and everywhere.

Oh and having re-read your posts you did actually unvote Scope, yes your now back on him, but that wasn't the basis of my argument. It was that you, Rand and DoS all jumped on to the Scope wagon, then jumped off when you realised that he wouldn't have affected the lynch anyway. So you claiming I'm planting false information is inaccurate, not the other way around.

I screwed up my vote in my second to last post. I posted "

Unvote:Lowell

" and I meant to Unvote and vote Lowell. Still there is no excuse for Kaleidoscope to push for the no lynch.

Vote:Kaleidoscope

Well, that was stupid and pisses me off. I will withdraw from explanation at the moment. Thank you CDB for modkill though. Very appreciated. I understand COD, agruement and my vote was based on me thinking he could have lynched if my vote had counted. I will

Unvote

. I also agree that we should keep eyes on Twito if he ever comes back with good internet.

Vote:Scotmany

[theopor_COD]

EBWOP:

Panzer - You were on Scope, unvoted, voted Scot, voted Scope and are now actually voting me.

Anyhow I actually am pretty indifferent to you, you've acted pretty defensively to my post mind. What do you think of Rand and Jalyn?

[theopor_COD]

Twito, you think Scope would be that aggressive day one towards his Godfather?

[theopor_COD]

Here's Scope's posts day one re- Livingod. Seems pretty agrressive to me, mind he could have had insider info on LG, hence the stubborness.

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Livingod clearly needs to die. He posted after DoS made the semi-scummy post without saying anything about it, then after Sham notices he votes along.

SCUM

SCUM = VOTE

UNVOTE VOTE: livingod

[/quote]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I'm not buying it. Vote stays[/quote]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote]Makes me suspect that Livingod's waggon is in fact scum-filled.[/quote]pfff... you're just trying to save him by saying this, hoping people will hop off.

Vote stays. We should hammer him.[/quote]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Livingod should claim.

[quote]what would i have to gain by that?
Im supposed to be trying to find out the Mafia here, and if ur gonna convince me to vote Livingod, ur gonna have to work alot harder.
After all-just because hes getting wagonned, doesnt mean he is Mafia.[/quote]Well, if we are gonna lynch livingod we will gain info because of this. Your comment was irrilevant unless you are scum, which is why I definitly want to lynch livingod now, after he claimed. There is no specific reason not to lynch livingod.[/quote]


Maybe I'm reading too much into the fact LG was the Godfather.

[theopor_COD]

Notice who I have jumped around on. All people that I feel are scum. Scope, scot, and you so I don't feel that jumping around between three people that I think is are scum is scummy.

This opinion of you came from Day 2. As I say your voting patterns were akin to a cat on hot coals.

On Rand, I think there is a possibilty but he rarely is all that original in his games so I don't think it's all scummy but there is a possibility.

On Jalyn, I share a lot of views with her so I don't feel she has don anything scummy. I believe she is more town then scum. Chibo is the only scummy thing but I have dropped that do to her lack of scumminess.

Rand - I've viewed a few other games with him in, this one he seems to be flying under the radar more I guess. I don't see him as overly helpful. Votes have been wagon happy.

Jalyn - Hasn't done anything scummy as such, because she hasn't done anything, aside from restart the flagging Lowell wagon. Panzer what views do you share with her? as I haven't seen her express many. Chibo was Scumeister Day One, Mole was completely useless. Jalyn again has done little more, I'd like her to raise some more opinions, give a scum/town list or so.

[theopor_COD]

Until I can reread this thread, I'll simply note that my vote for theoper_COD is not a bandwagon vote but is based on what I consider compelling evidence first identified by Kelly. (ie: Claiming vanilla townie and then not recognizing the vanilla townie PM when it is posted into the thread. Yes, I understand that theoper_COD claims that this was a joke. I don't buy it. I don't think that someone that knew exactly what the PM said would have reacted the way he did.)

So, reread coming when I have time.

I recognised it just didn't believe the guy posted it, then when he started a chat with Now A Ranger, I stupidly thought the guy was smarter than he actually was, you are looking for an easy place to sling your vote.

What do you make of Chibo and Mole's contributions being as you replaced em.

[theopor_COD]

The "not recognizing it and now recognizing it" thing is now more suspicious to me now that you claimed to be joking and now claimed disbelief. Disbelief and joking are two different reactions. You are scum that has slipped up. The main reason I find you scummy is your analysis that is far to out there to be written by someone of the town and looks like you are just throwing rocks and waiting for one to hit something that will be bandwagon worthy.

Panzer where did I say that I never recognised it?
I don't see how difficult it is too see that I was in disbelief that Kard posted it, I was shocked he did, am I the only one? No. Yes I made a throwaway jokey remark after some interaction between Kard and Now a Ranger and I admit that was foolish on my part, but I never once didn't recognise the PM. The joke was more that I actually thought Kard was a better player than he obviously was.

As for throwing rocks, I notice you didn't take any notice of me correcting your earlier accusation. The one where I accused you of voting Scope, then unvoting him. You argued you never unvoted him, well you did, didn't you Panzer. Seems to me you've made a false accusation to vote me.

Analysis wise I'm trying to hunt the scum, would you rather I didn't post any accusations/theories as such? I don't see how analysing things makes me scummy, scared I might have stumbled upon your scum partners eh?

[theopor_COD]

Twas more like following the interaction between Now a Ranger and Kard, yeh the guy posted his PM, but if he'd played elsewhere on the site under another user name he could easily have a townie PM to post in this thread. As I say it was a jokey throwaway remark.

By the way I tend to read the previous players posts when I replace, seems odd you don't.

[theopor_COD]

i dont see why someone who rereads would pay special attention to the posts of their predecessors?
I highly doubt that Jalyn rereading them is going to achieve anything.

You'd be stupid not to re-read your predecessors posts.

I don't expect Jalyn to achieve anything from them, but their posts should not be ignored by the town. Chibo for one actively avoided the LG wagon, then made a bullshit reason to vote me, if he'd said yeh I agree with KC and that I'd made a crap response then ok but he didn't just contradicted his first post.

Jalyn - not sure what you mean, happened to pick the right one? As in Kard quoting his role PM. If so then yes he did obviously but it's old ground I've explained myself.

[theopor_COD]

Why Panzer Scot?

Only asking because it's the first time you've mentioned him at all.

[theopor_COD]

DoS - Nice scummy post there.

Kind of oh I'll vote Theo but would rather vote ~n9v~. You could at least elaborate on why I'm the best lynch aswell and maybe offer some other opinions on like the last few pages discussion.

And what's with the rush with you and Scope. You for instance that's your first post in a week and you have the gall to say we need to get something happening, maybe post a bit more!

[theopor_COD]

Rand - If I wanted to push a lynch against inactives. I wouldn't have thrown suspicion on the Scope wagon, I'd have just let it continue. I find you and Jalyn scummity scum and more I see from a few others I'd throw em in the same boat. It's kind of like the argument that inactives can't be scum, thing is we got so many of em, some of them have to be scum.

[theopor_COD]

This game depresses me no end. Them last three votes have been so weak it's unreal at least have a decent argument against me guys.

1) I'm trying to catch scum not looking for an easy vote, if that was the case I'd have voted Scope.

2) I've re-read day 1 and day 2 - how many of you have. Not a lot i'd guess, some of you even pushing for a deadline.

3) I've already explained my stupid jokey remark against kardkraizee. We've already lost one townie today, losing another isn't wise.

[theopor_COD]

Ok if anyone's still interested one bit in this game, I want everyone to put some more effort into it. Here's what I propose, please give your thoughts on everyone in the game, should only take a line or two. With any luck the process will prove useful for coming daytimes whether I'm about or not.

BM - Do please explain why your so convinced Scope is scum and do you think he would bus his Godfather so aggressively day one? I also think re-reading page one and two is pretty relevant, especially considering the only scum we've got so far, went day one. We've also had several wagons over those pages all are worth some information.

[theopor_COD]

Amb's already posted his thoughts by the way. That's what I want from everyone.

[theopor_COD]

If anyone's unsure why I want people to do what I suggest 1055. It's not to save my own bacon, it's to leave something to help the town if I get lynched. I'm not overly bothered about dieing, what I am bothered about is my win condition, hence I want everyone to supply more content.

[theopor_COD]

Well, if your the only one requesting it and it's for your win condition this means you have a different win condition from the town. Lynch him.

WTF are you on about.
Did I say what my win condition is, no. I win when all threats to the town are eliminated, I want everyone to post more content and thoughts on everyone for chrissake it's page 43!!!

You obviously are one of those that couldn't give a shit.

[theopor_COD]

And I'm the only one requesting it because everybody else is happy to sit in the background do eff all.

[theopor_COD]

thats a bit uncalled for. nonetheless, i agree. if we dont have some idea of everyones suspicions, we wont have anything to go on if they die.
To this end i will try and do a sort of LoS tomorrow. i also highly reccommend that Theo, you do the same. If you have any information to impart, now would be the time to do so...
BM

No probs I will. I've done two kind of already, although I'll post some more thoughts on people.

[theopor_COD]

2. yellowbounder al_kohaulec

- Yellowbounder not on LG wagon, fails to add any content in his short. al_ko since replacing in random votes IH, some interaction with Rand. Kinda finds everyone scummy. Doesn't vote anyone Day 2. Doesn't vote Scope just asks him to explain Day 3, comments that Scope averted the lynch, we all know this is rubbish. Votes ~n9v~. Hasn't really contributed anything. Leaning towards scum.

3. Twito

- Prominent day one and early part of day two. Pusher of Livingod lynch, pretty much since has been pushing a lynch on Scope. Throws some suspicion lately at Panzer, I'm viewing him as pro town.

4. Frustian water_foul IH

- Frustian, Water Foul - Did jack all, mind Water Foul did vote Livingod. IH since has defended Lowell, attacking generally Amb, Panzer and Myself. I'm not really convinced on him either way, he's been pretty quiet lately, didn't jump on to vote Scope, has since voted me and Panzer.

5. Rand Althor

- Taken from previous post. Day One no content. Day two - FOS on BM. His fifth post mainly his vote on BM I don't like, gives me the vibe he wants to join the Theo wagon but is setting up another. Couple of irrelevant posts. Votes Lowell seems like a nice wagon to push. Asks a few ppl for opinions not inherently scummy that mind this to Scope and OTU. Calls Lowell, Amb and ~n9v~ his scum trio doesn't seem to focus on anyone else, he was aggressive to BM before. Calls a post from Amb scummy, doesn't explain why. His 15th post is a good one, a rarity. Back to attacking BM. Still pushes the Lowell lynch, some interaction with Al ko (possible scum buddies). Brings up his suspicious trio again doesn't really go into any new details on why they should be lynched. Blatant hop onto ~n9v~ near deadline and then calls out Lowell for doing likewise!!!. Giving him good reason to hop back to Lowell wagon. Comments that we'd learn more from lynching Lowell, at the time I'd agreed, however good old Rand hasn't explained much since then has he, please do Rand? Gets asked by KC to comment on me and al ko, posts some lurking link with al ko, ignores me. First post day three - seems to be defending his previous day's actions and that scum have setup people for killing Lowell. Blatant hop on to Scope, next post pleads with people not to hammer Scope. WTF. Talk about voting someone for no real reason. Some slight inkling of a Kard wagon, goes back to finding ~n9v~ scummy, looks the easy vote to me. Has since voted me for looking for the easy lynch.

6. Shamrock Panzerjager

- You know I can't really form an opinion on Panzer. Shamrock posted nothing, Panzer replaced in and has been very active, which is good, but he seems to throw suspicion here there and everywhere, his voting Day Two included - Chibo, Riverwind, Twito, Lowell, OTU, Lowell, Amb, Lowell, IH, Lowell - he then pushes a lynch on Lowell pretty much like he's doing now with me, before voting ~n9v~ and then after some input from Jalyn hops back to Lowell or intends to (note - he comments he messed up his tags). He has at least Day Three decided that Scotmany - first time he's pretty much mentioned him, Scope and me are scum. He's argument initally for voting me was based on a lie aswell, he claims he didnt unvote Scope, when in fact he did. I can't fathom him out.

7. DragonsofSummer

- Useless in a word. Had a slight wagon on him Day One, nothing much mind only 4 votes, he then moved to the LG wagon using the reason LG was fourth on his own wagon, he then failed to post again that day. Day two votes Phita and then hops on to my wagon, which was understandable my reply to KC was awful. Since then he pretty much lurks about and hops on to a Scope wagon after YB's posts an argument against him. DOS uses the bullshit he was going to do exactly the same today, yeh right. Next post jumps to Lowell wagon, before hopping to Panzer then back to Lowell doesn't really a have a decent reason for any vote read his 29th and 30th posts, unvotes Lowell, votes n9v, goes silent. Day three again pretty useless hops on to Scope wagon and then unvotes when he realises he's voting it for a flawed reason, i.e that Scope's vote would have been decisive, it wouldn't. He then moves back to ~n9v~ before since voting me. Not totally sure but I don't see him as being helpful to the town.

8. Amb

- On the LG wagon, has pushed Scotmany since pretty much then, is still, his analysis is pretty good and useful on Day Three. Day Two he voted OTU for the hammering of LG and wanted a Twito lynch early doors seems a bout of OMGUS between them both, he then moved to Scope before settling with a Lowell lynch. More town than scum I think.

10. Battle Mage

- BM is town more than scum, I think. His style isn't helpful but nothing he's done has overly stood out. He doesn't, like Twito, seem to be thinking of any alternative to a Scope lynch. BM does defend LG to an extent Day One but I think that's more because he hasn't a clue of LG's alignment than anything else. He's play Day Two and Three is just actively OMGUS as far as I can make out against Scope and Cheesefan.

12. Chibo mole Jalyn

- Taken from previous post. Chibo, Mole, Jalyn - Chibo is my main reason for finding Jalyn suspicious, basically he was scum stand out Day One. Avoided the LG wagon reasons explained didn't want to vote for any old reason and that the game need not speed up. His next post is actively the opposite as I pointed out, it's a blatant bandwagon. Mole replaces and posts jack all, first post is irrelevant, second vote is a vote on some-one who's lurking, third is likewise. That's the sum total of Mole. Jalyn then enters and is at least more active so good points there - mind this game started 28 Jan, Jalyn's first post is 13 March, so whatever her alignment I'd expect something from her.
Her main contribution Day Two was to fire up the Lowell wagon again after it had died down a fair amount. Mainly using an argument that IH and OTU had pushed wagons on ~n9v~ and Amb to derail the Lowell wagon. States she's prefer an OTU wagon but isn't content to move from the high wagon in time for deadline. Day three so far no content, seems to be flying under the radar bit of a bandwagon vote on me, she has since underlined why she's voting me, mind I've already made my point the comment was a throwaway jokey remark, in jest, stupid yes but not damning.

13. OverTheUnder

- Day One hammers Godfather, could be scum doing it I can see scum hammering in that situation. Since has done little, contributed little and has dissapeared Day Three. I'd need to do a PBPA before I decide decisively, but KC makes some valid points in her last long post.

15. KaleiÐoscøpe

- Actively pushes LG wagon aggressively. Hasn't posted much of any help, has had a couple of wagons against him, pretty much been OMGUSing BM all game. Not much help as I say, but think he's town.

16. scotmany12

- OMGUS vs Amb all game. No real case against Amb, pretty unhelpful can see him as scum, but again probably need to re-read him against the context of the game.

17. Wartys Neryon Kelly Chen

- Aggressive against LG, then me and pretty much has kept that up since. Other day two votes include OTU, Amb (stays on Amb most of the day) - comments that she doesn't find Scope scummy. Her 36th post may be interesting later on, defence of Lowell, comments that Cheese is town, finds RA, Amb, n9v possibly Panzer scum. Moves on to n9v vote nearing lynch whilst still angling for a Theo lynch tomorrow. Day Three votes Scope straight off the bat argues later it was to start substantiate a wagon after Twito's vote, any thoughts on the votes after Kelly? Since then has unvoted Scope, voted n9v again and pretty much moved her argument back to me, in part due to the interaction and posts with regard kardkraizee/now a ranger. Her last long post was useful for Day two thoughts. Overall I think she's town.

18. Riverwind23

- Haven't seen a helpful Riverwind post yet, has anyone? Could be scum, could be useless town who knows. He's actually more active in another game, so I'm not sure, I do want to hear from him that's for sure.

19. ~N9V~

- Similar kind of to Riverwind/BM. Think he's town but again pretty unhelpful.

Anyway I don't think my opinions have changed much since the last longish post I made. I'd say Rand, Al_ko, Jalyn are all likely scum, Panzer seems to be throwing stuff here there and everywhere but I can't decide what to make of him.

[theopor_COD]

You know I could actually enjoy a Panzer wagon. I'll do a pbpa of him later, it's definately going to be worth doing one. Panzer pls point out where I've been unhelpful basically since the kardkraizee issue. I understand you may not like having to post your thoughts on everyone, however I think you should. I don't see why that won't prove useful come later days.

[theopor_COD]

Why does that last post make you scratch your head?
I simply stated why he should be lynched. Honestly, if he is vanilla, he is better dead unless he is going to help the town.

Do point out my recent posts where I've not been helping the town? Infact point out how helpful everyone is being. How do you determine how much ppl are helping eh?

Before this, he was just providing bullshit reasons to save K-Scope. Saving someone without solid reasoning(especially someone that isn't helping himself out at all) is scummy and unhelpful.

This is Bullshit Panzer go back and re-read the original seven votes and their reasoning for voting Scope. I think you'll find it was because everyone thought he'd averted a lynch, that wasn't the case his vote was totally irrelevant. Fact that four people, you included then unvoted due to this renders this sentence laughable. The votes on Scope piled up so quickly and for incorrect reasons.

Claiming vanilla, in my opinion, is something you should never do. In this case, I guess it kept a live a more active player, but I still think that there is a possibility that he bluffed.

I agree I don't think claiming Vanilla is wise, but when I'm due to being lynched it's preferable to claiming Doc, Cop and outing a power role. That's my opinion.

I don't not have enough name to do a player by player analysis at the moment, but it is coming. I am looking forward to defending myself against Theo's accusatons and telling me what my acyions mean in his pbpa of me.

Enough name? What's that mean?

However I look forward to your analysis on everyone. I'm not going to go and make accusations, I'm just going to do a PBPA, I may not even post it, ppl should do it for themselves, as I say i'm unsure whether your scum or town. There are certainly more stand out candidates.

[theopor_COD]

Panzer you got round to this yet? Specifically my posts which are not being helpful. Please do point em out.

Why does that last post make you scratch your head?
I simply stated why he should be lynched. Honestly, if he is vanilla, he is better dead unless he is going to help the town.

Do point out my recent posts where I've not been helping the town? Infact point out how helpful everyone is being. How do you determine how much ppl are helping eh?

I've been having a look at some others lately, maybe you could comment on em, since 27th March:

DoS 2 post =

Asks Scot for his reasons for finding Amb scummy. Scot posts this later, DoS fails to add any comment, when you show up DoS please do.
Next post is blatant bandwagon vote for Theo, distances himself from it aswell saying he'd rather vote n9v, comments that game has been deadlocked for a week. Since his last post obviously.

Riverwind 2 posts =

Apologises for not posting in last 48 hours, comments he won't do so again for another 24 hours. One week later he joins the Theo bandwagon again distances himself saying Scope is scum.

OTU 1 post =

Can't even make sense of it. He needs a prod.

Rand Althor 1 post =

Votes for the Theo wagon. Nothing else in two weeks, say's I'm voting for the inactives and pushing easy targets. Post something useful then, that way I may not be so suspicious of you, scum.

n9v 0 posts =

Needs a prod


I'd also add for the moment thanks BM for posting above and I do hope everyone else does likewise.

One last thing for now Panzer any reason why you haven't commented on the

false accusations

you made against me. Namely -

1

Before this, he was just providing bullshit reasons to save K-Scope. Saving someone without solid reasoning(especially someone that isn't helping himself out at all) is scummy and unhelpful.

The votes were all placed through poor logic as I've said before. Scope wouldn't have changed the lynch either way, yes his change at the end looks slightly scummy, I'll agree with that but it wouldn't have changed the lynch which these votes were placed because of . . .

Still there is no excuse for Kaleidoscope to push for the no lynch.

Vote:Kaleidoscope

Lowell was at lynch -1, and it was only a couple of hours til deadline. If sc0pe voted for Lowell, we would've had a lynch, and thus a lot of information. However, instead he chose to make a vote that doesn't mean anything in terms of accomplishing something before deadline, and caused us to go into night without a lynch and lose any informatin we could've gained through a lynch.
Something along those lines.

Notice alko doesn't vote but still uses incorrect logic. Scope's vote wouldn't have mattered, any reason for not voting alko? You actually seem to be doing so much fence sitting alko, your ass must be starting to ache.

Forgot to

Vote: K-Scope

no reason for going for a no lynch.

Good ole Rand piles on.

what K-scope did yesterday was completely idiotic. As it turns out, we had a lucky escape, and it turns out your mistake hasnt been costly.

Vote Kaleidoscope

BM gets some points because he was on Scope all Day 2 and is still attacking him.

3 other votes are dodgy aswell KC's - mind she explained her's as bandwaggoing, DoS - he then unvoted after realising lynch wouldn't have occured either and Kard.

2

Theo, I never unvoted K-scope so that is false information.

Note after Panzer votes Scope in his 59th post, he unvotes in post 60 before voting Scotmany in 61 and then hops back to Scope in 62

3

This one basically adheres to the top part of my post so isn't neccesarily a false accusation, but I do tend to think I've been more helpful than most, shall we say.

You know whilst I'm the subject on Panzer, let's just pull up some of his quotes so far this game. They are shall we say quite lynch happy, not exactly pro-town in my eyes. Note I got carried away here so the post ends up longer than I wanted.

I feel Chibo is more scummy then him.

He will be vigged, no worries

.

At this point Chibo

should be vigged

for their is no reason to keep a lurker in the game.

I'm have three people I think are scum and that is River, BM, and Chibo. I believe they are all equally scummy, but can we lynch Chibo? He really isn't playing at all so would it be wise to

lynch him if he isn't really playing

?

Scotmany is decidedly town. I wouldn't have jumped on the Livingod wagon either and I'm not jumping on the scope wagon because I don't see why.

Note that one wasn't lynch happy just made me chuckle

N9V, Scot, Amb, Yellowbounder, Lowell and River are the people I'm suspecting right now. Yellowbounder for lurking, N9V for one track mind and vendetta against the guy who hammered the godfather, Amb for lurking and not contributing, Scot for suddenly changing from cautious townie to bandwagon hopping scum, Lowell for various scumtells and Phita, River for reasons I have mentioned more then once. I'm not a fan of Cheesfan either for reasons that were posted by COD.

Note this could go down as suspecting pretty much everyone, somewhere recently Panzer argued he didn't.

Your a good man Amb.

Yeah lets lynch Lowell. It's about time

.

After voting Amb before! He then votes IH after IH calls him out on it.

If he acts like scum, talks like scum, and feels like scum chances are Loweel is scum.

Scum please bus your buddy.

Re - Lowell lynch

My post in isolation sure do look scummy. You should be

lynched for the good of the town

.

They sure do

Anway this is stupid. Lets bus Lowell.

So lets keep lynching him

?

I'm stil in favor of

lynch Lowell scum.

It will give us more useful information then lynching amb.

Now Lowell's dead pls explain the information?

Vote: N9V

for the giving up scumtell and the appeal to emotion logical fallacy and making a terrible claim with completely awkward timing.

Cue move to N9V prior to deadline. And he votes Scope for similar reasons next day.

Jalyn has inspired me to revote Lowell. So

Unvote: Lowell

. This will give us far more information then an N9V lynch at this point. On top of this, N9V and Lowell are tied on my scumometer at the moment, so I favor the Lowell lynch.

Then supposedly hops back to Lowell, only he doesn't vote him properly.

I belive his

lynch is long over do

and

Theo could be be lynched or NKed

.

This is Day three in relation to Scope.

My vote on scotmany was because of an exetremely scummy string of post and I wouldn't really mind stringing him up either to me your all scum.

Well, if your the only one requesting it and it's for your win condition this means you have a different win condition from the town.

Lynch him

.

This last one to me after I suggested everyone comment on everyone in the game. Still three from trap door.


To finish I wasn't going to post that many but Panzer has posted plenty of scummy posts so much I'm thinking he may actually be scum. I've quoted em all because I want ppl to read it and form their own opinions of him and everyone else. For now

unvote, vote Panzer

.

[theopor_COD]

Panzer may well be bloodthirsty, but

we don't

all know that as you imply BM. I'd be more than happy to pressurize Rand, I've stated before why I think he's scum, Panzer may well be able to explain his postings so far, in that regard I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

As such

unvote, vote Rand Althor

Panzer do if you get the chance post your thoughts on everyone and also them 3 points I listed which you called me out on. IGMEOY.

[theopor_COD]

Now down to business. I believe that it was Scope who put the vote so there was no lynch yesterday. I didn' like that move one bit. Hell, it would've been better to lynch me, because then you have another confirmed townie to all you idiots thinking I'm so scummy because of a few bad posts.

You ought to read the thread.
Scope's vote wouldn't have mattered.

DoS nice to see you.

[theopor_COD]

Nice OMGUS BM i'll bring my points against Theo today or tomorrow.

You know if you had a case you'd be able to post straight away. You wouldn't have to search through 45 pages finding a reason. Your vote a few pages ago was blatant bandwaggoing as was DoS's and Riverwind's.

Theo is pushing a lynch on bad reasons. BM and Amb voted for equally bad reasons

And your not eh Rand? I've outlined my reasons, see below

5. Rand Althor - Taken from previous post. Day One no content. Day two - FOS on BM. His fifth post mainly his vote on BM I don't like, gives me the vibe he wants to join the Theo wagon but is setting up another. Couple of irrelevant posts. Votes Lowell seems like a nice wagon to push. Asks a few ppl for opinions not inherently scummy that mind this to Scope and OTU. Calls Lowell, Amb and ~n9v~ his scum trio doesn't seem to focus on anyone else, he was aggressive to BM before. Calls a post from Amb scummy, doesn't explain why. His 15th post is a good one, a rarity. Back to attacking BM. Still pushes the Lowell lynch, some interaction with Al ko (possible scum buddies). Brings up his suspicious trio again doesn't really go into any new details on why they should be lynched. Blatant hop onto ~n9v~ near deadline and then calls out Lowell for doing likewise!!!. Giving him good reason to hop back to Lowell wagon. Comments that we'd learn more from lynching Lowell, at the time I'd agreed, however good old Rand hasn't explained much since then has he, please do Rand? Gets asked by KC to comment on me and al ko, posts some lurking link with al ko, ignores me. First post day three - seems to be defending his previous day's actions and that scum have setup people for killing Lowell. Blatant hop on to Scope, next post pleads with people not to hammer Scope. WTF. Talk about voting someone for no real reason. Some slight inkling of a Kard wagon, goes back to finding ~n9v~ scummy, looks the easy vote to me. Has since voted me for looking for the easy lynch, again with no real reason.

Lastly I'm still waiting for the player analysis from all to appear. Note saying you'll do it won't make me forget.

p.s Panzer I had no idea before re - regarding your style of play so no I didn't think you were a bloodthirsty vig from your posts alone.

[theopor_COD]

I've gone beyond caring about this game. Panzer if you are who you say you are, then I expect to be dead soon enough, therefore I'm going to put no more effort into the game. Adios.

[theopor_COD]

Yeh I've assumed who you are from your posts. I may well be wrong but there you go. I've not played a game before with you so I have no idea of your playstyle and although I read quite a few games I'm not in, haven't read any that you've been in.

I'm still overly dissapointed that the majority of ppl cannot be bothered to put any effort into the game.

As for Rand he votes for me as OMGUS more than anything, basically I find him scummy, he joins the wagon. DoS and River both do likewise neither really have a reason. Fact Rand say's above he has some points against me, but doesn't post them, basically means he has jack all on me. Do you mean today or tomorrow as in real days or game days Rand?

[theopor_COD]

Amb from what I can remember not much.

N9V voted Scope and shouted obscebities at IH.
No one posted lists of suspicions from what I can recall.
Actually Scotmany may have done but not posted any reasons.

We also had a deadline in place, due to downtime can this be extended for say a week?

[theopor_COD]

I've not forgotten that most people haven't or that some need a prod esp OTU he prob needs a replacement.

As my vote on Rand is wasted I'll

unvote

[theopor_COD]

Apathy.

Ppl dont care who lynches, this game deserves a rocket to get some life into it.

[theopor_COD]

One hour!!

What you up all night with the missus al_ko?

[theopor_COD]

From what I remember IH asked N9V why he'd voted Scope.

N9V then called IH a "fucking idiot" and told him to read from page 40 onwards where he'd posted his reasons. Which were incorrect anyway as Scope didn't affect the lynch by changing his vote, twas scummy but not decisive, although why Scope would change votes hours from the deadline is odd.

[theopor_COD]

Twito any chance you could elaborate a little bit more?

[theopor_COD]

Amb I'm pretty fed up with this game as I explained several pages ago. I've put a fair amount of effort into it, even attempted others to do similar, from what I can tell like three or four have, most haven't bothered.

[theopor_COD]

Vote Scope

Twito seems pretty damn certain of him, my one main reservation against Scope was the fact he heavily attacked Livingod and I wouldn't have expected scum to do it to a Godfather. However it's page 47 and he's the only lynch we've had so maybe scum bussed him or some of em anyway, which is why OTU may well be scum aswell. He didn't even let Livingod claim just hammered no other posts Day One. So if Livingod was bussed by anyone it's likely to be OTU or Scope, after all there was 11 voters on him, they can't all be town surely.

If anyone wants me lynched they ought to find a case, other than pointing out my stupidity re - kardkraizee, which I've explained also I'd like ppl to attempt to get them lists of supsicions completed, even if its just top three suspects or something.

[theopor_COD]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Yes, I got my prod

Vote: Scope

Day needs to end, and alot of progress will be made if I am dead. Question marks at some people will disappear and some will be turned into the spotlight. The reason I'm doing this is because my time is limited (a.k.a. I probably need to be replaced soon anyway) and I think, in favour for the town, I think my death will cause more help (concerning other players) then the things I say when being alive. It will also dissappear the doubt about if I would buss my godfather.

With that being said, I say we should hammer, and people should take a look at those who generally pushed this the whole day tomorrow.[/quote]

I don't understand if your town why you've given up. All it's done is give an easy excuse to the scum to vote for you, we have no real way of knowing tomorrow who's scum, who's not. Twito and BM have pushed your lynch constantly but I'm not convinced they are bad uns.

[theopor_COD]

I like that post DoS.

unvote, vote N9V

As I've stated before my only main reasons for voting Scope were the possible bussing of the Godfather, I still think there must have been one or two scum out of the eleven on that wagon. Plus Twito's insistence on him got me thinking maybe he'd got some info on Scope, however N9V is just plain scummy his actions recently with regard IH and his vote on Scope back this up.

[theopor_COD]

Deadline: 2000 GMT Wednesday 25th April.

That's in just under 52 hours from this post.

No majority at deadline means no lynch.

We need to lynch someone even if it means me, we will learn absolutely jack all from a no lynch.

[theopor_COD]

Blagho just claimed scum as a townie so who knows what he will bring to the party. Nice to see you Fonz.

Jalyn I'm pretty certain your scum, infact I'd rather be lynched than N9V or Scope to prove it tomorrow. You keep bleating on about the kardkraizee situation - it threw me, I made a throwaway remark over it . . . end of story. Find a real case.

[theopor_COD]

Plus Jalyn it's nice to see you totally ignore the other wagons, "no real read on N9V" maybe you should at least cast an opinion or read his posts. If N9V turns to be scum then I'm even more certain of you being his partner. That's a pretty worthless case against IH aswell.

[theopor_COD]

Any chance we could have a deadline extension and some prods. A no lynch is very bad those people who've dissapeared are not helping matters.

[theopor_COD]

Any chance we could have a deadline extension and some prods. A no lynch is very bad those people who've dissapeared are not helping matters.

You've missed your opportunity for removing the deadline, and I see no reason for an extension.

Did you have anyone in mind for prods, or shall I just do it indiscriminately?

Vote Count is coming up.

Well everyone who's dissapeared from the radar.

If we can't decide on a lynch, then I'd rather I was lynched. Either way we need something to look back on for future days.

p.s Rand I've still not seen that case you were supposed to bringing against me, you said a day, it's been over two weeks. Oh and don't give me the old I've got school crap, if you had a case/reason you would be able to post it pronto.

Scum are Rand, Jalyn and possibly N9V.

Lurkers who are worrying me include Kelly Chen (who everyone appears to see as pro-town but has posted very little as the deadline approaches), Riverwind is totally useless and Panzer has dissapeared since the deadline looms aswells, I'm not liking Blahgo much either.

Anyway to summarise my vote is staying on N9V unless we get a decision on lynching me or Scope and I'll move to either to get a lynch.

[theopor_COD]

I really don't understand how anyone town can think lynching themselves helps the town. Surely no lynch should always be preferable to lynching someone you know is town?

No because people have been pushing my wagon as they have Scope and N9V, we will learn something from someone being lynched than a no lynch. The only people who benefit from a no lynch are the scum. We've had 49 pages and managed to lynch only one person a Godfather for heavens sake! We have no real voting patterns to look back at.

[theopor_COD]

N9V was a wagon on Day 2, as was I, as was Scope.

All three have been wagons Day 3.

Lynching none of us helps no-one but scum.


Out of three supposed choices I'd rather N9V went but I'd prefer a Scope or Theo lynch to a no lynch.

[theopor_COD]

We've got plenty of wagons to analyse. Only problem we got is that we don't know any proven alignments other than Livingod (possible scum on board that) and Lowell (not much analysis of that wagon so far). During the game there's been wagons on myself, Scope and N9V x2 in most cases, not lynching one of us means tonight scum could take someone else down and then we're in the same spot tomorrow with most suspicion on the same three faces. I don't want to lynch because I want to catch the scum but we need one of us to hit 9 votes simple as.

[theopor_COD]

I'm going to get this post in before the deadline just because I want it to be posted incase I'm not about tomorrow. Oh and them Lists of Suspicion pls do em, it's for our own benefit.

Anyway voting patterns so far. All I've done quickly is put in the who we knows, as such if I'm alive tomorrow I'll revisit and update. I've also had a quick look at who stands out most mainly for jumping around a lot, or joining wagons later kind and kind of appearing on a townie wagon to appear innocent or in the case of the Lowell wagon even of it to appear innocent in OTU's case. I've only quickly looked at OTU and N9V at present. Panzer jumps around a lot but we knew that already.

#1 Vote Count!

DragonsofSummer- 4 (Battle Mage, Twito, Shamrock,

Livingod

)
Livingod- 3 (Riverwind23,

~N9V~,

DragonsofSummer)
water_foul- 2 (

OverTheUnder

,

Cheesefan

)
Twito- 2 (KaleiÐoscøpe, Amb)
Kelly Chen- 1 (water_foul)
yellowbounder- 1 (Kelly Chen)

Not voting (7): Chibo, yellowbounder, Rand Althor,

phita23, spectrumvoid

, theopor_COD, scotmany12


#2 Vote Count:

Livingod- 5 (DragonsofSummer, Riverwind23,

~N9V~,

KaleiÐoscøpe, water_foul)
DragonsofSummer- 4 (Battle Mage, Twito, Shamrock,

Livingod

)
water_foul- 2 (OverTheUnder,

Cheesefan

)
Twito- 2 (Amb, yellowbounder)
Riverwind23- 1 (Rand Althor)

Not voting (6): Kelly Chen, Chibo,

spectrumvoid,

scotmany12, theopor_COD,

phita23

#3 Vote Count:

Livingod- 8 (DragonsofSummer, Riverwind23,

~N9V~,

KaleiÐoscøpe, water_foul, Amb, Kelly Chen, Twito)
DragonsofSummer- 2 (Shamrock,

phita23

)
Twito- 2 (yellowbounder, scotmany12)
water_foul- 2 (

OverTheUnder

,

Cheesefan

)
Riverwind23- 1 (Rand Althor)
Kelly Chen- 1 (

Livingod

)

Not voting (4): Battle Mage, theopor_COD, Chibo,

spectrumvoid

End of Day 1 Vote Count:

Livingod- 11 (Amb, Twito, DragonsofSummer, Kelly Chen, water_foul,

~N9V~,

KaleiÐoscøpe, Riverwind23,

Cheesefan, spectrumvoid

,

OverTheUnder

)
Twito- 2 (yellowbounder, scotmany12)
DragonsofSummer- 2 (

phita23

, Shamrock)
Kelly Chen- 2 (

Livingod

, Battle Mage)
Riverwind23- 1 (Rand Althor)

Not voting (2): Chibo, theopor_COD

OTU all day random votes WaterFoul now IH before hammering Livingod. Yeh I could see scum hammering scum here

N9V on Livingod all day, possible bussing, mind unlikely, although his comments with OTU's hammer are odd and subsequent posts regarding it

Scope also on Livingod all day, since then he's been pretty much against BM

#4 Vote Count:

theopor_COD- 5 (Kelly Chen, Twito, DragonsofSummer, scotmany12, Battle Mage)
Battle Mage- 3 (

Cheesefan

, KaleiÐoscøpe, Riverwind23)
Twito- 1 (Amb)
Kelly Chen- 1 (theopor_COD)

Not voting [8]: yellowbounder,

OverTheUnder

, Chibo, Rand Althor,

phita23

, Shamrock, water_foul,

~N9V~

#5 Vote Count:

theopor_COD- 7 (Kelly Chen, Twito, DragonsofSummer, scotmany12, Chibo, KaleiÐoscøpe, C

heesefan

)
Battle Mage- 1 (Riverwind23)
Kelly Chen- 1 (theopor_COD)
Cheesefan- 1 (Battle Mage)
Twito- 1 (Amb)

Not voting (7): Shamrock, yellowbounder,

OverTheUnder

, Rand Althor,

phita23

, water_foul,

~N9V~

#6 Vote Count:

theopor_COD- 8 (Kelly Chen, Twito, DragonsofSummer, scotmany12, Chibo, KaleiÐoscøpe,

Cheesefan

,

OverTheUnder

)
Battle Mage- 2 (Riverwind23, Rand Althor)
Twito- 1 (Amb)
Kelly Chen- 1 (theopor_COD)
Cheesefan- 1 (Battle Mage)

Not voting (5): Shamrock,

phita23

, yellowbounder, water_foul,

~N9V~

OTU joins the Theo wagon at 8

#7 Vote Count:

theopor_COD- 6 (DragonsofSummer, Chibo, KaleiÐoscøpe,

Cheesefan

,

OverTheUnder

, Riverwind23)
Chibo- 3 (theopor_COD, scotmany12, panzerjager)
OverTheUnder- 3

(~N9V~,

Amb, Kelly Chen)
Cheesefan- 1 (Battle Mage)
Battle Mage- 1 (Rand Althor)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 1 (Twito)

Not voting (3):

phita23

, water_foul, yellowbounder


#8 Vote Count:

theopor_COD- 6 (DragonsofSummer, Chibo, KaleiÐoscøpe,

Cheesefan

,

OverTheUnder

, Riverwind23)
OverTheUnder- 3

(~N9V~,

Amb, Kelly Chen)
Chibo- 2 (theopor_COD, panzerjager)
Amb- 1 (scotmany12)
Battle Mage- 1 (Rand Althor)
Cheesefan- 1 (Battle Mage)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 1 (Twito)
scotmany12- 1 (

Lowell

)

Not voting (2): yellowbounder, IH

N9V Doesn't join the Theo wagon once

#9 Vote Count:

KaleiÐoscøpe- 5 (Twito, yellowbounder, Amb, theopor_COD, DragonsofSummer)
theopor_COD- 3 (

Cheesefan

,

OverTheUnder

,

Lowell

)
Amb- 2 (scotmany12, Kelly Chen)
Battle Mage- 2 (Riverwind23, KaleiÐoscøpe)
OverTheUnder- 1

(~N9V~)

yellowbounder- 1 (mole)
Riverwind23- 1 (Battle Mage)

Not voting (3): IH, Rand Althor, panzerjager


#10 Vote Count:

KaleiÐoscøpe- 4 (yellowbounder, Amb, DragonsofSummer,

Cheesefan

)
Amb- 3 (scotmany12, Kelly Chen,

OverTheUnder

)
Battle Mage- 2 (Riverwind23, KaleiÐoscøpe)
Lowell- 2 (Twito, panzerjager)
Cheesefan- 1 (theopor_COD)
yellowbounder- 1 (mole)
OverTheUnder- 1

(~N9V~)

Riverwind23- 1 (Battle Mage)
theopor_COD- 1 (

Lowell

)

Not voting (2): IH, Rand Althor

Theo wagon dieing a death, so hops on to Amb wagon

#11 Vote Count:

Lowell- 5 (Twito, theopor_COD, Rand Althor, DragonsofSummer, Amb)
Amb- 4 (scotmany12, Kelly Chen,

OverTheUnder

, panzerjager)
Battle Mage- 2 (Riverwind23, KaleiÐoscøpe)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 2 (yellowbounder,

Cheesefan

)
yellowbounder- 1 (mole)
Twito- 1 (

Lowell

)
Riverwind23- 1 (Battle Mage)
OverTheUnder- 1

(~N9V~)

Not voting (1): IH


#12 Vote Count:

Lowell- 5 (Twito, theopor_COD, Rand Althor, DragonsofSummer, panzerjager)
Amb- 5 (scotmany12, Kelly Chen,

OverTheUnder

,

Lowell

, IH)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 2 (yellowbounder,

Cheesefan

)
Battle Mage- 2 (Riverwind23, KaleiÐoscøpe)
Riverwind23- 1 (Battle Mage)
yellowbounder- 1 (mole)
OverTheUnder- 1

(~N9V~)

Not voting (1): Amb

N9V been voting OTU moves to Lowell (town) wagon

#13 Vote Count:

Lowell- 5 (Twito, Rand Althor, DragonsofSummer, panzerjager,

~N9V~)

Amb- 5 (scotmany12, Kelly Chen,

OverTheUnder

,

Lowell

, IH)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 2 (yellowbounder,

Cheesefan

)
Battle Mage- 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)
Riverwind23- 1 (Battle Mage)
yellowbounder- 1 (mole)

Not voting (1): Amb, Riverwind23, theopor_COD



#14 Vote Count:

Lowell- 5 (Twito, Rand Althor, panzerjager,

~N9V~,

Amb)
Amb- 4 (scotmany12, Kelly Chen,

OverTheUnder

, IH)
panzerjager- 2 (DragonsofSummer,

Lowell

)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 2 (yellowbounder,

Cheesefan

)
Riverwind23- 1 (Battle Mage)
Battle Mage- 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)
yellowbounder- 1 (mole)

Not voting (2): Riverwind23, theopor_COD



#15 Vote Count:

Lowell- 7 (Twito, Rand Althor, panzerjager,

~N9V~,

Amb,

Cheesefan

, DragonsofSummer)
Amb- 4 (scotmany12, Kelly Chen,

OverTheUnder

, IH)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 1 (al_kohaulec)
al_kohaulec- 1 (mole)
Battle Mage- 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)
Riverwind23- 1 (Battle Mage)
panzerjager- 1 (

Lowell

)

Not voting (2): Riverwind23, theopor_COD



#16 Vote Count:

Lowell- 6 (Twito, Rand Althor, panzerjager,

~N9V~,

Cheesefan

, DragonsofSummer)
Amb- 2 (scotmany12, Kelly Chen)
panzerjager- 2 (

Lowell

, IH)
~N9V~- 2 (theopor_COD,

OverTheUnder

)
Riverwind23- 1 (Battle Mage)
al_kohaulec- 1 (mole)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 1 (al_kohaulec)
Battle Mage- 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)

Not voting (2): Amb, Riverwind23

Totally ignores the Lowell wagon, moves on to N9V

#17 Vote Count:

Lowell- 5 (Twito, Rand Althor, panzerjager,

~N9V~,

Cheesefan

)
~N9V~- 4 (theopor_COD,

OverTheUnder

,

Lowell

, Riverwind23)
Amb- 2 (scotmany12, Kelly Chen)
panzerjager- 1 (IH)
al_kohaulec- 1 (mole)
Battle Mage- 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)
Riverwind23- 1 (Battle Mage)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 1 (al_kohaulec)

Not voting (2): Amb, DragonsofSummer



#18 Vote Count:

Lowell- 5 (Twito, Rand Althor, panzerjager,

~N9V~,

Cheesefan

)
~N9V~- 4 (theopor_COD,

OverTheUnder

,

Lowell

, Riverwind23)
Amb- 3 (scotmany12, Kelly Chen, IH)
Riverwind23- 1 (Battle Mage)
al_kohaulec- 1 (mole)
Battle Mage- 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 1 (al_kohaulec)

Not voting (2): Amb, DragonsofSummer



#19 Vote Count:

Lowell- 5 (Twito,

~N9V~,

Cheesefan

, Jalyn, theopor_COD)
~N9V~- 5 (

OverTheUnder

, Riverwind23, DragonsofSummer, Rand Althor, Kelly Chen)
Amb- 2 (scotmany12, IH)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 2 (al_kohaulec, Battle Mage)
theopor_COD- 1 (

Lowell

)
Battle Mage- 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)

Not voting (2): Amb, panzerjager



#20 Vote Count:

Lowell- 8 (Twito,

~N9V~,

Cheesefan

, Jalyn, theopor_COD, Amb, Rand Althor, Battle Mage)
~N9V~- 5 (

OverTheUnder

, Riverwind23, DragonsofSummer, Kelly Chen, IH)
Amb- 1 (scotmany12)
theopor_COD- 1 (

Lowell

)
Battle Mage- 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 1 (al_kohaulec)

Not voting (1): panzerjager

10 to lynch. Deadline: 2000 GMT, March 17th. That's just under three hours from this post. No majority means no lynch.

Doesn't move vote from N9V, ignores Lowell wagon completely, Lowell turns up town

N9V doesn't leave the Lowell wagon

#21 Vote Count:

KaleiÐoscøpe- 7 (Twito, Kelly Chen, DragonsofSummer, panzerjager, Rand Althor, Battle Mage,

kardkraizee

)
Amb- 1 (scotmany12)

Not voting (9): IH, Amb,

OverTheUnder

, al_kohaulec, Jalyn,

~N9V~,

theopor_COD, KaleiÐoscøpe, Riverwind23



#22 Vote Count:

~N9V~- 3 (Riverwind23, DragonsofSummer,

OverTheUnder

)
theopor_COD- 3 (Kelly Chen, IH, Jalyn)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 3 (Twito, Battle Mage, panzerjager)
Amb- 1 (scotmany12)
Battle Mage- 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)
scotmany12- 1 (Amb)

Not voting (4): al_kohaulec, Rand Althor,

~N9V~,

theopor_COD



#23 Vote Count:

theopor_COD- 6 (Kelly Chen, Jalyn, panzerjager, DragonsofSummer, Rand Althor, Riverwind23)
~N9V~- 2 (

OverTheUnder

, al_kohaulec)
KaleiÐoscøpe- 2 (Twito, Battle Mage)
Amb- 1 (scotmany12)
Rand Althor- 1 (theopor_COD)
Battle Mage- 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)
scotmany12- 1 (Amb)
panzerjager - 1 (IH)

Not voting (1):

~N9V~

#24 Vote Count:

theopor_COD- 5 (Kelly Chen, Jalyn, DragonsofSummer, Rand Althor, Riverwind23)
Amb- 2 (scotmany12, panzerjager)
Rand Althor- 2 (Amb, Battle Mage)
~N9V~- 2 (

OverTheUnder

, al_kohaulec)
Battle Mage- 1 (Kaleidoscope)
Kaleidoscope- 1 (Twito)
panzerjager- 1 (IH)

Not voting (2): theopor_COD,

~N9V~

Stays on N9V day three quoting previous scum factor, ignores Scope and Theo wagons

#25 Vote Count:

Kaleidoscope- 4 (Twito, Kaleidoscope, Battle Mage,

~N9V~)

~N9V~- 4 (

blahgo

, The Fonz, DragonsofSummer, theopor_COD)
theopor_COD- 4 (Kelly Chen, Jalyn, Rand Althor, Riverwind23)
Amb- 2 (scotmany12, panzerjager)
Rand Althor- 1 (Amb)
panzerjager- 1 (IH)

Replacement sticks with N9V

N9V's first vote today is his last one for Scope

Not voting (0): No one

Note this may be factually incorrect in places because I've just gleaned the infor from CDB's votecounts not systematically from every unvote, vote as such

To summarise I think we can learn a fair bit from the various wagons so far, I've not a great deal of time to analyse everyone but I actually think OTU/Blahgo could be scum now and actually think Scope and N9V may both be town. Reasons OTU may be scum - hammers Livingod. There has to be scum on that wagon - more likely the later voters and maybe one of the early voters doing some scum bussing. OTU I can see hammering scum as scum here, he avoids the Lowell wagon if town I'm not sure he'd avoid it so much, also jumps on late my first wagon has since been pretty much against N9V solidly not looking actively for scum. Blahgo has replaced in and done nothing aside from stick to N9V.

As such Blahgo joins Rand and Jalyn as probable scum. I'd go into more detail on the votes etc so far but with so few alignments known its hard, what we need is a scum dead.

[theopor_COD]

How about a push on Blagho.

unvote, vote Blagho

[theopor_COD]

unvote, vote n9v

[theopor_COD]

Last lynch was a shambles, we've learnt practically nothing by Riverwind being killed, sensible choice for a kill from scum as he was practically no help during the game and we learn little from any wagons on him. I'm getting suspicious of those who avoided the deadline lynch especially those who were about, hence I'm feeling slightly happier about Jalyn.

Vote Blagho

- mainly due to 1218 and his lack of anything since replacing in.

I think N9V and Scope are likely both town.

[theopor_COD]

Oh and them Lists of Suspicion please post some thoughts. Even if it's just top three.

[theopor_COD]

Nice OMGUS BM i'll bring my points against Theo today or tomorrow.

I've waited 21 days, do share your thoughts.

[theopor_COD]

vote:theoper_COD

for all the reasons I was voting for him yesterday.

Jalyn you ought to put some effort into catching scum.

[theopor_COD]

Nice OMGUS BM i'll bring my points against Theo today or tomorrow.

I've waited 21 days, do share your thoughts.

yeah, I was completely wrong about you being scummy.

Ho Ho Ho.

What a surprise.

[theopor_COD]

However, I'd like to float another possibility that seems to have slid under the radar so far: Rand Althor as scum.

I said he was scum yesterday and still do.

Fonz out of interest what do you make of the Livingod wagon? Being as he's the only known scum, do you not think scum were on board as for the hammer I can see both scum and newb town doing it.

[theopor_COD]

Here's why I think Rand was scummity scum yesterday.

5. Rand Althor - Taken from previous post. Day One no content. Day two - FOS on BM. His fifth post mainly his vote on BM I don't like, gives me the vibe he wants to join the Theo wagon but is setting up another. Couple of irrelevant posts. Votes Lowell seems like a nice wagon to push. Asks a few ppl for opinions not inherently scummy that mind this to Scope and OTU. Calls Lowell, Amb and ~n9v~ his scum trio doesn't seem to focus on anyone else, he was aggressive to BM before. Calls a post from Amb scummy, doesn't explain why. His 15th post is a good one, a rarity. Back to attacking BM. Still pushes the Lowell lynch, some interaction with Al ko (possible scum buddies). Brings up his suspicious trio again doesn't really go into any new details on why they should be lynched. Blatant hop onto ~n9v~ near deadline and then calls out Lowell for doing likewise!!!. Giving him good reason to hop back to Lowell wagon. Comments that we'd learn more from lynching Lowell, at the time I'd agreed, however good old Rand hasn't explained much since then has he, please do Rand? Gets asked by KC to comment on me and al ko, posts some lurking link with al ko, ignores me. First post day three - seems to be defending his previous day's actions and that scum have setup people for killing Lowell. Blatant hop on to Scope, next post pleads with people not to hammer Scope. WTF. Talk about voting someone for no real reason. Some slight inkling of a Kard wagon, goes back to finding ~n9v~ scummy, looks the easy vote to me. Has since voted me for looking for the easy lynch, again with no real reason.

He since then voted me and came out with this pearl.

Vote:Theo

Your trying to push a lynch on inactives and Jalyn who has been trying to get you lynched. Your looking for easy targets.

Joining the bandwagon.

Nice OMGUS BM i'll bring my points against Theo today or tomorrow.

Say's he'll post points against me.

He doesn't so I continually prod him for them and then today he's piped up with

yeah, I was completely wrong about you being scummy.

Which I don't know whether it's sarcasm or not but either way he has no points against me.

I'd push the boat out and say both him and OTU/Blahgo are scum. Jalyn is just being generally unhelpful but needs watching. I could also see Panzer as scum masquerading as a supposed town power role.

unvote, vote Rand

but I'd be happy voting for Blagho and will be pretty much sticking with one of these two unless something else expires.

[theopor_COD]

Fonz. I tend to think with eleven people on the Livingod wagon some of em must have been bussing, surely one or two. Out of that wagon it's worth looking at them in particular. It's not that I don't think it's possible that OTU may be town, I can just see him hammering here aswell as possibly waiting for a claim. He didn't post nothing else of note Day One and may have come back and seen his scum partner at lynch -1 and thought best to hammer to look good when he came back Godfather.

End of Day 1 Vote Count:

Livingod- 11 (Amb, Twito, DragonsofSummer, Kelly Chen, water_foul, ~N9V~, KaleiÐoscøpe,

Riverwind23, Cheesefan, spectrumvoid

, OverTheUnder)
Twito- 2 (yellowbounder, scotmany12)
DragonsofSummer- 2 (

phita23

, Shamrock)
Kelly Chen- 2 (Livingod, Battle Mage)
Riverwind23- 1 (Rand Althor)

Not voting (2): Chibo, theopor_COD

- 3 of them on the wagon are proven town in Cheesefan, Riverwind, SV.
- 3 of them mainly Twito, Scope and Kelly were more aggressive than anyone else
- DoS and WaterFoul (IH) - both posted votes and then dissapeared
- Amb and N9V both relatively late on the wagon
- OTU hammered

I can't believe all eleven are town, 3 of them were that leaves 8 left I can see at least one or two of them as scum. I don't think all those not on the wagon are scum if you not what I mean, most townies are going to be more wary of a speed wagon on day one, due to them having no knowledge, Phita/Lowell was town and avoided the Livingod wagon.

If you think OTU is likely to be innocent townie, what do you make of Chibo's post just before the hammer?

[quote="Chibo"]Silly rule.. having to post.

What is there to do ? We have no leads...

All we can do is vote someone off for silly reasons like the above. Oh, your asking for people to follow this vote so we can get on with the game... SCUM.

Funny thing is, i fully expect someone to suspect me now, it seems to be happening to eveyone in this topic and it's getting us absolutely nowhere. Just vote for 1 person so we can get on with the game.[/quote]

[theopor_COD]

Seperately here's yesterdays final vote count -

~N9V~- 8 (The Fonz, DragonsofSummer, KC, Amb, Kaleidoscope, Battle Mage, Jalyn, theopor_COD)
Kaleidoscope- 3 (Twito, ~N9V~, blahgo)
theopor_COD- 2 (Rand Althor, Riverwind23)
Amb- 2 (scotmany12, panzerjager)
panzerjager- 1 (IH)

IH and Scotmany both posted within 24 hours of the deadline. Panzer posted in another thread on the day before. Rand hadn't posted anywhere for three days, River was town.

[theopor_COD]

Jalyn's problem is that all she is throwing at me is the situation with Kardkraizee. Nothing else, I'd be surprised if she's even read the majority of my posts.

Yes I can see how people can interpret my behaviour with kardkraizee as scummy but all I can say is the remarks I made were throwaway and jokey. To continually push the argument is unhelpful, because we've got a whole load of other stuff to analyse but she keeps bleating on like a mad sheep about it and frankly is ingnoring everything else. I still find her scummy, just Rand and OTU/Blahgo appear to me as bigger scum monsters.

[theopor_COD]

Since there has been some decent reasons to lynch amb and K-scope and no one budged I'm going to say that K-scope, Amb, Theo, DoS, and Kelly Chen could all be scum. I will be rereading so I can support my reasoning. In the mean time, Lynch amb, that will provide ample evidence if I'm correct on top of my re read and it will lead to my death if I'm wrong.

Why DoS and Kelly Chen?

Only asking because yesterday you posted this

Scum: Theo and Scotmany
Scummish: K-scope, Rand, N9V, BM, Amb
Unsure: River, OTU, Alko, Twito
Townish: Kelly, DoS, Jalyn
Town: IH, Myself

If your finding Kelly and DoS suspicious because they wanted a lynch then that's pretty bad reasoning. All of your suspects wanted a lynch, you alas dissapeared at deadline.

[theopor_COD]

Huh, the Fonz seems townie enough that I will stop suspecting yb/alko for the moment.

let's

vote: Rand Althor

for now.

Reason?

Good posting none the less.

[theopor_COD]

12. Chibo mole Jalyn : If theopor_COD is town, I can definitely see a scum Jalyn. Chibo+mole never earned any points of course. I noticed in this suspicion list by Jalyn:

The Iffy Folk:
blahgo - Mostly from what I remember of day 2. I really didn't like how that went down, will need to see how blahgo reacts to things, I suppose.
Battle Mage - I almost never think that he's protown
Twito - See Battle Mage
K-scope - I'm seeing those ties to theoper_COD as well.
Riverwind23 - Seems very quick to vote without providing much reason
scotmany12 - See BM, Twito.

No real read on:
The Fonz
Rand Althor
Panzerjager
DragonsofSummer
N9V~

Feels town:
Kelly Chen - Of course, based on the posts themselves, I have a feeling that I'd have a hard time ever not finding Kelly Chen townish.

There are three people here that she says she generally finds to be scum, without stating outright that she thinks they're scum in this game.

It's like, so if a few of us decide to put votes on e.g. Twito, Jalyn might (or might not) be right there with us because she generally thinks Twito's scum.

This post ought to be pinned on to everyone's forehead.

Scum - Rand, Jalyn, OTU/Blahgo.

N9V just strikes me as a foolish townie.

[theopor_COD]

Although I have no idea why N9V thinks the cop/doc is dead.

[theopor_COD]

My mistake

"if"

they were dead you state.

It's pretty obvious that they're not dead if they exist, I can't quite see the mod hiding a kill of a power role somehow.

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As it stands.

rand

theo kelly

theo

jalyn

n9v

dos bm scope n9v fonz ih

amb

panzer scotmany

scotmany

amb

not voting

blagho twito rand

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Where has everyone gone?

Lists of suspicion if you can't think of anything to say. Noticeable that my scum trio have all dissapeared - Jalyn, Rand and Blagho.

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Well, I thought blahgo looked suspicious yesterday, but on an overnight re-reading, despite his not entirely helpful latter behaviour, I just can't see the case for accusing him on the basis of that hammer vote.

Think about it. Livingod was the Godfather. GFs are usually investigation-immune. It's absolutely in the scum's interest to have him claim powerrole there (probably cop as there could be multiple cops in a game of this size) if not counterclaimed, he's pretty safe, and indeed will come up innocent if investigated. If counterclaimed, it shows up a real powerrole. Win-win, compared to him getting quicklynched. If killing him without giving him the chance to claim is a scum action, it's a very very stupid one. I'm pretty sure it was simply the action of a newbish townie, rather than scum.

Fonz I just want to float another theory with the hammer of Livingod with you. Eleven people on the wagon - 3 proved town near the end of the wagon. Now you say OTU would not hammer his Godfather so as the GF could claim power role. However would it not make sense for OTU to hammer here incase Livingod was killed prior to OTU. If Livingod for instance was killed the following night then OTU is going to look pretty scummy for avoiding the wagon, bit like Chibo/Jalyn does for his post just prior to the hammer vote. Anyway I'd actually like everyone to post opinions on the Livingod wagon - because he's the one known scum we've got and we found in him in like 8 pages and have taken another 46 to get nowhere.

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Fonz to be fair I think there's arguments for OTU being scum or town based on his behaviour day one. Somebody on that wagon I think was scum but I also think scum avoided it, I'd be very surprised if none of em were on it, being how quickly it occured, compared to the speed of any other daytime progress. Blagho however needs to pipe up and at least post some thoughts, which he hasn't done since replacing in.

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Fonz to be fair I think there's arguments for OTU being scum or town based on his behaviour day one. Somebody on that wagon I think was scum but I also think scum avoided it, I'd be very surprised if none of em were on it, being how quickly it occured, compared to the speed of any other daytime progress. Blagho however needs to pipe up and at least post some thoughts, which he hasn't done since replacing in.

There are, but right now I find the Town ones more compelling. I find it perturbing how you seem to be suggesting that both OTU and Chibo were scummy, for acting in essentially opposite manners in the same situation.

Let me ask you this: what would you have done in that situation, both as townie not knowing LG's alignment and as scum knowing the bandwagonee is the GF?

Fonz. All I need to say is that OTU hammered without much thought, as a townie I'd have waited for a claim not gone straight ahead and done so. The evidence against Livingod was hardly damning.

Chibo looks scummy for his two posts - the first one is just prior to OTU's hammer. Both look scummy for different reasons and looking at the Livingod wagon both to me stand out and I'd expect one of them to be likely scum, hence why both are in my possible scums with Rand.

Jalyn or Blagho's play since then hasn't really swayed me otherwise. I'd add that I wouldn't expect them both to be scum but you never know and if we look at the Livingod wagon then Scotmany pings my scumdar aswell.

Silly rule.. having to post.

What is there to do ? We have no leads...

All we can do is vote someone off for silly reasons like the above. Oh, your asking for people to follow this vote so we can get on with the game... SCUM.

Funny thing is, i fully expect someone to suspect me now, it seems to be happening to eveyone in this topic and it's getting us absolutely nowhere. Just vote for 1 person so we can get on with the game.

The second lo and behold is just after day dawns. No content.

vote:theopor_COD

Need to get on with the game.

I'd be happy lynching either of them or Rand. N9V needs to stop feeling sorry for himself if he's town and unvote.

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Fonz - I'm not speculating on all three being definate scum. At present the three of em to me are the scummiest and most likely say more so than anyone else I've looked at. Your defence of Blagho is noted mind, I was never convinced Al_Ko was town so I'm not yet by you.

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IH you really ought to pay more attention.

Scot you going to elaborate on your vote, likewise N9V.

Twito how about anyone else, care to comment? If you laid out a hard case against Scope fair enough but as yet I've not seen one, well worthy of voting him.

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Rand was one of those voting Scope day 3, so I'm not sure where BM's getting that he defended him.

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You telling people what to do now, theo. Wow, good for you.

There isn't much to my RA vote except that he has been scummy, and since no oner here but me and panzer are willing to lynch to true scum of amb, then RA is a fine lynch for today. That is unless you want the day to end in another no lynch.

Whats your problem? I asked you why your voting him, christ its page 55 you ought to have a reason! Why shouldn't I pull you up on it? Too many people seem happy to plod along post something and dissapear.

Fact that you have gone on the whole game without giving a shit aside from wanting Amb lynched frankly frustrates the hell out of me.

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River-Not so much in seeing he is scum. He was part of the Cheese,river,scope trio, but other than that he seems good.

Okay I think there's a few holes in that claim, mainly that both Rand's so called investigations are dead! But the above post from Day 2 - could be alluding to his result on River. I do however think you probably ought to reveal your last investigation Rand.

[/b]Unvote[/b]

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Bah

Unvote

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Rand that makes a lot sense considering the suspicion we had of each other yesterday . . . I'd expected you to have investigated me, N9V or Scope so again makes sense your third investigation.

This post also fits aswell

Nice OMGUS BM i'll bring my points against Theo today or tomorrow.

I've waited 21 days, do share your thoughts.

yeah, I was completely wrong about you being scummy.

Need to have a little re-read but for now.

Vote Jalyn

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Oh and I think your probably right Rand I'll die tonight so let's make sure we get a bona fide mafia scumbag today.

Don't like 1381 from N9V much. Why do you assume your dead now?

Scot, I read the tone of your response a little off, almost as if I'd badgered you into explaining more.

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Well, I'm highest on the list for votes.It was between me and Rand, so mabey thats why I'm gonna be dead b ythe end of this day.

Doesn't neccessarily mean you'll be dead, does it? It's still relatively early this day and we don't need to rush for a lynch, hell Blagho hasn't even posted yet this day phase and he's on my scum list.

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Anyways, if there is another cop, then yes they should. There is a chance based on the results posted that RA is lying. However, the timing of that decision should not be discussed.

I'm pretty happy with Rand as claimed cop. His investigations make sense yes two of them are dead but look at the logical facts -

Day One - Riverwind posted the no lynch issue, Rand found him suspicious, probably reason enough for an investigation.

Day Two - I ask Rand on his suspicions, he say's he's feeling happier about Riverwind, even though River had hardly done anything neccesarily pro-town at the time. Lowell was leading candidate for lynch so again reasonable investigation.

Day Three - Unfortunate that Lowell dies, but I cast suspicion on Rand and have him as one of my top two scum targets, he kind of posts an OMGUS argument back, doesn't post any reasons but obviously had some and again it would be a logical investiagtion for a cop, it's not as if enough people have found me scummy during the game.

Day Four - I ask Rand for his reasons why I'm suspicious, he posts he doesn't find me suspicious anymore, adds up to a clear investigation.

I'd say Rand is highly likely to be a cop, likely sane - possibly naive. Going to have an indepth read of Jalyn and OTU/Blagho, possibly IH somethings nagging me about him.

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Right there, you told me to elaborate on my vote. I'm sure if you really wanted me to, I can go back and look for a reason, but that has changed with RA's recent claim.

Yeh I'd like you to go back and look for your

so called reason

for the bandwagon vote. Irrelevant that Rand's claimed now, before hand you opted to vote him with no real basis for a vote from what I can tell. So yeh I think you ought to explain your vote pretty much.

I am the only one who actually cares about the town

and wants to lynch the most obvious scum out there, amb. You are all just blind to see this. I gave a well though out case, not to mention his play styles changed when I started casting suspicion in his way. I am frustrated with the town for not getting rid of him.

Bolded for emphasis, wonder how everyone else views this comment. The Amb/Scotmany argument in my eyes has been done to death and yeh I'm sick of it but I can't see a great case against Amb. I'd guess from memory I'd prefer to lynch you to him, however I'm all ears and will re-read your theory on Amb.

I might be switching to N9V soon. I'm going to reread tomorrow and see if I can come up with something.

Interesting that one considering N9V was the other wagon when you decided to vote Rand.

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Panzer bout time you tried looking for some real scum. Idiot.

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BM, that makes no sense because the last person who barely avoided a lynch due to deadline was Vanilla freakin' townie. That was Lowell. Which is why I seriously doubt N9V is scum. The guys who we should be worried about is Theo and K-scope, seeing those are the people who had their wagons completely derailed, K-scope's by Theo and people I can't remember and Theo's by Kelly Chen.

And something else Kelly actually was pretty much pushing my wagon the whole game not derailing it. You ought to go back and have a good re-read.

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Panzer - Please outline why lynching me is a good idea to test a claimed cop? Lemme point out Rand's got an innocent on me, I'll turn up innocent what the hell do we learn from that? That erm Rand's either sane, insane or a mafia scumbag who knew I'd be town. I think unless someone counterclaims we ought to take Rand as telling the truth. His investigations make sense from a town point of view, your constant dis-belief in his claim worries me.

And nope the last wagon on me, middle of Day 3 - Kelly Chen was onboard. I think Kelly's been pretty much anti-theo all game, mind she's come to her senses recently unlike you.

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QFT

unvote, vote: N9V

I think there is more reason to guess Scope is town than N9V. I'm not really excited about lynching either. But I don't want a NL and apparently a theopor_COD lynch is just not happening.

This was approaching a deadline.
Kelly hardly derailed my wagon.

Unvote, Vote Panzer

Too many fallacies, I point to the last time I corrected you. Here http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=1088

Just wanting to lynch a cops innocent result is another string in your bow.

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CDB - Can you prod Blagho, DoS and Scope - last posts nigh on 10 days ago, Blagho's case 20.

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Sorry for the fourth post in a row but just had a re-read. What does everyone make of BM this game? I'll post my thoughts when I've compiled em.

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DoS you hadn't posted for eleven days, not good enough, worthy of a prod.

I just see N9V as being the picked on kid at school. Yeh we'll learn some information with regard to his wagons during the game, but I'd much rather we went full out and lynched scum. Too many people are staying out of the limelight, fact that N9V keeps getting pushed into the spotlight, smacks off scum looking for the easy lynch. Plus I think whoever gets lynched we'll learn some information from so currently I'm not advocating an N9V lynch, I'd be happy with a Jalyn, Blahgo/OTU or Panzer lynch but not an N9V one.

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There are so many ways to get around that Fonz but for now we should let RA settle in as "cop". Right now I'm advocating a Theo lynch, a DoS lynch, an Amb lynch or a K-scope lynch.

So your happy to let Rand settle in as cop, yet you want to lynch his innocent result?

Yeh I think I'm more than happy where my vote is.

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Erm yeh okay when he's got an innocent on Riverwind and Lowell who were town, how do you work out that he's insane!!!!

He's sane, naive or talking out of his arse.

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Well if your town we still won't learn anything new will we. He's still either sane, naive or telling porkies. Panzer going back to your earlier suspicions why DoS?

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Where for art thou Jalyn?

Blagho needs a rocket up his ass.

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Rand care to comment on the reactions to your claim?

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Ok well we don't seem to be getting anywhere.

unvote

Panzer still acts and looks scummy to me, especially wanting to lynch me despite Rand's investigation, however as I've stated before Jalyn and Blahgo are more likely scum. Both have dissapeared which is annoying.

Everyone on the N9V lynch I want you to comment on what we wil learn from lynching him for information. i.e you say we will learn information from an N9V lynch well tell me now what we will learn from N9V's alignment, who you reckon is scum if he's turns up town and likewise who do you think his partners are if he turns up scum.

For now

Vote Jalyn

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Anyone else got round to doing them scumlists yet?

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We don't seem to be getting anywhere.

Mod: Can we have some prods and a votecount

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unvote, vote Scotmany12

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Hey, theo mind providing some reasoning? I really dislike it when people vote without give at least a little reason.

Also, I know I haven't really been active that much lately. Apologies. I'll try to get back into this game. Honestly, though, I'm a little fed up that Amb has not bee lynched yet.

Honestly I'm fed up with the Amb vs Scotmany argument. So I kinda looked at you both and felt which one I'd rather lynch you as you can guess came out the winner.

That first sentence is pretty ironic considering your vote on Rand a few pages back.

My other reason for voting you is mainly that some 50 pages ago we lynched a Godfather since then we've found out some townie alignments. So I looked at it again and your one of those who offered a little bit of defence for Livingod. Plus I knew voting for you would get you to post, cos you seem to be that kind of player who only posta when pressurised and having looked at your sum quota of posts I see nothing of benefit for the town.

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At the time you provided no reasons for your vote on Rand other than wanting a lynch, if you wanted a lynch why not N9V who was at -2?

Amb is going to have to wait. I feel like we have to lynch today, no matter what.

Unvote, Vote: RA

Ok going back to the Livingod lynch, do you think scum bussed him entirely or avoided the wagon kind of like you did?

I know I've discussed the lynch before with Fonz mainly re- Chibo's input and OTU's hammer but I'd like everyone's opinion on it and if voting you gets more particpation then that's good Scot. As I've stated before your not one of my top two suspects but like a few others I'd like to see you actively hunt scum - using logic not just the argument off Amb hopping from wagon to wagon (because I could bring up more than one person who's acted like that).

Amb's defended me at times from past recollection.

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I currently cannot see voting for scotmany.

Why not? Give me a good reason.

Note - that's twice you've stuck up for Scot in a fashion after I've attacked him without much gutso, could prove useful for later.

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I know when I was mafia in one game, I picked another player to defend

This is what I'm getting at Theo. I don't know if he defended anyone to this type of extent, but if he did, It would just be one more reason that he is scum.

Hmm. Maybe I should take another closer look at Amb.

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You know I just don't think Amb's scum, doesn't mean Scot deffo is, but I'd lean more towards Scot than Amb.

I've re-read pages 8-13 mainly where I behaved like a prize clown at one stage I managed to acquire 9 votes (lynch was 10) mainly through my own idioticy,

Going back we have Kelly's argument against me and her vote, then my lack of response and OMGUS, see I was new and stupid then
Then Twito votes (notice he was off with suspicion of Riverwind and Cheesefan), DoS votes, Scotmany votes, BM votes, Chibo votes (note his last input was re-the Livingod lynch completely the opposite to this vote), Scope votes, Cheese votes - then we stop voting hits 8 BM unvotes (townie points there) - Riverwind votes back up to 8, OTU puts me at lynch -1

Vote, Theopor_C0D

After seeing Kelly list off all of his posts, I read through those and he looked pretty scummy then, and after he would just vote for Kelly no even giving a reason. That's pretty scummy. Also sorry for not being active recently school's hit me hard.

Mind I really don't like this little post from DoS especially with me being on the hill

Hey Riverwind if you really want to vote theopor you have to unvote BM first! Just something I thought might interest you! (ChannelDelibird says so).

Amb's input during this stage was . . .

BTW. I'm still happy with my single lonely vote out there on its own...

Rand is good, scum i could see piling on, he doesn't

Vote:BM

the only reason your defending him is because the three people who voted you are voting for him? Yeah right, your scum.

Hence more reason for him to be telling the truth re- recent claim, which I believe.

Lo and behold I post a response to Kelly Chen and Riverwind puts me up to nine, he's town mind. ~n9v~ seems eager to hammer but does at least ask for a claim unlike OTU in Livingod's lynch.

Twito unvotes and the wagon dissipates, anyway to recap we've actually got two pretty decent wagons to look at the one on Livingod and then the one on me, yep I played like an idiot but I'm still confident scum joined that wagon, fact Amb didn't makes me think he's more likely town than not.

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Looking at the two wagons I've put in Rand and myself as Green, mainly because I'm obviously innocent and Rand's got an innocent on me and I believe his claim. The dead are in aswell. Scot, OTU/Blahgo and Chibo/Jalyn all stand out - I'd be content lynching one of these three today.

Reasons why them three stick out like sore thumbs - all hop on the Theo wagon and yep I was acting like an idiot but they didn't need much persuading, others like Amb, BM and Rand were looking for other possible lynches. Plus none are overly for the Livingod lynch - yes OTU hammers but 1) he doesn't wait for a claim - 2) I can see scum hammering. You know if OTU/Blagho is scum then I'll need to take a closer look at Yellowbounder/Al_ko/Fonz aswell.

Livingod

- 11 (Amb, Twito, DragonsofSummer, Kelly Chen, water_foul, ~N9V~, KaleiÐoscøpe,

Riverwind23, Cheesefan, spectrumvoid

, OverTheUnder)
Twito- 2 (yellowbounder, scotmany12)
DragonsofSummer- 2 (

phita23

, Shamrock)
Kelly Chen- 2 (

Livingod

, Battle Mage)

Riverwind23

- 1 (

Rand Althor

)

Not voting (2): Chibo,

theopor_COD

theopor_COD

- 9 (Kelly Chen, Twito, DragonsofSummer, scotmany12, Chibo, KaleiÐoscøpe,

Cheesefan, Riverwind

, OverTheUnder)
Battle Mage- 1 (

Rand Althor

)
Twito- 1 (Amb)
Kelly Chen- 1 (

theopor_COD

)

Cheesefan

- 1 (Battle Mage)

Not voting (5): Shamrock,

phita23

, yellowbounder, water_foul, ~N9V~

Anyway town lets discuss.

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Scot you know I'd be less suspicious of you if you attacked others instead of defence all the time. I know why you voted me, at the time Kelly Chen made a decent argument against me and I failed to respond to any of it and voted her, basically I sucked bigstyle, however that gave scum a chance to hop on to another wagon. Amb didn't which is a plus point, do you not agree? As for the LG lynch I'm with you on the reasoning as I didn't vote him and probably wouldn't have - at least not without a claim, so yeh I can see some bussing going on.

Livingod- 11 (Amb, Twito, DragonsofSummer, Kelly Chen, water_foul, ~N9V~, KaleiÐoscøpe, Riverwind23, Cheesefan, spectrumvoid, OverTheUnder)

theopor_COD- 9 (Kelly Chen, Twito, DragonsofSummer, scotmany12, Chibo, KaleiÐoscøpe, Cheesefan, Riverwind, OverTheUnder)

Out of the others on them early wagons.

Twito was on both - pretty aggressively towards Livingod, Amb pulls up a case somewhere for Twito bussing LG, he however pretty much stops my lynch so for that alone I'm viewing him pro-town

Cheesefan and Riverwind - on both were town

DoS - early vote on Livingod, pretty much an OMGUS thing espeically as his wagon was the other one, his vote on me is reasonable enough although as I point out above I don't like his quote where he wants Riverwind to correct his vote. He's seemed okay but maybe I ought to review.

Kelly Chen - on both pretty Aggressively towards LG, pulls up the whole case against me - could well be worth looking at in greater detail.

Waterfoul nee IH - just votes LG that is all. Not much can be gleaned from him.

Amb - Votes LG, doesn't join the Theo wagon actively avoids it . . . hmm would scum do that? I'm thinking probably not when I was acting so damn stupidly.

~n9v~ - late vote on Livingod possible bussing. Does post that he wants a claim from me before hammering (this despite me already claiming previous)

Scope - Heavily aggressive towards Livingod, pretty much an afterthought to join my wagon still wants to lynch BM at the time - similar to Cheese who was town

Chibo - avoids the LG lynch, hops on Theo wagon

OTU - Late hammer on LG, 9th vote on me little reason really, doesn't seem an overly pro-town move.


Anyway out of that lot the three names that ping most are yours, Chibo's and OTU's - but I'd stick my neck out more and say Chibo/OTU are more likely scum - infact if/when Blagho posts I'll put pressure his way. Kelly and DoS probably need looking at in depth.

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Exactly what I was thinking.

Kelly what do you make of that early Livingod lynch? The players on it, the players off - now we know a few alignments.

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We need more scumhunting.

Everyone please post thoughts on the two wagons I raised and those players off them, I don't want us to all sit here and amble along towards another deadline -infact someone could have a closer look at those players not participating at yesterdays lynch aswell, I may do if I find time. kthxbai.

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Thats whats making it hard. Too many still alive. Once the numbers drop, it becomes much easier to focus.

Nope what's making life hard is the fact so many people are failing to contribute.

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BM is correct, either way some more input would be nice - DoS I've not got a beef about any of the votes on me back then, don't get worried lol, I've stated I acted like an idiot but I reached lynch -1 so it's worth looking at the wagon like the LG wagon.

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That's okay Scot although I'd like your opinion on Amb with regard to the wagon on me at the beginning of Day Two.

For now

unvote

, I want to see more opinions before I commit 100%, however CDB pls get Blagho to post or replace him, especially as he's one of my top three or four suspects.

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Hmm welcome TCS. My suspicion of OTU/Blagho doesn't die down with your replacement but hello all the same.

For now I'm going to return to one of my other suspects, especially being as she'd say she'd post and has continually decided to lurk.

vote jalyn

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Nice try scum. Maybe you missed the bit where Rand revealed his innocent.

Plus I don't even recall a Scotmany wagon of such. Point it out.

What do you make of OTU/Blagho's behaviour.

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No problems.

My main beef with OTU was the hammer - without waiting for a claim.
Then his 9th vote on me a quick time after yeh I was playing like a complete clown then but all the same.
After that he did little but lurk, Blagho was totally useless.

I've looked at the Livingod scum wagon and still don't seem to be any closer to finding the big scum cuplrits. I do however agree that Twito if anyone was bussing could have been doing so, mind the way he slowed my wagon gives me a better feeling about him - although if was scum he may have left the wagon to appear in a better shade of light when my identity was revealed.

What I will say is TCS your introduction has brought an influx of posts so that's great stuff.

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Out of the people on that wagon, the only one I can

totally rule out

is Kelly Chen. I think she has been pretty pro town the whole game.

Totally rule out seems a little strong. I think she has some made some decent points but I'm not viewing her as stonewall townie.
1 - I'd have expected her to be actively pursuing scum more than she is.
2 - She's probably the most experienced player so the fact she hasn't been targeted at night, still leaves a question mark over her. She is currently voting Jalyn so that is a plus point for her.

I think jayln has been helpful up till now.

Ok point out where pls.

Its between Chibo, Panzer, and BM. Right now I'll put BM and Panzer as the other two.

Interesting so your main suspects are Panzer, BM, DoS and Amb?

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Amb there was one bottom of Page 62.

TCS what do you make of BM?

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Scope isn't confirmed town yet.

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TCS thoughts on Jalyn?

Out of the candidates - I think n9v will probably reveal the most information wise, he hasn't helped his case much, has managed to avoid a couple of lynches but etc. Scotmany I have my suspicions off, Jalyn's come under the spotlight and completely dissapeared. Twito would be a stab in the dark.

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Jalyn needs to post.

I want to hear her thoughts she's only really attacked me since start of day three, I want some content.

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I tell you what lets have everyones top three scum suspects. I asked about 20 pages for analysis on everyone it didn't happen on the whole, maybe top three will get us nearer a solid lynch.

1. Jalyn
2. Scotmany/Panzer/TCS or n9v

I could expand on this but Jalyn is my ideal lynch for today. Gonna have a close look at IH and Panzer

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unvote, vote n9v

Sadly, I think this is probably the only lynch we'll end up agreeing on by the deadline.

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I'd like a Panzer prod.

n9v anything more to comment on?

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I agree its completely pathetic that we cannot agree on a lynch.

Someone has to be lynched today.

Everyone please back a horse - 8 people voted n9v yesterday, 6 people already voted earlier today. He's doing very little to appear helpful,. Lets kill him.