Mafia 123 - Outdoorsmen Mafia 2 GAME OVER

[Battle Mage]

Ooh this is gonna be fun. Hi y'all!
On page 4 atm, and im thinking maybe Parama and Nhammen? I dont really understand how No-Logic-Nacho managed to escape the random bandwagon...

BM

[Battle Mage]

If Nhammen is scum, maybe DemonH is scum too. Nothing particularly to worry about till then though.
Empking probably not scum with Nacho.
Ooh, i really like Nhammen scum.
Werewolf probs town. Mastin's entrance reads SCUM. EPM's meta-openness feels oh so townie.
Lol'd at Iamausername's 142
Preferred lynch atm would be Calcifer. Roll on Page 7!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Don Johnson is cool. DH's assessment of Calcifer is horribly illogical. Interesting question for the

jurors

:

If the two heads of a hydra are co-ordinated effectively, is that a towntell or a scumtell? Calcifer not allowed to answer.

Oddly, DGB being scum is a towntell for Calcifer (and Don Johnson obviously). But only a tiddler!

The fact Mastin backed down to DH is unbelievable...particularly given DH obviously doesnt believe in his own jargon lol.
But maybe we're safer with a Parama lynch today?

Guderian might well be town. EPM struggling for reads = scum. But at least he's honest.

Continuing with page 10. Currently i'd be voting Panama. DGB sure would approve!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Parama-EPM duo works. DH maybe mafia. Actually, DH and Nhammen? hmm but a Parama lynch is so tempting.

Chkflip's replacement is probs town. Lmao at 186 by Werewolf.

Bit embarrassed that werewolf was scum, as i had him as town lol. Not the best of starts!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Omg sorry but WOO my read was right, and he was town! *victory dance*
That makes things much easier too. Calcifer is looking like a tastier lynch now. He was never convinced about werewolf-scum.
Right, lets rule out Nhammen for now because if he's town, he will be useful. I like a Parama lynch alot, but it isnt particularly informative if we're wrong.
On the other hand, if we lynch Calcifer, and

it

flips town, then we get a stake in empking's house. Can we get a pic dude? lol
EPM is looking better today.

That's me up to date. I'll do some more focussed reading next time i get access. What Haylen didnt say, was that i dont actually have guaranteed net access atm, so my activity may not be super-regular. You'll manage.

Vote: Parama

for now. I'm looking forward to thoughts on the hydra issue though!

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm so glad I can just tune you out for the rest of the game

I'll be delighted if you're participating enough for me to even notice.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Do you think i'm tunnel-visionned? I'm not sure i understand your earlier post about ignoring me in future otherwise.
And why arent you bothering with this game, ooi?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm waiting around for a DH or EPM lynch. I already made my case.

Lol i gave you the benefit of the doubt, and ISO'd you again. You have made no case on EPM. I'm inclined to leave DH for now, just because if he's town, he'd be such an obvious mislynch for scum to gun for at this point.

However, i will give you credit where credit is due. I

do

like your Nhammen case. Now, will you be a good little townie and put your vote where your convictions are?

BM

[Battle Mage]

huh. DRK. i'll have to fight the urge to vote him.

Battle Mage: today is DH or EPM. pick one.

haha No.

[Battle Mage]

huh. DRK. i'll have to fight the urge to vote him.

Battle Mage: today is DH or EPM. pick one.

haha No.

[Battle Mage]

Mastin's entrance reads SCUM.

Funny, considering I didn't even have a PM at the time. Well, obviously I did when I posted, but that post was, like, 95% written before I even knew for sure if I was going to hydra.

Haha brilliant. Now if you can just provide some proof...?

If the two heads of a hydra are co-ordinated effectively, is that a towntell or a scumtell? Calcifer not allowed to answer.

Which fallacy is this, False Dilemma? I know, you said not to answer, but what about "null"? A possibility you left off?

This is probably the best answer you could've given. Null tell wasnt offered an option because: a. i dont think it is a null tell and b. null tell is a very easy cop-out answer. If you want me to explain why i dont think it's a null tell, i'll do so later in the game, or post-game. I'm willing to accept i might be wrong, but do you see why offering the cop-out is unhelpful and unconducive to discussion? This is why i didn't want you to respond first.

The fact Mastin backed down to DH is unbelievable...particularly given DH obviously doesnt believe in his own jargon lol.

Eh? I don't understand what you're saying, here. Mind clarifying? Seriously, that made no sense to me.

You backed down to DH's crap about the heads of a hydra being in agreement. I think that you know exactly how a hydra works, and could defend your position. Instead, you inexplicably tried to appease him, when it seemed hilariously evident that he didnt have conviction in his ridiculous attack.

BM

[Battle Mage]

huh. DRK. i'll have to fight the urge to vote him.

Battle Mage: today is DH or EPM. pick one.

haha No.

If you had to pick one which would you pick?

Ooh, is that a false dilemma? lol
I don't have to pick. Therefore, i'm not going to. Maybe you can deduce a preference from my posts so far? And then maybe you can offer a topic of conversation that is of some interest?

BM

[Battle Mage]

After this comment I decided to iso Parama as well. He actually does mention EPM suspicions as sheeping of other players' EPM suspicions. And his confirm vote could also be seen as part of a case.

Lolwut? Since when did the lone phrase "confirm vote" constitute a case? The only significant criticism Parama makes of EPM, is in his first proper post, when he claims that EPM is scum because he random-voted people he knew. Ya know, like nearly half the people on site do in the RVS. Anything after that is Parama tunnelling, as far as i'm concerned.

Maybe if you disagree, you could try posting some quotes of Parama making an actual case on EPM?

(C) Parama's case against me was that I was bussing werewolf, who is Town. And you just said that you liked the case against me, after having seen werewolf's flip. So, I'd like to know what you liked about it.

Hmm, yeah im not sure on that one. Possibly at the moment i read his post about you, i forgot that Werewolf, who had claimed scum, actually flipped town. In retrospect, i'd just say your interaction with werewolf was insincere.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Why are those the only two choices?

they are not. they are who i think should be lynched today. going outside of those choices is a waste of time atm imo.

Haha, right dude.

Why is this directed specifically at Battle Mage?

because i chose to engage him.

Sorry honey, flattered as i am, you can't really propose on a first date. A bit of woo-ing wouldnt go amiss! lol

Was he expressing suspicion of someone you didn't want him to?

no. i don't care who he expresses suspicion of. i was simply pointing out that it would be more beneficial if he focused on our top two suspects for now.

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Gee darling, i appreciate the advice, but i'm not your bitch. "our top two suspects"? In case you havent noticed, they aren't MY top two suspects. And really, that's all that actually matters.

Oh, and i see Parama buggering off for...ooh, the rest of the day. How coincidental!

BM

[Battle Mage]

After this comment I decided to iso Parama as well. He actually does mention EPM suspicions as sheeping of other players' EPM suspicions. And his confirm vote could also be seen as part of a case.

Lolwut? Since when did the lone phrase "confirm vote" constitute a case? The only significant criticism Parama makes of EPM, is in his first proper post, when he claims that EPM is scum because he random-voted people he knew. Ya know, like nearly half the people on site do in the RVS. Anything after that is Parama tunnelling, as far as i'm concerned.

Maybe if you disagree, you could try posting some quotes of Parama making an actual case on EPM?

Sorry, but my point was that he made as much of a case on EPM as he did on anybody else. So, you said that he didn't have a case on EPM, but you said nothing about his suspicion of DH, who he had expressed less suspicion of. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I guess you missed this part of the post

Although, thank you for drawing attention to Parama's very light iso.

where I point out how empty his iso is.

Although, looking back at your original post, you do say something about leaving DH because he looks like an easy target, so maybe that caused you to not pay attention to that fact.

I didn't so much miss it, as consider it unrelated. I should have time for some proper analysis in the next 24 hours.

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol. imagine getting modkilled.

[Battle Mage]

I keep coming back to DGB's experiment, which seems like a way to undermine suspicion on DH. Though i guess it could go the other way, and act as a get-out clause if suspicion doesnt swing that way. One thing is for sure, DGB did not expect to get lynched that early, and was probably not too concerned about leaving clues.

I like most of what DH said on this page, but this is just awful:

because I know the information could help a lot of people out.

I'll claim now. I'm just a VT.

VT isnt the most informative claim in the world. The wording is cleverly constructed to discourage a lynch. In laymens terms, DH suggests the lynch should be about information, and that his lynch will not be informative, while seeming not too worried about dying. Would be useful to have a list of who has voted for DH/EPM at any time in the game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

early iso indicates DH is a good lynch, considering the possibility of Parama-scum. But EPM has it's perks as well- he's participated less than DH and his participation has decreased when under heat. Some of his posts just feel so town, but is the general "awed" vibe something he always gives off?

My vote will probably go to DH. Needless to say, if he flips scum, Parama next, no discussion.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wow that sucks. Go Town!

BM