NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins

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Ethos: what makes my fluff

(I don't believe that my pointed comments towards Hiraki were fluff)

more of a sin then the half a dozen players who have contributed less?

also meta arguments are bad and you are making a whole bunch of them please stop!

Bolded: This is incredibly forced and ungeninue, if you believe we're mafia which you seem to do you would have no issue whatsoever with us putting forward arguments you consider weak.

What?

my initial thoughts on Ethos revolved around his bad reasoning on the kanye vote, and i also dont like him attaching it to town reading of para (even tho i think (thought?) para is town)

This again is forced, note the 'bad reasoning on a kayne vote' where he ignores the fact the vote is on him.

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What?

Both those arguments seem to be

a bit

of a stretch.

I've only gotten to page 14 and I'm going to be quite busy until Tuesday evening.

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Right, so 1/4 of all of this content is Ethos v. SpyreX v. Ythan, and to an understanding, i believe this to be TvTvT (gasp).

While ythan really stills reminds me of a player i used to play with who constantly try his hardest scumhunt but just didn't pull it off really well, he is also dense.

the whole argument between those 3 were me, and some other shit (oh how flattered i am) but i don't think there is really much substance to it but i believe the motive behind it is town.

Like i said, Ythan takes conclusions and doesn't take a hard look at things on the surface, while ethos (as i've seen) does, Ythan disagreed with how ethos looked at my #36, make a giant shit-storm, etc.

The reason i don't think this is SvT or SvS is that it really dragged on far too long, i don't think scum would truly waste their time in a 14 page argument trying to make an obilgatory point on a person, they would rather drop it and move onto another player or the alike, and Ethos' confidence and Ythan's boldness clash with each-other.

the middle is of course SpyreX, who tentatively feels like a wild-card to me, he didn't full blown into the fray, but he did sideline with bits, i don't think this is a factor scummy, rather then it's best not to get involved, and besides, he had points about me so it was his interest to see what would it would delve into.; he also did some other stuff i like so good for him.

This whole thing simply screams LOL DID NOT READ to me.

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do it

faggot

, i dare you.

Not acceptable.

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...he is gone though so it doesn't matter. But seriously. Not acceptable.

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Unvote

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Para, you've made a lot of unbiased posts, and not very smart moves. You're trying to cover yourself up too hard. Obvious scum is obvious. VOTE: Parabollocks

What does "unbiased posts" mean?

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Ethos seems to leap to conclusions they don't really need to be making. I don't agree with their initial logic for town reads (oversoul is town because of HA HA IDHER WAGON, parabollocks is town because he voted for Ythan (?) then switched to someone we found scummy (Kanye) with no other reason than "THIS IS MY REAL READ) at all and I think they tend to leap to conclusions. However, I can buy their claim that they make absolute statements based upon faint suspicions and that they aren't explaining their thought process to us completely, but that there is a genuine thought process going on. Furthermore, I think they have made an adequate attempt to explain the seeming inconsistencies in their logic. Though I still feel like they make a lot of statements that seem just plain wrong, their behavior just does not seem scummy to me. They do not seem to be flailing at the attacks against them, just responding in a frustrated manner to an antagonistic (yet townie town town) Ythan.

Yosarian also steps up the game quite a bit from where parabollocks left off.

I'm going to take a look at Kanye in a bit.

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Copying what someone else says. I have no idea what empking is talking about though.

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You were trying to get at something but it comes off as you haven't read the roles.

Not necessarily.

Empking is Empkinging.

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SHHH.

Also, it wasn't. I was just implying that many of Empking's actions make little sense to me.

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@Empking I am looking specifically at post #345. Hiraki starts by saying:

Like how I don't like Ethos.

But I can't say that without noting it's not like how I usually use it.

I don't think Ethos is scum. But they are annoying me. Sigh.

He then goes on to agree with various bits of Ythan's arguments/ accusations of Ethos (Ethos is having trouble keeping up, Ethos is flailing) without really substantiating why he might agree. He then says this:

Not only is this piss terrible meta-logic, which by its own nature isn't that amazing either, the game started Monday.

Today is Wednesday.

Oh Spyrex said that.

Damn.

About Ethos's claim that Maskman might be lurking s/p his meta. Which again, is parroting someone else.

Finally he closes with this:

Ethos wrote:SpyreX, you continue to miss the point. I can't make myself any clearer than this, I don't believe he's "Kinda V/LA" but I believe he had an opportunity to actually make a dent on this game and avoided doing so thus 'skeeting by'.

See those words? They're disheartening. Leme point them out to you.

Clear, believe, believe(2), I believe(omitted but there after and;3)

Yeah so that's all I'm going to say.

Unvote, Vote: Ethos

Where he's implying that Ethos's lack of certainty in their language is a sign of scummyness. My problem with this is, he opened up with "ummm I dunno I don't like ethos much buuut." Then he's built up this wonderful case based upon... what, Ethos and Ythan throwing shit at each other and Ethos's use of the word "believe?" Overall, not a stellar example of scum-hunting.


HOWEVER I have a part two coming up.

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I think Ythan is obvtown, but someone or the other on this Ethos wagon is scum. And that someone is being terribly opportunistic. IIRC, people who piled on that Ethos dealie later included Hikari, Spyrex, KoC (though he changed it to Parabollocks), and Empking. So Empking, why are you voting for Ethos now?

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Anyone really going to counter that claim Untrod? Didn't think so. Outting them does nothing for the town.

Gives the scum some nice non-vanilla targets to kill though.

Unless I'm gravely misunderstanding something, they are valuable in their mason role only in that they know the other masons though.

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vote: Empking

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Because that means that there is a high chance Ethos dropped some kind of actual mason tell early, and that Ythan saw it and responded by increasing pressure on him and trying to get him to claim. If Ythan was town and saw a mason tell, the pro-town thing to do would be to drop the whole subject and look at someone else. Whole thing really makes me wonder if Ythan is scum who wanted to out the masons early.

Ahem...#208-212.

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Because that means that there is a high chance Ethos dropped some kind of actual mason tell early, and that Ythan saw it and responded by increasing pressure on him and trying to get him to claim. If Ythan was town and saw a mason tell, the pro-town thing to do would be to drop the whole subject and look at someone else. Whole thing really makes me wonder if Ythan is scum who wanted to out the masons early.

Ahem...#208-212.

Though that was in response to Ethos's defense of Parabollocks, who is not in the claimed mason group with them.

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I'm gonna take a look at Ythan again.

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I don't agree with UT being the #1 lynch. EMPKING GO GO GO.

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I don't believe Empking.

Vote: Empking

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I don't really like KKB's pushing the yos thing, because he is townie town.

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vote: Kanye

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Why is Chair scum again?

I am going to look into that tonight.