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Hey guys and gals. Page 19. Trying to catch up. Less fluff, emotional bickering, pictures and quote pyramids will help me out. Got some initial scum reads, but I'd rather actually hit D2 in my read before I post since D1 is normally kinda sketchy and 19 is only half the pages so far. Thanks.

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Notes forthcoming. Sorry for wall-o-text. I'm not even going to analyse before I post, I'll do that after cause pizza is here. Here we go!!!!

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Psyche not wanting to wallotext isn't a scumtell.

Matias constant town tells.

Pine feels like Psyche's OMGUS reaction is vote worthy? Left a 1 man wagon on

B.Doc though. 399

MollaPan is so scum. See MM 224 See Molla 344

NoSpec first vote on MollaPan,

MM votes Pine first, then Molla, but somehow MM is following Molla. Doesn't

make sense. MM seems okaay. TechnoCow reaffirms MM townread on first

post. (Mainly because I agree with him a lot.) (Post read edit, flipped town.)

NoSpec flops on Molla wagon when it heats up. Ubernigga is kinda scummy

with all the reasons he spits out in his rapid fire posts and then a weak vote,

but NoSpec is OMGUSing.

Crypto lightly defends Molla when wagon is still warm. 411

Missed why Mogri is scum. Inte and UberNigga I think leave the Molla wagon

for inferior NoSpec wagon. NoSpec is jerky but not scum IMO.

Page 19............

The worst thing I've noticed about Inte is lack of content, which I'll grant is a

scumtell but a weak one.

Problems with Cryp's list on 726: Inte, Pine, Molla (Might be paranoid, but

Crypto MollaPan scumteam would be dangerous.)

Mogri 483 is the worst thing I've noticed, but it was post wagon so Idk how I

feel about it. "I would switch my vote, but then people would vote for me."

BK 546 Defends RedFF. I have hindsight though, and at the time FF was going

down in a ball of flames so it wouldn't make sense for a scumbuddy to try and

derail.

Hickory Sauce doesn't really read as that scummy up to page 20.

Mogri gets worse after D2 starts.

Page 31..........

I <3 Kairyuu back, but kind of resent him for saying everything I'm thinking

about Mogri before my first post. We'll look like buddying now. That's okay, for

now he town reads and I never noticed much about B.Doc.

34..............

Hickory calling NoSpec obvtown is an exaggeration. Hick and Nig's back and

forth is slightly annoying to read but good for the thread, if they actually get

somewhere with it. (p35)

BK on p36 defending a N.S lynch based on unreadability is scumtastic given the

context of others pushing for his lynch.

T.Cow 883 is spot on. Hickory 884 doesn't sway me. Hick moves up the suspect

list.

BK's soft stance on Hick is noted.

Because it was getting discussed, IMO NoSpec doesn't necessarily have to be

scum to make Hick's contradiction scummy.

My read of the 915 Votecount: The NoSpec wagon is townie. The Mogri wagon

is scummy. Inte, I can understand but I have stronger feelings about others

and MollaPan is still possible scum in the back of my mind. The Hickory votes

are for good reason and both prob townies. Mogri, because he's getting

wagoned by scummy people comes off as more townie to me and I'm starting

to hope he's being set up by some MollaPan scumbuddies. Finally, where is

Psyche at? Town read but he's not voting, makes me sad.

Just a few posts down, MollaPan jumps the Mog-wagon and my paranoia

grows. Weakly says he's for the NoSpec wagon as well. I'm about to do a

damned if you do/don't thing, which isn't good, but my first impression of this

is a) NoSpec and MollaPan could be scumbuddies, Pan is trying to tip

momentum towards Mog w/o buddying too obviously. (seems too obvious for

a move for Pan) or more likely b) Pan-scum knows NoSpec will continue to look

scummy as the game goes on (and possibly they're both scum/diff team) and

he's trying to push the Mog-wagon through because heat is dying on it as the

game goes on and Mog is the only one so far that sees through Pan's townish

posting to Molla's scum posting.

38.........

Kairyuu town read is the first to accuse Techno-town, over something but not

anything damning. Then Tech flips out. Then the wagon ensues with blazing

speed. So there is definitely scum somewhere on the Tech wagon because how

could there not be, but his giant freak out muddied the water so bad it's going

to be hard to pick out the good from the bad. This sucks so bad. Tech was

being such a good townie before p39. This note is out of order but after his

self vote, any good townie should've dropped a mad hammer. Psyche's

reluctence is noted but not damning IMO.

Something kind of interesting.
7:43 Cryp leaves the Mog-wagon for NoSpec.
7:51 BK completely ignores the Tech situation and continues to tunnel Mogri

with a side note about being okay with a NoSpec lynch later. (Not voting for

Tech isn't the problem, he doesn't remark on him at all. This is the focus of

most people in the thread at the time because of massive posts.)
7:57 BK flips over to the NoSpec vote.

Now why? This seems so scummy to me, but why?? I'm confused. (980)

He admitted to being behind but MollaPan's total lack of presence in the

thread after heat on his slot died down and the Mog-wagon didn't pan out is

noted.

Hickory can't really still think NoSpec is town.

Mog's case on Pine is starting to win me over. Pine has that same problem as

Psyche over not voting for someone until someone else in the town gives him

permission. (Need sources, but they're there.)

NoSpec is intentionally lurking and BK is obviously sitting in the shadows and

following.

Inte popping in post Tech lynch and claiming ignorance seems like BS.
Inte why is Kairyuu scum?
Inte why is your logic broken and why does UberNigga have you figured out?

CAUGHT UP TO MY OWN POST YEAH!!! My avatar *is* supasexxy. And no, I still need to watch Cap'n America so I have been avoiding seeing the Avengers. Back to the game.

Kairyuu's gunna hate me but 1104 tl;dr. I got your top 4 scumspects out of the deal, that's good enough for me. Mine at this point are almost the same, different order.

I'm skimming now cause I'm anxious to post.

Inte's reasons for Kair are weak.

BK being a follower noted once again in 1125.

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Fuck I should've previewed before I posted. That was in notepad, and I had wordwrap on which is why that took up way more space than necessary. Deal with it cause it's juicy. May or may not post again tonight cause after I eat the Thunder are going to kick the everliving shit out of the Lakers and I gotta see it.

Also, I do apologize if anyone is really offended by the term "nigga", but I really doubt it and I can already tell Uber

Ninja

won't be.

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Hiraki I replaced mb53.

If anyone gets confused, Hiraki is Hickory Sauce in my notes. MM was Major Minor, who turned into TechnoCow which was TeChNoWC. I was just having fun with all that name stuff though. I'll start calling people by their real names. The word wrap thing and the weird double spacing makes my notes really hard to follow and I apologize again. Like I said, I got kind of eager to post when I finally caught up to myself in thread. You have no idea how grueling 45 pages worth of catching up was in this game. I'm amazed we're only in the first few posts of D3. I also remembered I had some notes on a scrap piece of paper that I didn't ever transfer to that file. It was all from the very beginning of the game though.

I started summarizing myself and trying to remember the context of all my note taking to build my scumlist. It's about half done.

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C- with a "Needs Improvement" written in red on it (the improvement is voting someone)

Workin' on it friend.

NoSpec didn't seem that scummy early game. I figured he just had sort of a caustic personality and was catching attention for it in a relatively quiet game. However as the game has progressed he's contributed absolutely zip and now started obviously lurking and bandwagoning. The fact that his name has come up so often and yet the wagon has never quite gone through makes me think there is some scum resistance out there. Right now, he's my top choice for the lynch today. At best, he's a distraction that's causing a rift among the other players while adding zero for the town. At worst, he's scum and his flip will give us

some

kind of info on how others have been treating him.

Vote: Nobody Special

BK/Inte are both doing similar things that make me notice them. Echoing stated opinions on players. Posting filler. BK is doing the "<X> player is scummy" posts without voting, then applying a vote later when someone else votes first or calls him on it. Pine was guilty of this as well on Mogri at one point. Of the three names I just dropped BK is the one that bothers me the most, so he takes my number 2 spot.

I'm sorting out my feelings on my wildcard no.3 spot. I'm going to go ahead and take what's probably going to be an unpopular stance right now and say I'm against the Mogri vote. That was a nice little bit of work PetaPan just laid out but I'm just not sold.

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Vote Count

8 Mogri (Pine, Hiraki, petapan, crypto, Nobody Special, Psyche, BK201, inte) LYNCH

3 Nobody Special (noraaa, UberNinja, CF Riot)
1 inte (Kairyuu)
1 Pine (Mogri)

For my own reference. Straight up though, no one on the Mog-wagon gets a pass. Every vote was scummy.

theres some SERIOUS traction to the Nobody Special wagon, and the mogri wagon doesn't impress me

forget mogri

Very next post.

you know what? i don't particularly care about mogri, and i've already found out who the next lynch is going to be

VOTE: mogri

And the next post after that.

VOTE: Psyche
cmon guys

What happened to NoSpec Inte? Where'd all this Psyche motivation come from? And the very

next

next post he switches back to NoSpec b/c Crypto voted him, and also these reasons.

inte, why psyche?

do you see this guys content? all empty promises, active lurking, etc.

sounds a lot like bk201, matias, and pine. what's the difference?

Pine rubs off as smart
how about we just lynch them all though
we have 5/13 players who have contributed near nothing
gosh this just aint fun

This is all just terrible. Inte passes BK on my scumdar.

THIS BANDWAGON
JUST LOST ALL OF ITS BREAKS
WHOOOOOOOO
GOOOOOOOOOOO

Why? What changed?

Possible. You have a very good point about the conspiracy to keep NS alive, though. No one seems to admit to thinking he's Town, but neither can any wagon on him seem to gain traction.

EXACTLY MY FUCKING POINT
WHAT THE FUCK
Pine looks slightly townier now

This is correct, but it doesn't give Pine any town points IMO because it's already been said, like several times. In fact this specific post is just Pine agreeing with what Psyche said in his effortpost. He's still voting Psyche though, and not NoSpec.

Vote: Psyche

I agree with Pine.

This. Will continue. Forever. Unless NoSpec gets lynched. This is what we call intentional lurking. It is working this game. This is why NoSpec would've been a good D3, or possibly even D2 lynch. The sooner you get people like this out of the game the better. If you wait until near endgame, the strategy is already a success. That puts them in a position to say,

"Look, I know I've been lurky, but check out all the scumtells <X> has accumulated this game. Don'tcha wanna lynch him instead?"

Where <X> = anyone who puts any content into the game for more than 2 or 3 days, because lets face it, the towniest pro-town person will still commit some scummy actions if they're active in the thread. It's inevitable. So wake up everybody. NoSpec has to go,

right fucking now

. Even if you think Psyche is scum-ish, he's posting, so you'll have more to build a case on as the game progresses. At the very least, he's said he

will

post, so if he flakes on that you have that to point to in the future. But no one in this thread needs to die as much and as soon as NoSpec.

Vote: Nobody Special.

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Why? What changed?

not sure if trying to be funny

I'm not. You voted for Psyche more or less out of the gate today. There were several posts made from a number of different users between your vote and the rally cry for the wagon. I'm just curious as to what exactly made you want to post that.

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In addition, that Mogri flip helped.

And while I'm looking stuff up, can you tell me how Mogri's flip has affected your reads today? Specifically, who looks worse and why, who looks better and why.

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Hiraki, 1310. You didn't answer my question at all. I'm not asking why you're voting Psyche, I'm asking for the reason of the "brakes fell off the wagon" post. Also, 1311 please.

I'm all for waiting on content and catch-ups before the hammer gets dropped on NoSpec. Some of those people I don't believe though. And I don't want this wagon derailed again.

I very much would like PetaPan to post regarding the Mog lynch before the day ends.

pedit: Nevermind.

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Vote: Inte

I need to reread with Mog-town/NoSpec-town mindset.

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vote UN

Blatant OMGUS. Also, cool post number.

Hikari, you're not off the hook just because we lynched someone else. Address 1324 and 1311, pretty please with sugar.

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Two things —
1. Do you reallynthink I voted for UN just because I'm distressed that he voted for me?
2. If so, why do you find this notable?

I get that UN didn't expressly write out his reason for voting you when you asked for it, so I'm sure that's what you're justifying your vote with in your head. However I feel like because UN had expressed suspicion of you earlier in the game, and because he mentioned agreeing with Pine, that his vote is not devoid of any reasons and you are smart enough to realize this. So that means either town-Psyche let his emotions outweigh his rational judgement, thus OMGUS, or scum-Psyche OMGUSed for basically the same reason with the added detail of scum are more likely to use weak reasoning to vote someone than town because town can always vote for the person they think is scummiest, while sometimes the scummiest people are other scum's teammates.

Hiraki is just straight up ignoring me. I'm tired of asking. Someone else besides me take note of this though.

My assessment of the weirdness of [Psyche] voting seemingly just because still stands, that was how I felt at the time.

Nora, do you not get this same impression from Inte, BK, and/or Pine?

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So why aren't you voting Pine instead of Uber? Or Hiraki? Or Inte?

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I'm reading but kind of waiting on non-posters because I feel like we got over-confident and speedlynched the last 3 townies, which gave all the lurkers too easy of a ride.

Inte you're being vague and ... scummy. I'm not articulating well. I've been drinking.

I feel like pro-town Matias is rolling over pretty easily. Suck it up man. You're so pro-town. Fuck these guys. Stand up for yourself.

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UNVOTE: redFF
VOTE: inte

Do better.

Matias, why?

huh why are people so flingy with their votes

anyways kids a genuine troll, at least from what i remember

The actual vote means less than what happens because of the votes
If y'all think about it, it makes sense
Say, why are you being so defensive for him?

Pedit: lol

Nobody else sees noraaa as suspicious? Did I join a game where people just don't vote their friends?

yeah. she didn't answer my question about why she was defending hiraki

@crypto people who change votes way too much bother me, you're probably going be stuck as a scumread most of the game because of it

Inte, tell me how your attitude in 1422 isn't contradictory to your attitude in the beginning of the game being against people "throwing votes around".

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[We should vote] The dudes who weren't voting [RedFF] at the time of his lynch, I mean.

Nora's vote was crucially bad and if her tone and stuff didn't constantly strike me as town I'd have her head in a box.

This is Kairyuu(B.Doc), Matias, Nora, BK, and Pine. Speaking strictly for myself, the first three on that list are giving more town vibes than anything. BK and Pine are on my possible scumlist, but that aside, what makes you think this is a good idea? You just admitted given the momentum of the wagon that it wouldn't be unreasonable for scum to bus. And we've already talked about the possibility of two scumgroups, so members of the opposite scumgroup wouldn't really have any motive to stay off the wagon. I don't really see why we should focus on this subset of the players in the game. Also, I'm not in that group. So yeah. You're not making a ton of sense right now.

bro, rather than analysis, it looks like they're attacking their character without actually placing a vote, which worries me

its different cause its thought out (even if its scummy of them)

Bro, I don't completely understand any of this. Maybe it's just me, but can you reword this statement? If anything it looks like you're saying this behavior (voteless accusations) is more thought out than rapid voting, but that's what you had the problem with. The votes being thoughtless. So how are they both scummy?

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actually would've been pretty nonsensical to use the mogri as a counter-wagon instead of just busing redff, because the redff wagon had much more momentum.

then again, bk201 put the fourth vote on mogri compared to five votes on redff.

Are you talking about this? This statement is kinda half n half. I can't really tell which you think is more likely. And I'm not rejecting anything, but you didn't say anything when you voted me so there's no way for me to know what you're latching on to. Should I assume you no longer think we should be focusing on the group you mentioned?

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Do people in this thread just think it's funny to ignore my questions, or am I missing something?

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BK201 has been prodded.

This post was made Fri May 25, 2012 12:15 am. BK's post search shows activity both immediately before and after this post was made, and also around noon forum time today he stopped in to post in 2 other games he's in, but not ours. This leads me to believe he's avoiding the thread, so I'm down with a BK vote. I also noticed Psyche has been consistently active on the site while shirking doing his reread for us, but it's mostly in mishmash games and random bs, not game activity, so it seems less scum-lurking and more Psyche being Psyche.

Matias, why just BK? There's got to be more than one scum left, so why only one scumspect?

Vote: BK

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@Psyche, I call bullshit. You're on the site all day everyday, according to your activity. You're just not trying. The only reason I didn't vote you instead of BK is he was already on my suspect list and I get bad vibes from the people that want your head.

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Wait wut? Did you really just do that?

Vote: Psyche

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Matias read the last two pages then vote Psyche right now.

Also his scumbuddies are Pine and Peta. Psychic powers ftw.

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Are you kidding? It's me. Have you not seen my overanalytical posting all game long? Of course I'll elaborate. [=

It's not so much a change of heart. I still have suspicions about the people on your wagon, which is what was keeping me wary of voting you. I also felt your play immediately after replacing in seemed fairly protown. Then as the game went on you just got kind of mehful and lazy, which lost you some townpoints in my eyes but given this game where (as of this post) 7 of the living players have fewer posts than Ythan who's only doing votecounts and prods, it didn't really put you in the spotlight of scumminess. I had to compare the lurkiness of you (Psyche) next to NoSpec, BK, Hiraki, Kairyuu, Matias and Pine, so you can see how you weren't an immediate standout.

Now more recently, we have the fact that the thread hit some weird doldrums. Inte was and is still a good vote, but I was alone on his wagon and he posted V/LA (Thursday if I remember right) so I start doing rereads, ISO's, and checking people's activity. As I've stated probably too often I have a town read of Matias so I answer his call for BK votes, with the reasoning from 1470.

(fixed the tags)

Then with the following few posts the votecount hits 3/3 between BK and Psyche, and what does Psyche do? Makes up the most contrived bullcrap reason to vote someone I have ever seen based on one post he made way back on day 2. Not only that, he doesn't even do a good job of it because he says the tell has the reliability of a coin flip. You can even see the guilt all over his little emoticon face right now. Psyche knows he screwed up. You all know he screwed up. And I know he screwed up. Case closed.

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Since you're all about the research programs now, why don't you calculate what the odds of randomly voting scum right now would be in this game so we can compare values?

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No way. How is no one else having a red flag reaction to Psyche's BK vote? He's lying, in an obvious manner. For the purpose of self-preservation. Does anyone really think Psyche actually looked through 100 different posts in past normal games to get this info? Here's another question, how did you come up with 42.5 percent out of 100 cases? Was one of the people half a scum? What about this 3 or 4 scum post? Where are those numbers coming from? Your math was wrong anyways because the denominator should be 11 not 12 but that's beside the point.

Am I really the only one bothered by this? UN why is this stupid?

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Wow Psyche. Wow. You really went and did it. I'm floored that you really put in all that effort.

I don't care. The original BK vote, in context, is IMO the single scummiest post of this game. The fact that I'm the only one reacting this way about it bothers me, but that's honestly how I feel. I note that the MD topic came after the post in this thread, and his data there still said town says flail more often than scum says flail and yet he uses this as a reason to vote BK. I've sat and thought about it, and I really cannot see any reasonable scenario in which if town hits lylo I won't want to vote for Psyche.

Honestly, BK is a great vote. In another circumstance, I would probably still be on the wagon, but I can't let this go. I doubt I will switch my vote today.

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I'm still here. And fine with my vote. Nora should put her's somewhere it matters.

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What the hell is going on in this game?

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UN quickly summarize for me why you think Psyche is blue-scum.

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Spoiler: UN: Psyche case pt 1.

And here's the case on Psyche since you're wondering. According to my vote count analysis, Psyche stayed on BBmolla for the whole fucking entirety of Day 1, and then hopped over to redFF when it seemed like a foregone conclusion that he'd be lynched.

redFF flipped scum. Rinse and repeat.

Psyche stayed off all wagons for the entirety of Day 2, never once having a vote anywhere other than the Not Voting category. At the very end of the day, he sees that the Techno lynch is a foregone conclusion yet again, and hops on with a well-timed hammer. Fantastic.

Techno flipped town. Rinse and repeat.

On day 3, Psyche was off all wagons until Mogri had 5 votes. On the wagon Psyche goes. Sixth vote and counting on Mogri. Followed swiftly by BK201 (what a surprise), and then a hammer.

Mogri also flips town. Rinse and repeat.

But this time it becomes clear that Psyche's getting a little bolder; a little more comfortable with himself. He's only the (gasp!) *fourth* vote on Nobody Special, and he's followed by CF Riot, noraaa, and Pine is the hammer there.

Congratulations, another townie.

The next day, things aren't so easy. Psyche has a couple of votes on himself, and is even the leading wagon at one point, with 3 votes on him. BK's wagon grows and surpasses his though, 5-4. It's neck and neck coming around the final turn, both galloping and foaming as their jockeys do their damnedest, but Lucky Sevens manages to eke out a nose on The Back Nine in the final stretch, and BK201 finishes just milliseconds ahead of Psyche in a stunning upset. What a photo finish ladies and gentlemen!

Surprise. BK flips scum.

But the interesting part, which I had already predicted beforehand, was that Psyche and BK are scum together. The reasons Psyche quoted for voting BK were shit, and the reasons BK quoted for voting Psyche were pretty much nonexistent.

Everything you mention here I pretty much agree with, and all point to Psyche scum. I don't believe it necessarily points to blue-scum however, given that Psyche's pattern of behavior against the two scum lynches is nearly identical to the other three town lynches.

It was pretty easy to piece the two together, given their interactions with each other throughout the game and the pattern of their voting.

This is somewhat vague and I'd like a little more detail. I still very much feel like Psyche is a lying scummy sucker (no offense Psyche), but I'm personally figuring on him being "red" and I don't see why you're betting blue. I also get waffley gut impressions that Pine may be scum as well, but his point about you flipping script on Psyche yesterday seems potentially legit.

P Edit: Pine's vote sucks. That waffle is leaning more scum right now. I agree with Nora that we should take advantage of our real time to discuss opinions and reads. Yesterday went too long with too little content, but the solution to that is not speed blasting Psyche.

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Pine and Hiraki have been holding hands on every wagon all game. I can hardly imagine I'm the only one that's noticed this. I wifom myself out of believing scum would be that obvious though.

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(going to quote that post when CF riot hammers psyche)

I liked this post.

Vote: Psyche

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For the record, I don't think Kairyuu's case on Tech was as scummy as people are trying to make it out to be. Even though Tech was a terrible lynch, I don't see Kairyuu-scum at the time when there was a Mogri/NoSpec duel for votes going on thinking, "I'll make a case on this pro-town looking dude and then wait for him to explode and be speed lynched." And I've only played a couple games with him I vaguely remember but he did post walls then too.

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I think the Def wagon is weak. I'm alright with Pine, Hiraki or UN.

pedit, ha, we don't like each other now cause we both lynched the same townie.

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Also now that Psyche flipped town Inte looks better to me because he came off Psyche at L-1 the first time and then hammered BK.

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I'll take my jeers for it since it was wrong but I wasn't ever going to see Psyche as non-scum. Once the wagons lined up the way they did and everyone put their opinions out there Psyche voting Def because it wasn't himself was enough to make me want him out of the game.

Vote: Hiraki

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UN, Hiraki or Pine but not both, Noraaa, & Peta but not really cause I'm probably wrong about Def. UN or Def being the last blue.

Nora you still think UN is town?

pedit, I'm still meh about it but Inte is less scum to me than he was earlier.

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I basically skimmed the last page but am cool voting UN and continuing to sheep to the grave because of rallying for 2 town lynches and defending defender.

Vote: UN

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Vote: Hiraki

baaaa.

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It's been less than 30 min since Ythan posted that votecount so there's a good shot.

Thunder are going to the NBA Finals btw. Woot.

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Wow. Red team is pissed right now.

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Vote: Inte

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Peta/Crypto/Matias lylo endgame, who wins?

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Injecting distrust between the three of you so I can dismantle the voting block and mislynch my way to victory road.

Not really. I just thought it'd be an interesting scenario. I'm making idle chat because this game is on cruise control right now.

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This game just got fun again.

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Nora then Pine. The other 3 of you are too close to call. I haven't suspected Matias all game but the 4/4 scum genocide seems more of a credit to Peta/Cryp than Mat.

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Crypto tell me the advantage to a Matias lynch over a Nora lynch.

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Ya I'm here too. Not much to remark on currently.

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I thought about it and I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Nora

cause I think she could come out and champion a scum lynch and I'd still suspect her the next day b/c at this point its gotta be level grounds for everyone. No scumbuddies left but both camps still in play means everyone is genuinely scumhunting now, so that's no longer town points. I can't really think of anything she could do to change my mind.

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Prod dodge.

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Here's some responses to the wall. Not quote pyramiding.

The reason I'm voting you has nothing at all to do with Pine. I'm voting you because your posting all game has a non-committal, waffley tone and the suspect list is short.

Re: Pine. For a portion of the game I thought Pine was scummy, mostly for being lurky and vague. Later I iso'd him along with some other lurkers and didn't suspect him as much by comparison, however this was not meant to imply he was a town-read. Now, I've returned to him as a suspect because of the same reasons I originally had and the short suspect list and the fact that Peta/Cryp/Mat seem townish. (More on this further down.)

The Psyche thing, I meant that I was the only one freaking the eff out over his stat post, not just that I was the only one who said it was crappy or that said he was suspicious. I thought it was the scummiest post of the game. (Open mouth, insert crow.) I don't really feel like this ties me to Inte or UN but okay.

Peta/Cryp/Mat post, probably a mistake by me. At the time I thought there was only one scum left going off the 10/3/3 assumption from earlier. I guess I just got lazy b/c I thought it was in the bag. I made this remark as an unlikely "worst case scenario" because out of the voting block those 3 seemed the most town. This is also why Pine and I weren't listed. I also have been cautiously suspicious of Peta and Cryp all game because of their playstyle so that was a factor in why I thought it'd be interesting. I feel like this explanation is unnecessarily wordy so I'm going to stop now, it was only ever supposed to be hypothetical at a point when I was bored.

My reads on everyone at the beginning of this game day don't seem in conflict with anything I've said so far.

Re: my question to Crypto, I think Nora is the better lynch and thought that was implied, however I'm not against changing my vote and do not think that would be scummy.

Set-up wifom, it seems obvious to assume both scum teams were the same size, not that one had 3 members and the other had 4 or 5. Referring back to above, I don't

want

Matias in the endgame over me, that was just a "what if". He is a townread for me but I do think he could be scum, I don't think this is unusual or scummy.

"level grounds.." is me saying based off the assumption that there is one left of each scum, every player currently alive in the game has

at least

one scum left to hunt AND only knows their own alignment. This puts the remaining mafia in a unique position where legitimately scumhunting plays to their wincon, therefore doing so logically or even successfully won't be a town-tell. This was not the case before today b/c there were alliances left between teams. So I'm not saying we should start over with fresh reads, I'm basically saying the opposite, that

nearly

all our reads will need to come from earlier in the game when scum still had a reason to behave like scum.

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Ugh, I'm going to agree with scum but the point Inte made a long time ago. Short posts, constant vote hopping. It seems to me like a way to avoid forming a solid opinion about players by diluting every post to a point where they can be written off as passing suspicion and it allows you to wagon hop without causing too many ripples. It bothered me more at the beginning of the game but after a while I just accepted it as how they play and after the triple red flip I figured it probably wasn't actually scummy it's just a style of play I don't particularly like.

If you follow my posting all game through you can see I've had lingering suspicion about Peta originating from BBMolla, but that it wanes as the game goes on and it's never really been high enough for me to vote him over other people. Like I said, playstyle bugs me and makes me suspicious, but I'm aware that he's been doing other towny things and that my suspicions may all be groundless, personal hangups.

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Good thing we dragged ass waiting on Nora to get back.

Vote: Matias

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hammer: Pine

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That's called "lynch all lurkers" Nora and I kind of believe in it too, but the NoSpec townflip kinda sapped my confidence in it early on.

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Why not? If you really believe I'm conf. town, then the rest doesn't really matter because I'm sold on you being town by now so I'll just follow your lead till game over. Honestly even if you're the last blue, I don't really care because you deserve the win.

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Pine quit posting. You're totes right but we've hammered you twice.

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Vote: Noraaa

. Let's be done.

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If you're town it's Crypto and if we do Cryp first and he's town it's you. We've been over this, if you've been reading. My towniess has been confirmed by the fact that blue was trying to string me up over RedFF D1 and Peta's confirmed cause he champed 4 straight scum lynches.

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I don't know why I'm even humoring you with answers.

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If you really believe I'm conf. town, then the rest doesn't really matter because I'm sold on you being town by now so I'll just follow your lead till game over. Honestly even if you're the last blue, I don't really care because you deserve the win.

Vote: Crypto

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I could unvote and let you or crypto vote and not hammer if you really need to clear me. Or you could just quit being a puss and end the game.

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Town. No lies. You?

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Gave you an hour to say just kidding. Guess it's not comin'. Good game.

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I meant to say it earlier but props to Ythan on the nice setup. The results speak for themselves as to balance and after the "It's now day w/e" after Inte's lynch I almost asked if you were just trolling us. That was a nice twist for me cause I had basically stopped caring about the game when all the reds started falling.

"Fuck these guys Matias, stand up for yourself. You're so protown!"

Sorry to Psyche for lynching you. Obviously your research project was legit now but at the time I just hated it for some reason.

Peta, you makes me sad. Gave me paranoia ALL GAME LONG and I still never lynched you but reading the dead thread I'm over it cause really no one suspected you. I think people calling it a superbus is wrong, I agree at the time lynching Inte was the exact right thing to do. I guess I could've written off all the red lynches but then the thing pointing towards me being cleared also happened to you so that kinda clenched it.

Again, good game to everyone. I enjoyed (most of) it.

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Yeah I guess but there's no way I was siding with Crypto. I seriously meant it when I said I didn't mind if you were the last blue cause you deserved it.