NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[JacobSavage]

VOTE: ZONEACE

Also I was Under the impression that PGOs claiming early Day 1 was the expected thing. Can someone confirm this?

[JacobSavage]

See here (Note that Hoopla was actually a Vengeful Townie though)

[JacobSavage]

YOU TWO STOP, GO SIT IN YOUR RESPECTIVE NAUGHTY CORNER.

[JacobSavage]

It's long and I'm lazy . But if only one of the two is town its HD, he has the better case .

[JacobSavage]

_UNVOTE:

I never remember...

[JacobSavage]

Go if your going to bring something up make sure you read the context...

[JacobSavage]

Im back and am going to.
VOTE: Greygnarl

Thats L-1 me thinks, someone hammer before the deadline.

[JacobSavage]

VOTE: MrZepher

[JacobSavage]

Everyone who isn't me is a possible scum read.

That's comprehensive.

[JacobSavage]

I'm not quite sure I follow...

And I'm off to bed now anyway so I should get some reads up tommorrow.

[JacobSavage]

Now play nicely with the nice mafia Nobody x

[JacobSavage]

Town
Human Destroyer
roflcopter

Null-Town
Konowa
ActionDan
ZONEACE
Dramonic

Null
Go
Nobody Special
KingdomAces
Smashbard

Null-Scum
wind-up
Bacde
PeregrineV

Scum
MrZepher
petapan

[JacobSavage]

If you had managed to make that rhyme I'd of agreed with you.
But you didn't so I'm sad.

[JacobSavage]

I like to call in a reventator...
Sash it totally works)

[JacobSavage]

Waiting.

[JacobSavage]

If the cats are going everywhere then you're not doing a very good job herding.

[JacobSavage]

If we can't have nice things can we at least have a Zepher lynch?

@Mod: You said that Smashbard is voteless for the rest of the day but he's still counting in the vote count.

Fixed, please keep in mind the vote threshold has been lowered to 8

[JacobSavage]

We can do that tomorrow, can we just lynch Zepher.

[JacobSavage]

Basically go look at Trollie's last couple of posts. He was tunneling on Zepher most of the day, what better way to deal with it than a night kill.

Thats why I'm voting Zepher, that and he smells of scum.

[JacobSavage]

vanilla town
or something like that....

That left me momentarily baffled.

[JacobSavage]

I think we've lynched Zeph now...

[JacobSavage]

Cough told you so cough

[JacobSavage]

I can actually agree, rofl is prob town anyway, also possibly HD.

[JacobSavage]

Prodded.


I'm interested in a HD wagon for now so
VOTE: Human Destroyer

[JacobSavage]

Why does this always happen to me...

What's the case on NS just generally lurking?

[JacobSavage]

Ooh this sounds exciting.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

[JacobSavage]

Yawn...

[JacobSavage]

5/6 of my strong town reads are on NS.

good stuff.

Bacde, Dram. lend a hand?

Yay! I am the 17%

[JacobSavage]

I've seen players getting all the way to his flip thinking he was a VT.

He wasn't, it was Day 6.

Intent to hammer HD?

[JacobSavage]

It was NY 160 by the way.

[JacobSavage]

Red Coyote, on the second to last day, check the dead QT as well it's in there

[JacobSavage]

Bah, I tried my best. Sorry to the town. I may have some hecklers in the peanut gallery for lying, but I honestly thought I would be able to garner a little more sympathy with a BP claim than with a VT claim.

RedCoyote,

Town Neighbourizer

, has been lynched Day 5.

It is now Night 5. The deadline for night actions is in (expired on 2013-01-13 17:00:00)

[JacobSavage]

Also it was Day 5 not 6.

[JacobSavage]

UNVOTE: NS
VOTE: HD

[JacobSavage]

I was aware don't worry.

[JacobSavage]

Someone hammer HD.

NS get on me tonight, we can prove this me thinks.

[JacobSavage]

That as well...

Actually scum Jailkeepers are quite common actually and given that we only have 1kill per night I'd guess scum must be quite strong. So a JK fits come to think of it, unless:

EVERYONE DOUBLE CHECK YOUR PMS MAKE SURE YOU USE YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS OR HAVE A SENSIBLE REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T.

[JacobSavage]

We don't have a Vig I don't believe plus a scum JK...

[JacobSavage]

I'm more worried where he has been ...

[JacobSavage]

I think the time has come to get rid of the PGO, having one of those in the endgame is dangerous as nothing can test it.

VOTE: Wind-up

[JacobSavage]

Of course I am.

This is theater after all.

[JacobSavage]

I wouldn't trust you to shoot an elephant with scum written on it if it was staring you in the face

I laughed.

How is that is a Normal game role?

Roles which are explicitly Normal include:

Normal Games may use any amount of approved roles (so long as there is at least one Vanilla Townie) in conjunction with approved modifiers.

Yes, yes they can.

[JacobSavage]

Why NS claimed Jailkeeper... Having two protective roles would seem slightly over powdered...

[JacobSavage]

I'm lurking because I forgot about this...

[JacobSavage]

I'm not really seeing it rofl. I'll sleep on it me thinks

[JacobSavage]

So I slept on it and had a nightmare that involved Sharks and a very nice guy called Roberto. ... Does this mean ActionDan is scum?

[JacobSavage]

Right I think.it might be best to ignore anything AD says, maybe the shark was AD and Roberto was NS...

[JacobSavage]

So I slept on it and had a nightmare that involved Sharks and a very nice guy called Roberto. ... Does this mean ActionDan is scum?

^Relevant
(also did you self hammer?)

[JacobSavage]

VOTE: ActionDan

[JacobSavage]

Inb4 Vengeful...

[JacobSavage]

See I just thought that Mafia win after Day 7 ..

[JacobSavage]

I dont mind starting to be honest.

[JacobSavage]

@Smash whilst your here, what do you think about this order for the mass claim?

KingdomAces -

Day Mason

Smashbard -

Day Mason

JacobSavage -
roflcopter -
petapan -
Oversoul -
ZONEACE -
PeregrineV -
Bacde -

[JacobSavage]

KingdomAces -

Day Mason

Smashbard -

Day Mason

JacobSavage -
roflcopter -
petapan -
Oversoul -
ZONEACE -
PeregrineV -
Bacde -

What does everyone think of this order for claimage?

[JacobSavage]

Meh 2's good enough for me.
Lets get this rolling.


KingdomAces -

Day Mason

Smashbard -

Day Mason

JacobSavage -

Vanilla Townie

roflcopter -
petapan -
Oversoul -
ZONEACE -
PeregrineV -
Bacde -

Rofl, you're up next.

[JacobSavage]

KingdomAces - Day Mason
Smashbard - Day Mason
JacobSavage -Vanilla Townie
roflcopter - Vanilla Townie
petapan - Vanilla Townie
Oversoul -

ZONEACE -
PeregrineV -
Bacde -

[JacobSavage]

He's going to claim I tin of Tomato Ketchup, I just know it.

[JacobSavage]

I'm happy with a peta-lynch

If peta is scum. We go into D6 with 3 clears and 4 uncleared.

If he's town. We lynch ZONE tomorrow and we are

Also in regards to set up spec, their are two roles that bascially act as millers to the gunsmith, bodyguard and the vig. That coupled with the Role Cop i think balances it.

[JacobSavage]

VOTE: Peta

Opps...

[JacobSavage]

Carrying on.

If ZONE is scum then we go into D7 with 1 mislynch in head (assuming 4 scum)

I see no issue.

[JacobSavage]

What with KA and Smash being confirmed by the same lets see.

PeregrineV, Oversoul, roflcopter, JacobSavage (Ordered from Scum to town)

vs.

Bacde, Smash and KA

We can do this.

[JacobSavage]

1. Just going to correct that for you. You are not confirmed town. Stop doing that.

Starting with Jacob since he has about the same number of posts I do.

Starting with this:

Town

Human Destroyer

roflcopter

Null-Town

Konowa
ActionDan
ZONEACE
Dramonic

Null
Go

Nobody Special
KingdomAces
Smashbard

Null-Scum

wind-up
Bacde

PeregrineV

Scum

MrZepher
petapan

His votes afterwards are:

Prodded.
I'm interested in a HD wagon for now so
VOTE: Human Destroyer

Just to point out:

VOTE: MrZepher

Was made before the reads list and didn't move until Zepher had gone.

Also an insight into how I do reads lists.
I copy the player list.
Move them around according to general gut and then tend to forget about them.
Just saying.

[JacobSavage]

I can link you to games where I've done it f you want.

I wouldn't, you are misleading the town. I always try and leave myself out of the picture until I am confirmed.

I would say (scum to town)

OS
You
rofl

[JacobSavage]

Calculated Guesswork.

[JacobSavage]

I took out a pi/2, does that count?

Mostly gut.

[JacobSavage]

Nope

But its what I use. (Actually I guess you could argue I twigged on Cleutus in NY160 due to gut, but what ever)

[JacobSavage]

In regards to 1292 I was trying to draw a Nightkill.

It was quite simple.

[JacobSavage]

Not quite.

If NS was scum I could quite easily see me being killed on the grounds that "I though he was joking" because it would be awkward if I got a "result".

If he was town I knew he was going to die and then the next night I could reasonable expect to be killed thus avoiding losing another PR.

Simples x

[JacobSavage]

Yeah um no.

Try again?

I think its Oversoul to be honest. Then Pere then you.

VOTE: Oversoul

[JacobSavage]

Okay right even so that pretty much confirms Smash and KA leaving only Bacde as questionable.

Carry on as normal.

[JacobSavage]

Personally I think that we should be lynching from:

Smash, KA and Bcade.

>_>

[JacobSavage]

Mine are always the best.

[JacobSavage]

I actually looked at your case.

Laughted, then moved on.

[JacobSavage]

I mean from what I gathered you case is: Jacob hard bussed Zepher and then soft bussed peta and HD.

Which is pretty laughable to be honest.

My Zepher read was based almost wholly on ISOing Trollie when the day opened.

[JacobSavage]

i'm guessing he tends to contribute more at endgame

FTFY

[JacobSavage]

Thanks I made it to scare the the crows off.

Also I am not refuting any of those points so yeah....

I mean I might have done more but those things but I can't be bothered to check.

[JacobSavage]

Why

1. I don't think I'm scum.

2. Why the hell would I have hard bussed Zepher and not peta? I mean really?

[JacobSavage]

He is?

[JacobSavage]

Yes I am. I haven't come into contact with them before this game.

[JacobSavage]

Honestly no.

That and I didn't know they were scum til they flipped.

[JacobSavage]

As much as I believe someone is scum I can't think of any circumstance where I can be sure that someone will flip scum.

So...

[JacobSavage]

rolf or Bacde I'd assume.

screw this VOTE: PereV

[JacobSavage]

If Oversoul and Jacob are both town, who's Peregrines partner (assuming 5 scum)?

That's all I need to know before I proceed.

Given those assumptions I'd say logically the fact thats it would be rolf or you is a no brainer.

[JacobSavage]

I assume its becuase we don't have a serial killer.

[JacobSavage]

Ok, last review of Jacob before I go back to paid work.

1.

Zephyr ISOed him, called him scum for it.

2.

Also notes that Jacob is reading the thread here and here.

Human

3.

"attacked" Zephyr for this read, and points out

4.

JS is on VLA day 1 so not a good lynch candidate.

Peta reads

5.

Jacob ISO and finds him town, and sees

6.

him lurking but says town does it.

A strongly worded rebuttal.

1.

Pretty sure that was a blantent OMGUS, notice how he calls a JS/Rofl scumteam and if anything you could say he was bussing Rolf by his response to Rofl's #667. Also notice how his scum reads are basically all town

2.

And... What this was brought up other games around that time. Where people came in relation to that wasn't related to

3.

Yes, I was town reading him, of course he was going to buddy up to me. It gave him the chance to get some town points in bussing his partner.

4.

I'm going to put this down to the fact that I was playing in a Hydra at the time so would probably know why I was on V/LA.

5.

So what he defended both of his buddies in one post? Somehow I don't think so. Also for scum would be quite happy for a lurking townie as its an easy mislynch later, so him defending me isn't that unusal.

6.

See 5.

[JacobSavage]

Just a heads up, the deadline is in (expired on 2013-05-04 23:00:00).

Oversoul can you please clarifiy what is going on.

@Mod's can we have a votecount?

[JacobSavage]

Thanks

[JacobSavage]

You're Bruce Lee?

[JacobSavage]

Okay we have 1/2 scum out of the three of us.

I'd go OverSoul, roflcopter personally.

Bacde it is probably lylo do you have anything extra to claim.

[JacobSavage]

The gunsmith would get a guility on:

Day-Vig, Bodyguard and the Mafia.

With 3 Goons and a Godfather thats 40% of investigations as false postivies, do you really think thats likely.

I could see a Godfather with 5 scum but not 4.

Also OS is your case that I am amazingly good and amazingly bad at the same time because that is what it seems to me.

@Bacde: How does that work as a team. Please do explain.

[JacobSavage]

The gunsmith would get a guility on:

Day-Vig, Bodyguard and the Mafia.

With 3 Goons and a Godfather thats 40% of investigations as false postivies, do you really think thats likely.

I could see a Godfather with 5 scum but not 4.

Also OS is your case that I am amazingly good and amazingly bad at the same time because that is what it seems to me.

@Bacde: How does that work as a team. Please do explain.

nope nope nope nope nope nope

nope

nope

nope

no no no no nope noe nope nope nope nope nopen no

NO

this post makes NO sense

yes you are technically using logic to back up your assertions but you are SO FOCUSED on tiny details that you are missing out on the bigger logic of the whole picture

how does it make MORE sense to have more scum if there is a GF rather than less?

that assertion alone is ridiculous and obviously scum-motivated

I guess there's no way we lynch anyone besides JS

I'll tell you how it makes sense: math.

I'm going to distill it into a table for you to make it easier:

[row][cell][/cell][header]GF[/header][header]No GF[/header][/row]
[row][header]4 scum[/header][cell]40%[/cell][cell]33%[/cell][/row]
[row][header]5 scum[/header][cell]33%[/cell][cell]28%[/cell][/row]

The percentage is the chance that a "has a gun" result is actually town.

@MOD: Would a gunsmith get a "has a gun" result on a bodyguard

[JacobSavage]

	GF	No GF
4 scum	40%	33%
5 scum	33%	28%

Tag fail.

[JacobSavage]

The pecentage is the chance of a false positive.

Although now its kind of irrelevent, as I would always assume Bodyguards carry guns.

[JacobSavage]

Why? Because I believe part of balance is making sure you don't get too many false positives.

When there were two town roles givening them already and chucking a godfather on top of it then would make it very weak.

[JacobSavage]

Out of interest, who are you going to lynch tommorrow when I flip town?

[JacobSavage]

I'd say 1 to be honest.

[JacobSavage]

How so?

[JacobSavage]

Bah, go town.

[JacobSavage]

To be fair I didn't.

Also I'm pretty sure the fact that I haven't been hammered yet suggests that it is only 1 scum so just make the right decision tommorrow.

[JacobSavage]

Oh well.

I was a Vanilla Townie.

Choose right tommorrow

[JacobSavage]

You want my reads?

I'd go Oversoul then rofl but I'm probably wrong and Bacde is actually the godfather so good luck.

[JacobSavage]

I didn't think it was that bad at first.

Congrats Mafia.