NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV replaces Kdowns!

Hi guys. Just coming in, but have other games, so will be reading, but any recaps are welcome.

Unvote.

[PeregrineV]

UP to page 4. Liking it so far.

[PeregrineV]

Hate Sunday prods- more tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

can we get a vc up in hurr

Caught up, but let's start with seconding this.

@Producer-1 vc per page or real day, please

I agree with case on Dram, and feel that he's been here long enough to know that his claim in this thread would be checked out, so saying the truth(?-407) prior to being called out on it is preferable. But, if he continues his activity in this caught up game, I'd rather lynch elsewhere.

As to where...well, I have to look at the wagons and the voters on them, since I detect a distinct lack of real reasons. And you guys are all new to me, so kind of blur together at this point (no offense).

[PeregrineV]

except maybe petapan, who has been sort of hiding by tunneling ZONEACE. If I didn't think ZONEACE was a good wagon I'd be more scrupulous of petapan as he is actively reducing the number of players he is interacting with, which can be a viable scum strategy

Is there anyone else tunneling anyone?

[PeregrineV]

That helps a little, but no vote right now. Want to check into some of these wagons first.

[PeregrineV]

at least one scum has their vote parked on someone with no other votes. all townies parking their votes thusly should stop wasting their time, make one last pitch to get others to your cause or join mine, the most righteous cause.

vote zepher 2013

Fair enough. I like the players on Grey better for town. I think.

Vote: Greygnarl

[PeregrineV]

I dont usually get this... Hominemy in a game, but for fuck's sake, every post wind-up makes is a steaming pile of shit and it's getting ridiculous. Everyone who disagrees with this lynch is my buddy guys, better hop on before it's too late!

Hypothetically, if you were scum this game with wind-up, would you bus him?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Dram

Seems like a result to me.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Dram

Seems like a result to me.

Sounds like you are incorrect.

Who would you recommend?

[PeregrineV]

@Mod- VLA for 2/22 to Monday 2/25.

[PeregrineV]

I should be more specific. What do you need from the opposing wagons to convince you to move your vote? This is to everyone really. Because if it's hopeless and everyone is already set on who they are voting for and there's no budging then I'm replacing out. Because I don't want to be around when this game comes to a screeching halt just because everyone is done scumhunting because they are so certain ONE PLAYER is scum. It's fucking stupid and like I said pages ago, I'm done herding cats.

I'll vote for your choice if you post a funny picture.

[PeregrineV]

I can't seem to hold a conversation with anyone this game.
@Zephyr- aside from stopping me from juicing up your wagon with my vote, how/why am I town?

[PeregrineV]

Gut read based on meta.

Hmmm. I got lots of meta. Which games are you mostly referring to?

While you explain that, who is scum again?

[PeregrineV]

1v1s are entirely anti-town so I would suggest against that.

@PV 658 not much has changed. I'm concerned about wind-up these pages.
Also it's honestly just going off of what I saw from fairly oddparents mafia... which in hindsight is probably a bad game to choose from.

Yeah my

retarded

ill-thought out lynch day1 was not very amusing.

[PeregrineV]

The difference between Zoneace and I is that Zoneace needs to recognize that he is apart of the problem. And needs to adjust his play accordingly to post more reads, elaborate on to why he thinks people are scummy or town, things like that. But rather than even consider for one second that he's wrong, Zoneace would rather just call the rest of us dumbshits or scum because we just can't see how horribly obvious it is that Bacde and I are scum, when I have by nature of my breadcrumbing PROVED that I am not.

Zoneace is wrong, and needs to accept that he is wrong. Otherwise I fully plan to make good on my promise to 1VS1 Zoneace for the entire rest of this game until one of us is dead.

I'm all for you taking him to task for his playstyle. But, since it's probably not going to change right this instant, probably best to move onto finding scum.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: JacobSavage

[PeregrineV]

We can do that tomorrow, can we just lynch Zepher.

Hmmmm.

Why?

[PeregrineV]

more zepher votes, when zepher flips scum we lynch peregrine next

Hmmmmm.

Why?

[PeregrineV]

more zepher votes, when zepher flips scum we lynch peregrine next

Hmmmmm.

Why?

driving the most viable zepher counterwagon

Do you mean "trying to derail?"

[PeregrineV]

It's weekend, but I plan to stay semi-connected to a computer.

[PeregrineV]

Sixteen players and 3 posts by 3 players today? C'mon peeps, get in here.

[PeregrineV]

I don't want to call it a prod dodge, but that's what this is while I catch up on work.

[PeregrineV]

OK, back from work and catching up today.

Some little looking over of Knowa I did means

Vote: Dramonic

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Dramonic

Actually the change between 637 and 643 with the accusatory language of considering only me!scum while not trying to figure out my intent or motivation is pretty bad. I'm actually having a hard time figuring out if you are bad Town or Scum, Smash.

rofl is right though, lining up mislynches is pretty scummy. Saying that I'll lynch X and then Y independent of each others alignment is not Town. Then the only reason I see for a scum read on a number of the people you listed is because they are anti-your-views. Sadly, this is not indicative of alignment. The "Teollie was killed so he wouldn't be able to stop a Dramonic push" is awful.

dramonic's D1 was pretty self-serving and safe to me. His early D2 play hasn't screamed Town either. I'm happy with my vote for now. I'll have to go back and see what is what in this mess.

Cases are overrated. You're scum.

Nope, it's still there.

[PeregrineV]

Also I would not be surprised if Oversoul is scum, Oversoul replaced Go, right? Go "nabbing" MrZepher as scum on page 1 or two looked suspicious as hell

I'm thinking at least one of HD/Oversoul is scum

I dunno why I'm really voting NS lol

probably because he seems to prefer mustard to the obviously superior ketchup

Postcount means absolutely nothing, since I feel that even though I definitely have a rampant inactivity problem this game, I try to put as much content into every post I actually make, while other people can make dozens of posts where they actually say absolutely nothing. I'm not saying I'm not part of the problem, but postcount is never a way to judge this.

Anyway, on to the actual game. Yes, I did consider the scum just targeting Konowa. He was just as inactive as I was, and what he did post didn't seem like it could be dangerous or hard to get lynched if the need arose. The scum being afraid of Smashbard seemed much more likely.

And Bacde, do you actually find NS to be scummy right now, or do you really not know why you're voting him?

I actually find NS scummy but I think probably oversoul is a better lynch for today

We are still in the discussion phase of today so I'm not too worried about where specifically my vote is atm

Are you really voting NS, calling HD/Oversoul scum, and then voting me?

Thoughts on Dramonic?
Thoughts on Konowa's reads.

[PeregrineV]

Dram could be town, I'm not really interested in Konowa's reads, and yes I'm voting you despite having called HD/Oversoul probably scum

Konowa either died because scum didn't want him around, or he protected town. Why would you not care about his reads?

[PeregrineV]

I'm in agreement with Bacde in terms of Konowa's reads; it's unlikely they'll be useful if Konowa wasn't killed directly, and there's no way to tell for certain whether he was or wasn't.

Bacde, can I interest you in an

VOTE: Oversoul

wagon?

No. If he had strong scumreads and strong townreads then they can be useful. He probably protected his strong townread (you know, in case he died and we looked at his ISO), or scum targeted him for his scumread (unless scum just naturally hates him).

[PeregrineV]

1) If you believe that scum targeted me and Konowa just happened to be protecting me, do you think there are any specific people you can think of who would want me dead? And not just in a way that is like, "Duh you were breadcrumbing a role and anyone scum would want you dead". I mean, could there be any other motivations for a particular player to want me dead?

This is like the next level of work to do. Was hoping you'd have a better idea of who you think are scum than I do.

or 2) If you believe Konowa was just targeted directly, which specific people do you feel would be most likely wanting Konowa dead? Think of it this way, if Mr. Zepher killed TheTrollie because Trollie had a scumread on Zepher and nothing else, is there similar evidence to support that the scum team are just doing equally obvious moves and killed Konowa for the same reasons as Trollie?

This is the reason I'm voting Dram.

[PeregrineV]

Why would I kill konowa as scum?
its not like he was pushing on me with more than the feeblest of attempts.
Like, if I were into killing my voters, id have shot wind-up already?

About the same pressure Trollie was applying and he was killed.

[PeregrineV]

@PeregrineV, I have good ideas as to who I believe are scum. But it's based solely on gut and WIFOM.

Doesn't matter if Konowa died protecting you. Good cases are what makes town follow you, but scum would kill you more for the suspicion of them over the strength of your cases on them.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry for absence -more later today.

[PeregrineV]

RANDOM FACT: Despite ALW's misconception regarding the issue, Evita did not in fact sing very often, and when she did it melodically made a decent amount of sense.

Go -

1

[L-9]

Human Destroyer
MrZepher -

5

[L-5]

TheTrollie, roflcopter, Konowa, wind-up, Go
Bacde -

4

[L-6]

KingdomAces, Nobody Special, ZONEACE, greygnarl
Nobody Special -

1

[L-9]

ActionDan
Smashbard -

1

[L-9]

dramonic
JacobSavage -

1

[L-9]

KingdomAces
Dramonic -

4

[L-6]

Smashbard, Bacde, MrZepher, Petapan

NOT VOTING:

PeregrineV

WITH [18] ALIVE IT TAKES [10] TO LYNCH
DEADLINE:

(expired on 2013-02-14 21:30:00)

RANDOM FACT: EVITA IS NO MORE

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MrZepher -

1

[L-9]

TheTrollie
Bacde -

1

[L-9]

ZONEACE
Nobody Special -

1

[L-9]

ActionDan
Dramonic -

2

[L-8]

MrZepher, wind-up
petapan-

1

[L-9]

greygnarl

greygnarl - 10

[L-0]

Human Destroyer, Bacde, Nobody Special, PeregrineV, petapan, Konowa, roflcopter, Smashbard, JacobSavage, Dramonic <<<HAMMER

NOT VOTING:

Go, KingdomAces

WITH [18] ALIVE IT TAKES [10] TO LYNCH
DEADLINE:

(expired on 2013-02-14 21:30:00)

First task will be to see what happened in these 8-10 pages. How did the greygnarl counterwagon develop?

Anyone already know?

[PeregrineV]

New avatar = new energy for this game

Vote: NS

I think this lynch is the way to go

Good idea. I think it may have been hard to take a worm in an apple seriously.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: HD

Once again the shift away from Dramonic.

[PeregrineV]

@Nobody Special- You have any other instances where you did not action as a town PR? Especially multiple nights?

[PeregrineV]

Pretty sure, yes. Let me go searching.....

Any luck?

[PeregrineV]

RANDOM FACT:

I'm not going to bother to post from the alt account! Yay!

Votecount

Nobody Special -

5

[L-3]

Oversoul, ZONEACE, ActionDan, Smashbard, JacobSavage
HumanDestroyer -

6

[L-2]

Dramonic, petapan, PeregrineV, roflcopte, Bacde, wind-up
ActionDan -

2

[L-6]

Nobody Special, Human Destroyer

NOT VOTING: KingdomAces

PRODS FOR: ActionDan, Human Destroyer, and ZONEACE

WITH [14] ALIVE IT TAKES [8] TO LYNCH
DEADLINE:

(expired on 2013-03-21 16:00:00)

RANDOM FACT:

I don't remember what today's show was,
because I didn't expect to have to take over like this,
but somebody post reminding me and I'll get y'all some flavor!

(also, pretend that was a song lyric - that's why it's arranged like that)

Votecount

Nobody Special -

6

[L-2]

Oversoul, ZONEACE, ActionDan, Smashbard, JacobSavage, Human Destroyer
HumanDestroyer -

6

[L-2]

Dramonic, petapan, PeregrineV, roflcopte, wind-up, Nobody Special
ActionDan -

1

[L-7]

KingdomAces

NOT VOTING: Bacde

PRODS FOR: PeregrineV

WITH [14] ALIVE IT TAKES [8] TO LYNCH
DEADLINE:

(expired on 2013-03-21 16:00:00)

RANDOM FACT:

MattP has been demoted to Neutral Survivor, Modkilled, recruited as Moderator, and simultaneously stumped. Enjoy.

Votecount

Nobody Special -

7

^[L-1]

Oversoul, ZONEACE, ActionDan, Smashbard, JacobSavage, Human Destroyer, Bacde

HumanDestroyer -

6

[L-2]

Dramonic, petapan, PeregrineV, roflcopte, wind-up, Nobody Special
ActionDan -

1

[L-7]

KingdomAces

NOT VOTING: mith

PRODS FOR: Dramonic

WITH [14] ALIVE IT TAKES [8] TO LYNCH
DEADLINE:

(expired on 2013-03-21 16:00:00)

RANDOM FACT:

Oooooh deadline's approaching and people are voting other people!
Let's see if Maestro can find the Role Distribution PM in time to make a flip tomorrow!

...

The suspense is

KILLING

me!

Votecount

Nobody Special -

6

^[L-2] Oversoul, ZONEACE, ActionDan, Smashbard, Human Destroyer, Bacde

HumanDestroyer -

7

^[L-1] Dramonic, petapan, PeregrineV, roflcopte, wind-up, Nobody Special, JacobSavage

ActionDan -

1

[L-7]

KingdomAces

NOT VOTING: nada

PRODS FOR: nope

WITH [14] ALIVE IT TAKES [8] TO LYNCH
DEADLINE:

(expired on 2013-03-21 16:00:00)

RANDOM FACT:

MattP's back so he can do some marvelous flavor after the flip now! Yay!

Votecount

Nobody Special -

6

^[L-2] Oversoul, ZONEACE, ActionDan, Smashbard, Human Destroyer

HumanDestroyer -

8

^[L-0] Dramonic, petapan, PeregrineV, roflcopte, wind-up, Nobody Special, JacobSavage, Bacde

ActionDan -

1

[L-7]

KingdomAces

NOT VOTING: nada

PRODS FOR: nope

WITH [14] ALIVE IT TOOK [8] TO LYNCH

Human Destroyer was Lynched. He was a

Mafia RoleCop

EVERYONE SHUT UP AND WAIT FOR MATTP/DR. PRODUCER - I CAN'T LOCK THE THREAD

For my reference later. Because with this and the Zephyr and Day1 lynches, we should be able to glean info.

[PeregrineV]

Eh, unfortunately it's too late now for me. I've already fucked up too much. Luckily the rest of the town seems to have no trouble lynching scum despite my railroading due to always thinking the target is town. Except for Zepher, I always thought he was scum. Just thought that Zoneace was more scum than Zepher.

Human Destroyer was well and truly an example of a guy that I had an absolutely solid, irrefutable town read on. Which is the biggest reason why my confidence is shattered. I just don't understand how I could be SO OFF BASE.

But I have too much pride to just replace out in shame. So I'm gonna finish up my time in this game and move on.

Switch tacks, since being wrong ain't a crime if your a mason. Whatever way you were sucmhunting, try a different way.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: HD

Once again the shift away from Dramonic.

Votes for HD for no reason

brings up Dramonic for no reason

@Nobody Special- You have any other instances where you did not action as a town PR? Especially multiple nights?

Grills NS even though he is voting for HD

Is not supportive of NS, despite voting for HD

I think we found us a scumbag

lol...you caught me actually scumhunting this game. Better lynch me now.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: HD

Once again the shift away from Dramonic.

Votes for HD for no reason

To join a wagon that was moving, and because you thought he was scum, remember?

brings up Dramonic for no reason

@Nobody Special- You have any other instances where you did not action as a town PR? Especially multiple nights?

Grills NS even though he is voting for HD

Is not supportive of NS, despite voting for HD

I think we found us a scumbag

Bolded is mine, added links.

Just because I'm not that into this game, doesn't make me a moron.

Vote: Bcade

Hey guys, so my role PM says that I am

Mafia

, and I intend on winning this game, so if you could point me to the nearest ML wagon I'd love to hop on and get this game finished

[PeregrineV]

Hey guys, so my role PM says that I am

Mafia

, and I intend on winning this game, so if you could point me to the nearest ML wagon I'd love to hop on and get this game finished

Endorsed by the Mafia Rolecop

Bacde-town
Bacde-scum

This looks more like Bacde town tbh

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine you are forgetting that I switched my vote over onto the scum wagon at the last second--making me not a good lynch for today

You aren't looking for towncred for hammering scum, are you?

Cause Zephyr hammered himself, and Human Destroyer was number 7 on his wagon.

[PeregrineV]

@mod- V/LA Mar 29 to Apr 1

[PeregrineV]

zepher and smash are actually the best vig targets. if zepher flips scum human destroyer dies next.

Hi my name is Roflcopter and I didn't die N1 despite people townreading me and this lovely and perfectly correct read.

hmmmm.

Vote: Roflcopter

are you actually serious with this nonsense?

more actiondan votes

What if our nonsense is serious though

your nonsense is just plain stupidity. actiondan's nonsense is because he is scum and needs someone to buy his "hd was power bussed" bullshit to have a chance.

I actually agree with ActionDan's point. However an Iso of rofl shows some scumhunting, whatever minimalistic style he uses.

Another person that had Zephyr/HD scumreads was Go.

Vote: Oversoul

[PeregrineV]

In addition, HD votes Go, and becomes the 2nd person on the wagon in day1.

TheTrollie -

1

[L-9]

wind-up
ActionDan -

1

[L-9]

MrZepher
ZONEACE -

4

[L-6]

TheTrollie, JacobSavage, Bacde, petapan
Go -

3

[L-7]

kdowns, Human Destroyer, Smashbard
MrZepher -

1

[L-9]

dramonic
Bacde -

3

[L-7]

KingdomAces, Nobody Special, ZONEACE
Human Destroyer -

1

[L-9]

Go
Nobody Special -

1

[L-9]

ActionDan

NOT VOTING:

Konowa, roflcopter, greygnarl

WITH [18] ALIVE IT TAKES [10] TO LYNCH
DEADLINE:

(expired on 2013-02-14 21:30:00)

In day2, he becomes the 2nd person on the Zephyr wagon.

RANDOM FACT: Aaron Tveit is hot

Votecount

MrZepher -

5

[L-3]

JacobSavage, Human Destroyer, Bacde, roflcoper, Nobody Special
ZONEACE-

3

[L-5]

Oversoul, petapan, Konowa
Nobody Special -

1

[L-7]

ActionDan
Dramonic -

1

[L-7]

PeregrineV
JacobSavage-

1

[L-7]

MrZepher
ActionDan-

1

[L-7]

KingdomAces
Oversoul-

1

[L-7]

wind-up
petapan-

1

[L-7]

ZONEACE

NOT VOTING:

Dramonic

WITH [16] ALIVE IT TAKES [

9

8] TO LYNCH
DEADLINE:

(expired on 2013-03-03 10:30:00)

PRODS:KingdomAces, Dramonic, Roflcopter, Nobody Special, JacobSavage, and Human Destroyer have all been prodded.

And yes, I know these are snapshots, but after leading the day1 mislynch on greygnarl, I think HD would look for towncred by lynching scum (like he tried day1).

[PeregrineV]

Votecount

MrZepher

-

1

[L-9]

TheTrollie

Bacde -

1

[L-9]

ZONEACE

Nobody Special

-

1

[L-9]

ActionDan

Dramonic

-

2

[L-8]

MrZepher

,

wind-up

petapan-

1

[L-9]

greygnarl

greygnarl

- 10

[L-0]

Human Destroyer

, Bacde,

Nobody Special

,

PeregrineV

, petapan,

Konowa

, roflcopter, Smashbard, JacobSavage,

Dramonic

NOT VOTING:

Go-Oversoul, KingdomAces

The first lynch of day1

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: petapan

I think we can break this game today.

You've never given a reason for voting him, other that his playstyle irritates you. And he occupies a third of all your votes made.

Where is your case for why he is scum, not just "let's lynch him regardless of alignment."

[PeregrineV]

I'm Vanilla Town.

Vote: Petapan

[PeregrineV]

Votecount

MrZepher

-

1

[L-9]

TheTrollie

Bacde

-

1

[L-9]

ZONEACE

Nobody Special

-

1

[L-9]

ActionDan

Dramonic

-

2

[L-8]

MrZepher

,

wind-up

petapan

-

1

[L-9]

greygnarl

greygnarl

- 10

[L-0]

Human Destroyer

,

Bacde

,

Nobody Special

,

PeregrineV

,

petapan

,

Konowa

, roflcopter,

Smashbard

, JacobSavage,

Dramonic

NOT VOTING:

Go-Oversoul,

KingdomAces

The first lynch of day1

Bad-ass update.

[PeregrineV]

Nobody Special

-

6

[L-2]

Oversoul,

ZONEACE

,

ActionDan,

Smashbard

, JacobSavage,

Human Destroyer

HumanDestroyer

-

6

[L-2]

Dramonic

,

petapan

,

PeregrineV

, roflcopte,

wind-up, Nobody Special

ActionDan

-

1

[L-7]

KingdomAces

NOT VOTING:

Bacde

WITH [14] ALIVE IT TAKES [8] TO LYNCH

Nobody Special

-

6

^[L-2] Oversoul,

ZONEACE

,

ActionDan

, S

mashbard

,

Human Destroyer

HumanDestroyer

-

8

^[L-0]

Dramonic

,

petapan

,

PeregrineV

,

roflcopte

,

wind-up, Nobody Special

,

JacobSavage

,

Bacde

ActionDan

-

1

[L-7]

KingdomAces

NOT VOTING: nada

WITH [14] ALIVE IT TOOK [8] TO LYNCH

Human Destroyer was Lynched. He was a Mafia RoleCop

EVERYONE SHUT UP AND WAIT FOR MATTP/DR. PRODUCER - I CAN'T LOCK THE THREAD

For my reference later. Because with this and the Zephyr and Day1 lynches, we should be able to glean info.

Updated. I think Oversoul is more likely partner based on above, but will check ISOs later.

[PeregrineV]

Before we quick lynch Peta can we discuss how we're going to move forward. There's still some work for the town to do.

We still have to rout out 1 scum.

After peta is dead we'll be at 7-1, with 4 of those 7 confirmed town.

We're looking at Pere, Rofl, OS and Jacob as our pool containing the last scum.

Sure. At this point my preferred order is
Oversoul
Jacob
Rofl
me

[PeregrineV]

KingdomAces - Day Mason
Smashbard - Day Mason

JacobSavage -Vanilla Townie

roflcopter - Vanilla Townie

petapan - Mafia

Oversoul - Vanilla Townie

ZONEACE - Gunsmith

PeregrineV - Vanilla Townie

Bacde - Unclaimed

Updated claims

since I might die tonight
these are my townreads from a quick reread of the beginning of the game

So, even though you are the last to claim, you don't claim?

And you somehow think you will be killed tonight over the Mason, the other Mason, and the Gunsmith?

I really need all these questions answered, as this entire post makes no sense from a town PoV.

[PeregrineV]

hi okay this is a complete bullshit fakeclaim and a simple look at the setup should be enough to tell you that he's making it out of desperation because he knows his time is up otherwise and wants to get one more mislynch off

gunsmith is effectively a cop in this setup, we've already had 3 PRs flip + masons in an 18 player setup. that's slightly above a mini, but essentially masons are so powerful in most small setups they get used as a replacement for an investigative role, having them side by side is essentially gamebreaking given the possibility of producing a ludicrous amount of clear town

we've already had jailkeeper flip which is a pseudo-investigative role as well as bodyguard plus a dayvig, even if you discount the protective roles it would be possible to have 6/7 players cleared as town by day 4 of the game with 12 alive and a vig shot, which is literal autowin - that's worst case scenario for scum but yeah a gunsmith would be ludicrously overpowered do i need to build a case here as to why he's scum or are we just going to sheep the claim without a regard for setup balance

So, you are contending that Zoneace is fakeclaiming scum? If so, why you, a claimed VT? Why not a Mason, effectively eliminating a Confirmed Town if he's really going for the final mislynch before he's caught?

Also, if he's faking scum, aside from mislynching you, he's cleared Bcade. Is he clearing his scumbuddy or trying to gain credit from Bcade?

[PeregrineV]

Thank you for answering the least important part of the post.

You should claim because it's a massclaim, and if you have info that can help, give it. If your a VT but ashamed of it, then say so. If your [super-mega-townie] and think claiming it will make town lose, then claim VT.

Dodging the issue at this point just looks bad for you.

This part is the more important question.

And you somehow think you will be killed tonight over the Mason, the other Mason, and the Gunsmith?

[PeregrineV]

see peregrine flail

flail peregrine flail!

(in the style of dick and jane)

I don't think flailing means what you think it means.

[PeregrineV]

Our itinerary is clear. If Peta flips scum, then either Peregrine or Rofl are his partners. Especially after Peregrines flailing.

Since I'm actually crediting you with being town,

1. Why is JacobSavage town?
2. What have I posted in this game that even remotely resembles flailing?
3. All of this is kind of obvious and has been stated by every player alive. Let's assume a Peta scumflip, who is the best choice for lynch tomorrow?

[PeregrineV]

cmon dude, we need your last input to help us right before we lunch youu

Are you in a hurry? If you're in a hurry, then just do it.

Otherwise, I'll look over the other 3 and give my rundown.

Obviously, strongest is Oversoul, but since that's mostly because this doesn't feel like town Oversoul, I'll just go back through the posts along with everyone else.

[PeregrineV]

Starting with Jacob since he has about the same number of posts I do.

Starting with this:

Town

Human Destroyer

roflcopter

Null-Town

Konowa
ActionDan
ZONEACE
Dramonic

Null
Go

Nobody Special
KingdomAces
Smashbard

Null-Scum

wind-up
Bacde
PeregrineV

Scum

MrZepher
petapan

His votes afterwards are:

Prodded.
I'm interested in a HD wagon for now so
VOTE: Human Destroyer

Ooh this sounds exciting.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

UNVOTE: NS
VOTE: HD

I think the time has come to get rid of the PGO, having one of those in the endgame is dangerous as nothing can test it.
VOTE: Wind-up

VOTE: ActionDan

VOTE: Peta
Opps...

On one of his townreads, HD, but never gave reasons why, and why he had two sum in his scum group that never got voted for once the reads were posted.

Stuff like this moves you up the lynch ladder.

So probably Jacob over Oversoul at this point.

[PeregrineV]

GO-Oversoul done in tandem.

unvote

1) Konowa = useless
2) TheTrollie = useful town
3) ActionDan = useless

4) Go = obvious town

5) Nobody Special = idiot town
6) wind-up = town

7) Human Destroyer = obvious mafia

8) KingdomAces = obvious town

9) roflcopter = town
10) JacobSavage = useless

11) Kdowns = useless
12) ZONEACE = useless troll
13) greygnarl = useless

14) petapan = obvious town

15) Smashbard = idiot town

16) MrZepher = idiot mafia

17) Dramonic = useless
18) Bacde = troll town

vote: zepher

However, his votes on scum, and his votes and reads in general, can be seen in his posts.

Still in the air about Go/Oversoul.

I found Go to be fairly town. However, Oversoul's effort level has been below expectations. Let's come back to this after looking at roflcopter.

[PeregrineV]

@Jacob- Yeah, but since I'm scumhunting for the last scum, and my role PM says it ain't me, I usually color my lists with all the info I have/believe.

And that's fine if you do all your reads lists that way, in which case, who is the last scum, and why?

[PeregrineV]

I can link you to games where I've done it f you want.

I wouldn't, you are misleading the town. I always try and leave myself out of the picture until I am confirmed.

I would say (scum to town)

OS
You
rofl

Town knows I'm not confirmed, scum don't care. I will reference my own list, so it makes it easier for me to have coding I can follow at a glance.

Why is Oversoul scummier than me, and I more than rofl?

[PeregrineV]

Calculated Guesswork.

Right. What are the factors used in your calculations?

[PeregrineV]

I took out a pi/2, does that count?

Mostly gut.

Logic and evidence can lead to others following your train of thought and maybe agreeing with you.

Gut scumhunting requires a reputation for success.

Since I personally don't attribute a reputation to you for it, do you have evidence that you're gut is meaningful?

[PeregrineV]

re: pere about my play, I'd say this is pretty town of me especially given my attack on Zone.

Last game with memorable you was 90's cartoon mafia. 130 pages, you had 430 posts. That's almost 4 posts per page of you try to catch scum. And you did.

This game, you replaced Go who had 63 posts day1, and you now have 68 posts. Or 1 per page.

Your strongest posting (attack on Zone) is something that I expect to see from town-you, but at a greater level.

There is one scum left, nominally in Jacob, you, me and rofl. I'd really expect you to do more of this and less of this.

Just saying.

[PeregrineV]

Is he scum that's given up?

Good question. Looks like all the gunsmith-confirmed folk have vanished.

[PeregrineV]

I'm liking Peregrines recent defenses against the likes of Jacob & Oversoul. His points against Oversouls meta seem particularly convincing to me.

Maybe Go/HD was a scum gambit after all. I'm still not sure. But at this point I think I'd like to let Peregrine slide for another dayphase and take out Oversoul or Rofl.

FYI, both of the links I posted were Oversoul-town in other games. One with superscumhuntingOversoul, and another with plodposting Oversoul.

There's some stuff I can't say now, but can you point out what you are talking about in the Go/HD "scum gambit"?

[PeregrineV]

I started with the post 88 where the Go-Human thing started.

Go calls Zephry scum, and then HD scum with him.

Human avoids mentioning Zephyr, but goes hard on Go.

Early smashbard posting:

I hardly consider one page of discussion tunneling. You both are overreacting to opposition.

Tell me why I shouldn't believe you are both scum trying to cause confusion by double bussing?

Actually you're just defending your crap partner MrZepher (hence the tunnel) and overreacting a ton and attempting to make a "case" on me which is just blatantly filler and crap.

Do you think Destroyerscum would be defending Mr. Zepher this obviously as a scum partner, when he's not even close to L-1, let alone L-2 or even L-3?

Oversoul replaces Go.

Triple ISO:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Human never attacks Oversoul again despite the early game clash, although does offer to vote him at some point, and does.

Oversoul has Human as his strongest townread.
Weak protection of Zephyr and later weak protection of Human.

[PeregrineV]

Two things.

One, mafia is generally 25%-33% of the players.

A 16 player game is kind of standard to have 4 scum.

Since this is an 18 player game, scum could be 4, 5, or 6. I want to think 4 because I want to think we are close to winning.

I fear 5 because of some of the interactions seem like there is more than one left.

[PeregrineV]

The second is, where the hell is the rofl townread from everyone coming from?

[PeregrineV]

Scum trifecta ISO:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

zepher

and

smash

are actually the best vig targets. if

zepher

flips scum

human destroyer

dies next.

No I don't.

If I do die next though, I get to laugh at you after you're proven wrong, fair?

Woah that escalated quickly

I killed

Trollie

based on an argument that I already answered for? If I recall he never responded to it either (could be wrong, haven't checked to be sure).
Like I know I'm not the towniest looking person but wtf. Use brain.
I seriously would have picked

Rofl

over

Trollie

in a heartbeat if I were scum and were picking off people who were suspicious of me (which is like, half the town mind).

Rofl

is probably scum with

JS

.

Actually I'm going to do this
VOTE: JacobSavage

iso pls and tell me you don't think he's scum.

I've voiced my opinion of

JS

since yesterday. Deal with it.

zomg thanks for saving me

konowa

(i'll read the dead thread soon enough to find out if you really did)

vote:

human destroyer

@

peta,

at the end of day one, why did you not sheep me onto

zepher

, as promised?

i would have but i think it wasn't viable at the time i wasn't paying a lot of attention

plus

greygnarl

pissed me off

basically i'm shit this game and i'm going to be taking a long break after this

tbh i thought

konowa

was scum going into today because his read on

zepher

disappeared yesterday

smashbard

is still town

zoneace

is town (unfortunately)

roflcopter'

s town

wind-up

is probably town

that's all i have i deleted my list because i had

zepher

as town and decided i should throw everything out

VOTE:

human destroyer

i follow you on this at least

shooting

dramonic

is always a pro play

lmao @

actiondan

trying to sell his crap

ActionDan

Oversoul
roflcopter
JacobSavage
PeregrineV

ZONEACE

petapan

Bacde

these are people that aren't conftown

taking

myself

off that list and

roflcopter

because well obv leaves me with

ActionDan

Oversoul
JacobSavage
PeregrineV

ZONEACE

Bacde

which means i only need 1 correct townread to win the game

one of

OS/AS

/

HD

is likely scum that got left behind voting

nobody specia

l so all of them are good lynch candidates atp, any combination of scum in the other three could have forced a lynch on NS

i have my reservations about all these dudes but i think

jacobsavage

is probably town so i don't need to worry about reading the other guys

VOTE:

actiondan

Rofl has no observable reasons for many of his votes.

well that's because you can't read implicitly

I mean, a

ZONEACE

lynch does sound tempting but I'm super skeptical of

roflcopter

right now

his scumgame from the last time i played with him was super weak, he pushed retarded reads and avoided bussing there's nothing to be skeptical of

Roflcopter

is just giving me all kinds of heeby jeebies. But

PetaPan

is defending him pretty hard, so since I usually have been trusting in

Peta

's reads, the only way I can trust that

Rofl

is scum is if

Peta

is his scumpartner.

Yeah.

##

Vote HD

However if this flips town for any reason

Rofl

gets lynched

actiondan

is still scum

Is

HD

flipping scum or not?

Say yes and stfu

hi remember this

Yeah I do. Is there something more you'd like to mention besides presenting this interaction.

Rofl

was acting as if he had a cop guilty on

HD

. But at the same time going out of his way to take a pot shot at me, which is illogical. When pressed, he voted me, which is something no cop with a guilty would do in that position.

Just some scum interaction about each other (I was looking for mentions of rofl) and thier "opinions".

Bolded are currently unconfirmed living players.

[PeregrineV]

@Oversoul-

Your 1204 + 1704 with Smash's 1200 and Bacde's 1722 start my tic up.
What's the point of 1704 to this game?

Why don't you want to be investigated Oversoul? Afraid of what might come up?

Although I highly doubt there is a cop. In Normal set ups Masons are generally considered alternatives or replacements to an investigative role.

No. I'm not afraid of being investigated because they will all return a normal result.

Cop me, track me, gun smith me, role cop me, hell even shoot me. They all will come back of a regular ole townie.

And just in case no one asks this in the future might as well do it now

Mod, if a Gunsmith investigates a Godfather, what result will the gunsmith receive?

[PeregrineV]

Setup spec:

Town Bodyguard
Town Mason
Town Mason
Town JK
Town Vig
Town Gunsmith
7 VT
13 Town

2 Goons
Mafia Rolecop
+Mafia
+Mafia?
5 Mafia

OK, Maybe 2 mafia left with a town that is 50% PR, weak as they may be.

[PeregrineV]

peregrine stop flooding the thread with huge blocks of colored text

Those are posts of other players, with known alignments colored.

C'mon rofl- how many scum left?

Remember that time you were town and your posts looked like this:
Subject: NY 159: RUST game over

there's too many unknown factors to try to clear people solely based on speculating about game balance. 3/7 dead players are scum. from that alone the game looks almost town sided. all these one shot abilities made the first 2-3 nights in this game very town sided. thats got something to do with why this game has seen scum lynches two out of the first three days (and the other a miller lynch, which players like drmyshotgun would argue are as good as a scum lynch) but now that they're most/all used and the two full use roles are dead (both faction's doctors) its become basically mountainous.

although looking at the symmetry of the setup if cheery is telling the truth is pushing me off of him.
town:
doctor
2 x 1-shot roles (vig*, gunsmith*)
2 x 2-shot joats (vig/cop*, bp/rb)
2 x millers?**
nilla wafers

scum:
doctor**
2-shot joat (claimed track/jk)(*,**) - see note
1-shot something? goon?(*,**)
goon(*.**)

* - this role has a gun AKA gunsmith guilty
** - cop guilty

note: we can't necessarily believe ckd's claim since he's scum and it doesn't flip what a joat is made of, but track approximates rolecop and jailkeep certainly approximates roleblock, two abilities i expect to see at least one of on a four man scumteam in a game this size

so that was basically stream of consciousness but yeah i think i've convinced myself cheery has to be town
ap is confirmed town by virtue of having a claimed inno on him at this point (realistically there's no way he's a mafia doctor), either cd is town in which case ap is inno or cd is scum in which case all other players (including ap) are innocent

unvote, vote: darthe

[PeregrineV]

no they're just obnoxious and i don't want to waste my time reading what he thinks is so important if he's not going to explain why its so important

They are the posts of the flipped scumteam and how they treat the other players in the game.

They are important because they are all fake- they can't scumhunt because they are scum.

Since I'm not the only town player left, if other players can draw something of importance from the information, then why would I not present it?

So, to help you, I conclude:

1. town-rofl is more involved in a game than this game's rofl
2. rofl is complaining about me trying to catch the last scum
3. rofl received many town reads from scum, and currently "town confirmed by gunsmiths" players can't seem to adequately verbalize why rolf is so town
4. rofl has no conclusions

Vote: Rofl

[PeregrineV]

i'm complaining about you giving the appearance of trying to catch the last scum while actually just posting blocks of quotes, color coding them and encouraging others to draw their own conclusions. i believe in the common parlance that is called

information instead of analysis

.

Please see analysis and conclusion in the post above.

And if I only gave information, what analysis can YOU draw from the information?

i can tell you why i'm town - without me the zepher and hd lynches simply don't happen. yes i got snowed by peta buddying me, but take a look at his posts and you'll see a game-long campaign to buddy me, which scum simply don't need to do to their own partners.

Fascinating.


Also, 1731.

[PeregrineV]

@Rofl- I'm not totally heartless.

If you can convince me why Oversoul/Go and Jacob is town, then you can be off the hook for 1761.

[PeregrineV]

And if I only gave information, what analysis can YOU draw from the information?

the fucking point is that i'm not going to waste my time analyzing your pretty colors, you're the one who is supposed to analyze that shit if you're going to go out of your way to do it. otherwise it is still worthless fluff cluttering up this thread.

If it helps catch scum, why the fuck is it a waste of time?

I doubt it clutters up anything, since I doubt you read it.

[PeregrineV]

yes, we all know what bussing is, congrats. to clear this up for you, peta bussed hd because i was driving the wagon (that post is also a strong example of peta buddying me, a point which you completely 100% just ignored so you could link to what bussing is, nice strawman)

unvote, vote: peregrine

So peta was bussing but you weren't? Why should I believe that?

why go/oversoul is town:

go vs human destroyer is a boring big-dick ego fight but HD looks much better off it than go

i'm still suspicious of jacob but you're doing a great job of convincing me he's town by poe since you're essentially jumping up and down in my face yelling "i'm scum lynch me!"

If me accusing you means I'm scum, oh well.

And if go vs HD was scum on scum, what would peta have said instead?

[PeregrineV]

what this thread really needs is more direction from the conftowns

No shit. This is semi-retarded that I seem to care more than the rest, and I only play 5 days of 7.

[PeregrineV]

you're right i didn't read it. i'm pretty sure no one else did either. so we all just had to scroll past it looking to see if you said anything about it, which you didn't. ie clutter and a waste of our precious time.

and how exactly is it helping catch scum if neither you nor anyone else has actually tried to draw any conclusions from it?

So you didn't read it and nobody read it and you want to know how it's helpful and why nobody drew conclusions from something they didn't read?

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Read it.

Read my conclusions here:

1. town-rofl is more involved in a game than this game's rofl
2. rofl is complaining about me trying to catch the last scum
3. rofl received many town reads from scum, and currently "town confirmed by gunsmiths" players can't seem to adequately verbalize why rolf is so town
4. rofl has no conclusions

So you have confirmed 2 and 4 for me. Thank you.

[PeregrineV]

I've already said that I don't have the energy to entirely devote myself to this game. If you would prefer it if I were to replace out and force someone else to read 71 pages ans still manage to contribute more than I can, then just say so.

My stance right now just reading is that both of you two are looking like town. I am getting more suspicious of Oversoul, but for some reason I'm reading him as leaning town as well. I'm continually feeling worse about Jacob, so that's what I'm looking at right this moment, though I could go for someone else if a convincing argument is made for them. If you already made one and I forgot, just remind me and I'll find it myself.

Read this:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4908143
Draw 4 conclusions.

[PeregrineV]

I've already said that I don't have the energy to entirely devote myself to this game. If you would prefer it if I were to replace out and force someone else to read 71 pages ans still manage to contribute more than I can, then just say so.

My stance right now just reading is that both of you two are looking like town. I am getting more suspicious of Oversoul, but for some reason I'm reading him as leaning town as well. I'm continually feeling worse about Jacob, so that's what I'm looking at right this moment, though I could go for someone else if a convincing argument is made for them. If you already made one and I forgot, just remind me and I'll find it myself.

Read this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4908143
Draw 4 conclusions.

[PeregrineV]

Seriously though, PeregrineV you got really comfortable and complacent after everyone started thinking you were town, yet posted IMMEDIATELY after I voted you, whats up with that?

It's almost like I didn't post all weekend, until today.
If "everyone started thinking I'm town", why am I L-1?

Rofl found good reason for thinking OS is town, IIRC that petapan post is why I thought OS was town myself (I posted a reads list yesterday w/ colors and everything)

Rofl found a single post/sentence made by scum out of 1800 posts than made rofl say OS=town and you found the exact same post and came to the exact same conclusion?
It's a miracle!

Honestly, the way peta campaigned to buddy rofl just really makes me think rofl is town. If peta did all that to buddy his own scumbuddy then I'm truly impressed, because that's a crazy weird play. IMO rofl is town

Yeah, that shit never happens. Except Gorgon and I just did it.

I can see Jacob as scum if Pere isn't, he did do a couple of awkward things (such as having ALL of the scum as either "definitely town" or "definitely scum" on his list). Also I don't understand how he can't just IMMEDIATELY tell which players are stronger and which players are weaker (but then again he MIGHT be telling the truth about that since he seems to prefer to not read into the thread anyway)

[PeregrineV]

Smash your opinions are actually helpful to me

if I can't convince you that rofl is town, then I want us to keep looking at rofl until we come to a conclusion

A lot of your opinions that I thought were retarded at the time (such as if greygnarl flips town, then ZONEACE is confirmed town) actually ended up being VERY correct

I feel like together we make a really good townie so lets figure this out

@Rofl- This is buddying.

[PeregrineV]

Because I see almost zero interactions between Peregrine and HD, Peta & Zepher. Mr. Zepher quite literally never mentioned Peregrine or responded to one of his posts. HD only replied to him in a really weak interaction that amounts to speculation, and Peta only mentioned him in a list of Unconfirmed players that he was comfortable lynching.

While interactions between Peta, HD & Zepher are super rampant all game. It seems awkward to me that Peregrine would be the last scum partner of them considering he's been all but ignored by the scum team the whole time.

So I'm still very unsure. I don't trust Rofl. It doesn't matter if he's helped lynched 2 scum or just bussed them, he's been oozing scumvibes to me all game.

But I will lynch Peregrine if that's what it comes to. Just to stop all of this uncertainty.

Unvote. Vote: Peregrine

:sigh:

[PeregrineV]

After this, if Peregrine flips town, I'm sticking my vote on Rofl and not moving.

I'm at L-1 and will flip town, so you should move your vote now.

[PeregrineV]

Are you just going to flail and accuse everyone who votes for you as scum out of the blue despite never once declaring these suspicions before this point?

Please, tell me how the two claimed Mason's are scum now too, since my vote is on you.

Unvote

. Until an official vote count is posted.

???

Not sure what you are talking about.

[PeregrineV]

Smash your opinions are actually helpful to me

if I can't convince you that rofl is town, then I want us to keep looking at rofl until we come to a conclusion

A lot of your opinions that I thought were retarded at the time (such as if greygnarl flips town, then ZONEACE is confirmed town) actually ended up being VERY correct

I feel like together we make a really good townie so lets figure this out

@Rofl- This is buddying.

fyi the only possible way for me to be scum is if I'm a godfather or mafia doctor, and we've already had a scum PR flip

I mean its possible for there to be 2 scum PRs but considering town's power this game I don't think so

So you think town is weak enough so that the whole scum team is 1 PR+3 goons?
No, you think there might be 2 scum left:

^^Actually thats good thinking

we might have 2 scum left

if there were only 4 scum and 18 players, that would comprise less than 25% of the town, which is unlikely

Also there's no way that there is a mafia doctor in this game, as the only non-mafia killing role was a dayvig

Also, if there are 2 scum left then a gf is unlikely

In other words, Yes, you could be a mafia doctor or Mafia GF. I don't care which, and I'm not interested in lynching you today anyways, since Zone's clearing of you outweighs your scummy posts.

[PeregrineV]

Are you just going to flail and accuse everyone who votes for you as scum out of the blue despite never once declaring these suspicions before this point?

Please, tell me how the two claimed Mason's are scum now too, since my vote is on you.

Unvote

. Until an official vote count is posted.

???

Not sure what you are talking about.

well you accused me of buddying, which is silly since I've been buddying smashbard since d1

we even laughed at rofl when he accused us on d1 of buddying w/ each other and being scum together

there was no way for me to know he was a mason when I did so

we just both genuinely read each other as town

My point was that buddying involves appealing to a known townie.

rofl is trying to say that scum-peta buddied him in a single post that has him respond to rofl and vote HD.

I contend that is not buddying.

[PeregrineV]

Are you just going to flail and accuse everyone who votes for you as scum out of the blue despite never once declaring these suspicions before this point?

Please, tell me how the two claimed Mason's are scum now too, since my vote is on you.

Unvote

. Until an official vote count is posted.

???

Not sure what you are talking about.

Based on your ISO, you NEVER mentioned any suspicion of Rofl until this very moment where he's started to call you out as the last scum.

Because last time I was wrong so decided to not try an rofl reads until maixmum information was available.
He however, has been calling me scum since before AD died.

You touched up on Oversoul being scum very briefly because 'He had scumreads on Zepher and HD", which looking back at that post doesn't make a lot of sense to me out of context. After that, any other mentions of Oversoul were pretty pro-town, until just recently. He's been one of your top scum suspects.

He is one of three unconfirmed in my PoV, and I mean everything I posted.

Bacde you've been on about for a few moments in the game, but never seriously seemed to consider him as a viable scum candidate, until just now starting to insinuate that he is buddying me, which is a weak way of accusing him of scumminess. Trying to redirect Rofls attention away from you and towards anybody else since you seem to be on the losing end of the logic battle with Rofl.

Rofl has yet to use logic.
I don't about his attention, but I do about his intentions.
I want rofl to look at everyone left. It's up to you guys to decide if he has done so.

As to Bcade, see 1801 and 1802.

Hence, my accusations of you flailing.

By flailing you mean look and engaging in conversation with each of Oversoul, Jacob, and rofl.
By flailing you mean looking at the scum interaction between themselves and us unconfirmed, and posting it.
By flailing you mean demanding that people back their shit up with posts and reasons.

If you don't see any of the above, let me know.

[PeregrineV]

After this, if Peregrine flips town, I'm sticking my vote on Rofl and not moving.

I'm at L-1 and will flip town, so you should move your vote now.

honestly you seem more motivated to not get lynched than to find scum

See 1803.

[PeregrineV]

what was with your "miracle" post snark then?

bc that wasn't bullshit--that was the post I looked at to think that OS was prob-town

Let me re-phrase then.

You read this and got

zoneace still sucks, go vs human destroyer is a boring big-dick ego fight but HD looks much better off it than go

Oversoul=town?

What did this tell you?

i thought the go/HD argument didn't make sense as scum vs scum but oversoul hasn't done much for me to care about him

Or this:

one of OS/AS/HD is likely scum that got left behind voting nobody special so all of them are good lynch candidates atp, any combination of scum in the other three could have forced a lynch on NS

Or this:

yeah it looks like you laying roadwork to discredit him before zepher even flipped because there was no rational reason to propose that chain lynch

[PeregrineV]

By flailing you mean look and engaging in conversation with each of Oversoul, Jacob, and rofl.
By flailing you mean looking at the scum interaction between themselves and us unconfirmed, and posting it.
By flailing you mean demanding that people back their shit up with posts and reasons.
.

No by flailing I mean you are playing a reactionary, "don't rock the boat" style. You don't start pointing fingers towards Oversoul, Jacob or Rofl until YOU come under scrutiny.

You mean I become more efficient and active when there are only 3 candidates left?

Yes.

For most of the entire first 75% of the game you were content with just sitting back and poking and prodding with softball questions. Until the first time Rofl pointed at you as a possible scum suspect, then suddenly we got a flood of vote count reposting and color coding.

No. Read 938. First vote for me is 1765 when I start putting pressure on him.

Then after the whole Peta & Rofl Vs. Zoneace activity, you went back to not really posting anything of merit. Until later on once everyone started drawing conclusions that you were one of the last scum, then came the Vote Counts again.

You mean as my other games ended and I had more time for this one, I spent more time on this one?

Yes.

And then just today conveniently you have come to the conclusion that all of Rofl, Oversoul, Bacde & Jacob are all acting scummy after each one starts to point a finger at you.

Why would I suspect one (or two) of them of being scum?

Because I'm not?

Yes.

Congratulations, you just took 72 pages to come to the same conclusion as everyone else! That Oversoul, Jacob, Rofl & Yourself are unconfirmed and therefore suspicious, and that maybe Bacde can't be trusted 100%. Yay!

We all reached this spot at the same time. the question is, what have you done since then?

And I don't mind the suspicion or questions. But, I expect you to provide the same treatment to my 3 fellows.

[PeregrineV]

All of those are quotes that could be used as an argument that Oversoul is town...considering Petapan was trying to direct suspicions towards him. And there's no evidence as far as I've caught in the ISO's that show Peta as bussing any of his partners.

He votes Zephyr here: 1002
He votes Human here: 1031

And if you read all of those as Oversoul=town, then that's fine too.

[PeregrineV]

Because your opinion seems to keep changing everytime a fresh person throws accusations your way.

Actually, it's based on the interactions with each person. How did Oversoul react? How did Jacob react? How did rofl react?

[PeregrineV]

If Oversoul and Jacob are both town, who's Peregrines partner (assuming 5 scum)?

That's all I need to know before I proceed.

If you've got time to do it, you might consider that I'll flip town. Save you some extra work tomorrow, if you live.

[PeregrineV]

Now that the game is over...

Just finished a game as scum with HD, Lost Souls Mafia.

In it, he basically bussed me day1 and day2, while simultaneously attacking our third partner EmpKing. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I have no trouble whatsoever thinking Human was bussing at any of his "arguments" with anyone.

Recent completed HD town game shows a lot less vote hopping.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[PeregrineV]

recently completed new york games:

/in-vitational 12

16 players. 4 mafia (1 traitor)

ny 161

21 players, 5 mafia (1 traitor)

ny 160b

15 players, 3 mafia

ny 160

15 players, 3 mafia, 1 serial killer

ny 159

17 players, 4 mafia

ny 155

19 players, 5 mafia (1 traitor), 1 serial killer

from this i conclude our 18 player game contains 4 full scum, no traitor. stop overthinking it and trying to find a scumpair. there isn't one. if there is a fifth scum it almost has to be a traitor. there are endgame remarks by someone in ny 155 about the power of a 5 man scumteam and that game had one more player than this, and a serial killer to boot.

there is one scum left in this game. it's peregrine.

This game is 18 players, exactly between ny155 and ny159. Why did you conclude 4 mafia (22%) instead of 5 mafia (28%) when the standard game is 25-33%.

[PeregrineV]

Ok, last review of Jacob before I go back to paid work.

Zephyr ISOed him, called him scum for it. Also notes that Jacob is reading the thread here and here.

Human "attacked" Zephyr for this read, and points out JS is on VLA day 1 so not a good lynch candidate.

Peta reads Jacob ISO and finds him town, and sees him lurking but says town does it.

[PeregrineV]

But I don't see any support being garnered for my wagon on Oversoul. So I have a feeling I'm going to have to lynch Peregrine in order to get at least one lynch through today.

I'm going to wait on Oversouls next post. Because he said he was going to show more participation on his next go around. But I DO NOT trust his insinuation that he has hidden info that he can't share without breaking the rules. That just reeks of bullshit. The only reason I will be letting up on it is because everyone else wants Peregrine dead, and you can't ALL be scum.

I'll support the Oversoul wagon over my own for obvious reasons.

Vote: Oversoul

[PeregrineV]

i should have listened to myself about your scummy scummy reaction to investigations

I maintain that wasn't scummy! lol.
I don't know why you guys just stopped listening to the people that died

The pere lynch was probably the lynch that saved me the most imo