NY Mafia 155 - New Age Mafia II - Game Over!

[Staeg]

vote: umoms

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Platonic, mostly.

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JD, what happened to the whole "I'll try to keep the sarcasm to a minimum" thing

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HEAR HEAR

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I pretty much always have scumreads on people with nhammen's playstyle but not here.
Tierce may or may not be scum.

unvote
Vote: tierce

everything else seems largely irrelevant.

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I think umoms is town. His reaction to the wagon reads as town more than scum to me because I don't think newbscum would thumb their nose at pressure the way he did. I think we'll find scum as one of the dueling banjwagons that followed the breakdown of the umoms wagon, considering that we can find people trying to break up them both. Of the two, I find nhammen to be a likelier scum than Tierce.

unvote, vote nhammen

umoms is not a newbie

[Staeg]

So what's going on? Are we lynching rhinox, or do I actually need to read the last 3 pages?

Vigs here please

[Staeg]

I could go for it

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Yeah totally.

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Yeah totally.

This is now serious.

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However, glorky, why didn't you suggest this earlier?

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As for massclaim, I've been saying I've wanted to try one of these D1 mass claims to see if they're really beneficial, but I'm not sure this is the right game to try.

Explain.

[Staeg]

unvote
Vote: Simenon

[Staeg]

Okay, glork, I thought you'd read more into that but this is now IRRELEVANT

Who starts the massclaim?

[Staeg]

I guess that works.

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Nhammen, glork already explained why a massclaim is good in one of his 2 massclaim-posts.

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I have no idea what's wrong with quilford's post.

Why are we voting rhinox, again? His last post on-site has been 1 hour after the semi-claim post.

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Izzy, what the fuck.

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Other people that are around but not posting include Shea. Step it up.

About that... wasn't shea's last post 5 days ago?

[Staeg]

vote: umoms

[Staeg]

Ok mr. jaydodge, I will now be useful
Quilford, bbm and you are townreads
umoms needs to MC

Aaaand I have no real scumreads

[Staeg]

I am a roleblocker.

[Staeg]

Okay well, doing a series of ISOs did the following: jd and quil solidified townreads, simenon kinda-townread, red kinda-townread, nhammen kinda-scum; UT was actually scummy as fuck and singer ain't done nothing to improve it.

unvote
vote: singer

[Staeg]

also, UT is hardcore lurking - he's definitely around, just not posting

I can't decide how I feel about umoms.

and umoms i had a reason

Good for you. Want a cookie?

I think umoms is town. His reaction to the wagon reads as town more than scum to me because I don't think newbscum would thumb their nose at pressure the way he did. I think we'll find scum as one of the dueling banjwagons that followed the breakdown of the umoms wagon, considering that we can find people trying to break up them both. Of the two, I find nhammen to be a likelier scum than Tierce.

unvote, vote nhammen

The post in-between is what apparently changed his "can't decide" to "def newbtown". Oh, and gut.

[Staeg]

uggggh now tierce is probably scum, too

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That's really fuckin cheeky

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AGar, if that's the way you feel about Quilford, how do you feel about Tierce?

Tierce's fit felt legitimate - I feel like she actually was pissed off that Quag didn't read his role PM without thinking it through, whereas Quilford was just upset because scum were distinctively at a disadvantage in that situation. I've got other problems with Tierce's game so far, but I feel like her fit was alignment independent.

Wellll the problem here is pretty much exactly what JD said, she didn't do ANYTHING before said fit.

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No, tierce, that's not what I said - I'm pretty sure you know I would expect you to replace out in these circumstances. I'm saying, you were doing nothing and then some and suddenly popped out to replace out.

[Staeg]

Okay, then.

Now vote singer :3

[Staeg]

Can you explain this one? He [red] is currently one of my three big scumreads, along with singer and Tierce.

Gut.

[Staeg]

Jesus, you guys. Tierce is scum so hard. How do you not see it?

I'll be having that case you promised, thanks

[Staeg]

it [massclaim] had been established that it was a bad idea

Where was this?

[Staeg]

Singer, that's not what Glork's post says at all. He regrets the request of MC not because the idea of MC is bad (aka the idea of claiming), but the people just won't cooperate (aka execution).

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He's admitting it's bad in a LARGE game. Which it is.

But not because of the claiming - it's because of the stifling of all discussion that happened due to the claim and how long it took. So, if you're here, there's no reason not to claim (well, at least no reason that anyone has brought up).

P-edit: tierce, no, bad tierce.

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Singer, what was that last line directed at/why did you even say it?

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I'm here and I don't see nhammen's reaction as a scumtell. Currently sticking to my vote.

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Is that... it?



Doesn't phase me. I mean, it's better than "she's scum for srs guise," but I would think that you have some real-big catch.

[Staeg]

I'm here. What rhinox pointed out about singer is valid. Vote stays.

[Staeg]

Hey Stag--why is BBM town? Why Quil? Why was UT scummy?

Gut, all of his posts pretty much, singer's derp upon entering the game + UT re: umoms - in order. I already explained the last one, though.

My read on you - well, I kinda explained what I was thinking as I went. That's all there is to it.

[Staeg]

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unvote
Vote: nhammen

before anyone asks, the reasoning for the unvote is gut and the vote is sheeping

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Yeah okay

unvote
Vote: singer

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(unless OGML fucked up Normal Game guidelines--but he's a good mod, so)

I thought there's a Normal Setup Review Committee that looks for possible non-normalcies (like non-sane cops)?

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Psyche, non-sane cops can't be used in normal games.
The thing is, I didn't believe psyche's guilty until singer went "JUST IN CASE I GET A LYNCH ON THE DUDE GOING AND HE FLIPS COP, DIS BE EXCUSE OK?"

Also yeah quil was obvtown and if that was our only vigshot then woosh.

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That felt like way too long for that result to come out in a massclaimed game.

(no, your explanation does not suffice)

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That's because you chose to dilly-dally instead of claiming your result. As a claimed cop. A GUILTY RESULT.

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Nope, not taking you seriously

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No, glork, it doesn't matter if he actually has a guilty on singer, look at her reaction post.

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Oh, that - I rb'd scooby.

[Staeg]

1) The SK and mafia targeted the Cop AND the Bodyguard absorbs two shots.
2) The SK was roleblocked by Staeg.
3) The SK no-killed.
4) There is no SK.

None of these involve me blocking a scummember, but semantics and stuff.

JD... I've explained every single opinion I have on the game. I've gone through ISOs and I didn't find anything that screamed scum (aside from the UT thing). What would you have me do?

[Staeg]

I roleblocked scooby. That's what you missed.

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Then why did you vote for singer before her post that apparently confirmed here as scum to you?

That was me going along with it, having forgotten that I actually had a townread on singer at the end of yesterday.

If singer and nham are the same scumgroup, tierce seems like scum for avoiding both wagons yesterday as the day was winding down.

Nope. If anything, tierce is less likely scum for that.

mod: would a gunsmith get a guilty on a serial killer? How about a cop? How about a vig? How about a mafia godfather?

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derp

mod: would a gunsmith get a guilty on a serial killer? How about a cop? How about a vig? How about a mafia godfather?

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Because, if the two wagons at near-deadline are scum, it's not like you're going to start up a mislynch - why not go for the brownie points for bussing?

[Staeg]

I blocked tierce! And now I realized that I am, in fact, a moron.

vote: scooby

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Ohhh right, I completely forgot.

unvote
vote: Simenon

[Staeg]

Explain.

His interactions with nhammen (and to a lesser extent, singer).

[Staeg]

Vote: Staeg because the way he's acted in regards to his results are fucking weird. He claims to have roleblocked Tierce last night when acting purely from a logical standpoint she is literally the worst target he could have picked aside from Psyche/Bella. He took a good delay yesterday before claiming his target of scooby - and, based on his vote today, still suspects scooby enough to start out voting him but decided to target the semi-cleared person instead. His actions around his night actions are fucking weird.

This delay was caused by me waiting for the mod to see if my action went through (I missed the deadline by a bit and yeah). Re: blocking tierce - I forgot that she's cleared.

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The godfather to gunsmiths is a mafia doctor, by the way (since the game is normal).

Will do another series of ISOs today.

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(note that in the eventual case of a SK being in the game, town means not-mafia; I am completely incapable of finding SK-tells)
Hoopla town.
Glork null-town.
Quagmire scum (it's mainly a mix of gut and him just brickwalling any attempts to lynch scum (unsuccessfully) - D1 his read on nhammen is town-town-null-interesting-ogod its deadline better hammer). He also kinda contradicts himself - in post 807 he says that iaun caught nhammen, but beforehand he'd said that he doesn't actually believe the catch. Quagmire gunsmith claim doesn't give me any sort of vibe at all (could be done by either alignment).
Tierce null (but town due to bev town).
Rhinox null-town.
Scooby null-scum (general not having done anything followed by some more of that; also dislike his votes).
Agar very town.
Bev very town.
Red town.
Simenon null (I reviewed it and the relational tells are kinda eeeh).
BBM null-scum (the doing-nothing followed by the horrible case on rhinox). Was initially gut-town, but that feeling's faded. In case of Quag-scum, BBM-scum becomes a lot more likely.
JD town.

[Staeg]

unvote
Vote: Quagmire

I was in a hurry when I made that post, so uhh, sorry, I guess?

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I had planned to make that post all day and when I finally stopped procrastinating, something showed up which cut my time off by 30 minutes, which then led me to clicking submit because I'd already missed my own set deadline (which was yesterday) and I didn't want to procrastinate until after I'd returned from the doctor. So, which part of it is bullshit?

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Okay well, doing a series of ISOs did the following: jd and quil solidified townreads, simenon kinda-townread, red kinda-townread, nhammen kinda-scum; UT was actually scummy as fuck and singer ain't done nothing to improve it.

unvote
vote: singer

This was the post where I first compiled a list of reads after doing an ISO of every single player. I didn't list the null reads.
The reads I posted earlier today were the other time I've given actual reads. The townreads don't have any rationale behind them because they don't

need

rationale unless they're about to be lynched. The scumreads have all the rationale I have to give and it's enough. I didn't throw them together in 10 seconds, it was more like 40 minutes.

Which part of "I had to go, didn't think of the vote part" did you miss, again?

PE: izzy, no, stop.

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JD, question. Would you say that you play more by your gut or by logic?

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The thing is, what you're doing now is basically saying that I should spend way more time on this game. Doing what? Reading so deep into people's posts that my laptop's screen breaks, to have a ~0.0037% chance of finding scum through something I hadn't noticed before? To go meta every single game of all players and look for any possible patterns in their play? Well, I suppose that could work, but that would take me about 150 hours to do, so yeah no. Should I spend more time making posts along the lines of "Ok, this player who is actually scum isn't scum, here, have a better target"? Should I fly to OGML's house, sell everything I own, hire a bit of muscle and beat OGML to near-death so that he gives me daycop powers?

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unvote
Vote: scooby

@Agar: it's a combination of me finding some posts of Rhinox's townie and the case on him being 80% bullshit.

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Scooby null-scum (general not having done anything followed by some more of that; also dislike his votes).

+his latest VCA is "wham bam here's a pile of townreads and shit marked as confirmed so those guys over there are confscum"

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Anybody want to jump to Flameaxe

I could do that.

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Missed this.

Disregarding meta for the sake of hopping on the counter-wagon. K. (spoilers - admitting you're doing it doesn't make it okay)

Disregarding which meta? That of nhammen-playstyle people give me scumreads, but I wasn't getting one here? That's... not disregarding meta, it's a read that differs from my previous observations of my voting trends?

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I'll be here to hammer rhinox at deadline, too.

unvote
vote: Flameaxe