NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[Bacde]

Hey guys, so my role PM says that I am

Mafia

, and I intend on winning this game, so if you could point me to the nearest ML wagon I'd love to hop on and get this game finished

[Bacde]

whew I was afraid people might read into my claim

luckily, mafia ALWAYS lie and thus by saying I am mafia, if I were mafia I'd be lying thus I'd be town

logically, I am now confirmed town

So, keep talking guys but I'm gonna choose the lynch for today

[Bacde]

I think instead of:

"Can town/mafia claim PGO"

a better train of thought would be:

"How often is someone claiming PGO D1 actually a PGO?"

because if its not likely, then we should probably lynch the PGO and hope hes a vengeful/scum

[Bacde]

This is what is going to happen this game:

1) I will lead a bw on scum d1
2) Either scum will be lynched or someone else will push through a mislynch d1
3) I will be NKed for being confirmed town in just 2 pages

Scum is scurred but they should be

[Bacde]

who's your buddy kingdomaces?

[Bacde]

Personally if I was PGO I wouldn't claim and I would just try to play so well that the scum HAVE to target me

[Bacde]

^^WTF YOU ARE SAYING WE ARE fRIENDS ALL OF A SUDDEN OBV BUDDYING

VOTE: SMASHBARD

lol

unvote

jk man hows it going

[Bacde]

ok

[Bacde]

Found the scum

Vote: ZONEACE

look at his last post, look at it!

who's your buddy kingdomaces?

This is not helpful, nor is it remotely like scum hunting.

We'd love you to stay, but you'd be in the way, so do up your trousers and go.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bacde

He is blatantly addressing me as town and simultaneously voting me!!!

look at it!!

[Bacde]

Bacde-town
Bacde-scum

This looks more like Bacde town tbh

<3 u HD

[Bacde]

so... you are voting me because you think I am unhelpful and not because you think I am scum?

Sounds like a case scum would make to me. You have no accountability in your reasoning for voting me

Also: did you know that town are more likely to OMGUS than scum? I'll let you say that I'm more suspicious for saying this comment before I explain to you why

[Bacde]

actually my actions aren't standing in the way of a town win at all

for instance, I am scumhunting and I found you

but you can keep acting like I'm unhelpful if that's what you are in to

[Bacde]

Flavor text in italics that sounds poetic and probably has something to do with my post but I'm not sure how

[Bacde]

hey man, don't say that

I am

NOT

a philistine

look, here's a haiku

[Bacde]

ISO ZONEACE if you want to see how a helpful townie should act

oh wait ZONEACE hasn't done more than I have nvm

[Bacde]

lynch all socially irrelevant forms of transportation?

horrible joke

Is MrZepher usually funny? Because people who are usually funny become way less funny when they are scum (probably due to nerves)

[Bacde]

Smash is town

[Bacde]

^^What's your read on me?

Also I want to take this time to point out that your opinions on wind-up are the EXACT opposite of mine.

I thought wind-up's post about Go vs HD looked VERY townie, especially when Wind-up pointed out the awkwardness of Go/Zepher interactions

The only thing that is potentially scummy about wind-up is the PGO claim

TheTrollie... are you scum?

[Bacde]

I don't think I ever placed my vote down due to you being "weird" but nice try

[Bacde]

^^let me know when you've read the thread

also, welcome

[Bacde]

greygnarl is probably scum

[Bacde]

so don't worry about his posts too much is what I'm saying

[Bacde]

in fact,

Vote: greygnarl

[Bacde]

uh oh smashbard, roflcopter is on to us

we tried to hide our buddying, but he sees it

[Bacde]

bacde just decided to for someone who was putting zero effort into the game thus far and was an easy target. That someone also happens to know that bacde's scum.

actually this reaction test makes me wonder if greygnarl is town

[Bacde]

If that statement is an indicator that Greygnarl is town than it means that you're probably scum. Right? Because he says that a certain someone that you were going after knows that you're scum. I'm assuming he's talking about Zoneace. So the only way he could know what Zoneace knows is if both of them are scum and have been communicating.

And the only way he can claim that Zoneace knows your alignment means that he has to in some way, know your alignment or Zoneaces alignment or both. Under that kind of analysis, Grey is scum 100%. And the possibility of both of you being scum goes up substantially. Because Zoneace doesn't even have to be a part of this equation for me to believe that Greygnarl is bussing you.

Where am I going wrong here?

no

I'm pretty sure greygnarl was referring to himself as "knowing" that I am scum--he even backed himself up with a vote

this is a reaction test. Greygnarl doesn't know that I'm scum--how do I know this? Because I'm town lol

I'm willing to bet a million dollars that greygnarl will come out and admit that he is reaction testing me. This seems like a town move to me--town has more reason to be using a reaction test to find scum than scum does. Also, scum would never be willing to trade 1 for 1 for a town member.

if greygnarl insists on claiming to have information that I am scum then I am willing to be lynched--but only if he is lynched tomorrow. If he insists on having information that I am scum then he is actually lying and likely scum.

But he won't, since this is a reaction test.

Unvote

Vote: Zepher

[Bacde]

If that statement is an indicator that Greygnarl is town than it means that you're probably scum. Right? Because he says that a certain someone that you were going after knows that you're scum. I'm assuming he's talking about Zoneace. So the only way he could know what Zoneace knows is if both of them are scum and have been communicating.

And the only way he can claim that Zoneace knows your alignment means that he has to in some way, know your alignment or Zoneaces alignment or both. Under that kind of analysis, Grey is scum 100%. And the possibility of both of you being scum goes up substantially. Because Zoneace doesn't even have to be a part of this equation for me to believe that Greygnarl is bussing you.

Where am I going wrong here?

it was this kind of reasoning that made you vote me in 1393

if I was scum... why would I accidentally admit it in a bout of logic?

[Bacde]

Bacde do you think grey was softing or something? You realize this is a daystart right dog?

no

I've already said I think it was a reaction test

[Bacde]

Not gonna lie, I think Go is bussing Zepher here. but I think Zepher is likely scum

[Bacde]

Your awkward interactions that wind-up pointed out

but I'm more sure about you being maf than Go

[Bacde]

eh, if greygnarl continues to insist that he "knows" that I am scum then my vote will be right back on him

but I'm pretty sure he was reaction testing me.

Also, it takes 10 votes to lynch, so if I was going to back off due to fear it would happen later

[Bacde]

I didn't quite understand your post #205 Bacde. I asked you to explain but you didn't. I'm going to assume that you missed it since it doesn't seem relevant to hold it against you.

I should clarify that I don't know if you have a town or scum read on Grey and if the statement in question makes him look less like town or more like town.
Basically "Makes you wonder if he's town" in which direction?

I answered this in #210

I was wondering if he was town instead of my assumption which was scum

[Bacde]

^^Nvm, this is where you scumread me NS.

Lol I just realized something and I'll need to think to figure it out

[Bacde]

Hey Nobody, I knwo that why me = fry me and stuff

but why is it that you think I'm scum?

This will help me have a better read on you in this game and potentially elsewhere

Thanks!

[Bacde]

I'm still waiting on grey to come in and confirm my suspicions that he was reaction testing

[Bacde]

If I do get lynched, look very very hard at ActionDan. He is most assuredly scum.

Wasn't I your #1 scumpick?

Why is actiondan more scum than I now?

That is to say, what has ActionDan done that is scummy?

(this isn't a defense I'm considering voting ActionDan just fyi)

[Bacde]

you didn't convince me fyi

[Bacde]

so grey didn't respond to what I was saying but I'ma go ahead and say that I was right and that he was town going for the rxn test

[Bacde]

^^He could have claimed that's what he did as of #210

I even explained why I didn't think grey was scum in that post, to which you asked clarification, to which I obliged. Yet you didn't think it was scummy until just now for some reason?

I think my vote is in the right place

---------------------------
Pedit this post was @MrZepher

I think MrZepher is the best lynch for today tbh

[Bacde]

yeah actually I'm OK with lynching dramonic but I'd rather get zepher

[Bacde]

Vote: Dramonic

[Bacde]

FOS: Dr Producer

[Bacde]

Dude I love it when people defend for me

Thanks HD

Can I ask you to explain the reasoning behind your townread of me? I just want to make sure you are town too

[Bacde]

BTW I'm not certain of how I read greygnarl anymore now that he admits to "shitposting" instead of legitimate reaction testing

[Bacde]

Yeah I saw that post, can I get some reasonings other than just "looks" ?

Like, why does this look more like Bacde town than Bacde scum is what I'm asking

[Bacde]

I don't need to be convinced that I am town.

I want to be convinced that HD is town and not AtEing me (I'm a sucker for AtE)

[Bacde]

^^ehh I'll take it

[Bacde]

yeah I'm down for either zepher or dramonic at this point

pretty much both of the big wagons that aren't the bacde-wagon look good to me right now

[Bacde]

keep wondering zepher

[Bacde]

lol why were you hoping that you'd get vigged in the first place?

[Bacde]

keep wondering zepher

I'm starting to hope you get vig'd instead of me.

not misrepping

so is the dramonic or the zepher lynch the one for today? I'll vote either

[Bacde]

hey is dramonic lynched yet

[Bacde]

mostly the lying thing

[Bacde]

Unvote

Vote: ZONEACE

I suddenly remembered this vote

[Bacde]

@dramonic yeah I'm pretty content at this point I've pretty much provided all the content I see fit to provide on everything that has happened

Basically ZONEACE, dramonic, and zepher all look like good viable lynches to me right now

Wind-up is town not considering the PGO claim (which throws me off but his analysis looks good)

smashbard is town

the way Go has been acting and complaining has been pretty townie, despite some of his cases being bad

HD is town, especially for pointing out that last horribad post by greygnarl

greygnarl is probably town... I can't see his play as being a viable scum strategy because he will get lynched if he continues to play like this

there's really not more for me to say at this point

except maybe petapan, who has been sort of hiding by tunneling ZONEACE. If I didn't think ZONEACE was a good wagon I'd be more scrupulous of petapan as he is actively reducing the number of players he is interacting with, which can be a viable scum strategy

[Bacde]

^^I think ActionDan has provided good posts and content

Jacobsavage is being 'that guy' right now and def isn't helping out, but I'm unconvinced that its with a scum motive

I'm gonna have to think again about thetrollie

[Bacde]

Either way, I'm intrigued by greygnarl and don't want to lynch him yet

I'll keep that quote in mind though.

I'm having a hard time thinking town would play like he is, but I'm having a harder time thinking that scum would play like he is

[Bacde]

^^I'm not seeing rofl as town but I'm not seeing him as scum (so I guess thats a null read)

but today has been slow enough for me to bus my partner and get some discussion going

Vote: Greygnarl

who thinks that this is an interesting move?

Pedit: ZONEACE seems to be suffering from amnesia. I voted him because his "case" on me involved him thinking that I wasn't going to scumhunt or work for the town, and him admitting that he did not have a scum or town read on me but wanted to lynch me either way. Its a case that scum would make because there is no accountability for being wrong.

Actually the way he talks about me and smash "marking" him early makes me want to vote him again, because he makes it seem like we randomly arrived at voting him for being weird when it was in fact for his bad line of reasoning.

Vote: ZONEACE

willing to hop on to either ZONEACE or Greygnarl or Zepher wagons right now

reconsidering dramonic I guess maybe I was ignoring his more recent posts?

[Bacde]

Greygnarl has been defending Zoneace from the very beginning for literally no reason whatsoever (Unless they are scum of course). So if Greygnarl gets lynched and flips scum Zoneace can be lynched tomorrow freely for his confirmed scumminess. Just sayin'.

hell if greygnarl and zonace both flip scum then we can even lynch me the third day just for the fun of it

Vote: greygnarl

just because this wagon is gaining momentum and I want the revving to intensify

[Bacde]

@Bacde:

-Why does a such a supposedly bad case have a scum motivation? Do town not make bad cases as well?
-Why would ZONEACE consciously misrep your case as scum if people can just go back and look at it themselves?

Like seriously all I see is OMGUS from his "bad" case on you so it isn't really a good vote tbh

P-Edit: Smashbard, give me your full take on why ZONEACE is scum, thanks.

a lot of it is gut

a bad case has scum motivation when there is no

accountability

for the alignment of the player. Zoneace's argument was essentially "it doesn't matter if X is town or scum, we need to lynch X" which means if X flips town Zoneace could easily respond with "ah well it didn't matter his alignment anyway good lynch guys"

and scum consciously misrep the whole game... that's the point of being scum. So I figure misrepping one argument is just a small part of that

yeah I'm OMGUSing but thats bc I know my alignment (hint: town) which gives me more info about how bad ZONEACE's case is

[Bacde]

except maybe petapan, who has been sort of hiding by tunneling ZONEACE. If I didn't think ZONEACE was a good wagon I'd be more scrupulous of petapan as he is actively reducing the number of players he is interacting with, which can be a viable scum strategy

Is there anyone else tunneling anyone?

probably, do you notice anyone?

I'm just calling things out as I see it so I'm probably missing a lot

[Bacde]

I don't think a greygnarl flip of either alignment would confirm ZONEACE as either alignment

they are just points to consider if we get there

hell, as scum I often just defend a few townies which greygnarl could certainly be doing w/ ZONEACE

[Bacde]

I'm gonna oppose the Zephyr lynch on the grounds that if he flips scum then people will lynch me.

I don't understand this post at all.

I didn't see a Zepher-Greygnarl connection before this post so I don't see why he was motivated to post this.

[Bacde]

eh I don't know how to adequately answer that.

Its like you are asking me "how are apples and oranges different?"

I mean technically they are both fruits, but the differences are plain and obvious

[Bacde]

Its weird to me that you don't perceive a difference in your vote for greygnarl and ZONEACE's early vote for me today

[Bacde]

@Kingdom aces I'm not making the game worse at all

I personally see Greygnarl as scummy since I've realized I don't understand his play at all.

@Kingdomaces should I assume you have a townread on NS?

[Bacde]

^^Who is this guy?

[Bacde]

I was more joking that I haven't really seen you in the thread at all. What's been keeping you from posting more or trying to win this game with more effort?

[Bacde]

I think Konowa is town.

Can we get greygnarl? I've changed my mind about him

[Bacde]

RAWR due to EGO

[Bacde]

^^it is weird that neither of them have really mentioned each other when both of them have been discussed as potential lynch targets

(talking about dramonic and greygnarl)

[Bacde]

^^Calling you out for having a bad opinion

I'd even offer to be lynched above a NL

[Bacde]

Whether it was a bad move or not, lynching is crucial to us being able to gather information. Through vote count and wagon analysis of the previous day. I would rather mislynch than no-lynch. Because then we are left with the exact same amount of information that we had Day 1, because night kill speculation is too easily dismissed as WIFOM and thus is not as useful as being able to solidify reads based on who was and wasn't on Greygnarl throughout the previous day.

All I know for sure is that his flip will solidify my read on Zoneace. Because whatever alignment Greygnarl is, I'm positive Zoneace shares it. That was really Greygnarls only useful contribution was his hardline anti-wind up and pro-zoneace stances.

This post, like most of yours (and bacde's) is fucking terrible.

how awesome would it be if greygnarl flipped scum

[Bacde]

ActionDan, the more you post typical NS posts implying they're scummy without explanation, the further I shift you down the scum end of the alignment scale.

VOTE: dramonic

so I suppose I must explain that the shift in NS's 'townish-read' of Zepher without any explanation in between combined with the vote on the bandwagon today constitutes a scummy mindset?

Consider it explained

meh, those two posts are separated by about 400 posts! how do you know that this isn't an example of town changing their mind?

@NS what caused you to change your mind about Zepher?

[Bacde]

Bacde, I don't negotiate with terrorists, nor do I explain myself to scum.

Get lynched.

dude, I was defending you from a weak argument used against you

pay attention.

your response doesn't seem town or scum, I'm serious. Why did your read change on zepher?

[Bacde]

where did ZONEACE go?

I want more people to howl about my lynch

also, we should probably lynch zepher today

[Bacde]

Personally I'm happy thetrollie was killed since I was suspicious of him

I dunno if he was killed to silence his dissent about dramonic-wagon though... scum does weird things sometimes

[Bacde]

meh I actually think roflcopter is town

Vote: Zepher

hopefully I'll get a +1 for the sheep

[Bacde]

^^

[Bacde]

this is weird for me bc i see both smash and roflcopter as town

[Bacde]

is it possible for town to have a scumread on someone else who is also town?

if so, your argument about AD and NS is inherently flawed

there I hope this helps!

[Bacde]

^^Nah, I caught that too. He totally scumclaimed, but it seemed so

deliberate

that I can't in good faith call it a slip and vote for him.

[Bacde]

^^Maybe ZONEACE is town


...maybe

[Bacde]

MAYBE???

did I stutter?

[Bacde]

I'm wondering about my townread on smash...

I read your play in your first newbie game dude, I know that you play the whole "earnest town with bad reasons for voting" bit really well

[Bacde]

@Smashbard are you forgetting about 1393?

Remember how slaandar and denisatp

HARD

-bussed Thor on d1? And got him lynched?

Yeah, pushing someone and having them flip maf doesn't make you confirmed town

[Bacde]

^^yeah exactly that

damn you are good at this game I give up

[Bacde]

@Smash ^^So you think NS slipped that his team's kill didn't go through?

PEdit - What up wat up Oversoul

[Bacde]

@Smashbard what is your response to this post:

@Smashbard are you forgetting about 1393?

Remember how slaandar and denisatp

HARD

-bussed Thor on d1? And got him lynched?

Yeah, pushing someone and having them flip maf doesn't make you confirmed town

?

[Bacde]

The "slip" was last page fyi (pp 29)

[Bacde]

You said this:

If NS = Scum, then AD = town (because AD is pushing on NS)

I came back to you with this:

We experienced a game where Thor = Scum and DenisATP and Slaandar were pushing on Thor, therefore DenisATP and Slaandar = town right? By your logic?

But from experience we know that DenisATP and slaandar were scum.

Do you see what I'm getting at here?

[Bacde]

No I don't, and I'll admit that it was

VERY

unconventional for scum to double-hard-bus their only power role (godfather), which is why it was such a good play.

I just wanted to see if you could understand my thought process that NS flipping scum would NOT confirm AD as town

[Bacde]

^^I can agree w/ those townreads for now as it cuts down the possible pool of people to lynch

[Bacde]

im cool w/ lynching jacobsavage at this point

[Bacde]

I might one day lynch smash

but today is not that day

tomorrow doesn't look like it either

[Bacde]

but i'm still so torn, because honestly if smashbard is town right now that should be like a layup mislynch for scum

smash is too confident in his dumb reasons for voting to be scum imo, he isn't looking for the approval of the town

I think there's been enough of a general consensus that smash is town to deter scum from trying to lead on him

ofc this might all change in a few days but I'm not feeling a smash wagon today

[Bacde]

Why aren't more people voting for/discussingZepher?

I seriously had to ISO myself to remember who I was voting for BUT MY FOCUS IS BACK

[Bacde]

Also petapan has dropped off my townreads list completely. He's null-at-best.

Did someone replace peta? I remember one guy coming in for one post, was that the new peta?

[Bacde]

lol right when I was like "this lynch remember it guys lets get back on" smash is like "bacde usually pushes lynches"

its like we are connected at the mind or something

[Bacde]

BTW I'm not certain of how I read greygnarl anymore now that he admits to "shitposting" instead of legitimate reaction testing

Aw. You seemed so sure of yourself.

That came off as really condescending. I'm sorry.

I'm not really sure how this post could have been perceived as condescending unless MrZepher knows who town and scum are, feels like an emotional slip to me

also he is apologizing for town approval

[Bacde]

Strong > Weak

And only the townreads? Not the scum reads?

Didn't I see this movie, with McMurphy and the nurse?
That hospital was heavy, but this cuckoo's nest is worse.
Isn't this the one where in the end the good guys fry?
Didn't I see this movie, and didn't I cry?
Didn't I cry?

I'm fairly neutral on the scum reads, Obviously your read on me is a massive failure, and I expressed yesterday how terrible an idea I thought a dram lynch was.

But, Smash and Bac being 2 and 3 on your town list is unacceptable.

The fact that you are STILL tunneling me because you're too damn butt hurt that for one second I thought you were scum tells me you're the one with massive failures for reads.

I can't vouche for Bacde anymore. His Day 1 play was very much Town Bacde from what I've read on his meta. But he usually pursues lynches a lot harder than he is now. Almost everything Bacde has said today is just skating through the day. "This guy here looks scummy, but I won't vote him". and "I'd lynch these guys, but I'm not voting them now." Both seem like positions cautious scum would take, and not the bold careless Bacde I knew from our previous game together.

To claim I am tunneling you, smash, is highly disingenuous and a total misrep (now, at least the second time you've misrepped me). I have yet to vote for you in this game. In fact, IF I could be accused of tunneling anyone it would be Bac and I don't feel I'm "tunneling" him. I just feel very strongly that he is scum and have chosen not to (unless absolutely necessary or in the case of a major slip by someone) put my vote anywhere else but on him.

if you are town then we are more similar than you'd ever want to admit

man I get those tunnel-goggles

all the time

just try to get beyond the "wanting to lynch me bc you thought I'd be unhelpful/now want to lynch me because I OMGUSed" phase you were in and read my posts for what they are. You might be surprised at how much I'm actually trying to help the town

[Bacde]

If you have a case, fucking present it in it's entirety and try to convince us that Bacde is scum. If all you're going to do is bitch and cry all day about how Scummy Bacde is without even trying then please, for my sake, just continue to post nothing but flavorful spam that ties into the musical we're watching during the day phase. Because that's all you're good for at this point.

QFT

I'd love to be able to defend from whatever it is you think makes me scum, rather than just have to ignore you and consider you a non-entity

[Bacde]

^Sassiness won't get people to vote me, or get you to realize that I'm town, I'm afraid

Is your case really so bad that you can't just repost a few points?

[Bacde]

tell you what, lynch Zepher-scum with me and then tunnel me tomorrow.

deal?

[Bacde]

I'm not distracting from anything. As you said yourself I haven't convinced anyone. So why are you so concerned? If I'm scum trying ot push a mislynch I'm clearly doing a SHIT job of it, especially considering there are other more attractive and easier targets for such a thing.

bc if you are town then you are my teammate and your reads are invaluable to me, yet you are choosing to make yourself useless right now

also if you are scum then you are doing a perfect job of hiding, rather than pretending to scumhunt

Both of these reasons in conjunction means that I am motivated to get you off your high-horse and actually get your hands dirty and find scum, rather than just be pissed off at me for reasons I don't know what they are

Bacde was doing worthless twat things day one that were not helpful to the town, i voted him because on day one I'm just as open to lynching worthless twat town that might otherwise survive to a time where there still being alive is dangerous for the town (lylo/mylo). The reason I'm okay doing this day one is because we are already more than likely to lynch town day one so why not make it a shit townie. However, following my initial vote, bacde and you began to interact in ways that, as I said, gave me "bad juju" which moved my opinion of bacde from one of "worthless twat town" into possible scum territory. The interactions between the two of you have continued unabated now into the second day.

can you please tone it down a bit... mafia is just a game and I don't appreciate being called a "twat" while I'm playing a friendly game of mafia

[Bacde]

^^dude I'm serious

take a big breath, count to 10 or something and come back and tell us your reads

also do you seriously think I'm the only scum in the game right now? bc there are probably other scums on my team and you can exert a LITTLE bit of effort finding them and getting them lynched too

I know I'm town, so you refusing to explain your vote on me and letting people just ignore your case on me

IS

scummy imo. As a town player, you should be trying hard to get me lynched, rather than letting players ignore you and say that "I'm doing a shit job of convincing people about my case"

You seriously haven't even for 1 second considered not lynching me, and that is worrisome to me. Town questions their reads

A LOT

and wants to make sure that they are correct (hint: your read on me is not correct)

[Bacde]

^^Whats wrong w/ the ZONEACE vote?

He said he was suspicious of zoneace earlier so it doesn't look opportunistic to me

[Bacde]

I think its likely that JS is derptown and Zepher is targetting the easy ML

[Bacde]

^^What if we all vote on a player we think is town, and whatever player receives the most town-approval we all sheep without remorse

Pedit: Thanks JacobSavage, right on cue

[Bacde]

Can we just lynch Zepher already?

[Bacde]

^^To be fair, I

don't

have a townread on JS

but what do you think is more likely? Zepher-scum pushing an easy ML or Zepher-town having nabbed JS as scum?

I guess that is unfair, this could also be Zepher-town just pushing a bad wagon

[Bacde]

@ActionDan considering that NS is voting for Zepher, do you think Zepher is a good lynch?

[Bacde]

^^So are you calling him mafia or are you just calling him pouty?

[Bacde]

dude if I could play like this as scum and get away with it I'd be doing it every damn game

[Bacde]

C'mon town lets push one of these wagons through woo hoo

[Bacde]

*pops champagne*

...now to pretend like I'm town for another day

[Bacde]

I'm beginning to like ZONEACE

[Bacde]

I trust Smash for now TBH

[Bacde]

I trust Smash for now TBH

to properly demonstrate my feelings on Smash; I trust you more than I trust Smash.

ouch, thats a smash-burn

[Bacde]

I trust Smash for now TBH

Well, you also have a bottle of ketchup for your avatar, so.

Vote: Nobody Special

[Bacde]

Oh right this game exists

Why am I being voted?

I'm going to take a hard look at this game tonight, but right now I have other games and homework.

probably because you defended Zepher, any thoughts about that?

[Bacde]

Also I would not be surprised if Oversoul is scum, Oversoul replaced Go, right? Go "nabbing" MrZepher as scum on page 1 or two looked suspicious as hell

[Bacde]

Oh right this game exists

Why am I being voted?

I'm going to take a hard look at this game tonight, but right now I have other games and homework.

probably because you defended Zepher, any thoughts about that?

I didn't; I attacked Go on his terrible attack on Zepher. I suppose you

could

call it a defense, but that's not the way I intended it.

I found Zepher scummy later on, so my focus ended up switching to him anyway.

this is known as a chainsaw defense right?

I'm thinking at least one of HD/Oversoul is scum

[Bacde]

I dunno why I'm really voting NS lol

probably because he seems to prefer mustard to the obviously superior ketchup

[Bacde]

the scum are afraid of me. zephyr said so.

now vote for human destroyer

looking at you here bacde

imo the scum are more afraid of smashbard

just bc you are town doesn't mean you are right

HD might have been pulling a chainsaw defense, but considering Zepher's play I don't think that would have been a smart move.

I think its much more likely that Go was bussing Zepher, I even said it while it was happening I think

[Bacde]

Postcount means absolutely nothing, since I feel that even though I definitely have a rampant inactivity problem this game, I try to put as much content into every post I actually make, while other people can make dozens of posts where they actually say absolutely nothing. I'm not saying I'm not part of the problem, but postcount is never a way to judge this.

Anyway, on to the actual game. Yes, I did consider the scum just targeting Konowa. He was just as inactive as I was, and what he did post didn't seem like it could be dangerous or hard to get lynched if the need arose. The scum being afraid of Smashbard seemed much more likely.

And Bacde, do you actually find NS to be scummy right now, or do you really not know why you're voting him?

I actually find NS scummy but I think probably oversoul is a better lynch for today

We are still in the discussion phase of today so I'm not too worried about where specifically my vote is atm

[Bacde]

that's a bandwagon I'm down to see what happens with

Vote: Peregrine

[Bacde]

Dram could be town, I'm not really interested in Konowa's reads, and yes I'm voting you despite having called HD/Oversoul probably scum

[Bacde]

i do believe that though

[Bacde]

I'm not sure, Oversoul's last post threw me off

I don't even want to talk about what I think he was doing with that post

[Bacde]

1) I was mostly thinking the breadcrumbing thing

2) I dunno this will require a re-read

PS-I'm down for the AD vs. NS argument tbh. I'd probably plop my vote down on NS

[Bacde]

Vote: NS

[Bacde]

wait isn't wind-up a pgo claim?

Why would scum shoot a pgo claim that isn't scum? Also, scum can't shoot a pgo claim that is scum

i just realized how bad that argument was

[Bacde]

^^I'm willing to just sheep smash here

Vote: Dramonic

[Bacde]

I dont think I sheeped when I called smash town

or when i called greygnarl town

or when i retracted that townread and voted for greygnarl

or when i called zepher scum

and when I pointed out zepher's emotional slip when he said "sorry for seeming condescending"

what specifically are you talking about with me sheeping?

[Bacde]

how are they empty?

I literally just showed you how I'm not sheeping at all

[Bacde]

at least not all game like you puported

[Bacde]

^^I mean that's a good point

[Bacde]

go ahead man I'm still just as town as before despite me being a little distant

I'm not afraid of you so don't threaten me in an attempt to make me pro-towner

[Bacde]

mostly bc you told me to move it in an unagreeable manner and I'm being rebellious

I would have probably moved it on my own with a little time but I don't like being confronted about every move that I make

[Bacde]

yeah I mean I get that

but I don't like the threats. If you want to confront me, just confront me and ask me questions about my reasoning. You don't have to threaten me to try and manipulate what I choose to do with my vote

peta didn't even vote for HD, but you seem to just thats just fine and dandy

would YOU vote for HD? Your opinion about HD is vague as of right now

in fact, I've forgotten who you are even voting for. It was someone I remember not agreeing w/

pedit--nvm I see you are voting for HD your pressure makes total sense

Vote: HD

[Bacde]

Maybe cuz he thought zepher getting lynched was more likely?

I dunno, don't let WIFOM trick you out like that

[Bacde]

He did?

is this your entire post? why didn't you just reread kon and see what his reads were?

this feels like acting to me

[Bacde]

OS is town, Smash is town

80% of this game is lurkers

lets lynch one

Vote: PeregrineV

[Bacde]

I miss the NS vs AD 1 on 1 tbh

[Bacde]

peta is right I haven't been devoting enough energy to this game recently

at the beginning I was having fun and trolling

I'ma try to think of something to bring back the magic

[Bacde]

New avatar = new energy for this game

Vote: NS

I think this lynch is the way to go

[Bacde]

New avatar = new energy for this game

Vote: NS

I think this lynch is the way to go

Good idea. I think it may have been hard to take a worm in an apple seriously.

the sunglasses guy was suspicious too

I'm a fan of the orang

[Bacde]

*Jacob

[Bacde]

this is that part of the game where more people start voting for nobody special

[Bacde]

didn't read it, but I assume if you "caught" him as scum in that game you did so for objective reasons. Both you and wind-up now have excused him on purely subjective grounds.

explain please, since HD has a point

I was sure NS was scum in breaking bad mafia too

[Bacde]

are you saying mafia is not a subjective game?

[Bacde]

so you are a mason 100%?

[Bacde]

what is this, a softclaim for ants?

it needs to be at least 3x this obvious

[Bacde]

I think OS is a perfect target for investigation just saying

Go "catching" mrzepher looked like a total bus

[Bacde]

zzZZzzZZzzZZzz

[Bacde]

ok lets do this guys this game has lost a LOT of energy

who is willing to lynch HD, AD, and/or NS?

I'm willing to lynch any of the 3 of them to prevent a NL

[Bacde]

Vote: HD

whatever

[Bacde]

if NS ever flips scum then wind-up is confirmed scum

[Bacde]

Unvote

that's a really bad claim dude

[Bacde]

5/6 of my strong town reads are on NS.

good stuff.

Bacde, Dram. lend a hand?

this includes yourself I guess?

and you must have meant 4/6 since you just clarified that jacobsavage isn't a strong town read for you?

[Bacde]

Claim: Jailkeeper.

And, uh, I apparently did not action Night One because ..... I don't know. (Where's the facepalm smiley when you

really

need it?)

did you just forget?

[Bacde]

what the butt dude

its like now we have to lynch you because this is crazy

but you seem really legit about this

ughhh

[Bacde]

So here's the thing:

NS isn't obvtown at all

I've totally said dumb shit like that as mafia before as a forced towntell

also, by not using his night action

twice in a row

, NS has pretty much confirmed that he is (at best) uninterested in this game and unable to help us find and lynch scum

plus I'm having a hard time believing that HD would really try to go for a chainsaw defense of MrZepher that early into the game. Smart scum are usually more willing to bus their partners

Vote: NS

[Bacde]

I've seen players getting all the way to his flip thinking he was a VT.

He wasn't, it was Day 6.

Intent to hammer HD?

It was NY 160 by the way.

Just checked. Who are you thinking of? I don't see anyone forgetting

Yeah I checked too and didn't find it

I checked both 160 and 160B

[Bacde]

Vig will be on Jacob

this will work

[Bacde]

nervous of being vigged?

[Bacde]

herp derp

[Bacde]

Vote: HD

whatever

[Bacde]

So that vote switch I just did pretty much makes me confirmed town now

[Bacde]

Bacde's Reads List

Succeeding W/O Really Trying (12/18):

• 1) ActionDan - ?
  2) Oversoul
  Go
  - obvious town
  3) wind-up - probably town
  4) KingdomAces - ?
  5) roflcopter - town for today
  6) JacobSavage - town
  7) PeregrineV
  Kdowns
  - ?
  8) ZONEACE - probably town
  9) petapan - town
  10) Smashbard - town
  11) Dramonic - town
  12) Bacde - probably town
  

Based on this reads list w/ absolutely no research done and mostly just gut, we should probably lynch in Pere/King/AD today

[Bacde]

I could see Zone being scum, am not 300% sure though

[Bacde]

hey I'm 2 for 3 I'm not too bad at this

just don't pay attention how my last vote was at the last second

[Bacde]

hey I'm 2 for 3 I'm not too bad at this

just

don't

pay attention how my last vote was at the last second

I think you missed the don't and my joking attitude

also, my hammer before the approaching deadline pretty much confirms me as town;

WHAT?!

[Bacde]

Vote: PeregrineV

[Bacde]

Smash I'll miss you if you alt away

[Bacde]

I'll PM you specifically to let you know it's still me. lol.

So...why Peregrine?

YUSS, AWESOME!!

Answer to Question: i dunno LOL ¯\(°_o)/¯

[Bacde]

Dude smash if you are scum you deserve a scummy for this performance

I'm not kidding

you are like SO genuine right now I can't handle it

[Bacde]

Eh, unfortunately it's too late now for me. I've already fucked up too much. Luckily the rest of the town seems to have no trouble lynching scum despite my railroading due to always thinking the target is town. Except for Zepher, I always thought he was scum. Just thought that Zoneace was more scum than Zepher.

Human Destroyer was well and truly an example of a guy that I had an absolutely solid, irrefutable town read on. Which is the biggest reason why my confidence is shattered. I just don't understand how I could be SO OFF BASE.

But I have too much pride to just replace out in shame. So I'm gonna finish up my time in this game and move on.

Switch tacks, since being wrong ain't a crime if your a mason. Whatever way you were sucmhunting, try a different way.

he did switch, he's sheeping now

[Bacde]

Dunno wat you mean Smash, your play is fine here.

I so so doubt everyone on the HD wagon read HD as scum without first knowing he was indeed scum. He was in the wrong with that HD/GO argument earlier but that would take some balls to call him scum for that.

i dont understand this post

[Bacde]

AD, are you scum?

[Bacde]

^^hilarious

see Smashbard we all love you and know its not your fault

[Bacde]

Vote: HD

Once again the shift away from Dramonic.

Votes for HD for no reason

brings up Dramonic for no reason

@Nobody Special- You have any other instances where you did not action as a town PR? Especially multiple nights?

Grills NS even though he is voting for HD

Is not supportive of NS, despite voting for HD

I think we found us a scumbag

[Bacde]

hey woah peregrine has a super townie defense

Unvote

I didn't even click a single link but I assume it proves me wrong

[Bacde]

Peregrine you are forgetting that I switched my vote over onto the scum wagon at the last second--making me not a good lynch for today

[Bacde]

beginning to think wind-up might be scum

[Bacde]

^didn't understand that post

wanna rephrase your question so I can answer it?

[Bacde]

Unstruck names here need to die:
1) ActionDan
2) Oversoul

3) wind-up

4) KingdomAces

More tentative about unstruck names here:

5) roflcopter

6) JacobSavage

7) PeregrineV

8) ZONEACE

9) petapan

10) Smashbard

11) Dramonic
12) Bacde

dude OS is basically confirmed town now

unless mafia was putting on a production for us at the beginning of the game

which would be hilarious but unlikely

[Bacde]

^^right on cue

[Bacde]

shoot me

[Bacde]

bc I'm on your potential scumlist

and I don't want you to out any PRs

[Bacde]

and also I don't believe you

[Bacde]

and that, my friends, is how you prevent yourself from being shot

[Bacde]

^^

*nods in general agreement*

[Bacde]

Not shooting under any circumstances:

1) ActionDan
2) Oversoul

Go

3) wind-up

4) KingdomAces

5) roflcopter
6) JacobSavage
7) PeregrineV

Kdowns

8) ZONEACE
9) petapan

10) Smashbard

11) Dramonic
12) Bacde

Stronger town reads, should probably reassess at some point but not good for death atm:

1) ActionDan
2) Oversoul

Go

5) roflcopter

6) JacobSavage
7) PeregrineV

Kdowns

8) ZONEACE

9) petapan

11) Dramonic

12) Bacde

Leaving hopefully at least one scum within:

1) ActionDan
2) Oversoul

Go

6) JacobSavage
7) PeregrineV

Kdowns

11) Dramonic

And we have three lynches and my kill before we get to 5p LYLO. So unless one of them dies or can be eliminated from this pool, there will be still one of those 5 alive at 5p LYLO.

Uh, you are assuming that none of those 5 are scum

If ANY of those 5 are scum, then we won't get to lylo at 5p

[Bacde]

wait, how many mafia do we have?

how do you know it would be 5p lylo

something doesn't add up here

just use your daykill dude I'm mixing myself up here

[Bacde]

The longer you wait to daykill, the more you will stall the game

[Bacde]

no its ok guys he can daykill

he just needs some motivation

a little kind of motivation I like to call L-1

Vote: wind-up

[Bacde]

woo

[Bacde]

Ok so now you have to explain why you shot dramonic

I feel like from your list of people, you shot the most likely one to be town