NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[TheReverend]

That hurts.

[TheReverend]

That hurts.

is that all you have to say?

What, do I really need to dignify that post of mhork's with a serious response?

I still find it strange that you insist I'm town. The only town tell I'm giving off that I'm aware of is me not knowing what's going on... I pay a lot more attention when I'm scum, and don't lame fake stupidity... but how would you know that?

[TheReverend]

Oh now I get why you're all fucking raging about me reading the game asap - deadline is bankable. I'm sorry that I was unaware of this, and I'm reading the game right now fwiw.

Scumslip! The town role PM explicitly asks you to confirm by stating it's bankable deadline

So yeah matt is so fucking obviously town it hurts.

I see bulderscum is pushing for my lynch too. Did you get to #3183 and my uberninja push yet? I'm just gonna lazily point at that post and say I'm town, so fuck off.

[TheReverend]

Oh wait I just saw the spoiler vanilla role pm in the OP and matt can still be scum I guess. Still think he's town, but it's not painfully obvious like I thought.

[TheReverend]

Reverend, explain WHY Matt is town. He's really one of only two scum reads I have right now (but apparently no one else sees this).

t was a combination of the gambit at om and the vanilla pm comment, but I acknowledge neither confirms his role. My gut also says town, my my gut has been very wrong already this game.

I've read and if anything you look more scummy than before. However, Uber Ninja also looks scummy for having such a strong town read on you out of the blue, I'll give you that.

Really? I look scummy for basically admitting I look scummy up to that point and pointing the finger at the only person defending me? Ok then, cool. Lynch me and pretend to be surprised tomorrow.

I find it odd that IAI did ask the mod what actions jacob undertook immediately after reading role pm, it's the first thing I do when replacing in.

[TheReverend]

I find it odd that IAI

did

ask the mod what actions jacob undertook immediately after reading role pm, it's the first thing I do when replacing in.

*didn't

I've just smoked a fat spliff.

[TheReverend]

so it may very well contain his targets from night 1 and night 2.

This information, you need to know it, so if that's all it is, then it's not going to be an issue as far as I'm aware. But yeah this kind of stuff should done through mod. You should probably have not told us he pm'ed you and just asked the mod for direction before commenting.

[TheReverend]

I find it odd that IAI

did

ask the mod what actions jacob undertook immediately after reading role pm, it's the first thing I do when replacing in.

*didn't

I've just smoked a fat spliff.

Keep going with the corrections...

*bulder... there's a third?

[TheReverend]

Seriously though, I feel the admittance that he hasn't already asked the mod what jacob's actions were, this looks like a scumslip to me. I just can't imagine why he wouldn't do it immediately if he really got that role.

[TheReverend]

vifam, do you actually think I'm scum, or are you just trying to pressure the town into a mislynch?

[TheReverend]

Any reason in particular? I don't recall you providing any reason for your vote, you seem happy to just make short comments asking the town to vote for me based on, I dunno, lynch mob mentality maybe? Why do you think I'm scum?

[TheReverend]

Your iso is too big, so much fluff. Kindly link me.

[TheReverend]

Oh ok so because me and om had a back-and-forth that means we were trying to bus each other? Is that the basis for your scum read on me vifam? Or do I need to continue trawling through your ISO?

[TheReverend]

Also I'm pretty sure I insisted om was town for replacing out and arc was town because of the derp hammer... do you really think I give really strong town reads on fellow scum?

[TheReverend]

You're seriously trying to tell me you can't muster up a better lynch target than me based on that crock of crap?

I don't like that you're pushing the village into a pressure lynch. Seems like a pretty effective rolefishing tactic to me... wagon people to the point of claiming, move onto next target.

[TheReverend]

Like, everything you do just seems to be someone trying to disperse suspicion from himself

lol so it's scummy to try and deflect false accusations?

[TheReverend]

lol wat? When did I claim vanilla vifam?

[TheReverend]

lol wat? When did I claim vanilla vifam?

You've told us to just lynch you several times, that's pretty much a VT claim

lol nice work. So if you consider that to be a vanilla claim, why the fuck are you pushing to lynch me? If you think I can still be scum, then my "lynch me" comments are WIFOM, right? So if I'm capable of WIFOM'ing like that as scum, why not as PR?

You're scum, aren't you?

[TheReverend]

So if you're town you're going to ask for yourself to get lynched as a PR because it's good wifom

No you're not because if you are town you know that would be stupid

Would it? I convinced you I was vanilla, based on those comments. So if you're scum, and I'm PR, then it wasn't so stupid, was it?

You're either rolefishing or brain farting. You're basically voting for someone who, by your logic, you think doesn't give a crap about getting lynched because vanilla.

[TheReverend]

Basically vifam, if you think I'm a "safe lynch", then you expect me to flip vanilla town. And if you expect that, then it's a dumb lynch.

How is that difficult to grasp?

[TheReverend]

lol

[TheReverend]

So I can WIFOM as scum but not PR, is that it?

[TheReverend]

I'd like to OMGUS you but I don't think you're scum, just even more clueless town than me. Your comments on the om/arc slot look good. Funny how om's push at me has you thinking I'm scum, and you still can't see the flawed argument you're presenting.

[TheReverend]

do you honestly want me to think that this whole time you've been doing this because you're actually a PR

More rolefishing. I want scum to think I might be a PR. And no I do not claim until I'm at L-1, so I can WIFOM my way to L-1 all I like as PR, and you're showing why this is viable. Because people actually think that saying "I don't care" means vanilla (or somehow scum but never PR).

[TheReverend]

So you want scum to think you are a PR by telling the town to lynch you

I don't know what you don't understand about the word "might".

If I'm PR, then I want scum to think I'm vanilla.
If I'm vanilla, then I want scum to think I'm a PR.

Apply whichever is correct after my flip.

[TheReverend]

Wouldn't it also be a terrible plan for scum? If I'm scum at L-1, and no-one is going to believe my PR claim, how do I expect to survive? Usually a vanilla claim will result in death. Somehow zab avoided that fate here after soft claiming.

Basically vifam you're presenting a very good argument for why I'm vanilla. So why are you voting for me again please?

[TheReverend]

Your vote on me seems to be based on my interactions with om. Yet your interactions with om has me leaning town with you.

You're saying I'm a safe lynch vifam. That suggest you see me as either scum or vanilla, and never PR. So yeah your vote is at least in some part related to your belief I claimed vanilla.

By the way, you can learn this about me from this game... me saying I haven't a clue what's going on and I don't give a fuck is a slam dunk town tell. You can have that bit of rev meta.

[TheReverend]

One of zab, bulder, jiffy... and if this group is scum heavy, look hard at vifam, because it would then it would all make sense why vifam didn't want to budge.

[TheReverend]

I think it's easier to list who I'm not willing to lynch...

pidgeon, mhork, mollie, matt, vifam... all town imo. I got nothing solid in regards scum reads, I guess ninja is most likely since his town read on me does not feel sincere.

[TheReverend]

Nice tunnelling. Yeah looks like you're town. So, carry on trying to get me lynched by quoting contrasting comments showing that I'm changing my reads base on events as I recall them, as if it's some kind of scum tell.

[TheReverend]

I'm changing my mind on you for now, this claim of yours seems too elaborate and too vulnerable to be mafia. Is it ok to think someone is scum and then change the read to town when they post stuff that makes me think I was wrong? See I consider that kind of activity a town tell, hence the suspicion of ninja who has had me as solid town read throughout.

I understand why I looked scummy earlier. I feel I've done everything I can to show I'm town. If you guys aren't interested in using the information available to you to narrow down the scum pool, that's your loss. You're wasting your time with me. I'm not going to flip scum, no matter how many of my posts you quote. So give it up and aim for people who are being allowed to coast by without attention imo.

[TheReverend]

apparently you've failed to read that i have a secret tell which i am applying to you, which i've already mentioned twice.

Oh I didn't fail to read that, I just basically give it as much credit as something like "I'm town because my role pm says so".

I have a magic scumread on you. I'm not going to tell you what it is though because I don't want you to stop making that mistake as scum.

Slam dunk.

[TheReverend]

Oh now you start doubting your read? After I say it's scummy of you to have such a solid and unwavering town read on me while others swing from scummy to town? Your buddying has failed so it's time to try and push this lynch through, is that it?

Ninja is scum and it's obvious as shit.

[TheReverend]

Post a video to livelinks if you do.

[TheReverend]

liveleaks

I knew what I meant.

pedit - hi ninja

[TheReverend]

My scum meta on this site is limited. Only time I've been scum, I replaced into a scum team two down and one on the ropes, so I was lone mafia for most of the game, so I laid low and took advantage of people not knowing my meta.

You want a rev scum tell - typos. If I'm not making any, I'm proof reading my posts.

[TheReverend]

I sometimes deliberately make typos when scum though... HAHAHA WIFOM

Seriously though I'm town, ask AngryPidgeon... he was unsre of me in my scum game while most others thought I was town.

[TheReverend]

ninja hasn't got a wagon has he? jiffy is not someone I have a town read on so he's an acceptable lynch for me. I'd rather lynch ninja though.

[TheReverend]

Oh and zab, you think my magic scum read on ninja was a serious comment? It wasn't. I think he's scum because he tried to buddy me, and when it failed, tried to take advantage of my current vulnerability. That's not a slam dunk scum read, but I got nothing better right now. My magic comment was me just mocking ninja's excuse for his town read on me.

[TheReverend]

vifam begging town to lynch me then switching to majiffy with no explanation is really fishy.

[TheReverend]

scum pool is ten big from my pov

[TheReverend]

And that assumes vifam is town... haven't updated my notes since that jiffy vote.

[TheReverend]

More town tells, that's what they are ninja

[TheReverend]

And that assumes vifam is town... haven't updated my notes since that jiffy vote.

implying you're paying attention to the game?

LOL

haha I must've said a billion times that I haven't been paying attention. But I still have a note doc with a list of who's alive, who I think is town, dead people etc etc... standard.

Why the sudden boner?

[TheReverend]

Because he's scum durrrrr

[TheReverend]

VOTE: uberninja

[TheReverend]

CLAIM -

Spoiler:

town

hahahaha suckerss you thought I was actually claiming

[TheReverend]

buld, what's your read on zab?

[TheReverend]

CLAIM -

Spoiler:

town

hahahaha suckerss you thought I was actually claiming

oh ho ho

it's even funnier the second time

except not really

Lessons in comedy from uberninja.

Lesson #1 - Say the opposite of what you mean, followed by "not"... pure gold.

[TheReverend]

VOTE: zabriel

[enter reason here]

[TheReverend]

mollie, why unvote majiffy is you think he's scum? You abandoning that wagon inspired me to jump ship.

[TheReverend]

Any of zab, uber and maj is good with me. I'll happily jump on any of those wagons.

[TheReverend]

I'm the mason.

[TheReverend]

HAHAHAHA just kidding I'm faking.

[TheReverend]

She didn't typo and mean rev, I assure you of that.

[TheReverend]

Hi, catching up, back in like three weeks or something.

[TheReverend]

I'm none the wiser. This game just went total headfuck. I feel like we're just random lynching until we hit another. I've never felt so out of my depth in a game of mafia before.

I think dan is town, mollie obv is. After that any of you fuckers could be scum.

[TheReverend]

Even me, Rev?

Oh yeah you're confirmed too lol. As for dan, I assume he's town because I'm guessing IaI is faking. He claims when he's getting heat, tells us he investigated the night kill, then he gives us a bad lynch which other people seem to be happy to excuse for him, and now he's telling us dan is scum. Alarm bells are ringing.

Yesterday is telling. He tells us early that matt is scum, and sits back and watches as town mislynches in record speed. No attempt to use the info he has to quietly gather info, no attempt to slow the wagon down while we wait for others who potentially have role info, just BAM matt is scum, fast lynch, and oh shit he's town.

And then pidgeon suggesting framer right off the bat today, this I find suspicious.

I'm still struggling to make any sense of all this myself. All I know is IaI is the person I trust the least, and I distrust anyone pushing the idea that he's legit.

[TheReverend]

And then pidgeon suggesting framer right off the bat today, this I find suspicious.

No you don't.

Yes I do.

I like dan's push at vifam. This is getting interesting now. I feel if IaI is scum, then so is vifam and pidgeon. If IaI is cop, I'm back to square one.

[TheReverend]

I notice IaI hasn't questioned his investigation today, despite giving us a bad lynch yesterday.

And this is what I was waiting for. Action Dan came back as scum. I was wondering why scum let me live must be they felt I'd be an easy mislynch after a bus driver or someone interfered.

vote action Dan

How can you be so sure IaI? What if the framer targetted dan? Why not even consider this possibility?

[TheReverend]

So you're confident that scum wouldn't have anticipated him investigating dan?

[TheReverend]

He was looking scummy and was a likely cop target maybe?

[TheReverend]

Oh, new page... ^ that was at mhork.

[TheReverend]

Yeah, more likely the "cop" is full of shit and is lining up mislynch after mislynch while we talk shit, right?

[TheReverend]

BULLSHIT COP seems most likley. Jeez what the fuck is wrong with you people?

Scum claims cop. Either...
a) it draws a CC, or
b) there is no cop and thus no CC

[TheReverend]

I'm bored and confused. Mhork and mollie should decide between them who to lynch, and I'll sheep. If you guys decide to lynch me, cheers.

[TheReverend]

VOTE: IAI

Not buying it.

[TheReverend]

VoteCount #5.01

I Am Innocent -

3

^L-4

borkjerfkin, ActionDan, TheReverend
ActionDan -

6

^L-1

I Am Innocent, Vifam, UberNinja, Majiffy, Lord Mhork, penguin_alien

With 12 alive it takes 7 to Lynch.

Not Voting:

Majiffy, AngryPidgeon, Aj the Epic, pirate mollie

Deadline / Bankable Time:

(expired on 2013-03-06 16:32:00)[/mech]

Haha quoted before you edit it into a VC

Anyway, I had this weird dream last night. Basically there was this bent cop, a giant pigeon, a penguin with a machine gun and some smirking black girl with a crown, and they were going round killing everyone, avenging the death of this pretty Indian girl who talked in broken English. I think it means something but I can't quite put my finger on it. Any of you people studied Freud or Jung?

[TheReverend]

Pfft

[TheReverend]

Actually uberninja is pretty suspect, first thing he posts today is "sup IAI", then pidgeon suggests framer (which I think is really fucking dodgy), then ninja says "pretty likely imo"... that seems like quite a swing in stance. From suspicious to not in 20 minutes.

I suspect penguin based purely on her posts of recent appearing insincere, so basically gut. I could happily swap penguin for ninja in my scum list.

I'm totally expecting dan to flip town, but I'm reluctant to try and stop this lynch because if he flips scum then it just means I probably get dead tomorrow. Fact is, if he flips town, we have a slam dunk lynch tomorrow in IAI and we can start to look at those who were pushing the idea he's legit, ie vifam and pidgeon. And if he flips scum, I'm wrong again and I'll shut up. So as much as I think IAI is scum and dan town, I don't hate this lynch.

[TheReverend]

ap, rev, if dan flips town or IaI scum you have to promise me like I mean your heart and hope to die PROMISE me you will lynches on or at least try to.

I thinks know you what mean.

So mollie, if IAI is scum, do you think pidgeon was sincere when he comes in today suggesting framer? Because it all seems a bit staged to me, I dunno why a townie would consider it his primary thought process, as opposed "oh my fucking god cop is a lying shit".

I think IAI scum means pidgeon scum. Not so sure about anyone else, uber and majiffy are certainly suspect so yeah I can help lynch these suckers. I'm also worried about penguin and vifam though.

pedit -

I'm town and you know this for a FACT.

What the fuck is this? How does mollie know for a FACT that you're town?

[TheReverend]

eta: xpost rev - I read ap as town. and I said the exact same thing about a possible framer on the mason board in the night round.

k I guess this makes me feel better about pidgeon.

And sure I'll lynch uber and/or jiffy if IAI flips scum or dan town. The mere thought of it gives me a boner.

[TheReverend]

Let's do it. Oh my god this will be really fucking amazing. Please let's do it.

VOTE: majiffy

[TheReverend]

Seriously though, maybe we should do this now while we have mollie's vote. The dan/IAI thing can wait for another day. If he's cop, it gives scum a choice between him and mollie. They should kill the cop, because otherwise they give town more confirmed info. So if mollie dies instead, we can trust IAI even less. But if IAI dies, we know dan is probably scum. Sure there's room for WIFOM, but worst case scenario is we get an extra cleared townie.

Wagon majiffy guys. We have a confirmed townie who has extensive history with jiffy claiming soulread.

[TheReverend]

Oh wait, worst case scenario is jiffy is town and so are both dan and IAI. That would be epically bad. If that's how it is, fuck this game.

[TheReverend]

The dan/IAI thing can wait for another day. If he's cop, it gives scum a choice between him and mollie. They should kill the cop, because otherwise they give town more confirmed info. So if mollie dies instead, we can trust IAI even less. But if IAI dies, we know dan is probably scum. Sure there's room for WIFOM, but worst case scenario is we get an extra cleared townie.

I think uberninja has a distorted view of the term "completely ignore".

[TheReverend]

So yeah, fuck ninja, anyone town wanna lynch jiffy? Feels like a better idea already.

[TheReverend]

Pfft this town lacks testicles.

Mhork, what do you think to a jiffy lynch?

[TheReverend]

Oh, and I would so bus the shit out of jiffy if we were scumbuddies. First chance I get. So don't be so quick to make any solid conclusions based on me wanting him dead.

[TheReverend]

But seriously it's not the right play.

If we're talking pure theory, then sure lynching majiffy is not correct. But this game is not just about pure theory, there's meta too. I have faith in mollie's read here, not least because I've been suspicious of him too. The fact we have a confirmed townie who has extensive history with jiffy telling us he's scum, this reinforces my belief he's scum. And there's strategic benefits to leaving this IAI vs dan thing until tomorrow, as outlined earlier. It forces the scum into a tough decision if IAI is town.

I just don't think we should be so hasty with this dan vs IAI thing. It's not the only option imo. I want mhork's opinion, between him and mollie they should be deciding what route town takes today.

[TheReverend]

I have a problem with allowing uberninja to bully mollie and town into doing what he feels is best. I kinda wish mhork was more keen on letting this dan/IAI thing stew for another night, if only to tell uberninja to shut up.

If it's dan vs IAI, I prefer IAI. That would be because I don't believe a fucking word he says.

[TheReverend]

I don't see a reason not to lynch Dan, though, unless someone writes up a very convincing case on IAI

lol

He got matt lynched by telling us he was scum when he wasn't.

I really think IaI is lying scum here still. But apparently no one sees this. Whatever. I only control one vote.

This post smacks of posturing. IAI has three votes, plus there's me willing to lynch him. You're not alone in wanting him dead. Why are you pretending you are?

[TheReverend]

I'm willing to hammer dan by the way. If there's no serious activity in the next 12 hours or so, I'll reluctantly hammer since mhork and mollie are both on this one. We still have penguin and pidgeon holding their votes, so I'll wait for now.

[TheReverend]

Didn't we already lynch someone he claimed scum on?

[TheReverend]

I just feel IAI is more likely scum. If it was 50-50, then dan is the better lynch based purely on the cop getting an extra investigation or forcing scum to kill him.

[TheReverend]

"What about all the other people not named Matt?

Actually my name is Matt too.

[TheReverend]

Ok well unless we're gonna sit around waiting for penguin and pidgeon to show up on the off chance they want IAI dead instead of dan, consider this post intent to hammer within the next hour or two. We can't waste much more time, so if anyone on the dan wagon intends to flip to IAI, now is the time. I still prefer IAI, but time etc.

[TheReverend]

I'm fencesitting am I? Bullshit. I already stated clearly that I think dan is town and IAI scum. My position is clear. One minute ninja is begging someone to end the day, next he's pointing his finger at someone who seems willing to oblige.

VOTE: IAI

pedit - scum is in this group... IAI, ninja, vijam, pidgeon, penguin, majiffy

[TheReverend]

pirate mollie - probtown

Haha fail.

Mollie is conf town ninja.

[TheReverend]

that's 6 out of the 8 people that don't include yourself, dead people, or confirmed town

lol

Ok, scum is IAI then some of the remaining group. You want a few >>>s so you can see strongest to weakest?

IAI > majiffy > ninja > vifam > penguin > pidgeon

i don't remember you saying much about bork and AJ at all, come to think of it

Because I think they're town maybe?

aaaand, you're gone

STOP QUICKPOSTING

[TheReverend]

do you really think IAI was planning to set up a fake claim, and was able to pull off 2 scum results on townies, 2 days in a row?

Yes.

[TheReverend]

oh you're just on invisible

like me

heyoooo

Yeah I like to lurk as both town and scum, can't be doing with having to explain it's a null tell every game.

[TheReverend]

majiffy - scum
uber goober - scum

Agree... + IAI... I imagine there's one more.

[TheReverend]

why do you think bork and AJ are town?

nvm i'll go check

I've pointed the finger at both during this game, I believe. But, I think they're town based on the other 6 people looking far scummier.

[TheReverend]

You seem to want as many people suspected as possible.

so ... everybody looks scummy except the conftown?

At some point in the game, yes. Why is that a surprise? No-one here has succeeded in defining themselves as town, aside from the confirmed.

[TheReverend]

Oh, I'm pretty sure I had a town read on Matt throughout.

[TheReverend]

that's 6 out of the 8 people that don't include yourself, dead people, or confirmed town

lol

Hang on, there's something wrong with this... I didn't name 3 people... bork, AJ and dan... so how's that 6 of 8?

[TheReverend]

It's 6 of 9, with 4 scum out there... therefore, it's not a ridiculous reads list. Your list ninja has three scum reads when there's probably four scum. Nice work.

pedit - what slip is that mollie?

[TheReverend]

Oh wait I'm being retarded, ninja did name four potential scums. Ignore my last comment.

[TheReverend]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[TheReverend]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

yeah you're gonna need more than this

Am I?

Ok...

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Better?

[TheReverend]

Seriously though, saying I think someone is scum, and then saying he's probably town because he doesn't looks as scummy as others, this is a pretty large null tell. Due to the fact I'm town, I'm basically guessing. Also, as scum I'm MUCH more consistent with my "reads" because I pay a lot more attention to my ISO.

I could be wrong about AJ, he could be scum. But, he's less likely than the other six right now, imo.

[TheReverend]

So you must be scum then ninja, because you insist I'm scum based on me having AJ as scum earlier and not now. Reads changing over time is a town tell in my experience. Be more worried about those who seem to remain fixated on the same people.

But no, ninja wants to press this as a huge scum tell. This is pushing for my mislynch. He thinks my awful ISO is going to make me an easy target. He might be right to be fair, but I'm pretty sure now that ninja is scum.

Note jiffy's post...

But if we lynch Rev and he flips scum, I will.

When I flip town, this kills the AJ link, right?

I've changed my mind. I think scum is IAI, jiffy, ninja and... drumroll please... AJ.

I fucked up calling him town and now the scum are trying to seize on it.

[TheReverend]

It's pretty much IAI vs dan at this point pidgeon.

[TheReverend]

Penguin, it's L-2 since mollie switched to IAI. I was going to hammer until mollie switched to IAI, I gave 12 hours notice and he's posted since, so I'm not concerned about a claim.

Ok so we have pidgeon, mollie and myself willing to lynch jiffy. Anyone else?

[TheReverend]

...so if we end up nailing scum in AJ down the line I'd revisit, particularly depending on how AJ comes off in the intervening days.

I think this is the point, hence why I've moved to AJ scum with ninja. This seems really opportunistic of ninja, he's ignoring the point that town regularly changes reads and is persisting with the idea I'm scum simply because I've not been consistent with AJ. Do you think scum would wildly swing opinion like that? Especially regarding a scumbuddy? For those who note meta, you should worry a lot more about me if it seems like I'm checking my ISO to ensure consistency. It should be clear that I haven't been doing that this game.

[TheReverend]

I kinda hope you are town ninja, just so you feel like an uber dick when you see my flip.

I haven't been calling AJ scum all day. I made one comment suggesting he was posturing. My scum reads on AJ are from way before today. I've been inconsistent with AJ because I'm town and I don't know his role, duh.

[TheReverend]

I kinda hope you are town ninja, just so you feel like an uber dick when you see my flip.

i am an uber dick either way

but thanks for betraying that you don't actually have a real scum read on me

I haven't been calling AJ scum all day. I made one comment suggesting he was posturing. My scum reads on AJ are from way before today. I've been inconsistent with AJ because I'm town and I don't know his role, duh.

ohhhh that makes PERFECT sense

so when exactly did he flip from being a scum read (all game) to a town read (all of a sudden, today)?

lol you're really good at misrepping, aren't you?

"I kinda hope you are town" does not equate to "I think you're town". Nice try.

AJ has not been a scum read all game. I've been basically unsure about him and you're gleefully doing your best to link me to him because my read on him has been inconsistent (which in itself is consistent with my town meta).

You are not behaving like town here ninja. This is opportunism at its finest. It's funny how you've been inconsistent with your read on me yet inconsistency is all of a sudden a scum tell when it's somebody else. I was obvtown until it became clear that your buddying was failing.

[TheReverend]

what it means is you don't actually think i'm scum, you just want it to look like you do

No, it does not mean that at all, because I actually do think you're scum. I like how you and jiffy are trying to put some distance between you now. It's cute.

[TheReverend]

And tried to lynch Rev earlier too. And will in the future.

But not because you think I'm scum, but because you know I'm going to vote you... right?

[TheReverend]

What it's like arguing with uberninja...



And jiffy...

[TheReverend]

Yeah I was scraping the barrel with the baby one, but I didn't want to leave you out.

Also, VOTE: majiffy

[TheReverend]

You coulda gone with this

Canned laughter makes me cringe.

[TheReverend]

Haha I typed out a what the fuck response to bork's comment, but the logic smacked me in the face before I submitted.

[TheReverend]

And IAI again mollie? Well ok then.

VOTE: IAI

[TheReverend]

I'm V/LA over next few days, I'll be vaguely about tomorrow but friday and saturday I'm likely to be offline.

[TheReverend]

lol vote hopping on day one is a scum tell is it? Jesus you three are clutching at straws now. I smell panic in the air.

Majiffy and AJ seems obvscum to me after their last posts. AJ is all "I had rev as town" but knows full well I was throwing lots of votes around on day one. So if that's a scum tell to him, why did he have me as town in the first place? And if it's not a scum tell, why is he positioning himself to use it against me to justify a rev vote?

And majiffy... the old "scum are keeping me alive for lylo lynch" is bollocks. The same could be said about anyone who is a low value NK for them. Such as me.

ninja seems very focussed on me too. What happened to the special town tells I was giving earlier that you wouldn't share with us? Oh yeah, your buddying failed, that's why I'm scum. Of course.

We got this town. It's majiffy ninja AJ and one of dan/IAI. Locked.

[TheReverend]

We should lynch someone. Anyone town on the dan wagon... ask yourself why this IAI wagon is not going through. Dan is on L-2 and there's two people currently not voting for him that have shown a willingness to... myself and mollie. That lynch can go through with two town votes. But the IAI lynch is meeting resistance. We have a claimed cop who seems to be stalling at L-2 with no-one else seeming willing to lynch him. This for me is telling.

There comes a point where myself and mollie need to move onto dan, because otherwise we'll be here all week. I'm not around tomorrow or saturday, so if I'm gonna need to change my vote to save bankable time, it should be done today. So decision time town. Townies on the dan wagon need to consider shifting their vote, and if they're unwilling to, me and mollie need to shift onto dan.

[TheReverend]

Because scum don't want to bus? Makes me worried we're at mylo tbh.

[TheReverend]

If there's 4 scum, that's 8 town... we lynch town and lose one tonight... 4-6... yeah they're gonna need two other kills... I didn't crunch the numbers.

[TheReverend]

If there's 5 scum left though... it wouldn't be a 6 scum team would it?

[TheReverend]

How dare you accuse me of not paying attention.

*cough*

[TheReverend]

I'm down with super fast lynch seeing as time is an issue.

VOTE: IAI

[TheReverend]

Mhork, you still around? Thoughts? You're most likely NK, seeing as your conftown and all.

[TheReverend]

Oh for fuck's sake, why doesn't he self hammer like scum does in this spot? If you're town, fuck this game.

[TheReverend]

Oh yay, mass claim! I'd expect there to be 3 more scum, a team of 4 with a traitor seems imbalanced towards town. But then again I'm not experienced, I'm basing that purely from the traitor wiki page.

Thus, I would imagine we're at MYLO.

[TheReverend]

Just two suspects ninja?

In order of scumminess, I got jiffy, vifam, bork

I think we're pretty fucked tbh. We've basically got to lynch the shit out of them one after another. Can't see it happening.

[TheReverend]

Rev is scum

No, I'm not.

What happened to AJ and ninja reads? They're next in my list. Something about top scum reads? I'm applying the pidgeon kill information to my reads. Why did he die instead of mhork? Has anyone actually read his posts since he died? I have. He wanted jiffy, vifam and bork dead. He said we might have a chance if we can avoid mislynching either me or AJ. Think AP has a town read on ninja too.

And ninja, I didn't try to make you look scummy with the two reads thing. I didn't go on to name you as top scum pick did I? As pointed out, you've dropped off my radar today, so how am I trying to make you look scummy? I was merely reminding you there's probably more than two scum.

[TheReverend]

Rev what happened to your scumreads on AJ and UberNInja

Really, only scum tries to make someone look scummy for changing their reads after a night phase.

[TheReverend]

Well ninja, if you're town, your stubbornness is a serious problem for town. We need to lynch scum. There's nothing I can say that will prove I'm town, you're gonna have to see my flip. I'm not going to spend today fighting mislynch. If it's how we lose, so be it. Scum have this pretty much wrapped up and I just want it over. I might have enough enthusiasm to defend myself if we somehow kill two scum.

[TheReverend]

you know what, i don't want to play havoc with majiffy/rev

vote: penguin_alien

Cmon man this is sloppy. MYLO etc.

[TheReverend]

Didn't notice vifam's vote. Missed the posts on the last page since my last post. Yeah vifam's vote is sloppy too, even if it is who we're lynching today.

We're claiming before we lynch. Unvote, dickheads.

[TheReverend]

Ok. Vanilla here.

@bork - I found it immediately interesting why pidgeon got killed. I wanted to see what reaction I'd get if I named the same three people he did.

jiffy is painfully obvscum. vifam, I think scum. Bork, this is where I'm sheeping pidgeon. I know pidgeon is a strong townie, and I now know he's town. Thus, his reads are a factor when forming my reads, especially since he got NK'ed unexpectedly. Pidgeon felt ninja and AJ are both town. I respect pidgeon's opinion, and now I know I can trust his opinion. It's not unusual for me to shift position after a night phase.

pedit - fuck's sake guys.

We are lynching majiffy today. ninja, remove your fucking vote. How is it not obvious that it's beyond retarded to throw down a vote like that at MYLO?

[TheReverend]

You and vifam, sure. Dunno about ninja.

[TheReverend]

Not yet. I'd sooner let mhork lead the town.

[TheReverend]

i know "too scummy to be scum" isn't a thing, but "too fucking boneheaded to be scum" is where i'm at with uber.

I think this is where I'm heading with ninja.

I think pidgeon was wrong about bork.

So jiffy and vifam, plus one more. I don't like our chances.

[TheReverend]

Sheep the clear is such a successful tactic on EM, why not use it here?

Sheep the clear is better than sheep the scummy bastard.

[TheReverend]

Oh for fuck's sake ninja.

Step 1. Unvote your retarded vote.
Step 2. Read AP's most recent posts.

I'm starting to lean penguin for 3rd scum. That doesn't make your vote any less retarded ninja, because it's MYLO and right now we should be claiming and talking.

Had jiffy claimed yet?

[TheReverend]

Ninja, it's pretty difficult for me to take your reads seriously when not so long ago you were saying you couldn't see me flipping town. So I'll be fucked if I'm lynching penguin on your say so.

[TheReverend]

Vifam is full of shit.

[TheReverend]

Yeah we're waiting for AJ before we lynch. Ninja, penguin maybe well be scum, but stop with the premature ejaculation.

vifam. You added bork to your list of scum, in the very same post you question why I dropped AJ and ninja. Now apparently you're using the AD flip to refine your reads, yet you're still questioning why I changed mine?

You're scum.

[TheReverend]

That's because I thought AD was scum and he didn't flip scum

I find it hard to believe that anyone, regardless of alignment, seriously expected dan to flip scum. Those town who were on him, I would hazard a guess that they were 60-40 in favour of dan being scum over IAI. So I don't expect anyone to be forming their reads based on those odds, I'd expect town to wait for the flip.

It's you and jiffy. Hopefully penguin 3rd, but maybe AJ, bork or ninja.

[TheReverend]

Whatever ninja, I'm not going to spend my time arguing with you while I think you're town. It's a waste of energy.

Just know that jiffy and vifam are very probably scum. AJ says he's going to shine today, that's awesome because it shows he's going to give us some content today. We can judge him based off that.

If you want penguin lynched today, wall a case instead of taking pot shots at me.

[TheReverend]

I've got friends round for poker. Let's not lynch anyone yet please.

[TheReverend]

So just to be clear, everyone claimed vanilla, right?

Why does AJ think there's 2 scum left? This from the traitor wiki...

Note that if there is a Traitor in the game, this implies that the main Mafia group is undersized by one.

Standard is around 20%, right? So I would imagine there's 4 scum and one traitor... thus, 3 left, MYLO. I'm not buying into this false sense of security.

Top two scum picks would be jiffy and vifam.

[TheReverend]

so how many of you have penguin as your #3?

Joint #3 with you.

[TheReverend]

I'll probably be voting majiffy.

I'm leaning jiffy, vifam and penguin right now, but ninja does not have me feeling comfortable. His game is hardly pro-town. I'm guessing that's just his style.

[TheReverend]

VOTE: Majiffy

Majiffy drugged me to vote TheUnderarchives . i agree on this.

VOTE: Majiffy

Well fuck. This has me doubting. Did vifam and arc set out to hardcore bus jiffy at beginning of d2?

Don't lynch anyone yet please. I'm gonna do more hunting later. Others should be hunting too. Mod's ISO is a good place to start.

[TheReverend]

but it's cute how you keep backtracking and hoping it makes you look town, rev

You're either scum or bad.

[TheReverend]

Props to AP for nailing me. Im still not sure what you saw.

Yeah me neither, when he died I went through his later posts and thought it pointed to you, but when I ISO'd you, I didn't get an overwhelming sense of scumminess.

I was a threat to uber and vifam, sure. But I'm not so sure about bork. I was ready to abandon my scum read on jiffy based on vifam and arc voting him fast on d2. I think I'd have looked at AJ before bork. Not sure.

Yeah well played scum, you motherfuckers. I tend to play better in these big games later when the field is thinner. Jiffy will argue that case since I've mislynched him at lylo before, but he was ldo lynch because his town play is soooo fucking scummy! This one ended just as I was ready to put some real work in.

[TheReverend]

MattP is actually good though.

Also I question how people thought Rev was anything but obv-town

I'm very erratic, it's easy to point the finger at me.

[TheReverend]

No question IAI is MVP. Town is bad for falling for that crap twice, but that shouldn't take the shine off his performance.

[TheReverend]

to be fair, we played a pretty solid day game as well

You might get more pats on the back from the others who thought you were town, but I was trying hard to figure out why people had a town read on you. And vifam was obvious as shit. But, you're both still alive, so credit is due. You're right that my habit of OMGUS loses me cred, but often I'm just reaction baiting. I played pretty shit this game, I was lost early on and by the time I was starting to look in the right places the game was over. But I feel better about vifam and ninja being scum, because that's what my gut was saying.

[TheReverend]

I'm gonna defend Matt. Fake claiming as town might often be anti-town, but it's entertaining. We should be playing this game for fun, with winning next priority. It makes the game interesting.

[TheReverend]

For a posh game of Mafia, I feel like if we'd had a swear jar going, we could throw a pizza party off the proceeds from this game!

Pizza party? Champagne and caviar, my fair lady.

Champagne straight from the bottle, that is. I don't fucking do posh.

[TheReverend]

Killing chkflip was a huge favour to the mod, whether intended or not.

Thanks for modding. Don't sweat on the fuck up regarding chk, I'm pretty sure you're not the only person in this game who will learn from that. Easy mistake to make. The game survived the errors so all good in the end. Congrats to scum, reading the scum QT sheds new light on uber. He puts a lot of thought into his scum game. But IAI is still MVP because he managed to take two townies down with him. The dan lynch was were town lost imo. That fast wagon was pretty awful tbh. I'm glad I wasn't around that day, because it would've frustrated me to hell.