NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[MattP]

Oooooh

I've claimed like 5 things so far

Is that what you mean?

Daycop, hider, some other things

[MattP]

but no serious commiting claims right?

Nah man

[MattP]

I hope I was investigated last night

That would be hot

Here's a question

Why weren't the two "confirmed town" targeted last night

[MattP]

I am gonna push it

It's fuckin BIZARRE that DREAMS OF GRANDEUR was killed over you

It looks like scum made a bullshit WIFOM NK to avoid spec about IAI

[MattP]

The only time EVER that a scummy player is scum NKd is because they want to cause confusion

Why would confusion have to happen last night? HMMM maybe because there are two "confirmed town" that aren't so confirmed

IDGAF about you, we can derive nothing about your alignment from you not being killed. If IAI flips scum you're no longer confirmed and add shittons of WIFOM to your alignment. Should you be town scum would love to see you live assuming IAI is scum. Everything points to IAI-scum because of the NK

Am I gonna ACTIVELY push it today? No. But this should be something that's dealt with before lylo. Let IAI spew out a few more investigations. IDGAF

[MattP]

Let's just say this. If IAI were town and PM was also now confirmed town and scum wanted to avoid a possible no kill on IAI why wouldn't they have killed PM last night

If IAI is scum shit changes, they can possibly get a mislynch out of PM after IAI flips

[MattP]

oh so now you want to talk to me matt I FIND THAT FUNNY

I NEVER said I want to talk to you but go ahead and feel cool

[MattP]

Who started the initial seed of doubt about me being town when I was an initial universal townread? Whoever that was, if they are scum then well done. I think it was UN. You get a pat on the back.

[MattP]

Oh and btw a lesson for you all come end-game

Your first read is almost always your right read. Early game play is the world. Om was scum early game and guess what he flipped scum. I'll flip town. Take a lesson that your flipflopping isn't helpful if you have a

surefire

early read on a player.

[MattP]

Who started the initial

seed of doubt about me being town

when I was an initial universal townread? Whoever that was, if they are scum then well done. I think it was UN. You get a pat on the back.

CAN WE PLZ LYNCH THIS BITCH IT WILL BE AWSUM I PROMISE

Now now, don't be

too

antagonistic, it may get in the way of your clarity

[MattP]

[MattP]

I hate that I have to self-censor on this site sometimes

Why are you so irate? It's a game of mafia. Sit back, relax

[MattP]

Oh I totally missed that

[MattP]

Oh yeah 3 confirmed townies and a cop

mhm real balanced

[MattP]

I'm super excited to see IAI's investigation

[MattP]

I'm not SURE. I don't want him dead today either. I think this is INCREDIBLY unbalanced to have 5 confirmed town by D3 (not including cop)

But yeah let's let him throw out two or three more investigations we've gone over this

[MattP]

PV, JS, UN, and penguin are my four scummiest remaining reads

PM, I didn't do anything to you. Don't tunnel vision me to tunnel vision me. First day phase you had me as surefire town. Maybe you should reread to see why without a guard up

[MattP]

At the very least PM would have been NKd if IAI were town. Dream NK does not make ANY sense unless scum have a role cop and actually thought that was a more lucrative NK than a conftown NK

Scum didn't know PM was going to be confirmed. It makes perfect sense if IAI is scum to keep PM alive because when IAI flipped scum it would implicate PM who was a scumread already for a lot of people.

[MattP]

PV, JS, UN, and penguin are my four scummiest remaining reads

PM, I didn't do anything to you. Don't tunnel vision me to tunnel vision me. First day phase you had me as surefire town. Maybe you should reread to see why without a guard up

you fake claimed in order to get IaI lynched you should be torched for that

Please don't "policy" this shit. My move made sense if I was reaction testing IAI. The chance IAI would have been cop was abysmally small and I didn't even consider it. I was trying to pressure IAI into a fakeclaim. If he was town he would have 1v1d me and said, "no, you're lying! I'm a VT so you didn't receive a gun read on me!". My move made perfect reaction test sense. I reaction test anyway as both alignments. In Game of the year I fakeclaimed daycop on scum and had them lynched because my read was so damn strong. You have no reason to be voting me other than you wanting to get back at me, which is antitown.

[MattP]

Who started the initial seed of doubt about me being town when I was an initial universal townread? Whoever that was, if they are scum then well done. I think it was UN. You get a pat on the back.

I don't and won't ever trust you, not even if you were a mod-confirmed Innocent Child Mason Tree Stump who'd flipped town twice.

Is this, like, in this game or in general?

At the very least PM would have been NKd if IAI were town. Dream NK does not make ANY sense unless scum have a role cop and actually thought that was a more lucrative NK than a conftown NK

Scum didn't know PM was going to be confirmed. It makes perfect sense if IAI is scum to keep PM alive because when IAI flipped scum it would implicate PM who was a scumread already for a lot of people.

who was I scum read for other than uber goober who is probably your scummate?

You were a scumread for a LOT of people especially day one. IAI claimed a townread on you halfway through day 2. I was advocating most strongly for you being town. Seriously I'm pointing out that your reasoning for thinking I'm scum, if it's your only reason, is bad. At least TRY to give me like FIVE SECONDS of unbiased behavior GOD FORBID I'm town

Look at War is Hell, you would get a kick out of that game. I'm trying to avoid that situation. Please spare me.

[MattP]

I'm not seeing any of it. I'm seeing chaos and AtE through and through, which is scum-matt

See: War is Hell

Whatever, I don't give a fuck about you, you're scum

Honestly I haven't give more than 2 shits about this game since D1 and am being a liability regardless of my alignment. I should probably replace out because I'm not able to give it the time needed and am just spewing snarky filler

[MattP]

if you are town then holy jesus fuck I hope I am never in the same game again with you cos you are truly terrible and I don't give a shit how many scummy awards you have.

You're right, I've neglected this game. I'm not a shitty player, I'm just being shitty.

[MattP]

Like seriously now people are just jabbing at me for bullshit. 2765 is just unnecessary

I think PV and UN would be good ideas of people to look at

[MattP]

Maybe IAI will bring home the moolah

[MattP]

How the heck does saying I self investigated draw out any claim or impact anyone negatively? Why are you justifying a shitty jab at me?

[MattP]

THANK YOU

VOTE: PV

[MattP]

Bus for your cute towncred love

[MattP]

How is that town? WTF

He just tried to justify a post he made by using completely faulty logic

[MattP]

Oyea UN and I are scumbuddies and just double pushed on PV genius!

[MattP]

I like how you're using me ACCIDENTALLY OUTING THE COP to JUSTIFY ME AS SCUM

Replace me

I'm literally the bane of this game's existence. I'm not paying attention enough, I'm being antagonized for things out of my control and I don't have the time to invest to retort, sorry I've sucked this game. That is all.

[MattP]

I'm lurking because I don't LITERALLY don't have time. I haven't read about 40 pages of this game. And I'm replacing so that I stop doing it. GL. Last post

[MattP]

I'm not being a drama queen. You want me to "make up for it"? I haven't seriously read actually probably the last 60 pages looking over shit. I can't do it. I literally don't have time. It wasn't a HUGE deal when nothing much was required of me, but I can't form updated reads. You want me to read a specific player? I'll ISO. But you're asking me to "prove myself generally as town". I. Can't. Do. That right now. I'm in a situation where EVERYTHING I'm doing is AtE because that's the only card I can use with my time crunch. And that's not helping and won't help. I'm not being a baby, I'm being realistic and understanding that I have other commitments that prevent me from giving the full attention to this game. When I was in it to win it this game I was obvtown. It's all being disregarded and the major argument against me is that I'm active lurking. Obviously I am, I'm admitting it. That won't change. Will that get me lynched because of something out of the realm of my control (without harming my grades)? Yes. Should I put someone in that has the time? Of course.

[MattP]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1025

This is where my classes started. You want my schedule? I'm overloaded on credits and I have 11 hours of MCAT classes on weekends. I was adjusting to classes and I fell behind starting THERE and now I don't have time to catch up with the speed of this game. I usually force myself to not fall too far behind but I fucked up seriously. This isn't me on a damn soapbox, don't be a prick

[MattP]

Rescind replacement request

Ok, here's my EXACT question.

Would you rather I haven't read anything but stay in in order to not fuck another person replacing into my slot, or would you rather I stay in

[MattP]

I'll read SPECIFIC ISOs need be but I really can't catch up. I'll read everything from this point onward

[MattP]

or would you rather I replace*

[MattP]

By the way I'm REALLY sorry my almost replacing caused a change of pace on wagons. I really did not mean to fuck with the flow of the game. I really felt bad replacing and I knew it would unfluence the game, but I really have been so overloaded and I fucked up. I've just been so motivated this semester and have really been on my A game and it's detracted from my forum contribution. I won't be joining any new games until May, in case you think I haven't learned my lesson.

[MattP]

VOTE: JS

[MattP]

do you actually think he's scum or is this another one of your clever boredom initiatives

I've called him one of my scumreads for awhile, but thanks.

[MattP]

IAI: Did you get a "no result", or a "if dreams hadn't died you would have received a town result"

[MattP]

IAI: Did you get a "no result", or a "if dreams hadn't died you would have received a town result"

lmao, who the fuck does that "if he hadn't died" shit

as a mod, i would send a town result at the same time I did the flip, because that's when i'd send it anyway, if he hadn't died

You get the point

[MattP]

Rev is town btw in case you didn't realize

[MattP]

You're fucking moronic.

I've made two setups and approved of one

13p = 3 scum

17 = 4

21 = 5

You add 1 scum for every 4 players

I'll even find you a fucking thread about it in mafia discussion

But yes, a fucking "scum slip"

I don't scum slip

[MattP]

Matt made this post before we had seen any flips or had any rational reason to believe there was only one scum team

Would you like examples of where I was presumptuous about setup as town and over cautious NOT to be as SCUM? Would that make you excited you perverted little fuck?

[MattP]

UN your scumhunting frankly sucks and is not like your townplay. As town you understand what textbook play is and actually have layers to your scumhunting. Here it's just idiotic.

[MattP]

All right, I believe your rant

I still think you're being completely stupid this game, and great it's because you're demoralized, as am I, but don't push stupid ass shit just because there's nothing to grab into. You know me and my play. Newbs scumslip on setup spec. I do NOT setup scumslip. I never have and I never will.

[MattP]

And I think you're scum, so this will be even better than if I thought you were town.

(>o.o)> >>>>>bad reads this way >>>>>>> UN land

[MattP]

I have never fully melted down as scum actually and you can check my meta for that

I've melted down in:

1) WiH (town)
2) SoL in/ (town)
3) Disney Mafia (town)

In all three it was because I was going to be mislynched.

Compare that to my (I think) two scum games where I was lynched, being a micro game idr and my first scumgame on site which idr

[MattP]

That's actually a good catch about my meta

[MattP]

This town is too demoralized

We need a leader

I vote JS

[MattP]

UN, your versatile nature of being able to willy nilly vote with your scumreads but condemn them simultaneously is absolutely heart-warming [:

[MattP]

oooh good point IM GONNA ISO OM B/C HES A TRANSPARENT LIL FUCKER SOMETIMES

[MattP]

I think UberBoober is off his game.

no, as in, who the fuck are you to tell me i'm off my game, and how the fuck would you even know if i was off my game?

I've barely seen a lick of scumhunting from you.
This is not normal and I am worried for your health.

Ok, I feel:

Mhork is scum
UN is town

After looking over Om's iso

Om's votes on UN and Bitmap read versatile and seems like he's acknowledging the chance they can be town. And UN's interaction w/ Mhork was not fabricated. Om hones in on Mhork for a very vague reason and antagonizes him for the rest of his play in the game AND jumps off Mhork for UN even though he's convinced seemingly that Mhork is scum.

VOTE: Mhork

[MattP]

Is Mhork dead or sumthin?

[MattP]

PROOF I HAVENT READ ANY OF THIS THREAD

UNVOTE

[MattP]

My reads suck btw

[MattP]

now now be nice UN

[MattP]

Btw IAI is scum

We don't have four confirmed town and a cop

So I was right on that read

[MattP]

Wait but seriously can we talk about 4 conftown in a setup and a cop for a second please

[MattP]

Ok whatever dude just dont let him survive til endgame is all Im saying

I'd like him to investigate me tonight BTW if we can all agree

Why? Because I'm lurkaderping and I'm not going to be able to defend myself from a lynch so it's sparing us a wasted day SUPPOSING he's town

[MattP]

VOTE: Maiffy

[MattP]

Also why does it seem like this game now consists of like 5 players and everyone else has turned to lurksacks?

I was a lurksack before it was even cool

[MattP]

All right

VOTE: buldermar

[MattP]

Oh now I get why you're all fucking raging about me reading the game asap - deadline is bankable. I'm sorry that I was unaware of this, and I'm reading the game right now fwiw.

Scumslip! The town role PM explicitly asks you to confirm by stating it's bankable deadline

Go get 'em UN you feisty lil scumcatchin tiger

[MattP]

rar [:

[MattP]

ITT everyone is a PR and we have 10 preconfirmed townies and a cop

[: looks like an autowin 2 me

GJ every1!

[MattP]

Success, my secret plan worked charmingly, with all of the VTs claimed b/c of my super secret and evil plan in 3515 (to have all the VTs claim), and my previous secret mind massage & brain acupuncture working on pirate to get her to claim mason for no reason whatsoever, I've found all of the town roles and now I shall bring this information to the scum QT for our secret plans to rule the world [=

[MattP]

That wasn't a scumslip that was supposed to be a PM to the mod only

[MattP]

Pls don't read it or ur an asshole

[MattP]

Guys, I hereby name myself, "He Who Makes Them Claim"

[MattP]

It landed on Zabriel

Seriously not even lying

[MattP]

Guys, I hereby name myself, "He Who Makes Them Claim"

Dr. Claimsnatcher

lol yea thaz me

[MattP]

I'm in your boat man

[MattP]

VOTE: Zabriel

[MattP]

Lynch one of them and I'm on the wagon like white on rice.

I have a GIANT pot of black rice in my fridge right now idiot

[MattP]

i acupunctured the shit outta ur brain

[MattP]

i acupunctured the shit outta ur brain

I bet you could not find a needle in a hole if your life depended on it

zab/majiffy which one are you willing to vote for

I am less convinced of a zab lynch despite penguin's ringing endorsement cos of the associative tells on majiffy.

there is also rev to consider.

be a pal here and either vote your scum buddies or help town out if you are town.

take a stance

I voted didn't I?

[MattP]

Oh shit we've got another PR [:

This was me

At least one PR is a lying fucker and it's probably IAI. I'm betting two are with Zab being one too soooo just saying

But Zab it's too late you already locked yourself into a shitty roleclaim no turning back

[MattP]

Listen man you should CC IAI cuz that would be adorable

[MattP]

Lets save that for later Okay PMatt

rly racist that you would insinuate that b/c im jewish i would save shit ur a dick whatever man

[MattP]

I actually had you for ProjectMatt for a minute lol

ummmmmmm ok idk if that's a compliment

[MattP]

yea what AP said

[MattP]

I should have just let him claim a PR

[MattP]

Whatever I actually think it's more damning what he just did (threatened us and then acted as if he never planned to claim a PR when I made it seem not lucrative) than if he just claimed the PR

[MattP]

Seriously stop vote hopping AP, it's part of the reason this game has such low morale. Zab had a shitty claim. He's a good target. We have bankable time. REALLY not the time to vote hop.

[MattP]

He's also playing into the "IDGAF" mood that's been reeking around this game which looks crappy

[MattP]

I know that we have a bankable deadline but that doesn't necessarily mean we have to play all fast & loose the majority of the game

It's not even that. Honestly I don't care about deadlines. I'm just using that as another reason since everyone cares so much about it. I think it was a shitty claim. I think we're dragging this on too long because we can't be cohesive. We fuck up? It's ZAB'S fault. We rock. We mess up we'll pull ourselves back up tomorrow. We just need some sort of movement in this game because my care-o-meter is at 1% currently and I am, if you can't tell, ready to vote for even a moderate scumread. Sooo yeah. Shitty claim. Day too long. No morale. Time for a lynch.

[MattP]

I didn't mean for it to get this out of hand, but yes, thank you for making me feel bad for fucking up this game

[MattP]

So I'm trying to fix it. Ok? Cool?

[MattP]

I REALLY don't like when I completely fuck up games. It's either one or the other (no I'm not being arrogant, games always end with either everyone telling me to go fuck myself or the opposite). I did it in Disney. I did in it WiH. I'm going to try to NOT do that now here. I'll try finding a worthwhile read overnight. Good?

[MattP]

Unvote

I actually believe that and now I'm being a hypocritical fucker

[MattP]

Ok let's make this a quickwagon please

VOTE: Majiffy

[MattP]

IaI plz pretty plz view matt

Seconded [:

[MattP]

If IAI doesn't investigate me consider it a scumclaim btw

[MattP]

Majiffy, the fact that you even have PM as a possible scumread stinks

[MattP]

That's a complete breakage of site rules. When you're out of a game you're out of a game. If the post is intended in any way to influence the game and is anything more that, "good luck!" or something like that then he should be reported immediately. Don't open the PM, message Maestro and have Maestro message JS and ask JS what the PM contained. Save the PM until after the game ends. That is all.

[MattP]

it isn't a post it is a pm

it is in no way zombie play, which is what you are trying to paint it as. however I am going to go with that this issue has come up before on this site and let maestro settle it. specials need to know what the player who had the previous slot's actions were so that they can be accountable for their future ones.

not to mention there are some roles where you cannot target someone consecutively and that can have a direct impact on the game.

1) I sad PM

2) I have NO idea what you're trying to insinuate here when you don't know, just as much as I don't, what that PM contained but ok tell me about zombie play

[MattP]

Rev is town this is idiotic

[MattP]

I don't know, jiffy, I'm not well informed, but rev is town

[MattP]

Ok buld is like conftown

[MattP]

SOMEONE probably targeted me N1 then which means I'm maaaybe town just sayin

[MattP]

SOMEONE probably targeted me N1 then which means I'm maaaybe town just sayin

That's not how a bodyguard works.

you think I actually read what TYPE of protective role he was?

[MattP]

AHAHAHAHAHA

stop it IaI, STOP IT

that is like the third time you have read my mind

also I believe buldey's claim

And now you can read the line where I said I didn't know he was a bodyguard, but cool continue the entire game antagonizing me for the sole purpose of being a dick I really appreciate it

[MattP]

yes I can see how you could misinterpret "bodyguard" for "protective role"

never mind they are very different words and that "supposedly" you are decent player

jesus christ if you continue to pull this emo shit I am going to want to lynch you

IaI PLZ FUCKING VIEW MATT. BULDEY PLZ FUCKING BODYGUARD IaI IF YOU ARE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM TOWN

I DIDNT FUCKING READ THE THREAD YOU INSUFFERABLE FUCK

ALL I SAW WAS "I CAN PROTECT" AND I THOUGHT "PROTECT" EQUALS "DOCTOR"

FTR YOU'RE TERRIBLE TA

-ME

[MattP]

You're literally a dodo brain

you CONTINUE to act as if I'm thoroughly reading the thread and shit all over yourself and bathe in it because you feel so mighty for some fucked up reason

Find some other person to bother

[MattP]

I'm not dramaqueening dumbass you're being a prick

Go fuck yourself

Definition of dramaqueen: queen of drama

HMMM WHO'S THE PERSON THAT'S TRYING TO BE A FUCKING BITCH IN EVERY POST IN THE GAME DIRECTED AT ME TO INCITE DRAMA

SPOILER: PM

You have a problem with me ignore me. You're not scumhunting by being a douchelord so go masturbate over there

[MattP]

I mean every damn post you make about me is saying I

1) Suck
2) Am an idiot
3) Am a dramaqueen that's fragile

I'm ignoring you to the best of my ability

You're what like 25? Act like a fucking adult and ignore me if you have an issue with me. I seriously majorly dislike you this game and have NO intention to converse with you. If that for some perverted reason makes you feel even MORE inclined to be a bitch towards me instead of respecting that and finding somewhere else to put your attention (other than strictly scumhunting-related attention) then cool. I'll ignore you for now one because that's idiotic.

[MattP]

Ok, sorry PM, I just felt like you were attacking me. I've been very stressed lately.

[MattP]

VOTE: Zabriel

Whatever just end the day

[MattP]

majiffy is scum but ok

[MattP]

I believe him

I think Majiffy should die tomorrow

I think I should be investigated tonight for several reasons that I won't disclose

Those are my super helpful opinions

[MattP]

I haven't read any of the thread but I was town

I assume IAI claimed a guilty on me

That's exactly what I wanted him to do

Lynch him tomorrow Ty

[MattP]

Also Ftr fuck you all for not believing me all of day one and two

Remember come end game how fucking vehement I was for a d1 IAI lynch

[MattP]

I now feel slightly better about this game

[MattP]

And his guilty claim on me sucked and you all fucking suck for not doubting it for a second

It was the obvious damn move

I told him to investigate me because it was the obv damn move

That was the "reason I didn't want to disclose"

But thanks for just speeding through that lynch it saved me a lot of effort and stress

[MattP]

I'm in class all day

Yes IAI would give himself up at this point his days are severely numbered

[MattP]

And no I don't lie about my alignment after flipping im in class can't post

[MattP]

LYNCH UN AFTER IAI HE'S TRYING TO SOUND STROGHEADED HE'S BEEN SCUMMY ALL GAME DON'T LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT

[MattP]

Fuck you UN I'm in class like I just fucking said wear you big boy pants and try to act cool and sure even after I've flipped

[MattP]

What the fuck do I have to gain by lying right now

You're so full of yourself you literally can't be town

[MattP]

Look at PV too

[MattP]

Music theory I'm on my phone

And for the record my gunsmith claim outed this scum

So wow look at that

[MattP]

Yeah you're town

But you're terrible and I hate you so much for not trusting me

[MattP]

I'm dead

What the fuck does me continuing to post do to help scum

I know how to play damn mafia and I don't pretend to be scum but not WIFOM as scum after being lynched

I'm not WIFOMing at all so what the fuck is my scum intent tell me UN

[MattP]

I haven't read the damn flip so I couldn't tell you

You're literally fucking town over you're going to be mislynched so I recommend you stop trying to be an obstinate prick and shut up

[MattP]

Because IAI wanted to prolOng his life and get as many mislynches as possible? Wow you do not understand strategy at all

PM if you would sheep me on one thing right now it's a UN townread but ignore him forever

[MattP]

UN with the quality of this game I wouldn't readily believe that

[MattP]

UN with the quality of this game I wouldn't readily believe that

why do you think i called you such an asshole:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4726297

because you're so nice until it really comes down to it

and then you're as much of an asshole as i am

and it makes me sad to know that i've probably had a hand in corrupting you

but that was what i was saving for part 2

LOL

Your playstyle has in NO WAY influenced me

Under fucking oath of God

That is the most arrogant shit I've ever heard from you

[MattP]

But thanks for posting that instead of privately contacting me about feelings you had, it really made me feel good

[MattP]

Kuribo was the player I emulated coming into MS

Not you dearie

[MattP]

I have a computer now

I don't have any reads I haven't stated, IAI was my big card from the beginning and I stopped paying attention after day 1. You want substance? Analyze IAI's D1 behavior prior to me calling him out, see how he responded to different wagons. It'll be damn telling.

[MattP]

Majiffy
ActionDan
Aj the Epic
borkjerfkin
TheReverend
penguin_alien

All the remaining three scum after IAI are obviously here

I'd guess Majiffy is most likely and should go after IAI

[MattP]

Majify --> Bork--> penguin --> Aj --> Rev --> AD

[MattP]

My new rule with you UN is that you get one grace bad read per game, should you ever push a second bad read it's PL

[MattP]

Fuck you Matt

Don't talk to me

Now now don't be testy

You literally are like 10x better as town than scum from a town perspective.

[MattP]

Vifam you played magnificently imo

Something you did day 1 was a really blatant rolefish and Reck and I said to each other, "there is no damn way a scum would be ballsy enough to make a post like that" and ever since then I was in Vifamland

pedit: And here I was giving you a compliment Vifam

[MattP]

I actually thought Bork and you, Vifam, played very well. I think IAI was obvious the whole time, obviously, and UN was never as strong of a scumread as Majiffy so yes he managed to stay in the middle of the pack. I still think his strategy is a one-trick pony, which is to spam the thread and act brazen about a poor read, which is identical to his town meta except replace "poor" with "good"

[MattP]

The AD lynch literally was nonsensical. Even if you believed the cop claim was plausible, in a situation where it's one lynch until mylo you lynch the cop in that specific situation give the statistical improbability of a "framer" and then a correct cop read

[MattP]

I know I played a terrible game, that doesn't defeat the point that UN played an obvious scum game because it so drastically differs from his townplay in retrospect?

[MattP]

operative words:

"in retrospect"

And you will explicitly see in the Dead QT I said:

"fool me one, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"

I think it works fine once. I don't think I'd be tricked again if you pushed so hard on bizarre reads. As the game progressed the wagons you pushed didn't seem to have much thought behind them but simultaneously you were so positive about them, which you of course do as town but the reads I'd consider "good" ones.

I don't think I would fall for that again, should you play that card again. We'll see

[MattP]

Like I said, my goal was to go with the cop, and I think I did a good job of making it believable. Heck even AP didn't vote me D5, and say what you will about most of the town at that pt, he is a solid town player.

You were damn lucky you just so happened to prepare for a cop claim, which would counterract a gunsmith

[MattP]

I think the biggest issue for town was the demoralization

Which I was the causer of

I should have just replaced

[MattP]

Oh, Mhork, when you're an IC and you're kept alive over non-confirmed players that means scum is keeping you alive because your reads are wrong

[MattP]

or just stop fakeclaiming as a habit

Sometimes it works dandy

But sure everyone can now yell at me for that

If IAI didn't crumb cop it wouldve worked

[MattP]

Also fakeclaiming is equally likely in my town and scum meta. And by this point it's so common for me it has no meaning. If people want to use that against me, I disagree, I won't be changing that aspect of my game, and people can hate me for it

[MattP]

I think Matt P should be scum MVP.

I sucked this game for a slew of reasons. I'm fully aware.

pedit: I'd be happy to show you games where fakeclaiming worked out 180, UN

[MattP]

My biggest mistake was not reading the game, I feel very adamantly about this

[MattP]

there are two sides to every coin

i have fakeclaimed epic fakeclaims before which paid off in spades

i have also crashed and burned

and there were more of the second, so i stopped

This is the first time it's bit me in the ass, EVER

[MattP]

well, okay

good for you then?

You're making a point that I shouldn't do something.

I'm saying I disagree because it works for me.

I think the logical progression is obvious.

You're correct response should have "We agree to disagree" but thanks for playing

[MattP]

Vifam and Petapan have the same playstyle. It works most of the time.

[MattP]

I could make literally any case and it would be met with:

"Vifam's town. He just feels town"

It's because they don't seem to give a shit

It works

[MattP]

I think people pay more attention to reputation than actual facts. I mean look at all the wagons that Matt lead and everyone sheeped him like crazy.

I lead TWO wagons all game. They were on Day 1, Mhork and IAI. After that I stopped paying attention to the game and blatantly sheeped and AtE'd to hell. I literally have no idea WTF you're talking about

[MattP]

You lead far more than two wagons dude.

Ok, and Om

That's it as far as I can see? I fake daycopped Om in the first 10 pages of the game, I then lead Mhork, and then IAI.

No, D2 I stopped paying attention. School and RL issues made it impossible to invest. If definitely did not lead any wagons after that

[MattP]

So you didn't start that crappy Hero wagon? ok then.

I didn't remember that, but then sure

Om, Hero, IAI and Mhork

None of them were lynched when I wanted them to be anyway? I certainly sucked this game but I wasn't the purveyor of failure. I admittedly pushed three players hard, one of them (Mhork) I dropped for IAI, and Hero. So I ultimately pushed IAI and Hero to the limits, but it wasn't like I constructed a list of all of the town players in the game and said, kill these people. My top three lynch preference for when I died was IAI --> Jiffy --> Bork, my only inexplicably terrible read on scum was on Vifam, you're treating it like my behavior was the catalyst for a scum win. Yes, my demoralization was, but the wagons I pushed weren't the cause by any means.

[MattP]

Ur awesome Maestro

[MattP]

it was genuine i think

[MattP]

Well that shouldn't have been said, but wutever, what's done is done