It means that your "oh Nacho wasn't as engaged as the rest of the town" bit was actually a bunch of bullshit.
In post 6496, penguin_alien wrote:Wagoning a townie when you weren't sure you could get red scum lynched doesn't speak to your towniness.
I didn't offer to flashwagon Peregrine, I didn't offer to flashwagon Marangal, I didn't offer to flashwagon Ffullisade... you know, all of those people who were actually confirmed town. You were pretty much confirmed blue yesterday, hence why I offered to flashwagon you over Bulbazak yesterday. What would you have done in my position as town? Accepted the mislynch?
In post 6496, penguin_alien wrote:Not following what you're saying about one blue and one red scum. At what point in the game are you talking about, and how is it relevant?
You accused me of knowing there was one blue and one red scum in that wonderful case on me before everyone else did. That's mostly where the relevancy lies.
Again, look at your case on me.
In post 6496, penguin_alien wrote:I seem to recall you pushing for a PV lynch before a CTD lynch that day. In fact I seem to recall this:
So? How is this relevant to my interactions with CTD at all painting me as blue scum? I pushed him. He got lynched. He flipped scum. You didn't end up doing the same thing.
In post 6496, penguin_alien wrote:being your vote history that day, whereas I was discouraging a PV lynch. Why wouldn't you try to get town cred bussing your partner when there wasn't any other choice left? You went for PV first.
Because I... still had options left? I could have mislynched you, I could have mislynched HD, I didn't have to bring up the neighborhood symmetry bullshit clearing PV...
In post 6496, penguin_alien wrote:I don't know Red Ryu, but it seems quite feasible that he would fake-tunnel you, setting you up to take him down later. As far as thezmon221 goes, I think I've explained quite sufficiently why I found it hard to swallow that he would fake a Universal Back-Up claim as scum given the events of Street Racers in the at-the-time recent past. If I knew he was fake-claiming from the start, why engage with it? I think it was pretty clear that he was going down. Your vote for him:
Fake-tunneling when I'm one of the stronger scum partners seems less feasible than RVS distancing, don't you think? It was HARD TO SWALLOW that thez would fakeclaim universal backup after seeing Mini Librarian coast with a Universal Backup? You didn't find it strange that he was wagonned and claimed Universal Backup right after Street Racers? Sure, you could have bussed him because you thought it was clear he was going down, but you thought that if he claimed it properly and if you pushed the whole "oh he wouldn't fakeclaim this right after Street Racers" shit that maybe you could save him.
In post 6496, penguin_alien wrote:Which was clearly appeasing Bacde. No comment on thezmon221 until quite a few posts later, at which point you repeat others' arguments. No town credit; more like you warding off Bacde.
Warding off Bacde by sheeping him onto a scumbuddy on giving him more credibility. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
In post 6496, penguin_alien wrote:I never said any of these were definite blue kills aside from Syryana (which is probably the last relevant one, given that blue scum had four members left at that point) Interesting that those are the ones you chose to address. But no comment on Ms Marangal/AK-slot?
but you implied they were likely blue kills and tried to push me for it
I find it interesting how you don't address any of those reasonings! Maybe if you refute those, I might answer your Marangal question.
In post 6496, penguin_alien wrote:Quite frankly I don't buy that mastin2 would let inside knowledge of an ongoing game he's modding influence anything else. And whatever else their experience may be, they were misreading you here, and given your statements yesterday it makes complete sense that you'd want them dead today before they could rethink things.
No? You don't think this game exists in mastin's mind? You think he just separated it from himself entirely because it's ongoing? Nope. We don't talk about ongoings, but they clearly factor into how we think about games.
You also don't explain why I would posture for a ffullisade kill and try to WIFOM peregrine as opposed to posture for a Peregrine kill and try to WIFOM ffullisade.
You still haven't addressed how it makes sense that I wouldn't view them as a threat for 8 straight game days and then suddenly kill them because I'm afraid they will see right through me in LyLo.
In post 6496, penguin_alien wrote:Yeah, I'm going to coach someone more experienced than me when I'm a lousy scum player when they're fake-claiming. Scum-me would put her head down and hope to ignore the whole thing.
It was an obvious mistake on his part; there was no reason for you to not to correct it.
In post 6496, penguin_alien wrote:So all that time and you maintained the position that Baby Spice's posting wasn't ultimately scummy, my interaction with thezmon221 wasn't scummy, but now it's what you go to? Not likely.
I called you town.
And then, with more information, I called you scum?
Sorry, you can't handwave everything away because I called you town once upon a time.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.