Mafia 125: Khan's Game of Mafia (Game Over)
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Wow, all these pages already? Uhh I'll try to get around to it tonight, but my only real chance is probably 3 or 4 in the morning and I don't really have any opportunities after tonight to sleep for a few days. Working 14 hours tomorrow up through midnight, then gotta leave at 5 am the next morning to go out of state for a few days.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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I don't like nocase's first post. Stating the post restriction, but no vote or anything. Just focusing on his own role. Cyber's first reaction is probably null, but first instinct gives me bad vibes. However, the vote coming after Antihero's catch and Spy's vote worries me. Antihero's reaction makes sense as town realizing that post restrictions shouldn't exist. Spy is probably scum for laying a vote. I think townSpy would sit back and think, "wait a minute. What is this guy doing?" before just laying the vote. The possibility that I'm wrong is if Spy is voting for reactions/pressure. Slight town read on Korlash's reaction. Sera makes good points on CKD.
Nocase's next few posts kind of frustrate/annoy me. Still, Spy's attacks are pretty scummy. If DGB and Spy are both scum, we might be screwed. I disagree with most of Inhim's take on the early game. Not sure if that means Inhim is scum or if we just have differing views. Based on Post 39 by nocase, I think he made up his "restriction" and is amused because Inhim chose to follow suit. I wanna say town on nocase and scum on Inhim. I don't get Antihero's jump on Korlash at all. Korlash's reaction isn't any better though.
Dutch is definitely town.
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Gorrad - 5 - nocase, inHimshallibe, Gorrad, SpyreX, Dutch one
Gorrad is town.
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Chevre gives off "over explaining" vibes. Scummy. I hope Iam started explaining things more after page 3. When you give back to back posts about someone being scummy without saying anything about it, you start looking bad. CKD's post directed at Dutch at the top of Page 4 looks like a fluffy post with sprinkles in the shape of newbframing. Antihero started out so great, but is sliding downhill. I take back the bad vibe thing about Cyberbob because of post 96. Xalxe, however, looks worse with every post. DGB's response to Dutch's points looks like the ScumDGB we all know and love. All we need is for her to start OMGUSing her accusers and give away her buddies. (lol, she OMGUS'd Chevre a little later). Runner is town.
Dutch, I have to ask. Why was the Gorrad vote "out of date"? Did you no longer believe in your reasons for voting him? What convinced you of his innocence?
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Interesting because it goes against my reads, but Inhim's Post 123 shows a strong Cyber-Sera connection, which would make Korlash and Inhim town. Dunno what to think of Jerbs. He looks newbish, but his join date says otherwise. I just realized that DGB's play is pretty much mirroring Sly Cooper Mafia, where she replaced in as a scumbuddy of mine. Chevre is scummy too, so bussing maybe? Kats is under-the-radar-sheep-scum.
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Damn, not even 4am and I'm starting to fall asleep. I think it's the fact that I know I have a night shift followed by a morning coming up this weekend, then have to be up before 5am the next day for my New Jersey trip. Oh well. Here's my take on the first 7 pages. More as soon as possible. I see the most recent vote count and definitely would prefer to lynch Chevre over Gorrad.
That being said, you guys are lucky I'm here because I don't think DGBscum and Spyscum would be lynched otherwise.
Vote DGBKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Ok, I just got home and have a little while before I have to get ready for work. Rather than sleeping, I'm going to spend that time on mafiascum. Not sure what kind of access I'll have at the hotel Monday night (probably none), so I'd like to be caught up before then.
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Where was I. Page 8. Yes. Sera's and Antihero's "pooflinging" thing has no good points either way. Neither player looks scummy in that exchange. The first thing to catch my interest in tonight's read is something that was said by Chevre. She claims that anything out of the ordinary is scummy. As wrong as that is, the mere assumption is the least of my worries in that statement. I'm more concerned with the fact that Chevre has that belief, yet went out of her way to keep an open mind with Nocase. Lemme get the quotes, because I feel like this could turn into "No, prove that that was said" and I won't be able to find it again:
(Bold shows Chevre's belief about out of the ordinary meaning scummy, italics along with previous posts shows open mindedness about nocase)Chevre wrote:I have no idea how many games I played here, but I can't say I've kept track of how what they did at the beginning of the game relates to their faction. I don't know if that's a common practice or not, but I do not do it. However,I do know that anything that seems out-of-the-ordinary or not seeming to benefit the town is scummy.I've tried to think of how nocase's lie could be helpful, but I cannot.If you can recommend such a way that it could assist the town, then please do share. With your previous statement, you are bordering along the lines of "The scumtells at the start of games are measurably less valuable than those later on in the game." I surely hope that is not what you're intending, nor do I think you are.
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Farside, you mention that you've never seen scum do anything moronic or crazy Day 1 and get lynched. What about Xtoxm in a game YOU MODDED? For those not familiar with Futurama Mafia, Porochaz joke voted Xtoxm and called him out as SK. Xtoxm, who actually was SK, said that Prozac must have been a Scum Daytime Rolecop, claimed SK, and vowed to act as a town vig. Xtoxm was lynched as SK Day 1.
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I don't like Spy overblowing Gorrad's "Gorradscum can hang later" thing. Sure, Spy doesn't call obvscum and ask for a lynch. But the way he draws attention to it and even directs it at a player who might make something of it (DGB) is pretty bad. However, for this to be a tell against Spy, DGB would probably have to be town. But this game fits DGB's scum meta better than Cinderella's slipper fits on her foot. What a pickle we've got here.
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RedCoyote is town. Hmm. Scum team may be/include DGB/Spy/Iam/CKD. If it is, we have some serious veteran players to worry about here. Nothing specific caught my attention to realize this. I was just thinking about it while reading and figured I'd say something. 205 by Jerbs catches my attention. He comes in to say he's posting one thing "from memory" and then that he'll be back later. Looks like he skimmed quickly, not planning to post, but felt a strong urge to say the one thing to Dutch. I'm trying to determine what this means. Either way, Jerbs and Dutch are definitely not scum together because Jerbs REALLY wanted Dutch to see that post. 208 by Iam is definitely reassuring.
Why not call Spy on this? Also, in the same post, why build up all those points on Cyber, hardly mention Sera, then vote Sera?Farside wrote:cyber:post 51 welcome to my scum list. Really Gorrad votes himself and your confused? Seriously?
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Cyberbob is town (211/212). Damn, forgot Inhim when I made my possible vetscum list above. I've got my eye on werewolf after the post where he says not scumhunting much is ok as long as you don't use too many one liners or whatever he said. Then the Sera vote after that is pretty bad (also a one liner lol).
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My mind stopped working. I'm through Page 11. Gotta get in the shower in 20 minutes anyway, so I guess that was semi-productive......KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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- 8 - iamausername, Cyberbob, DrippingGoofball, SpyreX, Antihero, inHimshallibe, yabbaguy, nocaseGorrad
- 6 - Chevre,werewolf555, RedCoyote, Dutch one, Korlash, curiouskarmadogfarside22
Chevre- 2 - Seraphim,Xalxe
nocase- 2 -Gorrad, werewolf555
DrippingGoofball- 1 - Kmd4390
RedCoyote- 1 - Weatherman
Players not voting:PokerFace, curiouskarmadog
[iamausername, Cyberbob, DrippingGoofball, SpyreX, Antihero, inHimshallibe, yabbaguy, nocase] contains 8 living players and a scum gold mine
[Chevre, RedCoyote, Dutch one, Korlash, curiouskarmadog] probably has a scum or two in it too.
This is weird knowing Day 2 that we had competing wagons on town.
Vote DGBto continue where I left off Day 1.
Also, I think the Gorrad wagon is the best place to look.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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You were on the Werewolf wagon. Taking that into consideration, why do you think a higher percentage of scum were on that wagon than the Gorrad one, which went to a lynch?Korlash wrote:Personally I think Werewolf would be a better place to start. The Gorrad wagon almost definitely has scum on it but I would be willing to bet the werewolf one had more, or at least a higher percentage. Then again I'm wrong half the time and incorrect the other third.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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why would xtoxm-town come out with a pr claim so quickly, which relatively few townies really chomping at his heels?nocase wrote:why would xtoxm-scum come out with a pr claim so quickly, which relatively few townies really chomping at his heels?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Some thoughts:Kmd wrote: [iamausername, Cyberbob, DrippingGoofball, SpyreX, Antihero, inHimshallibe, yabbaguy, nocase] contains 8 living players and a scum gold mine
[Chevre, RedCoyote, Dutch one, Korlash, curiouskarmadog] probably has a scum or two in it too.
[iamausername, yabbaguy, inHimshallibe, nocase, Kmd4390, cyberbob, Dutch one, Pokerface, RedCoyote] should be scum central.Kublai Khan wrote:Chevre- 9 - iamausername, yabbaguy, inHimshallibe, nocase, Kmd4390, cyberbob, Dutch one, Pokerface, RedCoyote
Dutch one- 3 - Chevre, SpyreX, Korlash
SpyreX- 1 - Weatherman
Cyberbob- 1 - curiouskarmadog
Kmd4390- 1 - DrippingGoofball
Players not voting:Xtoxm, Antihero
Keeping [iamausername, Cyberbob, DrippingGoofball, SpyreX, Antihero, inHimshallibe, yabbaguy, nocase] in mind...
[Yabba, InHim, nocase, Cyberbob] appear in both lists.
[Kmd, Dutch, Poker, RedCoyote] voted only Chevre.
[Iam, DGB, Spy, Antihero] voted only Gorrad.
That means [Korlash, Weather] voted none.
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CKD showed up as just "mafia", so I doubt we have multiple scum groups. Three dead players N1 means we have a protown vig and with the dead SK, Xtoxm died as a result of HIS ROLE.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Xtoxm wrote:Townly
Yabbaguy<targeted him night one
Korlash<likly target for night 2?
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Dutch one
Weatherman
iam
CKD
inHim
Neutral
RedCoyote
Cyberbob
Chevre
PokerFace
nocase
Antihero
Scummy
Spyrex
DGB
The order in the town list is relevant. The order in the other lists is not.Xtoxm wrote:DGB I replaced in on Night 1 and had to make a choice based on only very limited reading,so I went for someone who I had a town lean on who I thought would not be NKed.Weatherman wrote:I do think a hider finding out innocents is much much better play than trying to get killed on scum.
That being said, if he went for scum, it was SpyreX. Last post of his:
This crumb or no crumb? It looks to me like the only possible crumb except if he used his list from iso 1Xtoxm wrote:While I don't object particularly to an inHim lynch, Spyrex would be my personal perference.
Inhim is now obvscum.DrippingGoofball wrote:Cyber 25 + 50 + 15 + 25 + 25 + 5 = 145
PF 25 + 50 + 25 = 100
InHim 25 + 15 + 25 + 25 = 90
yabba 25 + 15 + 25 = 65
Anti 25 + 15 + 25 = 65
username 15 + 25 + 25 = 65
Spy 15 + 25 + 25 = 65
Dutch one 25 + 25 + 5 = 55
RC 25 + 25 = 50
KMD 25
Weather 25
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Also, DGB, why only 15 points on the Gorrad lynch?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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You spelled "DGB is scum, so that makes it a good wagon." wrong.DrippingGoofball wrote:
KMD is scum, so that makes it a good wagon.Antihero wrote:Yeah, well I'm not the one complaining about how people won't sheep me onto a crappy wagon, scum.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Yabba, my list should be obvious:
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Inhim
I don't know what more I can do to push those cases. At this point, it seems that people either support them or they don't. Xtoxm obviously hid behind Inhim. DGB is just duplicating her scum meta. And Spy is just downright scummy.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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You guys are really going to make me spell this out.
-Xtoxm gave a town/scum list. He said ONLY TOWN order was relevant. Inhim was at the VERY BOTTOM in towniness.
-Xtoxm said he went after someone who he thought was town and wouldn't be NKd. Inhim was at the BOTTOM of his town list.
-Xtoxm later shows some support for an Inhim lynch, someone who was just on his TOWN list.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Inhim was only on the town list as a crumb. Xtoxm didn't think inhim was town. Someone check Xtoxm's ISO and see what his read on Inhim was BEFORE all of this. I don't know if I have time to do it myself, but I bet he called him scum before the list.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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-The way he followed Nocases post restriction thing
-his under-the-radar, but not quite lurking kind of play
-his reaction to Xtoxm's claim (OMG HES LYING LYCHLYNCHLYNCH)
-the fact that I still think Xtoxm targeted him (if not him, then you)KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Actually, DGB did that point thing.Kmd4390 wrote:Oh, and if someone did a real VCA TM, it would look bad on Inhim.
DrippingGoofball wrote:Cyber 25 + 50 + 15 + 25 + 25 + 5 = 145
PF 25 + 50 + 25 = 100
InHim 25 + 15 + 25 + 25 = 90
yabba 25 + 15 + 25 = 65
Anti 25 + 15 + 25 = 65
username 15 + 25 + 25 = 65
Spy 15 + 25 + 25 = 65
Dutch one 25 + 25 + 5 = 55
RC 25 + 25 = 50
KMD 25
Weather 25KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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#3 was after Xtoxm sounded like he was claiming cop, then while we were waiting for clarification, then after he clarified.
Looking through Inhim's ISO, I remembered his reaction to my vote (oh, vote, cool) on him and his "people I'd lynch" that was half the game.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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