Mafia 50: The Big Five Oh - Game over!

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vote quig

for having the shortest name on the list

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I don't see any signs of scum for greyjoy for me to jump on that bandwagon. Instead, I will

unvote, vote: noober

. When noober asked the question about why there are not two kills per night, it sounded like as if he ordered a kill but did not get it.[/b]

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where has everyone been lately? It seems like its always coron, MoS, greyjoy, and glork posting. Anyways, the greyjoy wagon discussions are quite entertaining, but I do not see a response from noober yet, so I will stick with my noober vote. Reiterating from what I said earlier, I think noober asking about why there are not two kills per night is sounding like he tried to kill someone but it didn't happen because of a doctor or roleblocker.

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Where has everyone been lately? Seems like at the most there are only half of our 20 players participating. I still do not see any responses from noober after I voted for him on page 2 I think, so I see no reason to change that since now he is lurking as well.

Also it looks like armlx is having suspicions of noober, if everyone else reread those first couple of pages and look carefully, you may see what I saw as well.

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Quick Comment #1: This game has been quite slow since the furious greyjoy wagon on the first page. I have to admit I am a little bored.

Quick Comment #2: In order to make some progress, we need all the people who haven't posted for a long time like noober to join in on the action.

Quick Comment #3: Welcome back BJ!

Quick Comment #4: Maybe I am missing something from these posts, so I will reread and see if I can get a better understanding.

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since noober has disappeared in all my games as well, I'm waiting for noober to get replaced so he/she will respond. Until then, I'll stick with my noober vote.

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looks like twomz has some evidence against noober in addition to mine, let's see how noober's replacement responds.

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Nightfall I think you should read the whole thread so that you know how and why there is a wagon on you/noober right now.

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I sensed something wrong about noober right from the beginning of the game, and from what I see unfolding throughout this game and especially nightfall's recent posts and twomz's additional evidence that he claims to have, that sense is now at its strongest point. So nightfall, I do not see you survive without a claim since there are probably only a couple of votes until you reach 10. If the claim does not help, I will confirm my vote.

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I think thats 9 votes, so before anyone drops the hammer, let us hear nightfall's claim, if nightfall still refuses to claim, then the hammer can be dropped.

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Speaking of M-M where is he?

BTW, that's actually pretty accurate MBL.

@ Nightfall: I'm sorry, but that looks too much like a scum fake claim to me. You get the importance of a doc (it makes it hard for us to lynch you) and when/if you get tracked or what not, you can just say that you were vigging whoever you targetted.

I agree with Twomz here. The claim just sounds too good to be true. Especially when you claim yourself a hybrid, you can defend yourself against the real doctor and vig's counterclaims.

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I also noticed the other part of nightfall's claim a little bit back where nightfall said that noober targeted armlx night 1. That even makes the possibility of nightfall lying and being scum even more. Nightfall would just conveniently claim the "doc" part of his role to change his attempted nightkill to an attempted doc save. And plus if town wants to "test out" his vig abilities, he would just make the kill as scum or even the godfather scum.

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I guess it's twilight now. It would be quite ironic if noober/nightfall was scum and their night 1 target, armlx, survived the night and hammered noober/nightfall the next day.

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I don't see any signs of scum for greyjoy for me to jump on that bandwagon. Instead, I will

unvote, vote: noober

. When noober asked the question about why there are not two kills per night, it sounded like as if he ordered a kill but did not get it.[/b]

1 for 1 for me

Also now it seems that for some reason mafia didn't kill the first night. That could mean that their attempt was blocked by either doc/roleblocker. Remember this later on as it might be important when/if someone claims doc/roleblocker.

good point there twito

Seeing how all the scum besides SK so far were just regular goons with having family names, probably safe to say that there is only one big scum group. I also saw Bacde voting for nightfall, so the scum are using distancing tactics.

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EBWOP: Seeing how all the scum besides SK so far were just regular goons without having family names

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woah, I check back in this thread and greyjoy was already gone in a flash, I guess I need to check this thread more often. Looking at greyjoy it looks like the right lynch with all his inactivity, especially disappearing after the pressure on him was gone from early in the game. Let's see if we nailed greyjoy.

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You may have a point there about BMQ not counting the hammer vote because Max wrote lynch instead of vote. Plus BMQ has posted in threads right above and below this one, so I'll just do this for insurance:

unvote, vote: XGreyJoyX

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Another night with only 1 nightkill, I think we can be pretty sure that theres only 1 scum group left since CES is already killed. I'll do a reread then post my suspicions.

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Did a good reread, I think I found another scum in MBL. Majority of the reasons were given by Twito already, here are a few more:

1. On day one after I have been reiterating about how noober is scum, MBL keeps trying to devalue my suspicions by saying things like "I think Twomz is blowing MM's observations out of proportion" and "MM read too much into a comment by noober". And in the end noober was indeed scum, looks like classic scum defending scum buddy.

2. The similarity below set off 200 decibel alarms in my head:

If there were two small groups of scum and they got to make kills before day one, wouldn't two people have died?

I've never played in a game with a godfather... will check the wiki but for the sake of anyone else who's also ignorant:

Can a mafia godfather be detected or blocked by any time of tracking/roleblocking/etc?

first noober on day 1 asks this stupid question about scum and their kills, then MBL on day 2 doesn't know things about a godfather, one of the most common roles in mafia, when he already has like 500 or 600 posts of experience under his belt. My guts told me noober was scum when he said that, and with MBL posting this similar post along with even more evidence, no reason not to

vote: MrBuddyLee

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Mod:

I think a deadline may be in order due to the slow progress of this game

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Full of scum on twito's wagon, I'd definately support armlx though, especially since I just remembered that noober claimed to doc armlx, very possibly scum distancing.

unvote, vote: armlx

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Im back from my vacation, ill reread and post ASAP

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Sailor Jerry, I think due to TMH's shaky voting records, lack of participation, and you being 2 votes away from lynch, you should role claim.

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First,

MOD: In first post of game, Vyolynce was killed N3 and BJ was killed N4

Now MBL and SJ, I'm sorry to disappoint you that the chance Twomz being scum is

0%

since:

1. No one counterclaimed mason. I wouldn't think Twomz and viper would risk getting caught so early if they want to do mason gambitting.
2. Twomz and I built case against noober that led to the lynching of that scum. Usually scum would throw their partners under the bus when it seems too late, but Twomz and I started the case against noober.
3. Twomz claimed that Vyolynce(townie) didn't leave his house the day before Vyolynce got nightkilled. If Twomz was scum he could not have known whether or not Vyolynce was a townie or a power role.

Also, theres also almost no chance that there are two scum groups in this game. CES the SK is responsible for the tarantula kills during night 1 and 2 since all other kills were by gunshot and CES himself got killed night 2. If there are 2 scum groups, it means 2 kills were prevented night 1, 1 kill prevented night 2, 1 kill prevented night 3, and 1 kill prevented night 4. The doc/roleblocker/bulletproof would have to get insanely lucky.

Also there is no reason to mass claim right now since all the scum would probably just claim townie while the power roles are outed. Usually when players alive are in the single digits is when a mass claim is starting to be considered.

And SJ, in my mind you're probably scum trying to take down the masons without using your scum group's nightkill. If you have a protown role and refuse to claim at this stage of the game, you are just making us mislynch you and preventing us from possibly narrowing down our lynch suspects.

Vote: SJ

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@ MBL:

I've been trying to deflect lynches on people I know didn't preform a kill, but i don't wish to reveal who did what, so that I can check claims later on.

Liar. Just spill it and let's check YOUR claim.

Reiterating my point that Twomz is confirmed:

3. Twomz claimed that Vyolynce(townie) didn't leave his house the day before Vyolynce got nightkilled. If Twomz was scum he could not have known whether or not Vyolynce was a townie or a power role.

And here's a couple more that I forgot to mention in my previous post:
1. Twomz has the cleanest voting record in the game, was participant in the scum lynch and didn't vote for lynched townies.
2. tracker is the one of the hardest roles to fake

And your desperate fishing attempt is not helping your cause either,

confirm vote: SJ

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Interesting, the only non-vanilla and non-scum role that died this game was the godfather cop, so I have to agree with MBL that a doc, regular cop, and vig(especially since there we 2 kills last night) are all very likely to be still alive in this game, with a GF definately still left as well.

I'll have to get a quick clarification from the mod about something before I proceed with today.

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After confirmation from mod it looks like I won't need to reveal anything yet. Since before armlx SJ looked like our lynch, I'll go back and see if confirm whether he still is the play for today.

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MBL can you confirm Twomz's claim of you having no actions night 3?

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MBL do you have some doubt in Twomz's track result?

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Since I did target noober night 1, which led me to have suspicions on noober/nightfall all day on day 1, Twomz is even more confirmed than his already 100% confirmability. This also leads me to believe Thok being confirmed as well.

Also Thok, your arguement for an inexperienced godfather can be applies to TMH/SJ as well, so I wouldn't discount SJ as possible scum too since he keeps pushing for the lynch of confirmed masons.

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Thok, I don't think I should reveal choices now since I may be able to catch scum in lies.

I'll need to read Max's posts more in depth to see if he's a better candidate than SJ.

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Ah, so M-M's claimed roleblocker without doing so explicitly. Well, M-M, did you block me N3?

Indeed MBL, that was why I was keeping away my results to see if you were lying since I know Twomz got the right result. It is interesting that you never got the message of being roleblocked, which eliminates some possible roles for you.

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I agree with the mass claim as well. looks like we only have {Fritz, MBL, STD, Coron} left.

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*plays jeopardy music as we wait for everyone to claim*

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*plays jeopardy music as we wait for everyone to claim*

Rewind!

Alex Trebek: We're back for Final Jeopardy! Our contestants are Coron and STD. Both are forced to wager their life on a question from the category MafiaScum Mafia 50. and here it is:

This is the role you had in MafiaScum's Mafia 50.

You two have 30 seconds (equals a couple of days in RL), good luck

*plays jeopardy music as we wait for both players' responses*

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STD and coron please go so that we can get this mass claim done, thanks.

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I agree with lynching Max and then vigging SJ

However I will not disclose who I will block in order to keep the scum guessing.

vote: Max

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Thok do you believe that there are 1 or more scum left?

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I originally thought there are 2 scum left with 1 being GF, and that the scum will decide who to make their kill. So if I did't reveal who I block, the scum will play a big WIFOM game of who to do the kill and I could successfully block them like what happened night 1.

If I'm choosing who to block now, it would be fritz since tooth fairy is too easy of an claim to fake and my block would allow STD to vig SJ.

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I blocked Fritz, I'm 95% sure he is the last scum with his fake tooth fairy claim. I'd recommend lynching Fritz today and if the game doesn't end, let STD vig Coron tonight.

Also MBL who did you protect?

And tracker masons did you all get any good results that you would like to share?

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I protected STD, and that might also account for the lack of scum nightkill. I can't imagine why they didn't go after the doctor... but I'm thrilled to still be here.

I'd say you didn't die because I blocked the scum that targetted you

And I agree with Thok about the night actions for tonight if Fritz was not scum (very unlikely), so I'll block Thok.

vote fritzler

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If game isn't over when we lynch Fritz:

I block Thok
STD vigs Coron
MBL protects Twomz or STD
Twomz tracks MBL

Agreed?

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Great game everyone, way to go town!

Scum also got a raw deal getting nailed by the town RBer twice lol.