Mafia 55: Yakuza - Game over!

[Twito]

Vote: TSQ

coz he is annoying.

[Twito]

Twito, just because I caught you in a trap that outed you as scum in our last game does not make me annoying, it just makes you dumb.

Just coz you think you caught me in a trap when my partner is too inactive to show up during 3 days you are waiting for final vote proves that you are stupid.
And you were voting everyone in the game including yourself would have been easiest game ever but rich was so annoying..
Actually..

Unvote

Vote: Rich

[Twito]

Why is klebian not yet dead? All not voting scum klebian at this point are highly suspicious.

I love the way you play :D
Except when you are saying that of me for no reason..

[Twito]

Sounds like a good reason to me. And yes, this is a game of paranoia.

Unvote: Vote: Twito

Doing a more careful reread of Twito's vote on Rich (rich's original omgus FOS caught my eye more readily beforehand) is enough to vote ya for voting for annoying players. That's not helpful to the game (Eon maybe as an exception mwhaha).

So, further pressure for you, sirrah, with a request:

Justify your voting for Rich_25 on the basis of annoyance (or if you somehow found a scumtell in him, do tell).

"Doing more careful reread.."
Umm.. wasn't that long post this looks like badly reasoned jump on biggest wagon around.

Vote: Bogre

[Twito]

He's out for revenge, blaming me for costing victory him last game. This alas is a new game and without hearing a proper reasoning for his vote then i'm just slightly suspicious. Thing is I'm suspicious of everyone aren't we all?

It's BIG game and random votes in the beginning won't hurt. I might aswell put my "random" vote on person who I don't want in the game. And I don't like inactive ppl.

[Twito]

Unvote, vote Shadowlurker.

That was a brilliant mistating of what I said.

I said:

In terms of BJ, his style is to post hardly any content. This is good in the sense that he's unreadable really, and bad in the sense that he's unreadable. If he's town, he's usually good to have around, because he's good at reading, but we don't know ever if he's got a read, is fucking around, is scum, or may even have a cop result. I'd say on day one it's best to just ignore him.

Lets paraphrase that for the thinking impaired (aka you):

Bj posts relatively nothing but unfounded suspicions in the early game....

THEREFORE IT IS BEST TO IGNORE HIM ON DAY ONE.

DAY ONE.

DAY. FUCKING. ONE.

There is nothing in my post that says we should ignore him indefinitely, or that is contradicted by your statement that 'he does post content in the late game'

Stop missrepresenting me in order to place a vote. What I said was in no way scummy, which is enough to make me very happy moving away from my sexy pressure vote onto a "Wow that was scummy." vote.

Wow this post is so scummy.

Ofc we shouldn't ignore BJ not even day one. From what I've seen of him today he seems rather protown. Just get used to the way he plays.

[Twito]

"The possibility of randomness, and uniform play style day one make not following him a good choice"

And you think following you is better than following him. If you are 100% sure of your vote without no possiblity of randomness directly means that you are scum. Town will never be 100% certain day1.

"We should ignore BJ because he does the same thing every day and therefore is not readable, and use our own suspicions."

Maybe to you it looks like he is doing the same thing and you are unable to read him.. well I already have a read on him which points to him obviously him being town.

For you to base a vote off of it is totally preposterous,

Then again what are you basing your votes today?
1)To rich being annoying 2)but me being better one to pressure if I remember it right.. what a great reason.. umm.. not. 3) On this guy whoever his name is being unable to read from your post what you actually didnt say and pointing out your obvious scumminess.

You trying to 'advice' newer player mostlikely in your advance is also very scummy.

Also you are actually missrepresenting this guy all the time, and more than he is of you, when you are voting him based on missrepresenting.

heh. I'm done arguing with you about this. You just proved to everyone reading this thread that I'm right.

To me it looks like you are very wrong..

FOS: TSQ

I feel like voting but I think I already hit one scum.. and we can't lynch two scum on one day so I think I have wait for tomorrow with one of you.

[Twito]

I'd say if I compare SL and twito, twito does seem to be more scummy. However, I don't like the speed of the twito wagon.

I still say it sounds more like a staged fight, or one of them is more scummy.

Klebians's statement was crap, so I haven't bothered to respond to it.

This wagon hasn't been particularly fast. It's not like we got 6 votes in 9 posts or something. Most scum are aware of the fact that people get suspicious of wagon speed so they tend to either get on really early (first 2-3 votes), or they stay off until late in the wagon, or at least until it's moving rather slowly. My initial gut feeling is that the people on twito's wagon are clean, that is they aren't more likely to be scum because they are on the wagon. there is a

legitimate case

against twito, one he is failing to address. It's only natural that protown players would see a problem with this and vote accordingly.

What is this legimate case againts me? I've yet to see it..

Twito: You think BJ is obviously protown? Explain.

It doesn't need explaining just look yourself. C'mon his BJ he is always town.

[Twito]

Still waiting for twito to explain why he finds BJ obviously protown.

scum fishing for info here

vote Illumina

Clear scum here

I think you are on right track here.

FOS: Illumina

[Twito]

I'm obviously town.

Mostlikely town: BJ

Fairly neutral: The rest

Scum: Bogre, Illumina, TSQ

[Twito]

Still waiting for twito to explain why he finds BJ obviously protown.

scum fishing for info here

vote Illumina

Clear scum here

I think you are on right track here.

FOS: Illumina

hmm so now you've put the FOS on both Illumina and TSQ whilst voting for Bogre on the back of him putting another vote on you due to a bandwagon. Very little of your argument convinces me that your a townie.

Vote Twito

Seems like shameless jump to biggest badwagon on top of bad reasoning. You play just like last time I saw you as mafia.
Time to drop another FOS. I wonder if I can catch all scum on day 1 and how many actually are correct in the end.

FOS: rich_25

[Twito]

9 to lynch? And I already have 7 votes? And it's only page 5 of big game? Uuuh..

[Twito]

Why when I'm cop I always end up forced to claim on day1?

[Twito]

Oh and if that's gone too I claimed cop with innocent investigation on BJ.

[Twito]

Still waiting for twito to explain why he finds BJ obviously protown.

Why did you make this post? I wasn't on computer and didn't post between you first asking it and this post. Looks like scum behavior.
No problem I already have you listed as scum.

Let's see..
Town: Twito
Probably town: BJ
More or less Neutral: Rest
Abit
Probably scum: Bogre, Illumina, TSQ, rich_25

I like making lists like this and especially I like them being proved to be correct in the end.
Planning on catching all scum on day one if there is time for it.

[Twito]

Still waiting for twito to explain why he finds BJ obviously protown.

Why did you make this post? I wasn't on computer and didn't post between you first asking it and this post. Looks like scum behavior.
No problem I already have you listed as scum.

Let's see..
Town: Twito
Probably town: BJ
More or less Neutral: Rest
Probably scum: Bogre, Illumina, TSQ, rich_25

I like making lists like this and especially I like them being proved to be correct in the end.
Planning on catching all scum on day one if there is time for it.

[Twito]

Whoops double post..

[Twito]

Twito, that question was asked before you claimed. If you haven't noticed, theres been some loss of data.

Why are you defending him/her?
Obviously I have noticed that there has been some loss of data. What I was pointing out it that he/she asked it and then asked it again saying "still waiting" before I was able to get to mafiascum again. Why did he/she made post saying "still waiting" and nothing else?

[Twito]

Unvote

Vote: Illumina

For scum behavior and being linked with TSQ.

[Twito]

I can not answer for you, I was merely pointing out that

a) There was a perfectly reasonable reason that this post is near the newest in the thread right now.

Why did this need pointing out? It doesn't matter if the post is new or old it doesn't affect what I said about it.

b) I find the fact that you keep OMGUS attacking anyone who mentions your name unsettling.

Cool with me but I already had FOS on Illumina for fishing information. I think the problem you have with me tracking scum is that I happen to be right when catch your scum buddies

Saying something is OMGUS and trying to make it go away that way is another scummy thing on your list.

[Twito]

I'm still here just trying to remember what was posted that we have lost. Although I remember Twito claiming unlike MOS.

And why is MOS wanted for claim..? He is not in my scummy ppl list.

[Twito]

I seriously think Twito's last few posts are scummy, because I agree with TSQ, Twito is pretty jumpy... but he claimed cop. Darn.

WHY ARE THEY SCUMMY?!
Why am I jumpy?!
Goddammit provide reasons!
..or since you don't have any just join me and vote Illumina who you should be able to see is scum.

[Twito]

I do not think the lack of a counterclaim makes him innocent for two reasons. One, this is day one. A cop is much more useful for the town not counterclaiming, and getting several innocent/scum results later on. So I think a cop playing well would not counterclaim. Also, the mechanics in this game may be to the point where there is no cop, maybe several tracker type roles and such. We don't know, so no claim of the specific cop role does not clear twito. In fact, it's just the type of claim I'd expect scum to make day one.

Lack of counterclaim doesn't make me innocent, yes you are rigth about that.

Eventually he'll be killed by scum if he's telling the truth, or he'll slip up. Either way, he will not be around much longer. (thank god.)

Read Goats mafia. I claimed cop day1 and lived all game long. Hopefully I will be around longer than you, scum.
Also hopeful of getting doc protection so I don't get killed by scum.

[Twito]

clearly Thestatusquo is scum with Illumina

Secound that.

[Twito]

Has anyone read bogres posts yet?

I believe he is on my scum list.
But you are scum too so I wonder why you are voting him?
Distancing strategy or are you from different scum groups?

[Twito]

Twito. Stop being dumb plz. I'm trying to hunt scum. You're just being a moron.

Calling me dumb and moron is not gonna help your case, scum.

[Twito]

Yes, but by you putting her that close to lynch with...

TSQ-scum why are you missrepresenting Bogre-scum?
I wouldn't say 3rd vote when it's 9 to lynch is too close to lynch. Remembering how close to lynch you put me earlier and no oen complained. It's pretty obvious you are scum with Illumina.

So TSQ is scum with Illumina and Bogre is from different scumgroup. Maybe with rich?

[Twito]

Ah, I didn't see that he was only the third vote. My reasoning however, still stands, as that was only a minor point in it.

I would like to lynch twito just because he's annoying me and not being helpful, but I still we'd best leave him for today. I say bogre is the best play for the time being.

It must be annoying for scum like you to be discovered day1.

[Twito]

Either way, you will not be living to end game.

Hopefully I will. I'm hopeful the doc will protect me from dirty scumbags like you trying to kill me and prevent my way to endgame.

I just wonder if you really are town why you want the cop, me, dead so bad. Well actually I don't need to think about that now that it seems you are scum.

You asking me to investigate you raises the danger of you being godfather.. But I'll think about your suggestion.

Anyway I agree with you about Bogre-scum. Must be member of different scum group than you.

[Twito]

Talking of doc later on might also be important who doc protected first night. Considering there was only one nightkill.

Oh yeah and I'm away for the weekend.
Maybe Illumina-scum is finally lynched by the time I get back.

[Twito]

Also, twito:

Why do you think Illumina is a better lynch than Bogrescum?

Coz you are defending Illumina so strongly.

But in the end it's pretty much the same for me which one goes today. I'm fine with anyone from my scummy ppl list. Meaning Illumina, Bogre, rich and you if I remember correctly.

Still looking for more ppl to add that list btw. We must have more than 4 scum in this game. If you are interested claim scum or gimme obvious scumtell.

[Twito]

Me is here.

[Twito]

Also, twito:

Why do you think Illumina is a better lynch than Bogrescum?

Coz you are defending Illumina so strongly.

But in the end it's pretty much the same for me which one goes today. I'm fine with anyone from my scummy ppl list. Meaning Illumina, Bogre, rich and you if I remember correctly.

Still looking for more ppl to add that list btw. We must have more than 4 scum in this game. If you are interested claim scum or gimme obvious scumtell.

1) Well, I don't think I'm defending illumina so much as I don't see the case against her. I am not of the opinion that she is definite town, and I am certainly not unwilling to ever vote for her, but I think the case against her at the moment is weak at best, and completely fabricated at worst, so it's my job, to point that out, no matter how much fire that draws to me. I want to avoid a misslynch, which you do not seem to be worried about at all.

2) I think the case against Bogre is much more damning and much stronger than the case against illumina, so I would much prefer a bogre lynch.

3) I'd like you to tell me what you have against each member of your 'list of scum' that makes you think they're scum. From what I can see, you just seem to be saying anyone who disagrees with you is obviously scum. If that's not true, prove me wrong by posting cases against all of those players.

1) I think you are.

2) I think they both seem like scum.

3) I believe that when I added them to my list I gave these reasons. Also Bogre has seemed to be trying to agree with me lately which just puts down your disagreement shit. Don't try to put my arguments down by saying they are WIFOM. Oh yeah and maybe the scum just were on my wagon since it was kinda big one. So many ppl have voted for me that it's ridicilous your trying to take the value away from my arguments by calling them WIFOM. You want me to suspect the couple rare ones who didn't vote me?

Illumina: The way he was fishing and repeating for no-reason.
Bogre: The way he entered his vote earlier on. And maybe something else can't remember and will never have time to re-read.
rich: Some solid reason that I have forgotten due to having many games and the server downtime(=time away from thinking mafiascum).
TSQ: Oh cmon it's too obvious. Only the post that I'm quoting right now where you are trying to take value from my clearly correct scumlist would be enough to add you to this list. And I added you as one of the first ones so I believe there are solid reasons that point to your scumminess.

[Twito]

Unfortunately, twito, saying "there are reasons" is not akin to having reasons. Post them , or shut up.

Find them on thread yourself and stop asking for me to do so. And shut up we don't need your opinion on things, scum.

After reading the latest posts Illumina have made I'm actually supriced that he/she is still alive.

[Twito]

Lets see. You keep repeating that entire reason for your wagon is the fact that you claimed BJ is a cop.
Then again you did that after the wagon on you had already started meaning it's very unlikely this is the only reason.
Your fishing was the first reason why your wagon began. I do agree that at this point you have trouble defending yourself but missrepresenting your wagon or my reasons to vote you are not the way to deal with this kinda situation. Those missrepresentasion only make you more scummy.

Also you are saying I'm voting evertone who suspected me. Latest votecount of my wagon available:
7 Twito (BrianMcQueso, Mastermind of Sin, ubertimmy, Otaku376, TheStatusQuo, Bogre, rich_25)
I'm suspecting 4 ppl. From which you don't seem to have been on my wagon. There were 8 ppl in my wagon(in the one I have only 7 but I didn't claim until 8). And the ppl who didn't join the wagon but still said they suspect me.
Meaning that you are absolutely wrong.

Also I believe my wagon was faster than yours and only reason I've heard for it is ppl calling me jumpy.

We have a claim from you now but my vote stands. That post was too full of BS.

[Twito]

Too bad you feel that way.. I guess my problem is that ppl just don't think the way I do.
And TSQ why don't you vote me then?

[Twito]

Two things; As to not thinking like you: Thank god. I think if I were that dumb, I would cry; I already explained my position on you. I'm willing to let your cop claim stand for now, especially when bogre is clearly scum.

Calling me dumb is not gonna help your case, scum.
It's completely stupid thing to do why are you taking these games so seriously I seriously recomment finding real life and telling ppl in front of their face if you think they are dumb. Oh yeah btw if you wanna discuss it I think you are dumb.

[Twito]

Two things; As to not thinking like you: Thank god. I think if I were that dumb, I would cry; I already explained my position on you. I'm willing to let your cop claim stand for now, especially when bogre is clearly scum.

Yes I agree with you about Bogre being scum. I said so long before your brains never came to that conclusion. But when we are 2 votes away from lynching another scum and this one of your group it's just not worth it to change to lynching Bogre just now.

[Twito]

He started it! *points a finger*

So Illumina is still alive?
Maybe s/he is dead by the time I get back on tuesday or so.

[Twito]

Guys. I have made up my mind. I do not care about Twitos role claim at all. I can not see the way he's acting this game as anything but anti town.

Unvote, vote twito

So you are claiming scum now?

[Twito]

Depends on the skills of the reader. When I compare you as a reader and claims the claims win 100 versus nothing.

[Twito]

Guys. I have made up my mind. I do not care about Twitos role claim at all. I can not see the way he's acting this game as anything but anti town.

Unvote, vote twito

voting for a claimed cop over a claimed townie on day one is pretty f'n stupid..

vig needs to take care of our "Thestatusquo" problem tonight....

Now that's more like it.

[Twito]

Why isn't Illumina scum already dead with TSQ scum and the other scums around?

[Twito]

Looks like attempt by scum to distract our perfectly good wagon on Illumina-scum. Note that neither of those were previously on Illumina wagon.
Just a made up excuse to vote Klebian. Drawing attention to doc? Coming he just said the truth. And now I'm protecting him. Muahah.

[Twito]

Twito/Klebian scumpair.

:D

[Twito]

Can I ask why are you not in that case voting neither of us and instead your sticking on the biggest wagon around.
BIIIIIIG FOS ON SCUM-BOGRE!

[Twito]

TSQ what ya think should we lynch Bogre-scum instead of Illumina scum today? And stop voting me that's just childish.

[Twito]

It's a joke, dude, because even though I did get some scum vibes from Kleb's post its not that scummy.

Your defense of your scumbuddy is noted.

Though so just checking.

[Twito]

Twito. I find the fact that you consider people voting for you either 'childish' or 'scummy' not only stupid, but also really really troublesome from the point of a pro town player. Shut the fuck up or actually defend yourself. Attacking anyone who disagrees with you does not count.

I was just joking stop being so damn serious go and and discover sun. And I will not shut up no matter how many ppl keep saying that. Trying to shut up talkative player is just completely anti-town behavior. Which is what I would expect from you, scum.

[Twito]

Defend myself? mmm... againts what? Ppl saying I'm scummy? Ok. I'm not scummy! Enough? Provide something to defend againts or just shut the hell up.

[Twito]

I've said them several times, but fine. Tonight, when I come back from class I will post every single piece of evidense from this thread which makes me feel like me read of you over rides your claim.

Cool looking forward to that.

[Twito]

As expected TSQ let me down.. tonight is all gone now I assume..

[Twito]

TSQ was writing a 15 page paper last night. Cut him some out of game slack. I have nothing to do thurday and friday, so expect to be ground into the dust around that time.

Prove it!
I wanna read that 15 page paper!
No actually I don't it's ok.

[Twito]

Just occurred to me that you are saying you don't have anything to do on FRIDAY. All you seem to have to do in your real life is your 15 page paper (for school?).
=You don't have real life?
Just an innocent guestion.

[Twito]

I assume he's alive(and so has a real life), I'm pretty sure it's an unwritten rule that computer programs and robots can not play mafia.

But but... *cries*
Are you saying I'm not allowed to play just coz I'm a computer program?

[Twito]

Wouldn't it be great if me and TSQ were scum together and this had all been a distancing strategy?
Let's try that some day shall we

[Twito]

TSQ + Twito: Just shut up will you?

Trying to shut down loud players? In attempt to get rid of all the discussion?
Obviously pro-town player could gain information even from responses to posts that don't have that much content. You are just trying to get rid of those posts.
For example from this comment of yours in response to ours leads me to get scumwibes from you.

[Twito]

Weird. I find it kinda like asskissing.

IRT Coron

I think Illumina might be aswell but Bogre.. certainly.

[Twito]

Vote: Bogre

Guilty investigation.

Been and seen quite a number of even minis with 3 cops, more than one cop in 17 players is nothing special.

[Twito]

That's it then. Had to try it since it's a game with BJ. Your bad.

[Twito]

Been away last 4 days btw. Which I told.

[Twito]

Since I forgot..

Go scum! ..umm.. TOWN!

[Twito]

*shuts up*